BREAKING: Attack on Dallas PD, 3 dead, 8 wounded [Archive]

Divemaster

07-07-2016, 22:12

Latest update: a 4th police officer has died of his wounds.

Multiple officers killed at Dallas protest over police killings
By Ralph Ellis and Rosa Flores, CNN
Updated 12:08 AM ET, Fri July 8, 2016

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/philando-castile-alton-sterling-reaction/index.html

(CNN)[Breaking news update 12:08 a.m. ET]

Eleven police officers have been shot in Dallas, according to city police Chief David Brown. Three officers have died: one DART officer and two Dallas police officers, Brown said.
[Breaking news update 12:05 a.m. ET]
Police have cornered a suspect in a commercial garage after the shootings of 11 police officers near the end of a protest in Dallas over shootings by police of black men in Louisiana and Minnesota, police Chief David Brown told reporters. The chief said at least two snipers in elevated positions fired "ambush style" on the officers. "Some (were) shot in the back." There also is a search for a possible bomb in the area, Brown said. "This is a very emotional time for our department and the law enforcement community across the country," Brown said. Officials asked the public's help in identifying suspects.

Penn

07-07-2016, 22:20

This was not a reaction, it was a plan waiting for a motive /justification to act.

Old Dog New Trick

07-07-2016, 22:23

FUCK!!!

Divemaster

07-07-2016, 22:26

PSM

07-07-2016, 22:29

Police have released photos of a potential suspect who was seen carrying an AR in the crowd. It does not look like he was trying to hide. I would not be surprised if that person was just exercising his open carry rights and the shooters were others. But that is just pure speculation on my part.

Careful. Subsequent reports are that guy was seen just as the shooting started and turned his weapon over to a Police officer. It's legal to open carry a rifle in TX.

Wait it out.

Pat

Divemaster

07-07-2016, 22:31

First suspect (in the pictures you see on the news) turned him self in. Another suspect was taken into custody after a shootout with Dallas SWAT, suspicious package at the scene being looked at by bomb squad. From @DallasPD Twitter account.

LarryW

07-07-2016, 22:35

The beginning begins. Seems quite logical that this was a pre-planned ambush just waiting for the trigger event.

Old Dog New Trick

07-07-2016, 22:36

I don't think it was the guy in the camo t-shirt. But I don't know anything right now.

What I know is that across the country this asshole of a president has fanned the flames of racial tensions and this is the result.

The Dems will go after guns and the police

The Pugs will go after whatever the NRA tells them to

This will not end well!

Team Sergeant

07-07-2016, 22:36

Penn

07-07-2016, 22:51

The first of Farrakhan's 10K soldiers? This was not a Spontaneous shooting. It was coordinated, site specific, elevated for Vantage, and delivered without remorse, or fear of consequence.

LarryW

07-07-2016, 22:52

This will not end well!

No, sir it surely won't end well. And the leaders in our Executive Branch are incapable of leading a cat out of a burning phone booth.

It's going to be a long hot summer. 1968 on steroids.

PSM

07-07-2016, 22:52

This might be the big break zero has been looking for so he can declare martial law and suspend the election for the good of the children.

And who are these "martial law" enforcers who will carry this out? They are the targets by his design.

Pat

LarryW

07-07-2016, 22:59

Two suspects in custody.

Divemaster

07-07-2016, 23:01

Careful. Subsequent reports are that guy was seen just as the shooting started and turned his weapon over to a Police officer. It's legal to open carry a rifle in TX.

Wait it out.

Pat

You're essentially agreeing with what I posted there.

Divemaster

07-07-2016, 23:05

One of you please tell the Dallas PD I'd be more than happy to come down as a retired Special Forces Sniper and watch their backs.

Come down on my own dime, need a place to stay. Will bring the necessary tools.

Their website is unreachable.

Thank obama for this.

It was a Dallas PD sniper who scored one of the few, if not the only, police sniper kill with a .50 cal last year. This was after a lone shooter (white, I believe), shot up a police station then hopped in his homemade uparmored vehicle. The cop took the shot through armored glass.

But this retired SF sniper will join you. I know that city well.

PSM

07-07-2016, 23:07

You're essentially agreeing with what I posted there.

Yep. Just a follow up that you were correct and no one should believe first reports. ;) Or the tenth.

Pat

Divemaster

07-07-2016, 23:07

For the first time ever liberals are praying the shooters are Muslim jihadis.

JG88

07-07-2016, 23:15

Feels like this is going to be the straw that broke the camel's back. I bet the first issue to arise from this will be to add more gun control laws. Mighty convenient for Hilary and her email scandal though.

Divemaster

07-07-2016, 23:25

CNN- FAA issues temporary flight restrictions over downtown Dallas.

PSM

07-07-2016, 23:33

Yep. Just a follow up that you were correct and no one should believe first reports. ;) Or the tenth.

Pat

I need to be a little more clear here. Other reports from the scene say that this guy is the brother of one of the organizers. So, while he certainly was carrying leagaly, there may have been ulterior motives behind it. Or not. It's the Fog of News.

CNN- FAA issues temporary flight restrictions over downtown Dallas.

That's for news helicopters. Happened all the time in L.A. during big incidents/events. In L.A. they would usually designate a "pool" helo to cover for all news agencies.

Pat

ETA:

Airspace Definition:
Center: On the COWBOY VOR/DME (CVE) 140 degree radial at 9 nautical miles. (Latitude: 32º45'56"N, Longitude: 96º48'15"W)
Radius: 2.5 nautical miles
Altitude: From the surface up to and including 2000 feet AGL
Effective Date(s):
From July 08, 2016 at 0335 UTC
To July 08, 2016 at 1130 UTC
6/2615

Click for Sectional
NOTAM Text
Operating Restrictions and Requirements Top
No pilots may operate an aircraft in the areas covered by this NOTAM (except as described).
ONLY RELIEF AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS UNDER DIRECTION OF DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE AUTHORIZED IN THE AIRSPACE

Other Information: Top
ARTCC: ZFW - Fort Worth Center
Point of Contact: DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT
Telephone 214-670-4415

spherojon

07-07-2016, 23:34

Fox 4 of Dallas, basically just released a video of an officer being murdered. The officer was shot point blank in the back by one of the suspects. I am looking for the video, because the body language of the suspect makes it seem that this individual had training.

Edit: Found the link **Warning Graphic Content**
https://twitter.com/TheGOATVital/status/751279971474087936

https://twitter.com/search?q=dallas&src=typd

Divemaster

07-07-2016, 23:35

JG88

07-07-2016, 23:43

Old Dog New Trick

07-08-2016, 00:03

Okay, I'm calmer now but still pissed.

I have lots of emotions and opinions about this but right now I'm just pissed.

The fever pitch in this country is getting as bad as my youth late sixties early seventies.

Ten years ago I would have believed affirmative action had served its purpose and was no longer needed. Now I believe it should be abolished and all the welfare babies should reap the benefits of their choices.

I'm not sorry I feel that way. Compassion has limits and the recent BLM movement has destroyed any concept of equality. Fuck them!

I didn't know if this was a black person, a person with an agenda or someone other that used this event as a specific location. Without this inane movement promoted by the current president of the United States and supported by liberal SJWs to undermine our Constitution and way of life until they have destroyed the freedoms they have fought for and we have died for.

Instead of fighting against injustice they perform injustice against innocent people. Those officers where also someone's son, brother, father, husband.

I'm pissed that the media will set the tone, promote their bias and raise tensions until something they have created comes to fruition and then spend hours reporting anything and everything until they are shown their ass.

This night I watched news from Fox to CNN report sensationalism and for what? Ratings?

This is a sad night for our country. A sad night for equality. I'm sure the previous will be along shortly to ridicule the police and say they brought this on themselves.

In the next few days the gun grabbers will go after ARs and 30-round magazines but the first gun the police went to was ARs and 30-round magazines. If I had to protect my house and my family from this kind of disobedience I'd want an AR with several 30-round magazines. So fuck them socialist too. Malon Labe!

LarryW

07-08-2016, 00:19

Now (0214 EDT) three in custody and one hold up in a parking garage talking with negotiators.

Was there any way the LEOs could have prepared for this pre-planned scenario..."If A then B"? Seems it takes planning out and leaves only a Fort Apache-type reaction. Hard to fight in a crowded civilian setting.

