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Details are sketchy ... but it bares watching.
:munchin
Turkey's Military Trying To Overthrow Government in Coup
Turkey's prime minister says a group within Turkey's military has engaged in what appeared to be an attempted coup
July 15, 2016, at 4:11 p.m.
ANKARA, Turkey (AP) — Turkey's prime minister says a group within Turkey's military has engaged in what appeared to be an attempted coup.
Binali Yildirim told NTV television: "it is correct that there was an attempt."
Yildirim didn't provide details, but said Turkey would never allow any "initiative that would interrupt democracy."
Earlier, military jets were heard flying over the capital, Ankara.
Media reports said ambulances were seen in front of the Turkey's military headquarters.
http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2016-07-15/turkish-military-in-attempted-coup-prime-minister-says
From another source ...
Military Attempts Coup in Turkey, Prime Minister Says
ISTANBUL — The prime minister of Turkey said on Friday night that factions of the military had attempted a coup.
“Some people illegally undertook an illegal action outside of the chain of command,” Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said in comments broadcast on NTV, a private television channel. “The government elected by the people remains in charge. This government will only go when the people say so.”
Military forces shut two bridges over the Bosporus in Istanbul, and fighter jets were seen flying over Istanbul and Ankara, the capital.
Mr. Yildirim said security forces had been called in to “do what is necessary,” according to Reuters.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/16/world/europe/military-attempts-coup-in-turkey-prime-minister-says.html
... and from FOX news ...
Attempted military coup appears underway in Turkey
A military coup appeared to be underway in Turkey Friday evening as gunshots were reported in the capital, Ankara, and soldiers closed off two key bridges in Istanbul.
Reuters, citing a witness, reported that military jets and helicopters were seen flying overhead in both Ankara and Istanbul.
Turkey's prime minister, Binali Yildirim, said that a "coup attempt" by factions within the military was in progress and vowed that the country's security forces would "uphold democracy."
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A military coup appeared to be underway in Turkey Friday evening as gunshots were reported in the capital, Ankara, and soldiers closed off two key bridges in Istanbul.
Reuters, citing a witness, reported that military jets and helicopters were seen flying overhead in both Ankara and Istanbul.
Turkey's prime minister, Binali Yildirim, said that a "coup attempt" by factions within the military was in progress and vowed that the country's security forces would "uphold democracy."
Ahmet Yayla of the International Center for the Study of Violent Extremism posted an image on Twitter of military vehicles on the streets of Ankara.
There were no immediate reports of any casualties and there was no official statement from the Turkish government.
Meanwhile, private broadcaster NTV reported that both bridges across the Bosphorus strait, which separates Europe and Asia, had been closed to traffic.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/07/15/attempted-military-coup-appears-underway-in-turkey.html
Old Dog New Trick
07-15-2016, 14:42
:munchin
May you live in interesting times.
Divemaster
07-15-2016, 14:51
No big deal. It isn't like this is a NATO country.
*** UPDATE ***
Military says it has full control of country ... that the coup was successful.
found here ---> http://www.youngcons.com/reports-indicate-that-turkish-military-has-successfully-taken-over-the-government-in-coup/
Badger52
07-15-2016, 15:22
Reichskanzler Merkel must be beside herself.
Edit: By the way, where's Billy... ?
Divemaster
07-15-2016, 17:23
*** UPDATE ***
Military says it has full control of country ... that the coup was successful.
found here ---> http://www.youngcons.com/reports-indicate-that-turkish-military-has-successfully-taken-over-the-government-in-coup/
They most definitely do not have control of the streets at the moment.
***UPDATE***
Turkish President Is Reportedly Seeking Asylum In Germany
Tweets found here ---> http://www.youngcons.com/turkish-president-is-reportedly-seeking-asylum-in-germany/
Divemaster
07-15-2016, 17:27
CNN-Turkey is reporting that a Turkish F-16 has shot down a Turkish helicopter.
Turkish military is saying they are fulfilling their constitutional obligation to keep Islam out of the government.
Divemaster
07-15-2016, 17:32
Americans in Turkey, your embassy is there for you.
Emergency Message for U.S. Citizens: Turkish Uprising
July 15, 2016
U.S. Embassy Ankara informs U.S. citizens that shots fired and explosions have been heard in Ankara and both bridges in Istanbul, the Bosphorous and Fatih Sultan Mehmet, are now closed. Martial law and a curfew have been imposed in Turkey. All flights at Ataturk Istanbul Airport have been suspended.
