BREAKING NEWS: Shots Fired At German Shopping Mall — ‘Multiple Deaths [Archive]

Sdiver

07-22-2016, 11:04

Gee, I wonder who is responsible for this? :munchin

Shots Fired At German Shopping Mall — ‘Multiple Deaths

Several gunshots are reported to have been fired at a shopping centre in Munich.

The gunshots were heard at the Olympiapark shopping centre in Munich and police have announced on twitter that anyone in the area should leave immediately.

A major police operation is currently underway as many witnesses are reporting a very large police presence in the area.

Unconfirmed reports are stating that there may be several casualties as at least one alleged witness has posted a picture of what appears to be injured victims, though there is still no word from Munich police.

The shopping mall is located in the old Olympic park which was built for the 1972 Olympics. The Munich Olympics is well known for being the site of the massacre of Israeli athletes by Palestinian gunmen.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/22/shots-fired-munich-shopping-mall/

Sdiver

07-22-2016, 11:37

Preliminary numbers are saying 1 dead and 10 injured ...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/europe/germany-munich-shooting/index.html

:mad:

Sdiver

07-22-2016, 11:55

There are now reports of a 2nd shooting at a Munich Metro station ...

BREAKING: SECOND shooting in Munich as gunman opens fire at Metro station

A SECOND shooting has unfolded in a Metro station in Munich, Germany just minutes after a gunman opened fire at a shopping centre in the Bavarian city.

An evacutation has taken place at the Marienplatz Metro station.

It is not yet known how many people have been wounded.

The second shooting follows an attack which took place earlier today at a shopping centre with over a dozen people believed dead at the scene.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/532147/Munich-shooting-Deutschland-Metro-Station

eine_frau

07-22-2016, 12:00

It is not over...
The U-Bahn is on lock down, several major S-Bahn stations are closed
Phone and Internet are slow.
Half of my team is stuck somewhere and can't get home

Old Dog New Trick

07-22-2016, 12:04

I hate to say it but,

"We told you so!"

If this turns out to be "radical Islamic terrorists" Germany will soon be tearing itself apart from within. And then it will spread like a wildfire across Europe.

The French maybe are still the worlds pacifists. Germany has a long history of crushing people in ways that have made history.

Sdiver

07-22-2016, 12:06

Just tweeted by Munich Police ...

MUNICH POLICE NOW SAY THREE SHOOTERS IN SHOPPING CENTER SHOOTING AND WE DON"T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.

They are also reporting, multiple deaths now.
.

Sdiver

07-22-2016, 12:15

From FOXNEWS:

Reports of shots being fired in Munich city Center

Sdiver

07-22-2016, 12:20

German police just tweeted:

We are suspecting terrorist are behind this.

:facepalm: :eek: :rolleyes:

eine_frau

07-22-2016, 12:21

I don't think we are surprised... The question was not if, it was when we would be a target, too.

And everybody I spoke to expects this to turn out to be a terror attack. We were just mostly lucky so far.

For now I am praying for my team to get home safe.

Sdiver

07-22-2016, 12:33

Team Sergeant

07-22-2016, 12:43

US Consulate Munich
✔ ‎@usconsmunich

We strongly advise all to shelter in place. Munich police are reporting multiple shooting incidents in the city.

11:00 AM - 22 Jul 2016

415 415 Retweets

108 108 likes

Translated that means employ your best game of hide and seek cause if you're not already in the US Consulate, you're fooked if found. (But don't worry about us here in the US Consulate, we have armed Marines to protect us. Politicians always have an armed escort :munchin)

Sdiver

07-22-2016, 12:53

Lan

07-22-2016, 12:55

Where did people get the ear protection?

Old Dog New Trick

07-22-2016, 13:05

Where did people get the ear protection?

Yeah that's really weird. At first I thought headphones like Beets or something. But then I noticed everyone wearing the same.

I wonder if this an active shooter training video and it's been picked up and run as current news.

The people in the restaurant didn't seem to be hitting the floor or running like hell.

Somethings fishy about all that.