Divemaster

07-08-2016, 00:35

Someone on Periscope is live (delay?) feeding video covering the parking garage crisis site. Here's the link, but you can't see much.

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1ZkJzvbbqAqJv

Divemaster

07-08-2016, 00:39

The last time four American police officers were killed in a single incident occurred not too far from me. Lakewood, WA PD, November 29, 2009.

Old Dog New Trick

07-08-2016, 00:42

The last time four American police officers were killed in a single incident occurred not too far from me. Lakewood, WA PD, November 29, 2009.

RIP Lakewood Four.

Drive by and reflect all the time.

Old Dog New Trick

07-08-2016, 00:44

If this event in Dallas turns out to be muzzies, God help the administration because the police won't.

Divemaster

07-08-2016, 00:48

KDFW news in Dallas is just reporting a 5th officer has died. They are NOT quoting Dallas PD, and the PD Twitter feed is not reporting this.

ETA: KDFW also reporting the suspect in the parking garage is wounded, possibly down, and they're waiting to clear for possible explosives.

Old Dog New Trick

07-08-2016, 00:55

Damn :(

This blood is on Obummer's hands. I'm sure he'll be along shortly to console the families of these slain officers.

Right after he blames the guns.

Divemaster

07-08-2016, 01:14

RIP Lakewood Four.

Drive by and reflect all the time.

I also drive by there frequently, and sometimes stop for coffee for no particular reason. My wife knew SGT Mark Renninger when he was on the Tukwila PD. He was also a former 2nd Ranger Battalion soldier from the 90s.

Divemaster

07-08-2016, 02:03

FOX News reporting the barricaded suspect is dead from a self inflicted gunshot. Three suspects in custody.

Let's not forget that as the protesters ran away from the gun fire, the police ran towards it.

Geenie

07-08-2016, 02:17

BrokenSwitch

07-08-2016, 02:57

This is a terrible tragedy for Dallas PD and the country. Undoubtedly it will be exploited by all sides of the debate and exacerbate tensions currently present in this country :mad:

I do have a question for the board members here: On account of what specific actions or policies is president Obama to blame for this event, which was perpetrated by as yet unidentified(?) actors with unclear motives?

The "Beer Summit" and Obama's "The police acted stupidly" statement.

Trayvon Martin, and Obama's "If I had a son" statement.

Michael Brown, and Obama's subsequent statement about "We have to close the justice gap — how justice is applied, but also how it is perceived, how it is experienced."

Freddie Gray, and Obama's subsequent statement about “If our society really wanted to solve the problem, we could -- it’s just that it would require everybody saying, ‘This is important, this is significant.’”

I'm sure there are other examples, and the search feature is your friend.

In every single case, except for the "Beer Summit", the individual in question had a criminal history and did not cooperate with either law enforcement or (in the Trayvon Martin case) neighborhood watch.

It is a sad state of affairs when the person who occupies the office of the President of the United States consistently sides with criminals rather than people who swore to uphold the law.

Divemaster

07-08-2016, 03:08

During the June, 2015 attack on the Dallas Police Department, CNN's Fredricka Whitfield had this to say:

“It was very courageous and brave, if not crazy as well, to open fire on the police headquarters, and now you have this scene, this standoff. So you believe these are the hallmarks of more than one person’s involvement.”

I can't wait to see what she says today. :munchin

TacOfficer

07-08-2016, 03:11

RIP Officers,
I've been on the line of many protests going back to '98. I can tell you that this scenario was always in the back of every officer's mind. We are all lined up like bottles on the range. It was effective crowd control, but they were not a crowd or any semblance of peaceful assembly. They were opportunist Savages intent on harming Police and destroying property.

They were there to create an opportunity to commit violence and selectively capture on video the reaction of the physical threat they pose.

The politicians didn't want us to intimidate or "oppress" the protesters and sacrificed our safety for the sensibilities of the social justice warriors.

Militarization of the police versus a prepared Police force is a topic that has been discussed. I believe in balance. Due to the reality of current events, I'm truly sorry that the balance towards a more "prepared" Police force is necessary to confront the growing threat from the Savage.

For the sake of definition, the savages are those that seek to destroy our American way of life and liberties enumerated in the constitution. The Police are the thin blue line protecting those that live by and cherish it.

Five-O

07-08-2016, 03:26

I try not to be overly dramatic or reactionary and I hope this doesn't read as either.

This could be however the opening round of an open rebellion against perceived injustices directed at the governments most public representatives...the Police. I believe this act will embolden others to act similarly and this violence will spread.....to what end I don't pretend to know. The actors in this particular shooting appear to be the BP or BLM folks....what will happen when other Americans (much better trained and equipped with serious skill sets) reach THEIR tipping point? This country can not possibly continue along its current path without consequence...perhaps tonight is a glimpse at some consequence. I am concerned about our Republic and its future.

RIP Brothers/Sisters.

T-Rock

07-08-2016, 04:28

. I do have a question for the board members here: On account of what specific actions or policies is president Obama to blame for this event, which was perpetrated by as yet unidentified(?) actors with unclear motives?

Here's the jackass and his racist proclivities inciting violence just hours before the coordinated attacks on the Officers in Dallas.. If he'd keep his mouth shut and wait for the facts to surface, he could dampen fanning the flames...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0bb_1467940395

Divemaster

07-08-2016, 04:59

Slain Dallas Area Rapid Transit officer Brent Thompson was married two weeks ago to a fellow officer. Previously he had worked as a security contractor in Afghanistan.

echoes

07-08-2016, 05:48

Slain Dallas Area Rapid Transit officer Brent Thompson was married two weeks ago to a fellow officer. Previously he had worked as a security contractor in Afghanistan.

Rest-In-Peace Brave Officers.
:(

May those bastard cowards responsible burn hot in hell!:mad:

Holly

SouthernDZ

07-08-2016, 05:55

#Blue Lives Matter

Only in Obama's America could that be considered a racist statement.

Geenie

07-08-2016, 06:03

Here's the jackass and his racist proclivities inciting violence just hours before the coordinated attacks on the Officers in Dallas.. If he'd keep his mouth shut and wait for the facts to surface, he could dampen fanning the flames...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0bb_1467940395

Your point about waiting for the facts to surface is well taken. I don't quite see, however, how his statement might be construed as "inciting violence." Seems to me like all he is doing is citing some potentially disconcerting statistics :confused:

Divemaster

07-08-2016, 06:14

Your point about waiting for the facts to surface is well taken. I don't quite see, however, how his statement might be construed as "inciting violence." Seems to me like all he is doing is citing some potentially disconcerting statistics :confused:

Inciting violence might be stretching it. However, Mr. Obama has exacerbated racial tensions at every opportunity because it furthers the Progressive narrative of class conflict.

Streck-Fu

07-08-2016, 06:14

Your point about waiting for the facts to surface is well taken. I don't quite see, however, how his statement might be construed as "inciting violence." Seems to me like all he is doing is citing some potentially disconcerting statistics :confused:

The statistics are only disconcerting because he only focusing on the outcome and not the cause. More blacks are arrested, searched, and convicted of crimes but, instead of researching the validity of those rates, he starts from a position that crime and punishment must be equally distributed according to population.

Divemaster

07-08-2016, 06:43

Dallas Police Chief just now said that a "device" carried by their bomb robot exploded and killed the barricaded suspect. He did not kill himself, he was killed by the "bomb". The suspect said he wanted to kill white police officers and that he acted alone and was not part of a group.

Team Sergeant

07-08-2016, 07:12

ter•ror•ist
noun
a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.

ter·ror·ism
noun
the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Black Lives Matter = domestic terrorist organization

Racist Administration continually incites BLM terrorists.

BLM terrorists murder five police officers.

Racist Administration blames guns instead of the terrorists responsible.

It's not like we didn't see this coming. America embraced the terrorists, corporations embraced the terrorists, the media embraced the terrorists.

The backlash is already occurring in Baltimore. Now the backlash will become nationwide. I'd predict an extreme rise in black on black violence with a much lower police presence, lower police patrolling in extreme crime areas. Thug on thug violence is about to go "off the hook".

Martial law would only enrage the law abiding citizens and probably initiate a "purge".

We only have the incompetent Racist Administration to thank.

Complete silence from DOJ, DHS.........crickets.

Arm yourselves and prepare.