We urge U.S. citizens to contact family and friends to let them know you are safe. We have seen reports that social media is blocked, but you can contact friends and family by email, telephone, or SMS. We encourage U.S. citizens to shelter in place and do not go the U.S. Embassy or Consulates at this time. Monitor local press for updates, avoid areas of conflict, and exercise caution if you are in the vicinity of any military or security forces.
Turkish military is saying they are fulfilling their constitutional obligation to keep Islam out of the government.
John Bolton just mentioned this on Fox:
...from the moment he pronounced himself the ''imam'' of Istanbul, Erdogan began both provoking anxieties and recoiling from the fact that he had provoked them. He banned alcohol from municipal establishments, which created concern that he would eliminate alcohol from restaurants too. But he never did. He revived an elaborate project for a mosque complex in the city's heart, then backed off when there were protests. He never clearly allayed secular concerns, keeping them alive instead with comments like: ''Democracy is like a streetcar. When you come to your stop, you get off.''
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/11/magazine/the-erdogan-experiment.html?pagewanted=all
Pat
Nice of the coup plotters to wait until Friday market closures.
Gives them 2 days to consolidate before Monday.
If still chaos then markets are going to hurt.
Surprised the Turkish PM is on TV.
Erdogan on FaceTime.
President Obama vocally supporting government.
And no Chief of Turkish Defense Force or service chiefs on TV.
Middle management coup?
Since Erdogan emasculated Turkish military reboot option a number of years ago.
Interesting.
Divemaster
07-15-2016, 17:52
The crowds in the streets appear pro-Erdogan, but don't seem to be attacking the troops. However, I have seen some people get shot on Sky News.
State news agency- a bomb has hit parliament.
Military- we are in complete control.
Turkish intel agency- situation is back to normal after an attempted coup.
Fog of war- ruling the night, as usual.
Divemaster
07-15-2016, 17:58
While the military has fired on some crowds, elsewhere they seem to be showing restraint.
Divemaster
07-15-2016, 18:19
Turkish TV is showing some soldiers being led away in handcuffs by police. Elsewhere, there are reports that senior military officers have been taken hostage. All is not going well for the army.
Old Dog New Trick
07-15-2016, 18:37
Turkish TV is showing some soldiers being led away in handcuffs by police. Elsewhere, there are reports that senior military officers have been taken hostage. All is not going well for the army.
Nothing great is without sacrifice. :lifter
Old Dog New Trick
07-15-2016, 18:39
I hope that not many lives are lost in the process but, Obummer owns this...
It ain't Bush's fault after seven years of the most f'd up foreign policy in the history of the US.
Where is John Kerry at this moment? (Barfing in a toilet?) :rolleyes:
Divemaster
07-15-2016, 18:42
I hope that not many lives are lost in the process but, Obummer owns this...
It ain't Bush's fault after seven years of the most f'd up foreign policy in the history of the US.
Where is John Kerry at this moment? (Barfing in a toilet?) :rolleyes:
Kerry is in Moscow, sounding concerned. :munchin
Old Dog New Trick
07-15-2016, 18:47
Kerry is in Moscow, sounding concerned. :munchin
I've heard Kremlin toilets are close to Japanese toilets they have a mouthwash sprayer build in. :p
Another one of those vile YouTube videos, eh...this one musta been a doozy...
Nice of the coup plotters to wait until Friday market closures.
Gives them 2 days to consolidate before Monday.
If still chaos then markets are going to hurt.
Surprised the Turkish PM is on TV.
Erdogan on FaceTime.
President Obama vocally supporting government.
And no Chief of Turkish Defense Force or service chiefs on TV.
Middle management coup?
Since Erdogan emasculated Turkish military reboot option a number of years ago.
Interesting.
This whole thing reminds me of Claus von Stauffenberg's failed coup in 1944 ("Valkyrie"). Right down to dramatic re-emergence of the targeted leader and failure to coordinate sufficiently between military departments.
Team Sergeant
07-16-2016, 06:32
Seriously who cares. Just send weapons and ammo to whatever islamic tribe wants them, you know same strategy we're currently applying to all islamic conflicts.
Who cares.
What we do need to do is stop taking muslims from islamic shit holes and bring them to the USA. Let them keep their own shitte.
Except Sweden, Sweden wishes to become extinct in the next hundred years and all reminiscent of their thousands year old culture destroyed by raping, looting, murdering muzzies and they're ok with that.
Divemaster
07-16-2016, 08:20
It appears to be mostly over. Erdogan said the coup plotters will be treated "harshly". This could spell the end of anti-Islamist senior military leadership. Let the purge begin.
According to CNN, U.S. aircraft currently cannot fly out of Incirlik to hit targets in Iraq and Syria (though Stars & Stripes says ops continue).
