50 Murdered in islamic terrorist attack Orlando, Fla [Archive]

Team Sergeant

06-12-2016, 08:56

islam, the religion of peace.

Folks to thank for this shooting, barry soetoro, hitlery cliton, and all the socialist liberals.

50 killed in shooting at Orlando nightclub, Mayor says
Published June 12, 2016
· FoxNews.com

BREAKING NEWS – A gunman who federal authorities say had possible ties to terrorism opened fire early Sunday morning at a packed Orlando nightclub, killing 50 people and wounding at least 53 more in a bloody scene that ended hours later when police stormed the building and killed the shooter.

Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer asked Gov. Rick Scott to declare a state of emergency following the attack.

The gunman was identified as Omar Mateen, Rep. Alan Grayson said during a Sunday morning press conference. Mateen was a U.S. citizen, Grayson said, though that was "not true of other family members of his." Mateen, 29, lived in Fort Pierce, Fla. He was born in the U.S. to parents of Afghan origin and was a Muslim, Fox News confirmed.

Authorities were going through Mateen's belongings on Sunday morning trying to identify a motive for the attack, Grayson said.

"More likely than not that it was an ideologically motivated attack," Grayson said, though he said it was unclear if Mateen was linked to any terror groups.

cont:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/12/50-killed-in-shooting-at-orlando-nightclub-mayor-says.html?intcmp=hpbt1

Team Sergeant

06-12-2016, 09:05

Remember it's not hate speech when an "American" muslim calls for the murder of gays.

The United West: Gays Must Die Says U.S. Islamic Scholar
by Breitbart TV6 Apr 2016

(THE UNITED WEST) The United West investigative team uncovered a story so disturbing Field Sutton of Channel 9 news in Orlando, FL broke the story on their newscast.

The Husseini Islamic Center of Sanford, FL invited Sheikh Farrokh Sekaleshfar to speak at their Mosque. Dr. Sekaleshfar says the killing of homosexuals is the compassionate thing to do. In a 2013 speech Sheikh Sekaleshfar said this regarding gays, “Death is the sentence. We know there’s nothing to be embarrassed about this, death is the sentence … We have to have that compassion for people, with homosexuals, it’s the same, out of compassion, let’s get rid of them now.”

When Sheikh Sekaleshfar calls for the death of all homosexuals based on the tenets of Islam it can not be ignored, he is an expert on Shariah Islamiyya or Islamic Law.

Islamic Law also mandates a death sentence for blasphemers and apostates, does Sheikh Sekaleshfar and the Husseini Islamic Center Mosque advocate those legal rulings as well?

Also disturbing to some was the response to this call for killing gays from Rev. Bryan Fulwider of the Interfaith Council of Central Florida.

Rev. Fulwider said, “These issues around homosexuality and the decrying of it or denouncing of it by religion takes away, often, from our really important task of helping our community to be a better community … and wishes congregations would focus more on helping the homeless, poor , and abused instead of persecuting a group that can take care of itself.”

cont:
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/04/06/united-west-gays-must-die-says-u-s-islamic-scholar/

Patrin

06-12-2016, 10:33

This happened right down the street from me...a few friends are starting to wake up...finally...and want to get their CCW's. I imagine any trepidation about me carrying my HK 9mm, and a full load of spare mags, in their presence...will vanish (not that there was much to begin with).

Speculating, but I think we are going to find out, as the investigation plays out, and given the body count, that significant planning, preparation and support went into this attack...what kind of support?

When this is ferreted out, the commie's may have one of their cherished protected classes in open revolt.

Team Sergeant

06-12-2016, 11:37

Personally I think we should sue the iron ore miners, copper miners, tin miners, the petrol chemical companies et al. They are one that make the products that produce the islamic assault weapons.

If it was not for them we would not have AR-15's.

I'm also surprised barry soetoro and his socialists have not tied Mr. Trump, the GOP, NRA, KKK, every gun manufacturer, ammo supplier etc. to this islamic terrorist shooting. I'm sure that's coming.

So are more islamic terrorist shootings.

Team Sergeant

06-12-2016, 11:56

You know it took everything Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence had to make that statement. One thing he forgot to mention, Mateen was also a registered democrat. Schiff will probably change his statement and say he misspoke after a heart to heart with islamic apologist barry soetoro.

Shooter pledged allegiance to ISIS before Florida massacre

By Jamie Schram and Tina Moore
June 12, 2016

The shooter who killed at least 50 people at a gay nightclub in Orlando has been identified as Omar Mateen, law enforcement sources told The Post.