Divemaster

07-08-2016, 07:14

Suspect killed by police bomb (how awesome is that?) said he was not affiliated with any group, but was angry over Black Lives Matter.

Short term analysis:
1. The Left will move Heaven and Earth to disassociate the splattered, I mean deceased with Black Lives Matter.
2. The Right will move Heaven and Earth to stick the smithereens, I mean deceased on Black Lives Matter.
3. The Left, from POTUS on down, will be sure at every turn to mention the easy access to weapons of war (like POTUS did at NATO this morning) as a contributing factor in an effort to advance the anti-inanimate object agenda.

BryanK

07-08-2016, 07:41

Aaaaaaand now the Capitol Building is on lockdown...

http://wtop.com/government/2016/07/us-capitol-on-lockdown-police-searching-for-individual/

ETA: Lockdown lifted

Geenie

07-08-2016, 07:49

The statistics are only disconcerting because he only focusing on the outcome and not the cause. More blacks are arrested, searched, and convicted of crimes but, instead of researching the validity of those rates, he starts from a position that crime and punishment must be equally distributed according to population.

This is true, and an important point if we are to respond effectively to whatever set of issues are identified as "the problem" in this case. That being said, say we agree that propensity to commit crime is unevenly distributed in such a fashion as to result in the statistics cited, what are the causes?

Obviously this is not monocausal issue, but what explanatory variables exist beyond the narratives perpetuated by the left (i.e. historic/institutional path dependencies, institutionalized racism, etc.) -- What comes to my mind is admittedly banal: poverty, lack of education, and the culture/socialization that comes with those two things.

Without question, however, poverty and lack of education (some would say 'opportunity'), does not discriminate by race. There are plenty of poor, uneducated white people in this country; so, what am I missing?

Team Sergeant

07-08-2016, 08:09

Yeah, only blacks are targeted by police in America.......:rolleyes:

I'm just happy we don't have:

Asian Lives Matter

Indian Live Matter

Latino Lives Matter

Ukrainian Lives Matter

Russian Lives Matter

Fijian Lives Matter

Maldives Lives Matter

Middle Eastern Lives Matter

Eskimo Lives Matter

Mongolian Lives Matter

Nepelese Lives Matter

Uzbekistani Lives Matter

Etc, etc, etc

Cause they are all here, represented in America. I'd go out on a limb and say that those "races" are not "targeted" because they don't commit 50% of the crime in America........and they outnumber the black community in America by the tens of millions........

TacOfficer

07-08-2016, 08:22

Patrin

07-08-2016, 08:23

I hope this is starting to add up to the sheep out there...:mad:

US terrorist attacks carried out by muzzies.....

City-wide riots carried out by racist-black thugs over the deaths of drug dealers, pedophiles and thugs....

Open calls from racist-black thugs to kill police officers....

Now, direct assaults by racist-black thugs killing police officers and white people....

...all the while stoked by the mainstream media and the God-Damned Communist in Chief.

I'm going back to carrying the AR in the vehicle...this country is in for the hottest summer it's had since Lincoln was elected.

I truly wonder if even Trump can bring our Nation back from the brink.

mojaveman

07-08-2016, 08:39

The suspect barricaded himself in a nearby building and refused to surrender when officers tried to negotiate with him? According to the news they then maneuvered a remote controlled bomb into his position and detonated it killing him.

Wow

The police are now using remote controlled bombs? Are these violent incidents now taking on a new dimension and new name?

tonyz

07-08-2016, 08:53

The second suspect barricaded himself and refuse to surrender when officers tried to negotiate with him. According to the news they then maneuvered a remote controlled bomb into his position and killed him with it.

Wow.

The police are now using remote controlled bombs? Are these violent incidents now taking on a new dimension and new name?

Probably a "Disruptor"...camera and microphone capabilities also.

That little "land drone" saved lives last night.

Hand

07-08-2016, 08:57

Well damn. Time for the liberals to start justifying this. Oh wait, they already have.

Dallas police identified a North Texas man as a gunman responsible for shootings at Dallas protests that left five police officers dead and seven more injured.

Micah X. Johnson, of Mesquite, is one of four people police said were responsible for ambushing police officers at a peaceful protest against nation-wide officer-involved shootings in Dallas Thursday.

Police said officers cornered Johnson and negotiated with him for hours before talks broke down. Dallas Police Chief David Brown said Johnson told officers he was upset about recent shootings involving police and "wanted to kill white people. Especially white officers."

After an exchange of gunfire, Brown said officers attached an explosive device to a bomb robot and detonated it near Johnson, killing him.
A black SUV found at the scene of the shootings was listed as registered to Delphene Johnson, also of Mesquite. Chopper 5 is live over the address listed for Delphene Johnson on the registration.

Source. (http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Dallas-Police-Identify-Gunman-in-Dallas-Protest-Shootings-386015971.html)

Streck-Fu

07-08-2016, 09:21

Clearly, it was the gun he used that caused this.....

tonyz

07-08-2016, 09:26

We would benefit from a unredacted transcript of dead suspect's conversation with hostage negotiator...

Although according to Dallas Police Chief David Brown this morning - shooter said he "acted alone" we know that to be false on its face as he reportedly acted with other shooters.

He expressed empathy for BLM movement...any others ?

Old Dog New Trick

07-08-2016, 09:46

Okay, so was this little shit stain a cook or a PAC clerk typist?

PFC Micah Xavier Johnson - rot in hell.

Patriot007

07-08-2016, 09:57

Obama can't speak a sentence without blaming weapons for the cowardly evil acts of democrats or muslims. When does the POTUS become a lawful enemy of the American People and Constitution?

Old Dog New Trick

07-08-2016, 09:58

Well damn. Time for the liberals to start justifying this. Oh wait, they already have.

Source. (http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Dallas-Police-Identify-Gunman-in-Dallas-Protest-Shootings-386015971.html)

The "Lone Wolf terrorist with military training" that Janet Napolitano warned us about.

If one still wet behind the ears momma's boy who lived a lonely life at home after a brief stint in the Army can cause this much damage and chaos. What would two or three well (better) trained and organized terrorists gonna unleash?

Think Mumbai on steroids.

MR2

07-08-2016, 10:08

Apparently some people were "extremely careless" with their weapons in Dallas. Since no one really got hurt, let alone died we will decline to charge them. - FBI Director Comely

Team Sergeant

07-08-2016, 10:16

Now that the incompetent loretta lynch has "launched" a federal investigation I wonder when she will meet the BLM leaders on the tarmac of the Phoenix airport and discuss their pending case?

Future DOJ / FBI finding's on the Dallas police murders:
"Not" a Hate Crime
"Not" domestic terrorism
"Not" politically motivated violence

DOJ / FBI findings: Just another case of "Workplace Violence"
And loretta lynch will announce: "case closed".

Dallas cop massacre will be probed as hate crime
By Jamie Schram
July 8, 2016 | 11:37am

United States Attorney General Loretta Lynch on Friday launched the first-ever federal hate crimes investigation into a cop-killing following the massacre of five officers in Dallas.
It also comes in response to calls by the National Fraternal Order of Police to investigate the savage attack carried out by a rifle-wielding psycho, who was killed by an exploding police robot during a standoff.
“The U.S. Department of Justice is always quick to insert itself into local investigations, sometimes before the preliminary reports are even in,” said Chuck Canterbury, president of the FOP.
“Today we expect actions just as swift — we want a Federal investigation into those who were motivated by their hatred of police to commit mass murder in Dallas last night.”

http://nypost.com/2016/07/08/dallas-cop-massacre-will-be-probed-as-hate-crime/

Team Sergeant

07-08-2016, 10:19

The "Lone Wolf terrorist with military training" that Janet Napolitano warned us about.

(Didn't you read the DHS memo? That "Lone Wolf" only applies to white military veterans!)

Old Dog New Trick

07-08-2016, 10:23

(Didn't you read the DHS memo? That "Lone Wolf" only applies to white military veterans!)

Damn, I always get my facts wrong.

Hand

07-08-2016, 10:28

*A* rifle wielding psycho?

Sniping from elevated positions, while running around on the ground with a handgun? What happened to the other 2 shooters?

Old Dog New Trick

07-08-2016, 10:33

*A* rifle wielding psycho?

Sniping from elevated positions, while running around on the ground with a handgun? What happened to the other 2 shooters?

