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Well, it remains to be seen who's responsible, but we've got an active shooter going on in my hometown, right now. Not surprisingly, the shooter is being reported as speaking Farsi and he is Somalian. I am sick of this shit. Amarillo, per capita, has one of the largest refugee populations in America. The majority are Somalian and Burmese, but we also have Iranians, Iraqis, and others.
Unlike Orlando, our badass PD has made immediate entry and they are going to work.
I'll try to keep y'all posted without putting out too much unconfirmed information.
Team Sergeant
06-14-2016, 11:13
Report: Active shooter, possible hostages at Amarillo, Texas Walmart
Published June 14, 2016
· FoxNews.com
DEVELOPING: Police rushed to a Walmart in Amarillo, Texas Tuesday on reports that shots were fired and a gunman may have taken hostages.
Police told KVII it was an "active shooter situation." Officers were evacuating shoppers from the west side of the store, the station added.
There were no initial reports of deaths or injuries.
"Please avoid the area so that officers can focus on the scene and not traffic," the Amarillo Police Dept. said in a statement.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/14/report-active-shooter-possible-hostages-at-amarillo-texas-walmart.html
Team Sergeant
06-14-2016, 11:22
Well, it remains to be seen who's responsible, but we've got an active shooter going on in my hometown, right now. Not surprisingly, the shooter is being reported as speaking Farsi and he is Somalian. I am sick of this shit. Amarillo, per capita, has one of the largest refugee populations in America. The majority are Somalian and Burmese, but we also have Iranians, Iraqis, and others.
Unlike Orlando, our badass PD has made immediate entry and they are going to work.
I'll try to keep y'all posted without putting out too much unconfirmed information.
The untrained ear is not going to recognize the difference between Farsi and Arabic. So, they already have a translator or they know who the muslim is....... I really hope the Amarillo PD doesn't wait 3 hours before giving the perp a dirt nap.
Streck-Fu
06-14-2016, 11:47
Possible employee. LINK (http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Report-Active-shooter-at-Texas-Walmart-took-8126484.php)
The suspect and hostage are believed to be employees and negotiators are attempting to make contact with the suspect.
The shooter is dead and sounds like no other injuries or fatalities. APD made quick entry along with my FD buddies on the RTF's.
Sounds like he was a past employee, could be disgruntled, but his nationality leaves many questions. We shall see.
The Reaper
06-14-2016, 13:26
Well, it remains to be seen who's responsible, but we've got an active shooter going on in my hometown, right now. Not surprisingly, the shooter is being reported as speaking Farsi and he is Somalian. I am sick of this shit. Amarillo, per capita, has one of the largest refugee populations in America. The majority are Somalian and Burmese, but we also have Iranians, Iraqis, and others.
Unlike Orlando, our badass PD has made immediate entry and they are going to work.
I'll try to keep y'all posted without putting out too much unconfirmed information.
Why on Earth would a Somali learn, much less be speaking Farsi (Persian)?
Hey, let's bring more of these Religion of Death worshipers to our country and disperse them across every state. Allow them to spawn freely and attend hate teachings in what passes for their religion.
Where is the harm in that?
TR
Somali's have their own language which is generally a version of Swahili. And many learn Arabic for reading the Quran. I've spent some time there and never heard them speak Farsi, although I guess anything is possible.
Regarding the event In question....if the shooter is dead and he's the only one dead, I guess that's the best possible outcome.
I appologize for the confusion about him speaking Farsi, I knew that was most likely not his native language, being that he is Somali, but the PD was requesting a Farsi speaker. It could have been that they needed a Farsi interpreter for a witness. I don't have the details on that, yet.
One of my brothers on the RTF told us that the Somali said that he was "Doing this for Allah's birthday". Hopefully we will be able to get some info from the investigation, as to whether this was a pissed-off worker, or he's a wannabe Jihadi. I would have thought that he would have at least killed someone if he was a wannabe.
I was happy to see that the PD made quick entry into the building, unlike Orlando PD. It has bothered me that there was a 3 hour lapse in the Orlando incident, before they made entry to kill the fucker. Amarillo is smaller than Orlando and we do not have Disney or anything remotely close to it, so how is it that a small-town PD and FD are more prepared to make entry and kill a bad guy? Hell, even the town south of us, Canyon, Texas population ~13,000, regularly conduct active shooter training and coordination drills.