Susa

07-22-2016, 13:06

Apparent video from INSIDE the mall ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWGQnRqu_L4

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That's a drill the Brits did awhile ago. Jesus.

eine_frau

07-22-2016, 13:06

That video is not from the mall that is on the news

scooter

07-22-2016, 13:06

Old Dog New Trick

07-22-2016, 13:09

That video is not from the mall that is on the news

Typical!!!

Hey John, run that video clip from two years ago...

P.S. You and your 'team' be safe over there. Thoughts and prayers out.

The Reaper

07-22-2016, 13:13

Gee, I wonder who is responsible for this? :munchin

Buddists?
Hindus?
Cunfucianists?
Jesuits?
Maybe 7th Day Adventists?
Neo Nazis?

It must be THE RELIGION OF PEACE again. :rolleyes:

TR

eine_frau

07-22-2016, 13:17

Thank you. They are all accounted for. A few of them including a patient are "sheltering in place" at my work. One is stuck at a big outdoor festival (that I am very glad was not the target)

Sdiver

07-22-2016, 13:24

Just been tweeted out:

ONE OF THE MUNICH ATTACKERS SHOT HIMSELF IN THE HEAD.

Trying to find confirmation ...

The Reaper

07-22-2016, 13:26

Just been tweeted out:

Trying to find confirmation ...

Should have started that way.

TR

Sdiver

07-22-2016, 13:32

Buddists?
Hindus?
Cunfucianists?
Jesuits?
Maybe 7th Day Adventists?
Neo Nazis?

It must be THE RELIGION OF PEACE again. :rolleyes:

TR

We've actually got a betting window open that it's a:

White, Christian Male, named Steve, who is also an NRA member.

So far, we've got a line around the block and all of those betting have Bernie, Hillary, and or Obama shirts/hats/buttons on.

Divemaster

07-22-2016, 13:34

This sucks. I love München. I'm glad they didn't hit during Oktoberfest.

Divemaster

07-22-2016, 14:18

Don't be surprised if three shooters turn out to be one.

PSM

07-22-2016, 14:21

Today is the 5th anniversary of the Norway attacks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks). This might be an anti-immigrant strike.

Pat

Old Dog New Trick

07-22-2016, 14:25

Don't be surprised if three shooters turn out to be one.

Not familiar with the area. What's the distance between them places?

It will mark another turn since Brussels and Paris for multiple location attacks.

The police and counter-terrorism police/military had better start having a plan soon. A plan that begins with: if A happens here what are B-Z that are most likely?

Divemaster

07-22-2016, 14:38

Not familiar with the area. What's the distance between them places?

It will mark another turn since Brussels and Paris for multiple location attacks.

The police and counter-terrorism police/military had better start having a plan soon. A plan that begins with: if A happens here what are B-Z that are most likely?

The mall and the parking garage are directly across the street from the McDonalds.

bblhead672

07-22-2016, 15:00

"Germany’s elite unit GSG9 has flown in to Munich. Members – armed and masked but dressed otherwise unassumingly in T-shirts, trainers and shorts"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/22/munich-shooting-police-evacuate-shopping-centre-live

Divemaster

07-22-2016, 15:07

Munich police are tweeting about a suicide related to the earlier shooting. While they haven't said it's the shooter, it seems to be leaning that way.

https://twitter.com/PolizeiMuenchen?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5E serp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

tonyz

07-22-2016, 15:35

Thank you. They are all accounted for. A few of them including a patient are "sheltering in place" at my work. One is stuck at a big outdoor festival (that I am very glad was not the target)

Glad you and your team are safe.

We made contact with family and friends and they are safe at the moment.

We too love Munich - wife was just there this past May - beautiful part of the world.

Stay safe !

eine_frau

07-22-2016, 15:46

Thank you, I have not heard any sirens in the past 15 minutes, things are finally calming down.
I hope the ninth dead person is the shooter. By now every few minutes the story changes.

scooter

07-22-2016, 17:15

Thank you, I have not heard any sirens in the past 15 minutes, things are finally calming down.
I hope the ninth dead person is the shooter. By now every few minutes the story changes.