They got made up in the chaos.

I suspected as much last night and told my wife it's only (probably) one shooter. Witnesses are inherently wrong when describing active events.

I also suspect that he legally purchased his guns and passed a background check.

Will be interesting read about his military time and what he did or didn't do. Forthcoming I'm sure.

Psycho - probably not. But if so he lied on his 4473.

ETA: probably not a good idea to open carry an AR at a *peaceful* BLM protest.

CAARNG 68W

07-08-2016, 10:39

Black Lives Matter?
To Whom?
Let's look at who's killing who in the murder capital (by volume) :

http://heyjackass.com/

And the Police are the problem? Right.....
Mr President, you might want to examine all the facts.

Thank you for turning me onto this website! Looks like a solid source for using for scholastic citations

Okay, so was this little shit stain a cook or a PAC clerk typist?

PFC Micah Xavier Johnson - rot in hell.

Some sort of Engineer POG - definitely not a 12B, he was a "Carpentry & Mason Specialist"

Old Dog New Trick

07-08-2016, 10:43

Some sort of Engineer POG - definitely not a 12B, he was a "Carpentry & Mason Specialist"

Damn, I was hoping for 'food preparation specialist' aka "cook."

Streck-Fu

07-08-2016, 11:02

Damn, I was hoping for 'food preparation specialist' aka "cook."

All the lethal cooks are SEALs.

tonyz

07-08-2016, 11:15

All the lethal cooks are SEALs.

Lol, just a cook...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=edBenUAZ2OQ

cbtengr

07-08-2016, 11:51

The "Lone Wolf terrorist with military training" that Janet Napolitano warned us about.

If one still wet behind the ears momma's boy who lived a lonely life at home after a brief stint in the Army can cause this much damage and chaos. What would two or three well (better) trained and organized terrorists gonna unleash?

Think Mumbai on steroids.

This POS qualifies for the "Homegrown" label that the libs like to bandy about.

The Reaper

07-08-2016, 12:12

I guess the Southern Poverty Law Center missed this one.

TR

TacOfficer

07-08-2016, 13:20

Thank you for turning me onto this website! Looks like a solid source for using for scholastic citations

Some sort of Engineer POG - definitely not a 12B, he was a "Carpmentry & Mason Specialist"

Thank you,
If you want to know what the Chicago Police Officers think:

http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com

tonyz

07-08-2016, 13:22

My favorite parts of the Obama administration have been all the racial healing...transparency...containment of ISIS...

Never mind...

Bleed Green

07-08-2016, 13:46

I just wanted to thank all you guys for the sentiments that you have shared here in this forum. It is not that often in this job that you have the public ever express thanks unless it is in very dark moments, but hearing things such as TS coming out of retirement for overwatch means a lot

I know that this profession has taken it's share of lumps due to the SJW calls for instant justice that is so often shaped by the perception of the internet videos that every keyboard commando wants to post to achieve their Warhol 15 minutes coupled with a lot of emotion in most cases without the benefit of all the facts. While there are those that decry the militarization of the police, I have got to look at how many lives a bomb robot saved last night and thank those who wear your uniforms for bringing that technology to Dallas last night.

Thank you all for being a sheep dog for it is the sheep dogs that stand between the sheep and the wolf and it is past time for all sheep dogs to be thanked.

Your watch is over my brothers. Peace be with you and those you leave behind.

Stay safe my friends.

DJ Urbanovsky

07-08-2016, 14:07

How does one manage to spend six years in the reserves and only achieve the rank of PFC...

CAARNG 68W

07-08-2016, 14:22

Damn, I was hoping for 'food preparation specialist' aka "cook."

:D

All the lethal cooks are SEALs.

Lol, just a cook...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=edBenUAZ2OQ

Damn, took the idea right outta my head

hahahahahaha

Thank you,
If you want to know what the Chicago Police Officers think:

http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com

Thanks, bookmarked & saved!

How does one manage to spend six years in the reserves and only achieve the rank of PFC...

By being a shitbag

Go Devil

07-08-2016, 14:55

Old Dog New Trick

07-08-2016, 15:21

The media is relating information on the scrub shitbag that got smeared by his own bomb; one shooter?

What about this guy?

http://youtu.be/JcZOrZAdB78

Looks like a second one got smoked by a plain clothes individual.
After taking out the gunner, the plain clothes individual is still taking fire.
Or am I backwards on something?

I don't watch TV

Best I understand the shooter is in the tan pants. Also that that's his black SUV. The shooter began shooting at cops from there (street level) and then possibly moved upwards after escaping that area. At the end of the video you can see him run behind the far corner of the building (correction into a garage/parking entrance middle of building.) The person in the video that runs up to the column and takes cover is a police officer who may or may not have engaged the shooter. The shooter then maneuvers back to and engages the police officer point-blank.

Then there is a lull and confusion. Looks like unaimed fire is bouncing all over the facade of the building as the shooter darts back and forth before running down the sidewalk and into the building.

Just my observations

ETA: I think reports of him being a "sniper" with elevation is malarkey. At least in the beginning. Did he have body armor? I don't know. If he took hits from that officer they didn't have much effect. Did he have bombs/IEDs? I doubt it.

Was it total chaos? You bet!!!

Old Dog New Trick

07-08-2016, 15:50

What about this guy?

http://youtu.be/JcZOrZAdB78

TV

If you take that angle and then look at this angle

https://youtu.be/aE02Il-pqYw

and then there the third angle.

https://youtu.be/wfKyVfuWm0c

I think you can piece together that some of the arriving police officers who got hit, got hit getting out of their cars. They drove into an active ambush kill zone and stopped to dismount. The shooter was undeterred by this. He fired accurately.

Go Devil

07-08-2016, 16:01

If you take that angle and then look at this angle

https://youtu.be/aE02Il-pqYw

and then there the third angle.

https://youtu.be/wfKyVfuWm0c

I think you can piece together that some of the arriving police officers who got hit, got hit getting out of their cars. They drove into an active ambush kill zone and stopped to dismount. The shooter was undeterred by this. He fired accurately.

Thank you for clarifying this for me.

SouthernDZ

07-08-2016, 16:29

Just listened to the Mayor of Dallas and the Governor of Texas press conference.
I am once again reminded why it's called The Great State of Texas!

Old Dog New Trick

07-08-2016, 16:33

I think, I hope in the near future police agencies across the US need to take a hard look at how they do organized protest movements and crowd control.

Few have yet to use C2/C3I with a central on scene command. Use of 'armed' over-watch positions, aerial drones and/or HD CCTV. (Pre-position spotters and sharpshooters in high over-watch. No need to "hard scope" citizens when binoculars work just fine. The rifle is there when it goes sideways. Drones as in flying eyes - not predators armed with mini-guns. Same with HD CCTV mounted on mobile trucks or high buildings that can provide continuous observation of people in crowds. Gives the option to find them later when they go from protestor to anarchist or murderer.)

A lot of valuable time and energy is wasted with incoherent radio chatter and multiple reports that overlap and cause confusion. This is nothing new and has been a known problem for a long time. Incompatible radio systems used by different departments in the same localities.

If someone has a right to be there openly carrying weapons you'd better have a plan to keep eyes on. I don't want to discourage legal carry if it's legal but it better not become a liability when SHTF. (Just what I mean. If it's legal and you are legal there is no big deal. If you are only there to "intimidate or it's questionable to your intentions" then you are probably guilty of "brandishing" although that in and of itself is a judgment call.)

Also, routes and vehicular restrictions should be in place and enforced to prevent heavily armed infiltrators from joining the party.

While the pretty "day-glo" police uniforms look "cool" they also provide an eye catching target to differentiate between target/non-target. Traffic control sure...crowd and pedestrian control and movement officers not such a bright idea.

If your department owns Bearcats and MRAPs they had better be in the 'pooper-scooper' section of the parade. Loaded with tacticool operators wearing all their tacticool body armor and fresh batteries. Sending street cops into a maelstrom and hail of bullets doesn't end well. As witnessed. (These should not be front and center. They are the QRF but they are close enough to be effective. Sure it's easy to misrepresent the use of an MRAP for peaceful purposes and the Bearcat and SWAT trucks are more acceptable then it becomes a department asset. I'm not referring to the water cannon trucks they like to use in Europe for crowd control. Only in reserve of SHTF moments.)

