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Earlier this month, a professor at Santa Monica College led students in an ‘EcoSexual Sextravaganza’ in which participants ‘married the ocean.’
Amber Katherine, a philosophy professor who helped organize the May 14 event, explained to Campus Reform that the purpose of the “wedding” was to bring about a deeper love for the planet through “ecocentric passion and even lust.”
The ceremony began with Bruce Cartier, a former SMC student, proclaiming to those gathered at Santa Monica Beach that “today we stand upon this holy earth and in this sacred space to witness the rite of matrimony between the sea and us all.”
Next, leaders of the event distributed rings to the students, announcing “with this ring, I bestow upon the sea the treasures of my mind heart and hands—as well as my body and soul. With the power vested in us, we now pronounce you ‘married to the sea.’”
http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7622
The Wedding (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVkxaNfgBco)
Ho, boy. It was one thing when it was a bunch of homeless hippies in the '60 and '70, but these are college students with voter registration cards (but without ID I would guess).
Pat
RCummings
05-27-2016, 17:55
PSM,
California is a large state filled with many people. To continue to point out that there are peculiar people out here seems to be painting the state with such a broad brush that it could not be held by one mans hands.
From your profile you may have been one of the many men that I saw as I stayed up watching the nightly news waiting to see my father who was in Vietnam. I still have enormous respect for those men they will all, always be my Heros. Like the men and women since before that time and afterwards there have been great Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Airmen from this state.
I see many profiles on this great forum that show the location as California, they are most likely smarter than I am by not responding. I would just like to say that whenever I have been away from my home state and hometown, Bakersfield, I missed it greatly. I don't have anything bad to say about the peculiarities of the other states they just aren't home. There are probably many folks who would say the same of their State and hometown.
As far as the "news" story that you quoted or copied, I have to say that there are stories so outta-whack these days from all over the United States of America that I don't even know where to begin, maybe there should be a contest to see who could find the strangest...I doubt yours would qualify, no disrespect intended.
Much respect as always to all the veterans that read this.
Bob
California is a large state filled with many people. To continue to point out that there are peculiar people out here seems to be painting the state with such a broad brush that it could not be held by one mans hands.
I know, I just moved here from L.A. after living there for 35 years. It went from R to D in those years and the Ds have a super majority in the legislature now.
From your profile you may have been one of the many men that I saw as I stayed up watching the nightly news waiting to see my father who was in Vietnam.
How so? :confused:
I have been away from my home state and hometown, Bakersfield, I missed it greatly.
The Central Valley, and many of the other parts of the state, are suffering because of idiots like the ones in the video, and their parents, and the legislators that they elect.
As far as the "news" story that you quoted or copied, I have to say that there are stories so outta-whack these days from all over the United States of America that I don't even know where to begin, maybe there should be a contest to see who could find the strangest...
Few other states pose the possibility of disaster that California does for the nation.
Pat
CAARNG 68W
05-27-2016, 18:24
Yeah; but was there a good reception?
Did the Ocean rise to the occasion?
RCummings
05-27-2016, 19:28
PSM, "11B, 67-70"?
For me this indicated that you may have been in Vietnam, simply showing the level of respect for the soldiers I grew up watching on the news. It makes zero difference to me if you were or were not there, that era, those folks and my family showed me what I was supposed to do as an American.
As far as the "D's and R's" and the asinine crap that is going on in the "government" of United States of America, out where I live and where I grew up those people leave that malarkey at the door, nobody around here gives a hang about any of it.
As far as the Central Valley, we take care of the problems that interfere with us, others can dictate our water it's our job to solve the problem, we always have and always will, same goes for any other problems that come up.
The L.A. basin, (although my family lived there from the teens to the 50's when my Grandpa was gunned down then they moved to Bakersfield), I mean no disrespect when I say that I don't go down there or up to the Bay Area, I have no business there.
I don't have any idea how to fix the things that are going on in the different states although some jokes come to mind, (they end with, "at the bottom of the ocean"). I personally believe that the people steering this ship are far to greedy to ruin anything, (like California), that may cost them money.