Mateen was a U.S. citizen with no apparent criminal history, was born to Afghan parents in New York in 1986 and was living in Port St. Lucie, Fla., according to multiple media reports.

Mateen had committed himself to ISIS before carrying out the bloodiest mass murder in US history at a gay nightclub in Orlando on Sunday, federal officials said.

Mateen “made a pledge of allegiance to ISIS,” California Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, told CNN.

Schiff said the timing and target of the attack can’t be a coincidence.

“The fact that this shooting took place during Ramadan and that ISIS leadership in Raqqa has been urging attacks during this time, that the target was an LGBT nightclub during (LGBT) Pride (month) and, if accurate, that according to local law enforcement the shooter declared his allegiance to ISIS, indicates an ISIS-inspired act of terrorism,” Schiff said.

cont:

http://nypost.com/2016/06/12/suspected-gunman-in-florida-gay-club-mass-shooting-idd/

frostfire

06-12-2016, 12:52

Patrin

06-12-2016, 15:16

I'm also surprised barry soetoro and his socialists have not tied Mr. Trump, the GOP, NRA, KKK, every gun manufacturer, ammo supplier etc. to this islamic terrorist shooting. I'm sure that's coming.

I've listened to others that heard that commie's little proclamation...evidently, it took everything in him to even utter the word "terror", but, as sure as the sun rises, he finishes it off with gun control.

That dog isn't going to hunt...and after a few days, Trump is going to unleash on the impotence of this administration, Hitlery wanting more than 60,000 refugees in the US, and the commie party's inability to utter the words "islamic terrorism".

JGC2

06-12-2016, 17:24

Libs blamed Pamela Geller when her art show was attacked in Texas for "bringing it on herself" by engaging in an activity that was insulting to Islam. I wonder if we'll see the same analysis here...

Old Dog New Trick

06-12-2016, 18:23

Libs blamed Pamela Geller when her art show was attacked in Texas for "bringing it on herself" by engaging in an activity that was insulting to Islam. I wonder if we'll see the same analysis here...

How long does a snowball last in hell?

This was the guns fault! Nobody to blame or point fingers at; without access to assault rifles and explosives this murderous crime would never have happened.

Since it's two protected classes it can't even be a hate crime (whatever that is) and ultimately he was pissed off because they didn't have a pedophile approved restroom. (All the signs had recently been removed and it caused confusion; even for a goat fucker)

Ultimately, and no one has come out and said it yet but the LGTBQRSTUVWXYZ community brought this on themselves for flaunting their beliefs against Sharia law. Because we all know, the Constitution is a obsolete, pointless and discriminatory document that is only followed when convenient for the liberal masses to stand behind when someone disagrees with them. :rolleyes:

Abu Jack

06-13-2016, 05:02

How the f*&k does one guy shoot over 100???!! This was the perfect sheeple target.

ddoering

06-13-2016, 06:30

You'd think that if he was rushed by 100 people he would have only gotten a few.

Hand

06-13-2016, 07:13

You'd think that if he was rushed by 100 people he would have only gotten a few.

I just laughed a little imagining 100 swishing, flamboyant homos sashaying their way
towards a dude with a gun, flapping their wrists around in the air and hollering about tolerance and safe spaces.

hahahahaha

Razor

06-13-2016, 07:14

How the f*&k does one guy shoot over 100???!! This was the perfect sheeple target.

Relatively easily when no one is taking any kind of offensive action against the shooter, similar to the VA Tech shooter killing 32 and wounding 17 with a Glock and a Walther P22. Hell, he probably had time for a cigarette or two between mag changes.

Streck-Fu

06-13-2016, 07:25

I just laughed a little imagining 100 swishing, flamboyant homos sashaying their way
towards a dude with a gun, flapping their wrists around in the air and hollering about tolerance and safe spaces.

hahahahaha

I reminded everyone I know that is gay and on social media, that this group exists: http://www.pinkpistols.org/about-the-pink-pistols/

Armed queers don’t get bashed. We change the public perception of the sexual minorities, such that those who have in the past perceived them as safe targets for violence and hateful acts — beatings, assaults, rapes, murders — will realize that that now, a segment of the sexual minority population is now armed and effective with those arms.

Hand

06-13-2016, 07:35

I reminded everyone I know that is gay and on social media, that this group exists: http://www.pinkpistols.org/about-the-pink-pistols/

Well I'll be damned. Good for them.

Team Sergeant

06-13-2016, 09:11

You'd think that if he was rushed by 100 people he would have only gotten a few.

Was thinking the same thing, but these were not men he was killing.