Keep it simple, on the down low but always be the Boy Scout and have a rehearsed plan when it goes in a new direction. (The "Boy Scout" image is a clean cut, neatly dressed, professional that is always ready to help an old lady across the street, carry her groceries or skin a skunk and cook it over an open fire built without matches. Why? Because he can!)

Stay safe out there!

JGC2

07-08-2016, 17:21

I think, I hope in the near future police agencies across the US need to take a hard look at how they do organized protest movements and crowd control.

Few have yet to use C2/C3I with a central on scene command. Use of 'armed' over-watch positions, aerial drones and/or HD CCTV.

A lot of valuable time and energy is wasted with incoherent radio chatter and multiple reports that overlap and cause confusion. This is nothing new and has been a known problem for a long time. Incompatible radio systems used by different departments in the same localities.

If someone has a right to be there openly carrying weapons you'd better have a plan to keep eyes on. I don't want to discourage legal carry if it's legal but it better not become a liability when SHTF.

Also, routes and vehicular restrictions should be in place and enforced to prevent heavily armed infiltrators from joining the party.

While the pretty "day-glo" police uniforms look "cool" they also provide an eye catching target to differentiate between target/non-target. Traffic control sure...crowd and pedestrian control and movement officers not such a bright idea.

If your department owns Bearcats and MRAPs they had better be in the 'pooper-scooper' section of the parade. Loaded with tacticool operators wearing all their tacticool body armor and fresh batteries. Sending street cops into a maelstrom and hail of bullets doesn't end well. As witnessed.

Keep it simple, on the down low but always be the Boy Scout and have a rehearsed plan when it goes in a new direction.

Stay safe out there!

I must respectfully disagree, as I just can't get on board with proposing a militarized police response to overwatch a public protest of militarized police. You're talking drones and MRAPs here that would be on the scale of a full on deliberate attack in a combat zone.

I will always stand with our LEOs over any race-motivated, leftist, hypocritical organization. 100%. But, it's just my opinion that although the BLM-style idiots of today are the "threat," the logic I see the police, political right, and even many of us using here could easily be parlayed against Constitutional patriots down the road.

The fact that a remote controlled robot was outfitted with a bomb and used as a RBIED to kill a US citizen on US soil should be generating thoughtful discussion about precedent and ethics. Sadly, too many of us will focus on how big of a piece of sh*t the suspect was to be willing to entertain it. We must realize that to those who will use lethal force against us on behalf of "the State," they believe we are big pieces of sh*t too.

Your recommendation here reads like you would have sniper overwatch hard-scoping a law abiding open carrier during a public protest. I submit the idea that he might view the protection of himself and his fellow protestors as primarily his responsibility. There are over 1 million handgun carry permit holders in Texas. We Texians see ourselves as protectors of the public and don't think that should be left solely to the police. You say you don't want to discourage open carry, but by proposing a militarized response to it that has to be the end result.

The fact that multiple videos showed the "suspect" getting shot at, not shooting, but he was still targeted over social media and via BOLO is because of one thing - he was armed. Being armed was never supposed to make you suspicious or threatening in this country.

Either way, another very sad day where good American public servants are lost and the hypocrisy of the Left ("well unlike mass shootings, now let's not blame the many for the actions of the few!") is on full display.

Team Sergeant

07-08-2016, 17:43

Had a friend here in Phoenix police dept tell me that assholes are calling 911 shouting black lives matter or requesting cops and when they show up people are there waiting to yell at them. Or have written something for them to read when they arrive.

Planned protests in Phoenix tonight at 2000 hours.

I'll have my BLM AR-15 out locked and loaded tonight. ;)

Old Dog New Trick

07-08-2016, 17:57

I must respectfully disagree, as I just can't get on board with proposing a militarized police response to overwatch a public protest of militarized police. You're talking drones and MRAPs here that would be on the scale of a full on deliberate attack in a combat zone.

I will always stand with our LEOs over any race-motivated, leftist, hypocritical organization. 100%. But, it's just my opinion that although the BLM-style idiots of today are the "threat," the logic I see the police, political right, and even many of us using here could easily be parlayed against Constitutional patriots down the road.

The fact that a remote controlled robot was outfitted with a bomb and used as a RBIED to kill a US citizen on US soil should be generating thoughtful discussion about precedent and ethics. Sadly, too many of us will focus on how big of a piece of sh*t the suspect was to be willing to entertain it. We must realize that to those who will use lethal force against us on behalf of "the State," they believe we are big pieces of sh*t too.

Your recommendation here reads like you would have sniper overwatch hard-scoping a law abiding open carrier during a public protest. I submit the idea that he might view the protection of himself and his fellow protestors as primarily his responsibility. There are over 1 million handgun carry permit holders in Texas. We Texians see ourselves as protectors of the public and don't think that should be left solely to the police. You say you don't want to discourage open carry, but by proposing a militarized response to it that has to be the end result.

The fact that multiple videos showed the "suspect" getting shot at, not shooting, but he was still targeted over social media and via BOLO is because of one thing - he was armed. Being armed was never supposed to make you suspicious or threatening in this country.

Either way, another very sad day where good American public servants are lost and the hypocrisy of the Left ("well unlike mass shootings, now let's not blame the many for the actions of the few!") is on full display.

I must have mis-wrote something here. Not my intention at all.

Will clarify shortly.

Paslode

07-08-2016, 18:02

There is a BLM protest in Lee's Summit, MO tonight as well......nothing planned about al this at all.

How many governemts have been overthrown by grass roots activists during Obama's tenure?

Old Dog New Trick

07-08-2016, 18:46

JGC2

07-08-2016, 19:13

I cleaned up my error. Above edit.

My intention is not to create a militarized police force but, if our police are to take on military trained wackos and determined terrorists with "common in use" military style weapons then they need to be trained and prepared to respond in kind.

Tracking. To take it one step further, this is the reason citizens should have unabated access to all forms of weapons that are available to the State or in common use by criminals and terrorists.

Quick note on open carry vs. legal carry. It is also my opinion that New York, California, Florida, Illinois and South Carolina are in gross violation of the 2nd Amendment by distinguishing between the two. Carry of any kind = legal carry because of Paslode's signature block and the key phrase "shall not be infringed."

Old Dog New Trick

07-08-2016, 21:16

Tracking. To take it one step further, this is the reason citizens should have unabated access to all forms of weapons that are available to the State or in common use by criminals and terrorists.

Quick note on open carry vs. legal carry. It is also my opinion that New York, California, Florida, Illinois and South Carolina are in gross violation of the 2nd Amendment by distinguishing between the two. Carry of any kind = legal carry because of Paslode's signature block and the key phrase "shall not be infringed."

Agreed. Don't want to derail the topic and jump into a 2A thread but yes the definition between right to bear arms and the right to possess arms should be universally applied and accepted. The 2A is quite clear and should not be as confusing as law makers make it out to be. "Shall not be infringed" is used only once and the intent was clear.

I support anyone and everyone who wants to be armed anywhere; concealed or otherwise. If they endanger me, my friends or family, or the general public at large...well, that's where I step up and try to make it right. Use a gun to commit a crime hopefully it's the last thing you do.

PSM

07-08-2016, 21:40

Tracking. To take it one step further, this is the reason citizens should have unabated access to all forms of weapons that are available to the State or in common use by criminals and terrorists.

I agree. That was the intent of 2A. Why were the Redcoats on the march to Concord? To capture or destroy the heavy weapons that were stored there. To the leftest inane question, "Should citizens be allowed to own machine guns?" Or tanks, or rocket launchers, the answer is yes. It would take a rather large militia to own a tank, as was the case in the 18th century to own cannons. The same is true with all large crew-served weapons. But, had they not be available to Gen. Washington's army, we'd all be speaking English today. :D

Pat

Old Dog New Trick

07-08-2016, 21:49

JGC2,

I agree we should debate the use of robotic bomb disposal device to end a standoff.

I don't think it should have come to that. Once he's contained you can order pizza and wait. Wait for days if need be. Jimmy Johns for lunch and Dominos for dinner.

On the other side the police wanted to end it before anyone else was hurt or killed and using the robot to determine if he had IEDs probably made sense.

All day I've gotten a kick out of listening to Chief Brown in his Texas drawl say we used "da bomb" to kill him. I'm sure in hindsight it would have been better to say the Bomb Technician used a robotic disposal machine to investigate the allegation that an explosive device was present and when was was suspected it was detonated, killing the suspect.