Respect,
Bob
PSM, "11B, 67-70"?
For me this indicated that you may have been in Vietnam,
Nope, wasn't me. You'll probably never meet one, I've only met one other, but not every 11B was in Viet Nam back then. Korea and Germany had a few, too, and I was on Okinawa guarding stuff.
Pat
Did the Ocean rise to the occasion?
I was wondering if this was a consensual act. And does this mean there has to be another letter added to the LGBTQ phrase thingy?
ETA...Damn...my avatar just took on a whole new level of meaning.
ddoering
05-28-2016, 06:23
The land of fruits and nuts. If only the northern part could secede.
Golf1echo
05-28-2016, 09:05
I was recollecting yesterday that in the late 70s through the 80s there was a mass exodus out of Calif. and into neighboring states such as Washington. Idaho, Montana, Utah, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico. They were often referred to as the Cappuccino Cherokee Bunch, now I don't know what happened in California back then ( first Brown tour?) but it does seem that places like Colorado became much more liberal from that point on.
Generally they had a good bit of money from selling in California and tended to build much larger and fancier homes than were typically built and that had a big impact on places along the Front Range in Colo. It makes me wonder now what did happen in California back then?
What?
Al those people at the beach and no one had a fishing pole?
That's just wrong.
What?
Al those people at the beach and no one had a fishing pole?
That's just wrong.
Can't fish from the beach but the piers have plenty of fishermen on them and almost every beach city has a public pier.
Pat
Team Sergeant
05-28-2016, 10:56
Looking at that bunch I'd say the ocean was gang raped........:munchin
It makes me wonder now what did happen in California back then?
Well, I lived through it and can't really tell you; it's probably like a fish not noticing the water.
My best guess is that it was because the '60s radicals, like tom hayden, went into politics and education and spread their radical ideas to the younger generations. They pushed tough environmental laws, rent control, higher minimum wages, and fought against new refineries and power plants, especially nuclear. They came up with special additives for gasoline that eventually caused an environmental disaster causing gas stations to have to install all new storage tanks, all of which increased the cost of fuel to citizens who had long daily commutes.
This is just stuff off the top of my head. I blew up when our son's science teacher assigned her students , without parental notice, homework requiring them to list all items in our medicine cabinets. Thanks to a parents' revolt, she retired after that semester.
And all of this was before it really got bad. :D
Pat
RCummings
05-28-2016, 15:14
G1E,
Been pondering the mass exodus from CA in the 70's and 80's to Colorado and other states.
During that time frame the Central Valley had problems with oil and ag prices which had a dramatic effect across the board for employment. Some of us joined the Armed Services and others chased work to all corners of the US and the world, (in the case of the oil business), the times were difficult. As far as the folks that we have all heard of, the people who left and took there, "big house attitude", with them the only thing that I could come up with is that possibly the housing market in their area took off and they cashed out and moved where their money would go far and the location would be beautiful. I don't personally know anyone like that but, I can say that we received a healthy dose of a similar type of people during that time frame, we had inexpensive housing and the work picked up. I never asked where they came from, the ones I did talk to came from all over. Consequently our housing skyrocketed and many folks left, ('03 to '06), for more affordable housing This pricing was 100% driven by investors from out of the area. Maybe John Denver perpetuated the rainbows and unicorns view of trees, mountains and animals. (We always love the views traveling thru the states you mentioned).
One other point, in regards to the type of people inhabiting CA and other places is what they are being taught in school. My wife just finished a junior college course and it was shocking what passes for education, it was more akin to indoctrination. It appears that in a very few years the type of, to me, abhorrent behavior exhibited across our nation will be commonplace in all aspects of our life, Democrats? I don't think so, more like there will be no difference at all between parties, leadership/membership, not even the poor excuse for a charade that politics are now. In my opinion there will be no choice for the children growing up in this environment, not even the remote areas.
The "OP" story that started this thread is just a symptom of what is happening from the Atlantic to the Pacific, and we are all funding it.