I've heard a number of conflicting reports, from the shooter yelling "Allah Akbar" to "fuck the foreigners". Probably Islamic related, but as has already been said could be an anti-migrant attack too. Both would make sense at this point. With reports so conflicting it will be a little while before the story solidifies.

Divemaster

07-22-2016, 17:18

At the top of the next hour (0200 Germany, 1700 East Coast) the Munich police will be holding a press conference. They also just tweeted that public transport will reopen.

Bleed Green

07-22-2016, 17:26

Divemaster

07-22-2016, 17:30

The silver lining, or glass half full view, is that there were probably a few hundred people sheltering in place at the Hofbräuhaus.

Divemaster

07-22-2016, 17:36

Latest news from Munich police: The shooter has killed himself and the police believe he acted alone.

http://bit.ly/29UvroZ

Bleed Green

07-22-2016, 17:37

The silver lining, or glass half full view, is that there were probably a few hundred people sheltering in place at the Hofbräuhaus.

Hopefully all safe and enjoying the pretzels that are as big as your head followed by a healthy helping of pigs knuckles. :D:D:D

Divemaster

07-22-2016, 17:47

Hopefully all safe and enjoying the pretzels that are as big as your head followed by a healthy helping of pigs knuckles. :D:D:D

On my first trip there I took this photo of a local tucking into a pig knuckle, or Schweinshaxn at the Hofbräuhaus. I've found a place in Seattle where they serve it.

Divemaster

07-22-2016, 18:23

Munich police president describes the shooter as an 18-year-old "Iranian from Munich".

Sdiver

07-22-2016, 18:25

That's a drill the Brits did awhile ago. Jesus.

Jesus,

Thanks for the correction.

Buddha

tonyz

07-22-2016, 18:58

A 17-year-old Afghan armed with a knife and an axe last week...an Iranian connection this week...Munich, Nice, Paris, Boston, Orlando, San Bernadino, and many, many other places...trains, planes, and automobiles...rapes, murders, mass murders...damn...there must be some common element...what could it be?

Bleed Green

07-22-2016, 21:39

Thanks for that picture DM. My wife was just in Seattle last week for a wedding and the next time we go I will be hitting you up for the name of that restaurant. Until then there are 2 of our trip last month to Munich. I would have included the 62 Vette that we walked past on the way there, but with 22K on the odometer I am still too shocked to look at those pics.

frostfire

07-23-2016, 03:59

Link with video of initial shooter ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn02ex0C-N4

He brazenly stands there and fires his weapon because he knows NO ONE will fight back because the German citizens have been unarmed by their government.
.

good heavens, his aim and handling suck....which is a good thing.
He won't last 2 minutes in Fatalville. Heck, "certain groups" would take him out with bare hands. There was a precedence.

eine_frau

07-23-2016, 06:11

I just got done watching the latest news conference

I think they have most of the talking points here:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/22/munich-shooting-police-evacuate-shopping-centre-live

I rarely have something relevant to contribute to this board, but last night was very close and personal to me.
So maybe I try to share what I feel I have learned after one sleepless night.

Rumors were flying and I heard conflicting reports on how many shooters were involved, where shootings were taking place, what the motivation was, ...
I am happy I resisted the temptation to post here or anywhere.
The police said they had 4,310 emergency calls. Many of them from people sharing information they only recieved through social media. It largely contributed to the confusion.

I realized that Munich police were doing a great job sharing reliable information as it came in. In the future (Because unfortunately I think there will be more of this) I will stay away from unreliable sources.

I am proud of my city, people were sticking together, helping strangers, made room for police and emergency responders.

I have the highest regard for our police. They did a great job.

I am sure there will be voices criticizing the huge police response, but I personally am happy to know the city is capable and willing to react that way.