I agree that using things like an AT-4 or a Hellfire to end a police situation is still a bit over the top. Not against using a .50-cal Barret to punch through concrete to stop a barricaded subject.

Divemaster

07-08-2016, 22:17

Not against using a .50-cal Barret to punch through concrete to stop a barricaded subject.

A Dallas PD sniper did just that last year, through armored glass I believe, to take out the scat container who attacked their police station.

Divemaster

07-08-2016, 22:37

Here's the cool thing about using a bomb to kill the shooter:

PID of the SOB is through DNA.

Combat Diver

07-09-2016, 00:55

If one compares the reaction of the Police to a active shooter in Orlando and Dallas, Dallas kept the pressure up on the shooter.

CD

Hand

07-09-2016, 07:06

Had a friend here in Phoenix police dept tell me that assholes are calling 911 shouting black lives matter or requesting cops and when they show up people are there waiting to yell at them.

... or worse.

A man who called 911 to report a car break-in Friday ambushed a south Georgia police officer dispatched to the scene, sparking a shootout in which both the officer and suspect were wounded, authorities said. Both are expected to survive.

The shooting in Valdosta, just north of the Georgia-Florida state line, happened hours after five police officers were killed Thursday night in an ambush in Dallas. Despite saying the officer was lured to the scene by the gunman, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation said there was no immediate evidence that the shootings were related.

...

Officer Randall Hancock was shot multiple times as he responded to a 911 call about a car break-in outside the Three Oaks Apartments just after 8 a.m. Friday, Valdosta Police Chief Brian Childress said at a news conference.

"The officer called out on the radio screaming for assistance," Childress said, and officers from multiple law enforcement agencies swarmed the apartment complex.

The GBI later identified the suspected gunman as 22-year-old Stephen Paul Beck and said it was Beck who also placed the 911 call. Both Childress and Dutton described Beck as an Asian male. Charges against Beck were pending Friday as he was being treated at a Florida hospital, Dutton said.

Dutton said one gunshot hit the officer in the abdomen, just below his protective vest. Other shots hit Hancock's vest. The officer, who is white, fired back and wounded the suspect.

Source. (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-exchanges-gunfire-georgia-police-officer-40434452)

Five-O

07-09-2016, 07:12

If one compares the reaction of the Police to a active shooter in Orlando and Dallas, Dallas kept the pressure up on the shooter.

CD

Dallas PD seems to have done just that but Orlando PD was dealing with different circumstances ....so red delicious apples to granny smith apples.

Team Sergeant

07-09-2016, 11:01

Dallas PD seems to have done just that but Orlando PD was dealing with different circumstances ....so red delicious apples to granny smith apples.

Yeah, it will "always" be a different reaction when its your life on the line and not someone else's.

That's where the we, certain military units and the LEO's differ. The lives of others are more important than our own, we accept that, it's our job.

My point being, we would have "never" waited five hours while folks are being shot, unless we were "ordered" to stand down. Like being ordered to stand down by our socialist/muslim masters. Benghazi comes to mind.

Team Sergeant

07-09-2016, 11:22

Little did these morons know what was waiting for them if someone drew a weapon on the police................. to be a sniper again. Maybe I should join Sheriff Joe's possee......;)

Agitators hurl rocks at Phoenix police, chant ‘we should shoot you’
JULY 9, 2016
BY KYLE OLSON

gitators participating in a “Black Lives Matter” peaceful anti-police protest in Phoenix Friday ended it by throwing rocks at officers and threatening to kill them.

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/agitators-hurl-rocks-phoenix-police-chant-shoot/

Utah Bob

07-09-2016, 13:41

All I know is when a police EOD robot comes up to you and says, "Pull my finger", it's a trick. ;)

DJ Urbanovsky

07-09-2016, 14:23

I'll just put this here.

GratefulCitizen

07-09-2016, 16:54

There seem to be certain communities or sections of communities in this country where the police are not welcomed.
The solution is simple: grant the people their wish and don't police those communities.

It may not be long before we see a return to walled cities (or the modern equivalent).

Paslode

07-09-2016, 17:57

Divemaster

07-09-2016, 22:18

Has anyone else noticed that CNN's around the clock coverage of Dallas lasted only a fraction of the time their coverage of everything from Ferguson to Orlando? Gee, I wonder why?

Patrin

07-09-2016, 22:58

After all the coverage I've seen...

Of course, it goes without saying, BLM is a home-grown terrorist organization.

Well, not only are the democrats rabid, evil, communists, they are also a terrorist organization...Obama the commie referencing SC to compare to this shooting, good God, what a vile POS.

We can deal with the muzzies later...first order of business are the commie D's.:mad:

Old Dog New Trick

07-10-2016, 01:38

Over the last few days and after months or years now of protests from BLM and students at Universities demanding their "Safe Space" I think it's about time that law enforcement start doing what I pay taxes for them to do: Enforce the law.

Watching TV the last couple nights and seeing what's going on in the news...it's about time that people are reminded of what is permissible under the Constitution and laws of the country. What is going on in cities across America is not only unlawful it's unconstitutional and will lead to further decay and lawlessness.

Someone is going to get hurt (again or worse) and someone not even involved in the process (or cares) is going to find themselves mired in legal defense.

These protesters that block roads and highways are breaking the several laws, even the courts have said so numerous times. So why are the police and city governments allowing it to continue? It's not helping the situation and costing taxpayers unspeakable amounts of money that could be spent actually doing something to fix the problem.

When will the "leadership" upto and including the president come out and say "enough is enough" do it the right way or don't do it at all!

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/peaceful-assembly/us.php

The First Amendment to the United States Constitution prohibits the United States Congress from enacting legislation that would abridge the right of the people to assemble peaceably.[1] The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution makes this prohibition applicable to state governments.[2]

The Supreme Court of the United States has held that the First Amendment protects the right to conduct a peaceful public assembly.[3] The right to assemble is not, however, absolute. Government officials cannot simply prohibit a public assembly in their own discretion,[4] but the government can impose restrictions on the time, place, and manner of peaceful assembly, provided that constitutional safeguards are met.[5] Time, place, and manner restrictions are permissible so long as they “are justified without reference to the content of the regulated speech, . . . are narrowly tailored to serve a significant governmental interest, and . . . leave open ample alternative channels for communication of the information.”[6]

Such time, place, and manner restrictions can take the form of requirements to obtain a permit for an assembly.[7] The Supreme Court has held that it is constitutionally permissible for the government to require that a permit for an assembly be obtained in advance.[8] The government can also make special regulations that impose additional requirements for assemblies that take place near major public events.[9]

In the United States, the organizer of a public assembly must typically apply for and obtain a permit in advance from the local police department or other local governmental body.[10] Applications for permits usually require, at a minimum, information about the specific date, time, and location of the proposed assembly, and may require a great deal more information.[11] Localities can, within the boundaries established by Supreme Court decisions interpreting the First Amendment right to assemble peaceably, impose additional requirements for permit applications, such as information about the organizer of the assembly and specific details about how the assembly is to be conducted.[12]

The First Amendment does not provide the right to conduct an assembly at which there is a clear and present danger of riot, disorder, or interference with traffic on public streets, or other immediate threat to public safety or order.[13] Statutes that prohibit people from assembling and using force or violence to accomplish unlawful purposes are permissible under the First Amendment.[14]

Kai

07-10-2016, 08:02

This website says he had ties to the nation of Islam. Surprise suprise surprise.

http://popularmilitary.com/dallas-shooting-suspect-u-s-army-veteran/
According to Dallas PD, one of the shooter's aliases was "Fahed Hassen."

https://dpdbeat.com/2016/07/08/investigative-update-regarding-the-deadly-attack-on-police-officers/

Paslode

07-10-2016, 08:02

Old Dog New Trick

07-10-2016, 09:46

^^^^Paslode, fully understand. There are at least two standards applied to everything. Everyone wants to eat cake.

I remember writing something about the use of social media because of the Arab Spring and what took place in Egypt. I'll see if I can find it.

Team Sergeant

07-10-2016, 10:18

JGC2,

I agree we should debate the use of robotic bomb disposal device to end a standoff.

When the "green light" is given I don't care how they decide to end it.