That said, in order to take to a commanding position our muslim boy Mateen had to do some recon. My guess was he was gay and that conflicted with his islamic beliefs. I've no doubts he was in Pulse a few times before the shootings.

Are there no goats in Orlando?

Old Dog New Trick

06-13-2016, 09:13

Streck-Fu

06-13-2016, 09:13

LET'S ROLL! has turned into "Let's Roll over...."

Sohei

06-13-2016, 09:14

Team Sergeant

06-13-2016, 09:23

I see nothing but overtime job security for police officers to make an extra buck and a business proposition for an entrepreneur to create an armed security company expressly for the purpose of protecting clubs, concerts, and public venues.

Obviously G4S security should be out of business shortly.

Lots of folks already doing that and it's an illusion of safety.
How hard would it be to take out the security and then start shooting?

Also, I see law suits, their safe space was breached and they were slaughtered. The club should have had armed guards.....etc.

There is no way to defend against this sort of crap in a free society, well, except remove the muslim population from our nation.

Old Dog New Trick

06-13-2016, 09:27

IMO, the amount of people -- much less men -- who would have the presence of mind to assault someone while reloading in very low percentage wise. Not to mention, while he was reloading, many of them probably didn't have a clue as to why he wasn't firing because -- more than likely -- they have no idea how an AR works.

I can reload an AR in under 3-seconds depending on how long I fumble for a magazine.

Chances are better that anyone lying on the floor were playing dead because we all know that works for bears and not gun man with three hours of time.

The police confronted him outside and when he returned inside all their "Active Shooter" training stopped. WTF over?

People bled to death while the SWAT team negotiated.

Team Sergeant

06-13-2016, 09:32

I can reload an AR in under 3-seconds depending on how long I fumble for a magazine.

Chances are better that anyone lying on the floor were playing dead because we all know that works for bears and not gun man with three hours of time.

The police confronted him outside and when he returned inside all their "Active Shooter" training stopped. WTF over?
People bled to death while the SWAT team negotiated.

Yeah, I think active shooter response went right out the door........ Just like Columbine the police waited while the victims bled out. Police are not warriors and no ones going to fault them for being scared shitless. I think they're done crossing that thin blue line.

Remember the criminal crazy and crusader? You can negotiate with a criminal, and maybe a crazy, but not a crusader.

Old Dog New Trick

06-13-2016, 09:35

Lots of folks already doing that and it's an illusion of safety.
How hard would it be to take out the security and then start shooting?

Also, I see law suits, their safe space was breached and they were slaughtered. The club should have had armed guards.....etc.

There is no way to defend against this sort of crap in a free society, well, except remove the muslim population from our nation.

I'm not saying they have to be overt. In fact better that they aren't even visible. One, two or more depending on the size of the event. Florida and several states have pretty lacks gun laws that would allow a capable force with more than handguns.

Kalifornia, NJ, NY, and Chicago and Connecticut your out of luck. Enter at your own risk, no one here to protect you.

Team Sergeant

06-13-2016, 09:43

I'm not saying they have to be overt. In fact better that they aren't even visible. One, two or more depending on the size of the event.

A remotely fired gun would be nice. Cover your entire venue, not afraid of the bad guy and fires by manual joystick.

Want to bet when the IED's and mass shootings continue this makes it's way into the system.......

ddoering

06-13-2016, 11:52

Are there no goats in Orlando?

Only Alan Grayson.

nousdefions

06-13-2016, 12:48

How the f*&k does one guy shoot over 100???!! This was the perfect sheeple target.

High Heels?

Old Dog New Trick

06-13-2016, 13:06

How the f*&k does one guy shoot over 100???!! This was the perfect sheeple target.

Remember the restroom picture taking during the LAX shooting a few years back? That's how!

Sheep waiting to be slaughtered!

But how do you miss in such a target rich environment. Only 49 killed, 53 injured, out of 300+ in a confined place. Some will have been suffocated others trampled to death.

Sounds a bit like Aurora Movie theater and that media failed to report most deaths occurred as a result of 30-caliber pellets fired from a shotgun, others .40-cal handgun and most of the injured had been shot with .223-caliber bullets. Those that died from .223 were hit in vital organs or head.

I will be waiting for the AAR and how many are victims of police fire. (It may take several years for the report I suspect.)

Old Dog New Trick

06-13-2016, 13:19

The FBI can't pedal that bicycle backwards fast enough.

Kinda sad watching them. Especially after San Bernardino.

abc_123

06-13-2016, 13:59

Remember the restroom picture taking during the LAX shooting a few years back? That's how!

Sheep waiting to be slaughtered!

But how do you miss in such a target rich environment. Only 49 killed, 53 injured, out of 300+ in a confined place. Some will have been suffocated others trampled to death.