And a list of over 2,700 judges, high court judges and other high officials was produced and them sacked within 24 hours of the start of the coup attempt.
I think that list has been riding around in Erdogan's back pocket for a while.
Hmmm no leadership , no financiers, no logistics, no guerrilla force = failed Coup. There might be many hairy bowling balls rolling around Turkish prisons over the next few days.
It's being reported that ~ Erdogan cuts power to & closes USAFB #Incirlik airspace, stopping bombing runs against ISIS, demands US extradite Fethullah Gulen,
... and that ~ Secretary of Labor Süleyman Soylu live on news channel Haberturk: "The US is behind this coup"
Source ~ th3j35t3r
Isn't just before mid-night on a Friday an odd time to start a coup? Loads of civilians and tourists in the streets, Mosques have let out after pumping up the congregation, passenger aircraft still arriving at the airports. What could go wrong?
Zero three or zero four hours, every one is home snug in their beds and the only aircraft landing are freighters. Of the two choices, I'd pick the latter. But that's just me.
Pat
Isn't just before mid-night on a Friday an odd time to start a coup? Loads of civilians and tourists in the streets, Mosques have let out after pumping up the congregation, passenger aircraft still arriving at the airports. What could go wrong?
Zero three or zero four hours, every one is home snug in their beds and the only aircraft landing are freighters. Of the two choices, I'd pick the latter. But that's just me.
Pat
But the biggest global equity/bond/commodity markets had just closed. ;)
But the biggest global equity/bond/commodity markets had just closed. ;)
Not quite following you, mate, unless you are suggesting that Erdogan wanted to make sure that son Bilal's smuggled ISIS oil shipment price was locked in beforehand. ;)
Pat
Not quite following you, mate, unless you are suggesting that Erdogan wanted to make sure that son Bilal's smuggled ISIS oil shipment price was locked in beforehand. ;)
Pat
To me, I'm wondering if the timing post market close was done by:
"Middle management military coup" leaders to avoid spooking global markets and evoke a quick sympathetic international response IF successful.
And/or
By Erdogan's team or Erdogan aligned factions to create a "Reichstag Fire" to allow for greater authoritarian crackdown conducted over the non-trading weekend to evoke involuntary support and/or reduce resistance from western trading partners.
To me, I'm wondering if the timing post market close was done by:
"Middle management military coup" leaders to avoid spooking global markets and evoke a quick sympathetic international response IF successful.
And/or
By Erdogan's team or Erdogan aligned factions to create a "Reichstag Fire" to allow for greater authoritarian crackdown conducted over the non-trading weekend to evoke involuntary support and/or reduce resistance from western trading partners.
Gotcha'! I'm starting to lean towards Door Number Two but, to be honest, hadn't considered Door Number One. Now, is there a Door Number Three?
Pat
Gotcha'! I'm starting to lean towards Door Number Two but, to be honest, hadn't considered Door Number One. Now, is there a Door Number Three?
Pat
Maybe door #3 is a combination of a failed door #1 quickly followed by an opportunistic "never let a good crisis go to waste" door#2.
SouthernDZ
07-17-2016, 09:48
According to Drudge, a significant purge of the officer corps is currently underway.
According to Drudge, a significant purge of the officer corps is currently underway.
Sledgehammer emasculated the Turkish military capability at the senior chain of command level to hit thr Ataturk reboot button.
I'm guessing this will do the same at the middle management level.
That's an incredibly long list of police and military names for arrest.
Then you have the even longer list of judges removed and/or under arrest.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kLUktJbp2Ug
2700+ judges in the first 24 hours. Almost 2 per minute. A cynic might think the list was already made up just waiting for an opportunity to use it.
I'd love to see an unbiased Turk analysis on those judges previous decisions regarding Erdogan's network/cronies in corruption investigation/prosecution.
It sounds like there may be a summit meeting between Erdogan and Putin.
The role Turkish military personnel at Ircirlik Air Base played in the coup could be used by Russia and anti US Turkish elements to portray US involvement and create a bigger wedge between the two countries.
Looking out decades a Russian/Turkish partnership on energy distribution to Western Europe would allow such a partnership to extract an extremely high rent on Western Europe thru a partnered monopoly.
I know Russia and Turkey have historically not gotten on well(that's an understatement). But the profit/power motive would be quite compelling from a non emotional Machiavellian perspective.
Team Sergeant
07-18-2016, 09:10
Was watching some of the videos of the coup attempt. They made some very bad mistakes. Indiscriminate killing was a big mistake.
Also saw some idiot walk into the street and stand in the road in front of a fast approaching tank...... (Remember Tiananmen Square?). The tank didn't even slow down........