It doesn't make a difference to me that there seems not connection to ISIS. I personally don't fell safe from terror, and I am sure wether we call it AMOK or TERRORISM doesn't make a difference to the victims or their families. Running around murdering as many people as possible for whatever reason with whatever means available seems to be the thing to do these days.

Of course I wonder what I would have done had I been there. And I was going to be there, at that mall at that time, had promised my son to take him there and we luckily got held up by our puppy...
I have read countless referrals to people being sheeple on this board. Always gritting my teath a bit because I was afraid I fall into that category. Now I KNOW I do.
I can't see myself doing anything other than run and try to protect my son. What is the right thing to do? Run? Hide? Play dead? How do any of these with an upset, autistic teenager?

I also learned how many people all over the world care about us and am very thankful.
Thank you to everybody on professionalsoldiers.com who thought of us and wished us well. You are strangers from a different continent thank you for caring.

Sorry for the long rant. I seem to have a lot to get off my chest...

My thoughts are with the victims and their families and friends, I hope the injured recover quickly and completely

Old Dog New Trick

07-23-2016, 09:01

eine_frau,

What you do is the best thing possible to survive. That may be different for different folks and the totality of the immediate situation.

In your case and with your son you put distance between you and the problem. It's very hard to hit a laterally moving target. If unseen, remain unseen.

Glad to hear you are okay.

eine_frau

07-23-2016, 11:06

Divemaster

07-23-2016, 12:42

Eine_Frau,

I, for one, value your contributions to this board. Your post earlier today was particularly poignant as it came from the heart. It is not easy to watch violence come to an otherwise peaceful and beautiful city, and it is natural to wonder what you would do when confronted by the wolf. More on why I say “wolf” shortly.

We are all very relieved that you were not there, and isn’t it ironic that something as simple as a puppy might have made the difference? What would you have done if you were there? You would have done everything in your power to protect your son. In this type of situation that might amount little more than seeing yourselves through the nearest exit. Fortunately, it did not come to that. Nor did you need to discover the lengths a cornered mother will go to protect her child. This is where the average person learns they, too, have a bit of the sheepdog in them.

You referenced “sheeple” in your post. If you’ve read enough here on PS.com you probably realized many of us here subscribe to the analogy that there are three types of people: sheep, sheepdogs, and wolves. I won’t go into great detail describing each since the original source did it better than I ever could: On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs (http://mwkworks.com/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html)

In a nutshell, sheep are the average citizens, sheepdogs are the protectors—military, police, first responders, and wolves are the bad guys from petty criminals to terrorists. The Munich police, the Bundespolizei, GSG-9, and paramedics are all sheepdogs and behaved as such. The shooter was obviously the wolf. Everyone else simply going about their business when the shooting started were the sheep.

If you read LTC Grossman’s article, you’ll see there is nothing wrong with being a sheep. Where we on this board, sheepdogs, take issue is when the sheep, vastly outnumbering the lone wolf, meekly await their turn to be slaughtered. We’ve seen it here in our own country. A killer comes into a college classroom (Oregon, 02 OCT 2015 (http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/01/us/oregon-college-shooting/)) and those inside curl up on the floor and wait to die. To us, this is madness. Even the sheep must find the sheepdog inside at a moment like this and overwhelm the wolf.

You will see the QPs on this site talk about things like Situational Awareness and being “switched on”. These are concepts we live by and we want more people to do so as well. This is a necessary first step in becoming less sheep-like.

We understand that evil exists and bad things happen to good people. When the wolf comes, I just think more good people should take an active role in deciding the outcome.

eine_frau

07-23-2016, 13:39

Thank you Divemaster for taking the time to write the above post.

I have met my inner "momma bear". I am glad you wrote that.

I was introduced to the concept of "situational awareness" years ago on this forum
-somewhere around the time I moved from a teeny, tiny farm village to Munich. I realized then, how careless I went about my days. I am glad I read about it, because nobody here in Germany seems to advise anybody to be "switched on".

I know I changed, the way I look at people changed. But I miss the naïve careless old me, sometimes. Things are heading in a bad direction.

Unfortunately it seems that yesterday's victims were just at the wrong place at the wrong time.