At least this one turned out good.
What I don't understand is .... If this happened in a Wal-Mart ... AND in Texas .... why was PD even needed?
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I appologize for the confusion about him speaking Farsi, I knew that was most likely not his native language, being that he is Somali, but the PD was requesting a Farsi speaker. It could have been that they needed a Farsi interpreter for a witness. I don't have the details on that, yet.
One of my brothers on the RTF told us that the Somali said that he was "Doing this for Allah's birthday". Hopefully we will be able to get some info from the investigation, as to whether this was a pissed-off worker, or he's a wannabe Jihadi. I would have thought that he would have at least killed someone if he was a wannabe.
I was happy to see that the PD made quick entry into the building, unlike Orlando PD. It has bothered me that there was a 3 hour lapse in the Orlando incident, before they made entry to kill the fucker. Amarillo is smaller than Orlando and we do not have Disney or anything remotely close to it, so how is it that a small-town PD and FD are more prepared to make entry and kill a bad guy? Hell, even the town south of us, Canyon, Texas population ~13,000, regularly conduct active shooter training and coordination drills.
At least this one turned out good.
Two completely different scenarios. A Walmart is gigantic compared to the club in Mousetown, making entry a cinch. From what I've read/seen, this one appears to be a suicide-by-cop. If the shooter had wanted to kill shoppers and staff they would have been dead before your small town PD would have been able to stop it.
Sdiver I agree, that is a good question.
WCH that does make sense to me. I have zero training in PD operations, so those are things I had not thought about. I based my question off of the last active shooter training that we did and I thought that most places had instituted a quick entry to kill the bad guy, as soon as two or three cops got formed-up. Thank you for the points. I am also, definitely, not saying APD is better than OPD. Their actions just seemed contrary to what we were taught.
Team Sergeant
06-14-2016, 15:59
Two completely different scenarios. A Walmart is gigantic compared to the club in Mousetown, making entry a cinch. From what I've read/seen, this one appears to be a suicide-by-cop. If the shooter had wanted to kill shoppers and staff they would have been dead before your small town PD would have been able to stop it.
Actually no, it is not a different scenario. Both are closed buildings and buildings are all treated the same. Entry's are different for different doors, but what's done on the inside is the same. 2-3 story buildings are also the same entry is a little different, but once inside, same tactics.
An active shooter in a smaller space would be much easier/faster to locate and kill and a bit more difficult in a Walmart scenario, just because of the size.
Given the option I'd rather make entry into the smaller building and treat it as a large "room" (a room inside a building).
Oldrotorhead
06-14-2016, 16:38
Sdiver I agree, that is a good question.
WCH that does make sense to me. I have zero training in PD operations, so those are things I had not thought about. I based my question off of the last active shooter training that we did and I thought that most places had instituted a quick entry to kill the bad guy, as soon as two or three cops got formed-up. Thank you for the points. I am also, definitely, not saying APD is better than OPD. Their actions just seemed contrary to what we were taught.
Reports through 911 stated the shooter had a bomb vest, and the building was known to have a large number of potential hostages were factors in Orlando that did not come into play in Amarillo.
Team Sergeant
06-14-2016, 17:54
Reports through 911 stated the shooter had a bomb vest, and the building was known to have a large number of potential hostages were factors in Orlando that did not come into play in Amarillo.
Once shots are fired it's go time. Chicken-shit is chicken-shit plain and simple. Read up on "active shooter" responses.
Based on what I've read and what we were taught, there is no more waiting for the perp to continue killing people. Much of this is based on the events at Columbine, Aurora, LAX, and several others. Would the outcome have been any different at Beslan or if a similar thing occurred here and fire teams made immediate entry? I guess the bad guys could go ahead and blow it up, but they may do it anyway and there is no bargaining with these assholes, either.
This may not be a fair or accurate comparison, but not making immediate entry by PD because there could be devices would be like me not making entry into a structure because it's already on fire. We signed up knowing we could die and fires don't stop until they're extinguished and killers don't stop killing until a bullet puts them down.