Can anyone remember conflicts/terrorist acts without muslims involved?
In order to have a chance the coup needed, among other things, to disappear Erdoğan and make it look like ISIS.
The insurgency needed to control the media and perhaps plant ISIS threats immediately before the event. The recent airport thing presumably gives such manufactured threats credibility.
The indiscriminate killing by the insurgents pointed out by TS created immediate sympathy for Erdoğan...then, his call to the people to take to the streets...some brown stains in insurgent shorts no doubt.
If you're gonna aim for the king you can't miss...
Now, Erdoğan's purge ain't gonna be pretty.
Three months of marshal law and 50K prisoners...could Turkey be positioning itself to become the consolidator of the Sunni's, or the new Caliphate? The EU is not going to be too anxious to spend a lot of money in that hole in the desert and the US is going to be preoccupied with an election year, borders, and immigrating Syrians to give a damn what Turkey does. Just looks like there's more than a failed coup going on.
LarryW said: " Just looks like there's more than a failed coup going on."
I wonder...
Question about Incirlik Air Base and U.S.... personnel there deleted.
Divemaster
07-27-2016, 17:24
Who is being purged?
The purge is so extensive that few believe it was not already planned. And there seems little chance that everyone on the list is a Gulenist.
The sheer numbers are sobering. Some 9,000 people are in custody and many more are out of a job. Although accurate details are difficult to come by, this is the current list:
7,500 soldiers have been detained, including 118 generals and admirals
8,000 police have been removed from their posts and 1,000 arrested
3,000 members of the judiciary, including 1,481 judges, have been suspended
15,200 education ministry officials have lost their jobs
21,000 private school teachers have had their licences revoked
1,577 university deans (faculty heads) have been asked to resign
1,500 finance ministry staff have been removed
492 clerics, preachers and religious teachers have been fired
393 social policy ministry staff have been dismissed
257 prime minister's office staff have been removed
100 intelligence officials have been suspended
The list may be incomplete because the situation is constantly changing. But it is clear that the purge has affected well over 58,000 people.
Why education?
President Erdogan has seen the rise of Islamic education in Turkey's schools and universities as a personal mission.
Since his Islamist-rooted party came to power in 2002, the number of children educated in segregated religious schools known as "Imam-Hatip" has soared by 90%. He has repeatedly said he wants to raise a "pious generation" and has reformed state education accordingly.
Mr Erdogan sought to reverse the many closures of religious schools that came in the wake of Turkey's last coup in 1997, which he compared to the cutting of an artery.
He has also moved to shut down Gulenist-run schools outside Turkey. Reports from Romania say Turkish officials have told 11 to close, but the schools argue they fall under Romanian rather than Turkish jurisdiction.
What is less clear is why university deans are also being targeted. The officials told to leave their posts are unlikely to be Gulenists. There is some suggestion that a revamp of Turkey's 300 universities is being prepared.
On Wednesday, Turkey's higher education authority banned academics from travelling abroad and said anyone currently outside Turkey should return home.
More at http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36835340
Erdogan reminds me of Pol Pot, the purge is in full force. Next step the killing fields?
Badger52
07-27-2016, 21:11
He has also moved to shut down Gulenist-run schools outside Turkey. Reports from Romania say Turkish officials have told 11 to close, but the schools argue they fall under Romanian rather than Turkish jurisdiction.And it might just have to be the local jurisdiction's fire department that responds in the middle of the night.
:munchin
Team Sergeant
07-28-2016, 09:24
Erdogan reminds me of Pol Pot, the purge is in full force. Next step the killing fields?
'cept I don't care.
I've come a full 360 thinking about Erdogan ruling with an iron hand and I endorse it.
This is the only way to keep these muslim idiots in check and a huge benefit, having only one person to hold responsible if his "countrymen" step out of line.
Mr. Erdogan, you have my full backing and let me know where to send you tanks, warplanes and all the killing tools you require.:munchin
'cept I don't care.
I've come a full 360 thinking about Erdogan ruling with an iron hand and I endorse it.
This is the only way to keep these muslim idiots in check and a huge benefit, having only one person to hold responsible if his "countrymen" step out of line.
Mr. Erdogan, you have my full backing and let me know where to send you tanks, warplanes and all the killing tools you require.:munchin
Agree. A good junkyard dog is better than no dog at all. And if Erdogan isn't a dog he's as close to a son-of-a-bitch as that part of the world deserves.
JMHO, sir, but this dog has all the appearances of inserting himself as a new (or another) Caliphate, or at least one who could set himself up to defend the true faith against the Persians. The vacuum nature abhors is becoming a galaxy of abhorable vacuums in the Sunni world, and Turkey is looking like the only shepherd to defend that most holy porta-potty.