Sounds a bit like Aurora Movie theater and that media failed to report most deaths occurred as a result of 30-caliber pellets fired from a shotgun, others .40-cal handgun and most of the injured had been shot with .223-caliber bullets. Those that died from .223 were hit in vital organs or head.

I will be waiting for the AAR and how many are victims of police fire. (It may take several years for the report I suspect.)

I try and stay pretty well informed, but I have never read / heard those details on Aurora. I guess that proves your point.

Old Dog New Trick

06-13-2016, 14:21

I try and stay pretty well informed, but I have never read / heard those details on Aurora. I guess that proves your point.

I should add that IIRC his AR failed him early into the rampage due to his 100rnd magazine and only fired something like 35-42 times before it stopped working all together and he dropped it in favor of the 40cal pistol. He unleashed hell with seven to eight "00" buckshot rounds before all that.

I'll see if I can find the report again. It was still muddy and seemed the coroners reporting on cause of death and the medical reports for those who survived GSW didn't seemingly point this out. (Conveniently lost in translation)

Too much media spin was generated to ban ARs, high capacity mags, and Internet sales of military paraphernalia on-line to worry about reporting the truth.

But maybe my sources are wrong. I'll admit I haven't seen anything as detailed since Sandy Hook and the Connecticut AAR justifying the response by State and Local police agencies.

Joker

06-13-2016, 15:34

...

Are there no goats in Orlando?

No gay male goats in Orlando.

BKKMAN

06-13-2016, 16:31

No gay male goats in Orlando.

Orlando goats weren't good looking enough...

PSM

06-13-2016, 17:17

That said, in order to take to a commanding position our muslim boy Mateen had to do some recon.

Looks like he did:

FORT PIERCE – At least four regular customers at the gay Orlando nightclub where a gunman killed 49 people Sunday morning said today that they believe they had seen the killer, Omar Mateen, there before.

"Sometimes he would go over in the corner and sit and drink by himself, and other times he would get so drunk he was loud and belligerent," said Ty Smith, who also uses the name Aries.

He saw Mateen at the club at least a dozen times, he told the Orlando Sentinel.
"We didn't really talk to him a lot, but I remember him saying things about his dad at times," Smith said. "He told us he had a wife and child."

Orlando Police Chief John Mina said he had no information about those visits.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pulse-orlando-nightclub-shooting/os-orlando-nightclub-omar-mateen-profile-20160613-story.html

Pat

Team Sergeant

06-13-2016, 17:27

Looks like he did:

Pat

Doesn't take a leap to figure it out.

Hindsight is 20-20. The LEO community will find out everything, "afterwards".

I do find it amusing he was not fired from his job because he was a muzzie.

Joker

06-13-2016, 18:57

He had to cover up his sins by killing the witnesses. That explains why he was ignoring the goats.

Patrin

06-13-2016, 20:56

Only Alan Grayson.

Oh, that's great.;)

Doesn't take a leap to figure it out.

Seems like good recon...I don't buy that he might have been gay, given past G4s co-worker reports...
a properly targeted venue by a pos that knew his target.

There still some spla'nin to do on his middle east visits...indoctrination...training...bueller...

mark46th

06-13-2016, 21:03

"He saw Mateen at the club at least a dozen times, he told the Orlando Sentinel."

Sounds like a muzzy with latent homosexual tendencies, who couldn't reconcile his belief in Islam with his hidden feelings about being a peter puffer...

abc_123

06-14-2016, 07:09

Was thinking the same thing, but these were not men he was killing.

That said, in order to take to a commanding position our muslim boy Mateen had to do some recon. My guess was he was gay and that conflicted with his islamic beliefs. I've no doubts he was in Pulse a few times before the shootings.

Are there no goats in Orlando?

Looks like you called it. Closet pillow-biter.

News report that I saw had even the other gays at the bar staying away from him because he was "weird". So he was probably failing at getting as ,much d**k as he wanted in addition to being a failure in the eyes of his father, and his imam and his cult as a whole. Sounding like he was beating on his wife and beat his first wife too... why, because his cult taught him that they are second class and not worth much and well probably because he could and it made him feel better. Maybe he beat them because they couldn't give him the d**k that he really wanted. Who knows? What to do when you are an abject failure and an embarrassment? Easy... just latch onto the cult's teaching about martyrdom and waging war against the evilwest and go out in a way that makes up for all that. Oh and he did it while killing gays so he hit the spiritual trifecta (and made daddy happy).