They don't amount to much in such a situation, but these are my thoughts on it.
Team Sergeant
06-14-2016, 22:13
Based on what I've read and what we were taught, there is no more waiting for the perp to continue killing people. Much of this is based on the events at Columbine, Aurora, LAX, and several others. Would the outcome have been any different at Beslan or if a similar thing occurred here and fire teams made immediate entry? I guess the bad guys could go ahead and blow it up, but they may do it anyway and there is no bargaining with these assholes, either.
This may not be a fair or accurate comparison, but not making immediate entry by PD because there could be devices would be like me not making entry into a structure because it's already on fire. We signed up knowing we could die and fires don't stop until they're extinguished and killers don't stop killing until a bullet puts them down.
They don't amount to much in such a situation, but these are my thoughts on it.
And you would be correct, when the shooting starts you go in, device or no device. Or you can sit and wait three hours and be called a chicken-shit.
This is why the American military gets paid the big bucks..(not). We kill when the light turns green and when you have islamic terrorists the only way to stop them is by putting them down.
Cops are cops, not warriors.
Team Sergeant
06-14-2016, 22:17
They knew who he was..... and this explains the farsi. (My first language was farsi....)
And this is the difference between Texas cops and Fla cops. ;)
So far Texas is 3-0 vs. muslim terrorists! :D
Immigrant Mohammad Moghaddam Takes Hostages at Amarillo Walmart – Is Shot Dead by Police
Jim Hoft Jun 14th, 2016 6:15 pm —
Police have identified the suspect who opened fire at a Walmart store in Amarillo this afternoon as Mohammad Moghaddam, 54.
Mohammad Moghaddam, an immigrant, came to Amarillo with his family eight years ago from Iran.
Immigrant services from Amarillo would not discuss with reporters whether they helped relocate the family to the Amarillo area.
Police say Mohammad was upset he was passed over for a promotion so he took his manager and another person hostage.
He was shot dead by police.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/muslim-mohammad-moghaddam-opens-fire-amarillo-walmart-shot-dead-police/
Divemaster
06-14-2016, 22:29
I declare this an Honor Suicide, something that should be embraced by the Islamic diaspora. There's no need to take others with you to make your point. Your daughter wears make up and listens to Maroon 5? Kill yourself. Ash, housewares, beats you out for that promotion? Kill yourself. Statement made, and I applaud you for your restraint in your fanaticism.
They knew who he was..... and this explains the farsi. (My first language was farsi....)
And this is the difference between Texas cops and Fla cops. ;)
So far Texas is 3-0 vs. muslim terrorists! :D
Immigrant Mohammad Moghaddam Takes Hostages at Amarillo Walmart – Is Shot Dead by Police
Jim Hoft Jun 14th, 2016 6:15 pm —
Police have identified the suspect who opened fire at a Walmart store in Amarillo this afternoon as Mohammad Moghaddam, 54.
Mohammad Moghaddam, an immigrant, came to Amarillo with his family eight years ago from Iran.
Immigrant services from Amarillo would not discuss with reporters whether they helped relocate the family to the Amarillo area.
Police say Mohammad was upset he was passed over for a promotion so he took his manager and another person hostage.
He was shot dead by police.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/muslim-mohammad-moghaddam-opens-fire-amarillo-walmart-shot-dead-police/
Oldrotorhead
06-15-2016, 07:13
Once shots are fired it's go time. Chicken-shit is chicken-shit plain and simple. Read up on "active shooter" responses.
I will start reading about active shooter responses.
Based on what I've read and what we were taught, there is no more waiting for the perp to continue killing people. Much of this is based on the events at Columbine, Aurora, LAX, and several others.
The biggest "Other" being the events of 9-11. Before that in this country at least planes got hijacked to take some dumbass to cuba or to try and get a payday... so the thought was to not resist. Now the thinking is different.
I declare this an Honor Suicide, something that should be embraced by the Islamic diaspora. There's no need to take others with you to make your point. Your daughter wears make up and listens to Maroon 5? Kill yourself. Ash, housewares, beats you out for that promotion? Kill yourself. Statement made, and I applaud you for your restraint in your fanaticism.
I agree completely. Brilliant!