The robot was not autonomous, there was a human pulling the trigger, or in this case hitting the button.

Sdiver

07-10-2016, 11:03

Possible new photos are emerging of the shooter after the DPD officer, Johnny 5, detonated his explosive.

It's also showing the weapon used was NOT an SKS, but a Saiga AK-74 style semiautomatic rifle, which can be seen in the below link ...

https://www.conservativeoutfitters.com/blogs/news/new-photo-of-dead-dallas-shooter-and-his-gun-surfaces-online-graphic

It's been brought up, IF this is a true photo of the weapon used, there would have been at least some damage done to the rifle, especially the optic.

Old Dog New Trick

07-10-2016, 11:42

Why would you suspect damage to the rifle or optic?

Old Dog New Trick

07-10-2016, 11:53

I love the hypocrisy in America. (Not)

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dallas-shooting-black-lives-matter-leaders-respond/

"Black activists have raised the call for an end to violence, not an escalation of it. Yesterday's attack was the result of the actions of a lone gunman. To assign the actions of one person to an entire movement is dangerous and irresponsible. We continue our efforts to bring about a better world for all of us," BLM wrote.

Gee wiz Batman, doesn't sound like the narrative used by liberals to define the actions of a single murderous rampage or a cop doing his job. Let's just lump all those people together with law abiding gun owners and every police officer who dons a uniform. All are guilty of the sins of a few.

Sdiver

07-10-2016, 12:01

Why would you suspect damage to the rifle or optic?

Oh, I don't. It was just brought up on another page/thread.

I was hoping someone here with far MORE knowledge than me would chime in.

But, in my limited thought process, I would think that the detonation used to take out someone wearing body armor, such as apparently this terrorist was wearing, was powerful enough to cause damage to something that is "somewhat" as fragile as an optic.

Old Dog New Trick

07-10-2016, 12:54

Oh, I don't. It was just brought up on another page/thread.

I was hoping someone here with far MORE knowledge than me would chime in.

But, in my limited thought process, I would think that the detonation used to take out someone wearing body armor, such as apparently this terrorist was wearing, was powerful enough to cause damage to something that is "somewhat" as fragile as an optic.

Not if it was shielded by his body and said body armor.

The device that the EOD tech could use would not be shrapnel producing just an explosive compound anything beyond that would be secondary effect.

Sdiver

07-10-2016, 12:58

Not if it was shielded by his body and said body armor.

The device that the EOD tech could use would not be shrapnel producing just an explosive compound anything beyond that would be secondary effect.

Ah, makes sense.

Thanks.

Old Dog New Trick

07-10-2016, 12:59

ODNT,

Surely the Feds have 'advised' the State and Local LE's on how to best deal with these situations......in one why shape of form. For instance Loretta Lynch, Zero and HRC are all 'advising' both sides. Marilyn Mosby and Eric Holder have both set precedent on what happens when Cop's do their jobs.

Google, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube and the MSM were all big players in the Arab Spring and they have all played a major part in the BLM insurgency. If you will recall the US State Department set up a symposium prior to the Arab Spring were major US corporations, PR Firms, Google, Facebook and Twitter 'helped' organize and promote their causes.

Will BLM leaders end up like Wael Ghonim?

Wael Ghonim - http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/books/review/how-an-egyptian-revolution-began-on-facebook.html

Wael Ghonim was nothing more than a useful idiot....

http://www.examiner.com/article/egypt-iconic-revolution-figure-wael-ghonim-barred-from-speaking-tahrir-square

I wrote this for another BB shortly after the up rising in Egypt. (Shortly as in hours or the next day or two)

Part One:

Flash point: historical paradigms of our time.

A few questions to answer: Who will be credited with the greatest coup the world has seen thus far. Was it Osama bin Laden or George W. Bush or some obscure little person like Wael Ghonim (http://www.newsweek.com/2011/02/13/the-facebook-freedom-fighter.html)? Will it lead to peace or war? Has it always been coming and the events of the last decade were inevitable regardless of the events that set the stage for the unraveling of the status quo? The final question… Is oil cause or solution to the greatest upheaval of our time?

In Egypt they are calling this the “Spark”, I don’t know if that bears any resemblance to the movie “Transformers”, but it sounds suspiciously close. The “All Spark” or originator of all things…

No matter what they are calling this or themselves this is the Internet revolution brought to every Internet user around the planet. Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, YouTube, and other social media have become the touchstone of the underground.

Communication has always been one the most important factors in warfare since the beginning of time. Messages delivered a day late or even hours late changed the course of battle. Sometimes depending on which side you were on, for victory or defeat. As times changed and communication went over the airwaves via radio, messages were delivered using encrypted sometimes-cryptic words to the untrained or unprepared (think of the Navaho Indians in WWII.) To thwart the enemies’ ability to decode these messages, encryption methods have always changed with modern technology allowing ample time to carry out a planned attack before the enemy can decode it and prepare a proper defense or counter the attack before it gets underway.

Now, communication is lightening fast. There are so many avenues to transmit information to the intended receiver that even when intercepted, the reaction is slower than the action or misunderstood until it’s too late. There is virtually no need to confuse the message anymore or use clandestine code words to deliver the message. Plain text or HTML, just type it out or scan it and hit the submit button. It’s out there now in electronic space waiting to be received by those intending to receive it. Garbled in transmission to all the billions or trillions of other electronic data bits flying through space from one satellite to another to ground based receivers and transmitters. In mere microseconds tens or tens of thousands can communicate via the World Wide Web (www) via computer, phone or other handheld device. We don’t even need wires anymore. The message is passing through our buildings and our body’s non-stop 24-hours a day. Just waiting to be received and acted on.

What’s all that got to do with our time and this thread? Everything.

Old Dog New Trick

07-10-2016, 13:00

Part Two:

The unrest and social upheaval occurring in the Middle East and North Africa is happening in real time. By the time you read about something or see it on the TV news it’s already recent history. The next group is preparing the next salvo in a battle of ideology and moral conviction to a movement bigger than thy self. What would have been impossible just a few years ago is now possible via the Internet. “How to,” has now become “when to, or where to.” When to rise up, where to assemble… how to carry out whatever it is the messenger wants to accomplish or a desired result to affect change.

We’ve seen over the last few years’ successful and not so successful revolutions to overthrow a government in power. We have seen how word of mouth and peaceful assembly has turned a small group of disinters into a larger following of disinters; take the Tea Party for example or the attempt to change government in Thailand. Orchestrated in small regional enclaves (municipalities and communities far from the seat of power) and brought together at one dominate time, but slowly and without the speed necessary to achieve a victory.

Have you ever played the game where one person tells a simple story and he or she tells it to someone else and it goes around the table? It’s always not the same story that was told in the beginning. Sometimes, not even close…lost in transmission from one perspective to another.

Harking back a bit farther, we can look at Apartheid and the long struggle in South Africa, or segregation in America and how Martin Luther King traveled from town to town to spread one message, a message of inclusivity and acceptance through peaceful protest that we are all humans, no matter the color of our skin.

Now, look at what’s happening in Africa and the Middle East. Instant messaging via Facebook and Twitter is homogenously collecting people and followers from house to house, neighborhood to neighborhood, and city to city, even country to country, to rise up against repression and subversion of totalitarian governments and corruption of power. All’s it takes is a spark or a nudge to knock over the first domino and the chain reaction continues until it runs its course, or is defeated through bloodshed and genocide.

It’s one clear message. Enough! Nothing is getting lost in transmission. The message is clear, it’s understood, and it’s being acted upon by thousands, hundreds of thousands of disenfranchised people at the same time, in the same place; some willing to die in the process for true freedom, true independence from the ruling party.

The momentum right now is on behalf of the people. The best the government’s can do to suppress freedom of speech is to pull the plug on electronic communication. Attempt to stifle the progress of the movement through force and prevent the assembly at a decisive time and place. They, the governments in power are reactionary and the reaction is not going to stop the momentum once it begins. The armed resistance of the government is fear, fear of losing power. How far can they go before the world condemns them for use of force against a peaceful revolt of corrupt power?

The media will report the social media call to action and even the papers and television will continue to carry the message around the world. So the post action blackout is already a reaction. The message will carry on.