So what will we learn from all this? Ban assault rifles and guns with high capacity magazines. We need to teach more acceptance of LBQTZYXY people. We need better mental health care. More jobs. Islam is really a peaceful religion that has been misinterperated by a small minority and hijacked to do evil.

abc_123

06-14-2016, 07:34

Oh and the other thing that maybe we can learn is that if a muslim says that "xxxx" type of people should be killed, or if they actually say that theyare going to kill a bunch of people? (there is a former co-worker that says that the killer said that) You might just want to take him seriously.

VVVV

06-14-2016, 10:35

GratefulCitizen

06-14-2016, 11:22

I believe that would apply to anyone, not just Muslims.

Indeed.
It should especially apply to millions of currently law-abiding gun owners who won't tolerate their rights being infringed.

MOLON LABE

funnyman

06-14-2016, 12:24

IMO, the amount of people -- much less men -- who would have the presence of mind to assault someone while reloading in very low percentage wise. Not to mention, while he was reloading, many of them probably didn't have a clue as to why he wasn't firing because -- more than likely -- they have no idea how an AR works.

If you look at the video of the recent murder in the Israeli cafe, folks will see that no one charged the two gunmen - everyone instinctively ran away. Yes, the situation was different in that there were two assaulters and the duration was much shorter, but I think only military/LEO and a very select few civilians have the mindset to do a react-to-close-ambush battle-drill. These days, civilians are conditioned for flight rather than fight. JMHO.

Hand

06-14-2016, 13:43

Indeed.
It should especially apply to millions of currently law-abiding gun owners who won't tolerate their rights being infringed.

MOLON LABE

Amen! :lifter

Divemaster

06-14-2016, 22:59

If you look at the video of the recent murder in the Israeli cafe, folks will see that no one charged the two gunmen - everyone instinctively ran away. Yes, the situation was different in that there were two assaulters and the duration was much shorter, but I think only military/LEO and a very select few civilians have the mindset to do a react-to-close-ambush battle-drill. These days, civilians are conditioned for flight rather than fight. JMHO.

That flight-before-fight reflex is a real thing in any society that has not, as a whole, had to do much fighting. Even Israel. I suspect an American club in 1946, or an Israeli club in 1949, 1968, or 1974 might react differently than almost any location in 2016.

I don't despise the sheep for being who they are. But I have grave moral issues with any society that coddles its citizenry into preferring their wounds come from the rear rather than the front. I do not believe that people, who in their final moment cower rather than attack, deserve to die.

I just wish more sheep, when faced with a lone wolf, could do simple math.

SouthernDZ

06-15-2016, 11:55

Now that there's evidence the Orlando shooter was shooting from behind, I suspect he'll be disavowed by the muzzies in short order.

PedOncoDoc

06-15-2016, 12:43

Now that there's evidence the Orlando shooter was shooting from behind, I suspect he'll be disavowed by the muzzies in short order.

...or, they still lay claim and state that this is the only way for gays to get to paradise...

DIYPatriot

06-15-2016, 13:01

...or, they still lay claim and state that this is the only way for gays to get to paradise...

Wonder what kind of virgins a LGBQRSTUV jihadist receives from allah? Is it a grab bag of sorts? Talk about a conundrum.

SF_BHT

06-15-2016, 13:55

Wonder what kind of virgins a LGBQRSTUV jihadist receives from allah? Is it a grab bag of sorts? Talk about a conundrum.

No conundrum.... He gets a heard of gay sheep and goats.......:p

GratefulCitizen

06-17-2016, 14:29

Old Dog New Trick

06-17-2016, 14:57

I'm not qualified to determine if this guy has made a good assessment.
Many here are.

Does his analysis make sense?
http://opinion.injo.com/2016/06/256993-im-former-nypd-heres-why-i-suspect-there-was-more-than-one-shooter-in-orlando/

No. You would not need to be a highly trained person to exact that kind of damage given the time he had and the environment he was in. Ray Charles likely would have hit something per every trigger pull.

As far as witness statements to multiple shooters. The police have already mentioned that they may be responsible for some of the casualties.

I think the biggest reason there are so many dead is they bled out given the time the police chose to negotiate.

We know 9mm and 5.56/223 but we don't know type of bullets. That will ultimately show whether over penetration was a factor: ball ammo - one shot - two, three or more hits.

VVVV

06-17-2016, 15:57

I'm not qualified to determine if this guy has made a good assessment.
Many here are.

Does his analysis make sense?
http://opinion.injo.com/2016/06/256993-im-former-nypd-heres-why-i-suspect-there-was-more-than-one-shooter-in-orlando/

He wasn't there, he doesn't have all the facts, so IMO, he's talking out of his ass. Plus interjecting politics into it takes away any credibility he may have had.