And you can do everything right and still end up dead.

Joker

07-23-2016, 13:51

if that momma bear encounters the wolf, take that knife out and slice his throat.

In a pinch remember GET.
Groin
Eyes
Throat

echoes

07-23-2016, 14:25

:)

I rarely have something relevant to contribute to this board, but last night was very close and personal to me.

I have read countless referrals to people being sheeple on this board. Always gritting my teath a bit because I was afraid I fall into that category. Now I KNOW I do.
I can't see myself doing anything other than run and try to protect my son. What is the right thing to do? Run? Hide? Play dead?

Eine frau,

Just wanted to say welcome to PS.com, and glad you are safe! What a horrible tragedy, and thoughts and prayers out to all those affected.

For me personally, I have read countless, and I do mean countless posts and threads from QP's about what to do in life threatening situations, and it has changed my life and way of thinking. That is really the only way I can put it...thank God for these Men, and their willingness to share this information to us.

My little tiny advice is keep reading as much as you can, and the search button helps tremendously! :-)

Be safe, and take care!

Holly

Old Dog New Trick

07-23-2016, 16:14

I have a bit more time now...

Here's what not to do-

-Don't lay down and wait to be killed (that also means playing dead) when you had an opportunity to use your feet to escape.

-Don't run yourself into a corner or hide in a place with no exit. (Public bathrooms come to mind)

-Don't ever let your mind be overwhelmed by the event. Remember how you arrived, where you are in relation to exits and cover (something solid enough to protect you.) Always observe "EXIT" signs when in a public space whether familiar to you or a strange new place. Always develop a new plan once the old plan becomes invalid. (This is a constantly evolving process it never ends until you are safely away from there and back home.)

-Don't assume anything! (Unless you are at a party with balloons or the Fourth of July, Bastille Day, Tag der Deutschen Einheit (Reunification Day) or a Chinese New Year...those pop pop popping sounds most likely are not fireworks.

-Don't neglect to listen to your gut instincts. Fight or Flight will be the first two after a brief moment of stun. Cower in place, fall to the fetal position, hide under a desk with four metal legs or behind a potted plant are all conscious decisions. Avoid making them. You either get to flee the immediate area or fight the attacker!

I could probably go on and on but if remember this much you are unlikely to be a victim of random violence.

One last only because it's relevant- if someone is trying to run you down with a speeding car or truck- Don't run down the road in front of them. Face the threat, perhaps even running at the threat and watch the vehicles motion and likely path then move left or right of the path it physically can't be. You are faster on your feet than moving the mass of a vehicle off its line. Then it's past you!

This is a mindset. "I will not surrender my mind to fear. I will survive. I will win!"

Sohei

07-23-2016, 16:26

Fight or Flight will be the first two after a brief moment of stun...all conscious decisions. Avoid making them. You either get to flee the immediate area or fight the attacker!

This is a mindset. "I will not surrender my mind to fear. I will survive. I will win!"

All of your post was great information. But, these two are the main ones I use when asked about active shooter scenarios.

Practice, practice, practice. I tell them that even though they may not have the physical locations to routinely use for training...they can come up with enough mental scenarios to train their minds and get them use to options for those types of situations.

Unfortunately, "flight" is the option that generally pops up first for most people in the work-a-day-world. They have to get their mind past the panic mode and go into survival mode.

Old Dog New Trick

07-23-2016, 16:47

Yep, we don't get to flee. Our first instinct is to take the fight to the threat and develop our plan heading towards the danger.

What kind of person knowingly charges into a death battle whether equipped with all the latest weapons, protection, and communications or none of that but his (or her) desire to win the fight even at the risk of losing his/her life in the process?

What do you call that person?

Hero!

Salute to all those in a uniform or no uniform at all who do that, have done that, or someday will do that. For love of humanity; complete strangers and all!

RIP to the victims of senseless violence.