Old Dog New Trick

07-10-2016, 13:02

Part Three:

Iran is the birthplace to two modern revolutions. One 32-years ago with guns and henchmen before the advent of the Internet (www.), and one last year post www. The mistakes to understand the power of communication and the failed successes of showing the world through broadcast messages of murder and atrocities by the government in Iran to control the people have been closely followed by the citizens of Tunisia and Egypt. Now, Sudan, Libya, and Bahrain have corrected the actions taken, and once the message is broadcast there is no stopping the call to protest. Well, there is, but the blood spilled will be on the hands of the despot and dictator; and the world will see it for what it is.

One must remember; to seek redress of grievance, all must be responsible in their action and peaceful protest practiced by the protester to petition the government and win global support. Success, even in failure, is that it remains peaceful and without violence. Anarchy and vandalism will turn any success into vengeance, animosity, and repercussions on the movement as a whole. You win no solace by turning your supporters against you, only condemnation. A lesson not learned in the aftermath of 9/11/2001. Vengeance is in the eye of the beholder, but the power to unleash an army on the unwilling, unwittingly will come back to haunt you if your deeds are misplaced or used improperly only to reap the condemnation of the world against you.

The “free world” could have been in a very powerful position right now to support the change rapidly happening in the Middle East and Africa if we had not misused our power to wage war as revenge for an act carried out by non-state supported terrorists. Because of that and other transgressions we are on the sidelines of history and ultimately will be accused of meddling in the birth of new governments and countries who will create their own new ideological path, alliances for protection, and political accords. Some will be our friends if only for political, security, or financial gain and some will remain or become our enemies. Only time will tell which way this continues or ends. It could end well, or very badly.

As history has noted time and again: “The pen is mightier than the sword.” In today’s electronic age the keyboard is mightier than the pen. Use with caution it cuts both ways.

Watch the dominoes fall one by one… where will they stop? Who knows? Will the world be different? You betcha! It might be better than the current status quo. Which isn’t working out too well anyways. The U.S. may be the final domino as this spreads around the world; China will fall – again. If you provide shelter for one night, you will need to provide shelter again and again… if you teach a man to build his own house and allow him the means to sustain it he will have shelter for life. Just don’t build a house of cards predicated on lies, greed, and corruption or it will fall down knocking all the other houses down with it.

The world isn’t over populated – not by a long shot. The population centers are over crowded. We are a wasteful lot and over consume, everything, giving special consideration to resources that feed our insatiable appetite for more and more. We form alliances to protect those resources and profit from building weapons to ensure compliance. We promote consumerism at the expense of sustainability and mask the problem with handy mottos like re-cycling for a better tomorrow, or Green Energy that uses more conventional energy to produce. We place mans’ needs above that of nature and nature for convenience and profitability. Nature is what sustains us, without it we will all parish.

Where we have the available manpower and technical knowhow to improve our conditions and standard of living here on Earth, we seek ways to explore planets beyond as a solution to our problems. If we can spend billions to consider occupying the moon or Mars, why can we not develop the deserts and forests without destroying them to make them habitable for humans here on Earth? It must be infinitely better to carve out an existence in the desert than to transform the moon into a colony. The people of the Middle East have been doing long before Western powers came to be.

For those in power they keep the underlings of their society dumbed down and un-educated so they can remain in power. Only a few will ever escape their position in life, and that’s just the way it is. Not everyone can be a Rocket Scientist and rocket scientists probably can’t grow a vegetable to save their life or understand animal husbandry to deliver a calf. Not everyone wants to be a politician or president or CEO of something. Some people actually like to grow things but get told (and paid) not too. Some people like to sell things to make other’s lives better and they are happy with that. That’s not a reason to hold them down or prevent their children from reaching for higher expectations.

What happens today and tomorrow in the “Cradle of Life” will have far reaching consequences for those looking for a job or holding down a position today. For better or worse things are changing…

In the famous words of Rodney King, “Why can’t we all just get along?”

Bleed Green

07-10-2016, 13:55

Over the last few days and after months or years now of protests from BLM and students at Universities demanding their "Safe Space" I think it's about time that law enforcement start doing what I pay taxes for them to do: Enforce the law.
[14]

I couldn't agree more with you on this point ODNT. I think that the problem that you are seeing with this can be somewhat attributed to the community policing theory that has been in place for quite a while nationwide. While IMHO being proactive in the community is an important component to the job, it seems the mentality has overtaken the primary duty of enforcing laws. There seems to be a delicate balance that should be maintained and to me it appears with all the recent bad publicity and animus most police departments are always in crisis management mode which equates to backing off enforcing the law so you look like a softer gentler LEO which is pretty much what you are seeing now.

The flip side to that is the broken windows theory which equates to a zero tolerance mentality to all crimes minor and major. NYPD adopted that theory in the 90s and I was amazed when I visited NYC in 2005 and saw nothing of what I had expected the Times Square area to be based upon everything I had seen and read about it prior to this trip. The one thing that really surprised me though was how approachable the NYPD guys were. There was a credible threat of a sarin gas attack on the subways during this visit and after seeing tons of cops coming out of the subway with what looked like gas mask pouches in thigh bags I had to leave the bar we were in and ask one of them what was going on. Initially he was reluctant to break, but after I mentioned the thigh bag looking like a gas mask bag he kind of figured it wasn't my first rodeo and talked at length about what was going on. To me this officer and his partner showed a really good balance of the two theories in action.

I think that the problem that this nation is seeing now is finding that balance between officer friendly of the one theory and the more rigid mentality of the other. Those are just my opinions and I fully acknowledge that my insight is not as keen on this topic as those of who are actually doing the job.

Divemaster

07-13-2016, 15:47

So close. Almost a home run.

http://nypost.com/2016/07/12/how-obama-ruined-his-dallas-memorial-speech/

By John Podhoretz July 12, 2016 | 6:39pm

How do you ruin a great speech?

President Obama gave us a master class in doing just that Tuesday at the memorial service for the five Dallas police officers gunned down last week.

For 15 minutes, the president’s speech was — and this is a word I use advisedly — magnificent. It was elevated and powerful and profoundly moving.

And it was unifying, genuinely unifying, in the way the president made clear our commonalities with the police officers whose lives were ended — and our differences, in the sense that they engaged in personally perilous work dedicated to making the rest of us safe that most of us would never dream of attempting.

Most important, he defended the United States against the assertion made so frequently over the past week that the nation is crumbling:

“I’m here to say we must reject such despair. I’m here to insist that we are not as divided as we seem.
“I know that because I know America. I know how far we’ve come against impossible odds. I know we’ll make it because of what I’ve experienced in my own life, what I’ve seen of this country and its people as president.

“And I know it because of what we’ve seen here in Dallas — how all of you, out of great suffering, have shown us the meaning of perseverance, and character, and hope.”

I was a speechwriter for Ronald Reagan, and like all those who have had the inestimable privilege to help craft a president’s words, I’m a connoisseur of the form. Despite his reputation as a stemwinder, Obama has not given an address in his seven years that any serious student would elevate into the pantheon of American oratory.

But as the president’s words flowed and deepened in Dallas, I was sure I was listening not only to the best remarks of his presidency but possibly one of the great presidential speeches of our age.

This was true even though he was making certain arguments with which I did not agree — but because his tone was so beautifully modulated and his argumentation so civil, the president himself got me to listen, pay attention, and respect the seriousness of his contentions.

And then he blew it.

He blew it by going on for almost 25 more minutes, repeating himself endlessly, and broadening his specific focus to a more general preachment about how “we” need to “open our hearts” on the subject of race.

As usual, Obama made strange use of the word “we,” because when he says “we,” he means “you,” and when he means “you,” he means people who aren’t as enlightened and thoughtful as he and his ideological compatriots are.

Worse yet, the excessive length gave rise to a few extraordinarily ill-conceived flourishes that would have been discarded from a more contained and controlled final speech.

By far the most jaw-dropping was his assertion that it’s easier for a poor kid in a struggling neighborhood to get a Glock than a book. That’s not presidential. That’s Bill Maher, or Trevor Noah.

At Gettysburg in 1863, Abraham Lincoln gave the greatest of all presidential addresses. It is little noted that Lincoln was not the keynote speaker.

The stemwinding orator Edward Everett was. He went on for two hours. No one remembers what he said. Lincoln spoke for three minutes and his words are chiseled on the American soul.

In the course of his speech in Dallas, Obama began like Lincoln and ended up like Everett. He was a national healer who became a crashing bore.