Old Dog New Trick

06-17-2016, 16:19

He wasn't there, he doesn't have all the facts, so IMO, he's talking out of his ass. Plus interjecting politics into it takes away any credibility he may have had.

I thought he lost his credibility when he stated former NYPD.

GratefulCitizen

06-17-2016, 16:30

Kinda thought his assessment didn't make sense, but I wouldn't know.
Other untrained rampage shooters have killed many in much shorter periods of time.

He had hours, and nobody was willing to fight back.

(1VB)compforce

06-18-2016, 06:04

I'm not qualified to determine if this guy has made a good assessment.
Many here are.

Does his analysis make sense?
http://opinion.injo.com/2016/06/256993-im-former-nypd-heres-why-i-suspect-there-was-more-than-one-shooter-in-orlando/

I wonder if his 20% accuracy rate includes the civvies hit by stray rounds?

https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20160519/midtown/nearly-two-dozen-bystanders-struck-police-shootings-since-2010-nypd

Team Sergeant

06-18-2016, 11:18

He wasn't there, he doesn't have all the facts, so IMO, he's talking out of his ass. Plus interjecting politics into it takes away any credibility he may have had.

We talking about barry soetoro ? :munchin

Streck-Fu

06-20-2016, 14:02

And now the wife was not smart enough to be an accomplice? This is way to close to hitting all the Conspiracy Theory points...LINK (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/information-emerges-orlando-nightclub-shooters-wife-39969088)

Go Devil

06-20-2016, 14:54

No conspiracy there.
Fucktard found a retard to marry.
Junior high and he applauds 911? Need to hang the fucking parents from a street lamp.

And now the wife was not smart enough to be an accomplice? This is way to close to hitting all the Conspiracy Theory points...LINK (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/information-emerges-orlando-nightclub-shooters-wife-39969088)

doctom54

06-20-2016, 15:49

No conspiracy there.
Fucktard found a retard to marry.
Junior high and he applauds 911? Need to hang the fucking parents from a street lamp.

Concur

frostfire

06-20-2016, 23:27

so much for the accusation that the restaurant represents hate towards gays.

http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/chick-fil-a-sunday-orlando-terror/2016/06/16/id/734238/

Sohei

06-21-2016, 07:10

Good for them. I have always supported their stands and still do even more so now.

They are consistent, which is a rare trait today!

VVVV

06-21-2016, 08:36

Was the decision to open, based on corporate policy, or was it a local franchise decision? Big difference!

craigepo

06-21-2016, 08:45

Was the decision to open, based on corporate policy, or was it a local franchise decision? Big difference!

It's rather consistent with how the company at large is operated.

Sohei

06-21-2016, 08:49

Was the decision to open, based on corporate policy, or was it a local franchise decision? Big difference!

From the article:

"A representative for Chic-fil-A Corp. said in an email that there have been rare cases that "move our local operators to respond with food donations to help communities in need." The company said it did not know how many local restaurants or employees were involved in the donations Sunday, and that the restaurants were not open to the public."

DIYPatriot

06-21-2016, 11:06

Was the decision to open, based on corporate policy, or was it a local franchise decision? Big difference!

Here's a little more background:

Normally Chick-fil-A is closed on Sunday so workers can go to church or spend time with their families or just sit on the front porch in a rocking chair and wave to passersby. So when I received word through some of our readers that several Chick-fil-A restaurants in Orlando had opened their doors on Sunday – I was a bit intrigued.

Hours after the gunman had massacred 49 people and wounded dozens more in the Pulse nightclub, the community sprang into action.One of the most inspiring photographs showed hundreds and hundreds of people waiting in long lines – for hours to donate blood.

Team members at two nearby Chick-fil-A restaurants figured those folks must be getting hungry. So somebody flipped on the lights and they started frying chicken. Before long they were serving sandwiches and nuggets and sweet tea to all the folks waiting to donate blood – along with a host of law enforcement personnel.

“We love our city and love the people in our community,” a team member wrote on the restaurant’s Facebook page.

The following day many of their restaurants provided free chicken biscuits and orange juice to firefighters and police officers and first responders.
Full article (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/06/14/chick-fil-did-what-on-sunday.html)

Pete

06-21-2016, 11:27

Was the decision to open, based on corporate policy, or was it a local franchise decision? Big difference!

During one of the bigger ice storms in IIRC Atlanta one of the large intersections was shut down trapping a great many drivers.

The nearest C-F-L opened with what staff could get in and they started serving meals to those who could make it to the store. Some of the workers walked down to the traffic jam and handed out food to those who stayed in their cars.