An interesting read: http://www.hope-of-israel.org/caliphate.html
Divemaster
07-30-2016, 22:55
'cept I don't care.
I've come a full 360 thinking about Erdogan ruling with an iron hand and I endorse it.
This is the only way to keep these muslim idiots in check and a huge benefit, having only one person to hold responsible if his "countrymen" step out of line.
Mr. Erdogan, you have my full backing and let me know where to send you tanks, warplanes and all the killing tools you require.:munchin
If what I'm hearing is correct, his iron hand is wrapping around Incirlik right about now. So send the tanks and stuff there.
As Artie Johnson from Laugh-In used to say ... "Verryyyyy Interesting"
:munchin
Turkey: Erdogan Takes Charge Of Military
In his third presidential decree since the failed coup plot, Mr Erdogan seeks to extend his power over Turkey's armed forces.
Turkey's president Recep Tayyip Erdogan has introduced new powers bringing the military further under civilian authority.
The move comes after the failed coup of 15 July, which resulted in the arrests of more than 10,000 people, most of them from the country's armed forces.
Nearly 70,000 others were suspended or sacked from their jobs in media, health care, education, military and the judiciary.
Mr Erdogan's decree is the third issued during the three-month state of emergency declared following the event, which left more than 200 people dead.
It gives the prime minister and president the authority to issue direct orders to the commander of the army, air force and navy.
Military commands are brought under the authority of the defence ministry and military hospitals will come under the charge of the health ministry.
Military schools will be closed and a new defence university will be created to train officers.
The decree also announces the discharge of 1,389 military personnel, including Mr Erdogan's chief military adviser, the chief of general staff's charge d'affaires and the defence minister's chief secretary.
In an interview on Saturday on the private A Haber television, Mr Erdogan said he also wanted to put the country's MIT intelligence agency and the chief of general staff's headquarters under presidential control.
"If we can pass this small constitution package with (the opposition parties), then the chief of general staff and MIT will be tied to the president," he said.
The crackdown has caused concern among Turkey's western allies and has particularly strained its relationship with Germany.
Ankara has demanded the closure of schools in Germany that are affiliated with the movement of US-based cleric Fethullah Gulen, who Mr Erdogan accuses of instigating the attempted coup.
Turkey's leader is also demanding the extradition of Mr Gulen from his current home in Pennsylvania but the US has said the extradition process must be allowed to take its proper course.
http://news.sky.com/story/turkey-erdogan-takes-charge-of-military-10518487
Ok I'm not up on Turkish politics, admittedly, but hasn't the military...and the coups...historically been centrist? The American muslim dude in PA who is accused of being behind it is a centrist who has been a proponent of free Press, democracy, etc. Now we see Christian persecution, a crackdown on free Press etc. In Turkey. Don't get me wrong, I don't care one bit about turkey, but isn't Erdogan an islamist?
Team Sergeant
08-01-2016, 08:29
"Erdoğan is a human rights activist"
I just want to tell the islamic idiots holding that sign: "Seriously dude, we all have internet access."
Huge Pro-Erdogan Islamist Rally In Germany
by LIAM DEACON31 Jul 2016
Around 50,000 supporters of Turkey’s Islamist president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan have rallied in Cologne, Germany to demand his authoritarian reign continues.
The Islamist crowd chanted “Allah hu Akbar!” and held signs reading, “Erdoğan is a human rights activist”, whilst opponents waved banners insisting “Stop the Erdomania!”
Members of the Turkish-nationalist, fascist-leaning “Grey Wolves” group were among the crowd that gathered on banks of the Rhine River with the city’s huge gothic cathedral in the background.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/31/pictures-huge-pro-erdogan-islamist-rally-germany/
"Erdoğan is a human rights activist"
I just want to tell the islamic idiots holding that sign: "Seriously dude, we all have internet access."
Huge Pro-Erdogan Islamist Rally In Germany
by LIAM DEACON31 Jul 2016
Around 50,000 supporters of Turkey’s Islamist president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan have rallied in Cologne, Germany to demand his authoritarian reign continues.
The Islamist crowd chanted “Allah hu Akbar!” and held signs reading, “Erdoğan is a human rights activist”, whilst opponents waved banners insisting “Stop the Erdomania!”
Members of the Turkish-nationalist, fascist-leaning “Grey Wolves” group were among the crowd that gathered on banks of the Rhine River with the city’s huge gothic cathedral in the background.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/31/pictures-huge-pro-erdogan-islamist-rally-germany/
50,000, ey? Recent arrivals I imagine.