Bleed Green

07-23-2016, 17:02

Your post truly resonated with quite a few people Eine Frau. I always believed that every person had the potential to be a sheep dog when it was the Momma or Papa bear involved and truly there is not a thing wrong with keeping your SA up and when things go sideways, making like a hockey player and getting the puck out when you are protecting your kids. It is just what we do as parents as a good Momma and Papa know when to fight and when to run with kids in tow.

It truly sucks that we as a people have lost our innocence due to those who have an agenda of evil that they force upon those that have never harmed them. When you said that you were proud of your city it made me smile as I was proud of it and it's people for in the dark moments that this person forced upon you guys, you all showed what makes Munich so magnificent. It's citizens. I will be eternally grateful for those I met there last month and look forward to meeting more of them when we go back in 2 years.

For the record my wife thought me a bit crazy for always wearing my riggers belt, carrying my IFAK and tourniquet through Europe and don't get me started about the nature of the pocket knife I carried as I am not sure that the statute of limitations will expire by the time we return. Needless to say this is exactly why I did carry them every where we went because you never know what evil lurks around the corner.

The only thing that I can add about active shooters is to always listen before running. Particularly wait for a lull in the gun shots as no matter what type of gun is used, they all need to be reloaded and that lull can be what makes the difference in your escape.

Take care and know that you and the people of your city are in our thoughts and prayers as you come to terms with the aftermath of this cowards acts.

PSM

07-23-2016, 18:18

those pop pop popping sounds most likely are not fireworks.

And they are not "backfire". I've not heard a car backfire in over 30 years. I hear that over and over on news reports.

I'd add, if you are in a restaurant when something goes down, grab knives, forks, even stemware to take with you as weapons (if you are not already carrying - hell, even if you are, you may get hungry later :D).

Pat

nousdefions

07-23-2016, 21:56

Pro Tip:

"Allahu' Akbar" roughly translates to "Gentlemen, Watch your lanes".

eine_frau

07-23-2016, 23:48

Bleed Green

07-24-2016, 06:47

I went to the OEZ last night to check up on friends who live on top of the mall. Some people there insist they saw another shooter. So we spent most of the night discussing how witness reports differ, how crowds react. (FWIW I think the official narrative is quite plausible.)
It was weird to be there. And all described being on an emotional roller coaster.

The "what would I have done" question was asked a lot. That makes me feel grateful that people here are taking the time to share their wisdom.Thank you to all of you.

Let me put my Peer Support hat on for this part. It is not uncommon for people who are this close to these situations to suffer from anxiety, fear and worst case scenario PTSD. Most people that you are close to that were on site or near by just need to talk about it to get it out and help them get through the side effects. The best thing that you can do is what is called active listening. Let them talk and make sure that your body language is open to them and for the most part just listen. Open body language is sitting face to face if it is just one person or turning to face each speaker in a group, leaning towards them slightly in your chair and letting them direct where the conversation goes. You may be asked for answers, but any answers you give them will not be their answer so we generally let them find their own answer and believe me most people will find their answer and have total buy in upon its discovery. This, I found out in later life, is the reason why my mom and dad always told me God gave me two ears and one mouth so I could listen twice as much as I speak.

If they are still suffering noticeable effects weeks and months afterwards you may want to mention professional help and get a feel for how they are inclined towards that. In my experience a good clinician can be worth their weight in platinum at this point. If you notice any signs of PTSD don't be afraid of all the bad things that you have heard about it, particularly with the incidents that we have had here in Baton Rogue and Dallas. There is a therapy called Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) that has been around since the 90s. I recently attended some training where the clinician that provided the class has dedicated the majority of her practice to first responders, fire fighters, LEOs and both active duty and retired veterans. I was very impressed by the work that she has done and it has moved me to create a class for national implementation within CBP that utilizes EMDR to assist employees transition from active duty with CBP to retirement as we have a staggering amount of employees that die within the first 2 years of retirement. That says a lot about seeing the success that she has seen using this technique and in most cases it involves no more than a couple of sessions. You can Google #suckitptsd for more information on this and Tania's practice.