I'd say they do what needs to be done without expecting any thanks from the left or the MSM.

VVVV

06-21-2016, 11:58

Back in the '70s somewhere in Maryland driving along an interstate that was bogged down by very dense fog, a McDonald's near an exit offered free drinks and any food they had left to travelers that were stranded there. They remained open overnight, even after all the food was gone to provide restrooms and a safe haven for stranded motorists.

They certainly didn't do it for media attention and it wasn't because of Corporate policy it was an individual owner/managers decision.

Pete

06-21-2016, 12:11

Back in the '70s .......

Wasn't there a show about the 70's?

Got any stories of Fast Food joints - other than C-F-L - from the past 5 years or so?

VVVV

06-21-2016, 12:50

Wasn't there a show about the 70's?

Got any stories of Fast Food joints - other than C-F-L - from the past 5 years or so?

I stopped eating in fast food joints in the '80s, since then the only time I have been in one is to take a leak. I've never had the pleasure of pissing in a C-F-L.

Pete

06-21-2016, 14:40

I stopped eating in fast food joints in the '80s, since then the only time I have been in one is to take a leak. I've never had the pleasure of pissing in a C-F-L.

Well, somebody has been pissing in your cornflakes the last few weeks.

Why you so down on C-F-L?

Streck-Fu

06-21-2016, 17:49

Officers made entry then called off for SWAT...
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/police-told-not-to-pursue-orlando-shooter-for-‘15-or-20-minutes-—-could’ve-been-longer’-until-swat-arrived/ar-AAhoFZB?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

Can any one explain why officers armed with rifles inside the club are told to hold then extract?

Cornwell said they never saw Mateen; he said the shooter had vanished inside the dimly lit club as Cornwell and the other officers followed the sounds of screams and echoing gunfire to the bathroom area where they presumed the gunman was now holed up. He said they aimed their assault rifles toward that area as the sounds of gunfire stopped. He said that they then followed orders to hold their position for what he described as “15 or 20 minutes — could’ve been longer” until the SWAT team arrived.

How many people bled to death in those 3 hours before the stand off ended?

VVVV

06-21-2016, 18:11

Well, somebody has been pissing in your cornflakes the last few weeks.

Why you so down on C-F-L?

Can't recall the last time I had a bowl of cornflakes, but probably was about 60 years ago.

I don't care one way or another about C-F-L, never been in one, and most likely never will.

BTW, isn't it C-F-A?

Old Dog New Trick

06-22-2016, 12:59

Chances are better that anyone lying on the floor were playing dead because we all know that works for bears and not gun man with three hours of time.

The police confronted him outside and when he returned inside all their "Active Shooter" training stopped. WTF over?

People bled to death while the SWAT team negotiated.

Follow up based on recent info (both news and other) and reporting after the Monday morning quarterbacking.

One off-duty officer (working security for the club) immediately engaged the shooter from outside the club but was unable to stop him from gaining access. A flood of club goers exiting the building made a bad situation worse but, that's what's expected. He called for assistance, which arrived almost immediately (within minutes.)

The first officers on scene began to control events that were chaotic and at least four (according to their training) gained access into the building with long guns in under five-minutes* (from first shots fired) and began a deliberate search (for multiple threats) following screaming and gunfire. Clearing rooms in the dimly lit building and continuing movement to gunfire. Gun fire stopped.

In less than a minute or two (estimated) they had cornered the shooter in a bathroom and (according to reports) all gun fire ceased. The situation became a 'barricaded hostage event' and was no longer an 'active shooter event.'

It is unknown at this time if anyone else was shot by the shooter during this stand-off. Or if the shooter had run out of sufficient ammo to continue the attack. (Speculation on my part)

Again there are no reports of gunshots during the nearly two and half hour stand-off.

During this time police and first responders evacuated patrons and victims from secured areas inside the club. This is above and beyond in my opinion and is not in protocol.

The shooter took to Facebook and other social media and made repeated phone calls between himself and 911 and hostage negotiators. Towards the end of negotiations the shooter claimed to have (upto) five suicide vests and claimed more explosives (remotely detonated) in a car in the parking lot (clearly a diversion) but one that added to the calamity of the situation at the time.

In the last phone call between the shooter and the police the shooter stated that he was going to strap explosives on hostages and himself to cause a final event...

Within moments the police SWAT guys detonated a breach on an exterior wall adjacent to the suspected location. This partially failed so a Bearcat vehicle was used to breach the wall. An ensuing gun battle broke out and the shooter was dispatched. (Either he had enough ammo left for that or it was one sided.)