We will be keeping you and yours in our thoughts and prayers and if there is anything that I can do from this side of the pond never hesitate to reach out.

eine_frau

07-24-2016, 08:17

Let me put my Peer Support hat on for this part. It is not uncommon for people who are this close to these situations to suffer from anxiety, fear and worst case scenario PTSD. Most people that you are close to that were on site or near by just need to talk about it to get it out and help them get through the side effects. The best thing that you can do is what is called active listening. Let them talk and make sure that your body language is open to them and for the most part just listen. Open body language is sitting face to face if it is just one person or turning to face each speaker in a group, leaning towards them slightly in your chair and letting them direct where the conversation goes. You may be asked for answers, but any answers you give them will not be their answer so we generally let them find their own answer and believe me most people will find their answer and have total buy in upon its discovery. This, I found out in later life, is the reason why my mom and dad always told me God gave me two ears and one mouth so I could listen twice as much as I speak.

If they are still suffering noticeable effects weeks and months afterwards you may want to mention professional help and get a feel for how they are inclined towards that. In my experience a good clinician can be worth their weight in platinum at this point. If you notice any signs of PTSD don't be afraid of all the bad things that you have heard about it, particularly with the incidents that we have had here in Baton Rogue and Dallas. There is a therapy called Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) that has been around since the 90s. I recently attended some training where the clinician that provided the class has dedicated the majority of her practice to first responders, fire fighters, LEOs and both active duty and retired veterans. I was very impressed by the work that she has done and it has moved me to create a class for national implementation within CBP that utilizes EMDR to assist employees transition from active duty with CBP to retirement as we have a staggering amount of employees that die within the first 2 years of retirement. That says a lot about seeing the success that she has seen using this technique and in most cases it involves no more than a couple of sessions. You can Google #suckitptsd for more information on this and Tania's practice.

We will be keeping you and yours in our thoughts and prayers and if there is anything that I can do from this side of the pond never hesitate to reach out.

Great information, thank you.
I am familiar with active listening and EMDR.
EMDR I have seen used to help medical personnel with great success.

PTSD in the German civilian world does not carry all the negative connotations it may carry for you. So I think the topic is approached with much less bias here.

Fortunately Munich has a great crisis intervention team (KIT München)
They are well connected and know who to refer to whenever appropriate. Their goal is to get help to people immediately and prevent PTSD from developing. They were at the scene the whole time. EMTs and police call them routinely, also to help first responders and law enforcement cope. I know some of their instructors personally and had very helpful training by them.

I think my friends will be fine, but I will make sure they have the information to pass on to their neighbors.

Team Sergeant

07-24-2016, 14:00

Pro Tip:

"Allahu' Akbar" roughly translates to "Gentlemen, Watch your lanes".

Exactly........

Can't yell "FIRE" in a crowded movie theater, you should also not be allowed to yell, "ALLAHU AKBAR" in any public place.

But if and when they do I'll respond by "watching my lanes" looking for Snackbars...........:munchin

Divemaster

07-24-2016, 15:21

Just when you think this thread might be running its course, this:

http://news.sky.com/story/friend-of-munich-gunman-arrested-over-attack-10511723

21:51, UK, Sunday 24 July 2016

A 16-year-old friend of the gunman who killed nine people in Munich on Friday has been arrested by police.

Investigators say the Afghan teenager is suspected of knowing about David Ali Sonboly's planned attack and failing to report it.

Munich Police added that the arrested youth may have played a role in a Facebook post which invited people to a meeting place in the city centre.

The nine people who died, most of them teenagers, were not classmates of the 18-year-old attacker.

Earlier, detectives confirmed Sonboly had bought the gun used in his rampage on the dark web, and had been plotting the shooting for more than a year.

Thirty-five people were injured in the shooting spree, with 10 severely injured and three in a critical condition.

Police have described Sonboly as a deranged Iranian-German who was fixated with mass killings but not inspired by Islamist militancy.

In the run-up to his attack, he had visited the site of a school shooting in Winnenden to take photographs, and he was also an avid player of first-person shoot-em-up video games.