No explosives were found!

Two guns and an unknown number or type of magazines have been reported.

The investigation has not revealed how many rounds were expended by either the shooter or the police and how many victims may or may not be friendly fire.

Overall my opinion has changed from WTF happened to "active shooter response" to great job guys! What a cluster F'k handed to you by someone with just enough training and weapons to be truly dangerous in a dark building filled to capacity with non-hostile intoxicated partygoers.

I doubt any department or agency could have done better given the circumstances.

Maybe only better if a specially trained team with thermal/night vision, flash-bangs, and experience could have ended this at first glance.

Well done OPD, surrounding PD and OPD SWAT. Well done!

* Five to seven minutes of carnage. Unknown number of shots fired and 49 dead, 50 wounded out estimated 300 in a confined dimly light, loud, and confusing space where exits were insufficient and either not used or overwhelmed. Some patrons either lying down to be trampled, some choosing to hide in inescapable inner rooms; all to be executed or gravely wounded. Some probably crushed and asphyxiated in confined hallways.

Anyone remember the Station nightclub fire of February 20, 2003? 100 dead and over 200 injured? It happened again in a Brazil nightclub resulting in over 230 killed.

Where is the nearest Exit? It may prove to save your life when seconds count help may be minutes away.

Sohei

06-22-2016, 13:20

^^^Very good report. Thanks for the post!

Streck-Fu

06-22-2016, 13:24

The Orlando Sentinel published a timeline of events: LINK (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pulse-orlando-nightclub-shooting/os-orlando-pulse-nightclub-shooting-timeline-htmlstory.html)

tonyz

06-23-2016, 07:02

An interesting article in the WSJ. Defeating the ISIS social media campaign has been discussed here a number of times.

Defeating ISIS on the Digital Battlefield

A public-private partnership is needed to destroy the terrorists’ virtual state.
WSJ
By R. James Woolsey and Chip Register
June 22, 2016 6:38 p.m. ET

Clearly, the U.S. and its allies can and should meet Islamic State on the battlefield, whether in Syria or Iraq. But the war with the ISIS “virtual state”—those the terrorist organization inspires over the internet, like Omar Mateen in Orlando—will be much harder to fight and will go on long after ISIS ground forces are driven into mountains and caves.

This virtual phase of the war is going to require a massive intelligence effort based on a deep capability to look into real-time human behavior in the digital world: what people are saying on social media, what people are browsing on the web, where people go, what they buy, who they chat with. Only through a significant investment in monitoring the digital fingerprints of all of us will we be able to identify patterns of behavior in real time that identify threats before they materialize.

In the past decade, we’ve seen rapid development in the breadth and sophistication of social media and the “dark web” that enables terrorists to go undetected. But there have been similar advancements in data collection and analysis that let us find bad actors before they strike.

The world creates 2.5 quintillion bytes of data every day; 90% of all data existing on the planet is less than 24 months old. That’s a big area in which to hide if you’re a bad actor. To find them, we will need intelligent computers to chase them through the digital landscape.

Winning this phase of the war, and keeping people safe every day as they go about their lives, will entail winning a technological space race. “Moving at the pace of government” won’t ensure our individual and collective security. We need a more formalized public-private partnership with the focus of the Manhattan Project and the funding of the Mercury and Apollo space programs to study the issue, map out capabilities, assign responsibilities, guide development and allocate resources. The critical success factor here will not be the amount of money spent, but speed, efficiency and effectiveness.

We also need a public-relations campaign with two primary objectives: to disrupt and delegitimize the message of ISIS both in the U.S. and abroad, and to restore confidence in our civic institutions so law-abiding citizens can have a more productive discussion about the balance between data privacy and security in America.

The U.S. has competent, accountable and well-intentioned intelligence capabilities. We need to turn them loose on this threat using the latest in data science and artificial intelligence. Anyone who has worked in or near the U.S. intelligence community can attest to the fact that no one there is interested in “your damn emails,” to quote Sen. Bernie Sanders. Rather, they work 24/7 looking for threats that could manifest themselves as catastrophically as they did this month in Orlando.

The U.S. bombing campaign and eliminating ISIS strongholds in Iraq and Syria will hurt the terrorists’ cause substantially. But it won’t prevent another Orlando. We also have to attack the “virtual state” on the digital battlefield and degrade its message and capability to influence the lone wolf, finance a cell or purchase a weapon of mass destruction.

Mr. Woolsey is chairman of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies’ Leadership Council and a former director of the CIA. Mr. Register is CEO of Sapient Consulting.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/defeating-isis-on-the-digital-battlefield-1466635130