I would like to apologize for the behavior of Californians that move to other states and bring their cancer with them, I won't, if you don't like them in your neighborhood get rid of them, if you don't like their commie/socialist views don't tolerate them.
Now I probably need to get out my dictionary and look up, oh my goodness, intolerance.
Guard and teach your children well, if you don't someone else will...
Respect,
Bob
RCummings
05-28-2016, 15:25
I was hoping to read your viewpoint on this subject PSM, thank you, I could only cover 1974-present with some gaps. Did the passing of prop. 13 have anything to do with this exodus?
How was L.A. in the late 70's as far as the housing market?
Respect,
Bob
Did the passing of prop. 13 have anything to do with this exodus?
How was L.A. in the late 70's as far as the housing market?
Respect,
Bob
Prop 13 probably had the opposite effect, people who would have been taxed out of their homes were able to stay in them. Our neighbor, in Hermosa Beach, who's slightly retarded and living on SS benefits, is still living in the house where he was born in the late '50s or early '60s. Without Prop 13, his annual tax bill would be well over $10,000. In fact, his mother, who he lived with until her death, would have had to sell in the early '80s. It's the politicians and the real estate agents and developers that hate Prop 13.
We bought our house in 1985 during a housing slump. When we sold it 25 years later, the tax bill tripled!
Pat
Badger52
05-28-2016, 16:26
The land of fruits and nuts. If only the northern part could secede.Born & raised SoCal; left in '69. Back then actually a rather conservative southern half was praying for the northern part to just go away, perhaps join up with Oregon - but secession would've worked since it cuts two ways, fine with us back then. Alternatively, anything north of Santa Barbara & west of the coastal range could've just fallen into the ocean (with occupants) & not have been missed. All gone now.
RCummings
05-28-2016, 17:00
PSM,
We saw the same thing from '89 to when we sold in '03. Bought our home for 94950.00 and you literally could not give it away, several of our neighbors tried to have us take over payments and many walked away from their homes. Our house was at @ 89k from when we bought till about '02 and then homes doubled in value in about 1 year.
Investors saw the cheap homes and were buying so we had, like many others, multiple offers. One way that we noticed something was afoot was the number of rentals increased dramatically. The homes being built during the time frame of '02 to '06 increased in value dramatically until the bubble burst.
When the price went up some of the folks cashed out their home and moved to larger homes/more taxes in the same area. I had a job offer with relocation out of state so we sold, but not to an investor.
I'm still wondering who all the folks are that moved to all these other states and gave California transplants a bad name, I hear that story all the time, is it investors, transplants, rich people, people chasing jobs? I was a transplant for about 6.5 years, small town Minnesota, same old story, "you from California?" yep.... I ended up leaving, I have no regrets, nice place, not my
cup 'o tea.
So, I am one of those hated transplants chasing work that I have been hearing about, interesting, I just figured that out, just so there is no doubt the blame for not fitting in lies with me.
Maybe the folks who don't like California transplants can simply point out that they don't fit in and they will leave on their own, worked for me.
Respect,
Bob
mojaveman
05-28-2016, 18:35
I was recollecting yesterday that in the late 70s through the 80s there was a mass exodus out of Calif. and into neighboring states such as Washington. Idaho, Montana, Utah, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico. They were often referred to as the Cappuccino Cherokee Bunch, now I don't know what happened in California back then ( first Brown tour?) but it does seem that places like Colorado became much more liberal from that point on.
Generally they had a good bit of money from selling in California and tended to build much larger and fancier homes than were typically built and that had a big impact on places along the Front Range in Colo. It makes me wonder now what did happen in California back then?
In '73 my parents bought a 2,500 sq. ft. house on an acre that was an hour east of Los Angeles for 30K, by '80 it was worth 100K. Many people sold around that time and began moving to other places. Many people also left because of the rise in the cost of housing and living expenses.
I'm still wondering who all the folks are that moved to all these other states and gave California transplants a bad name,
Two reasons, politics and too much money. And we were guilty of one of them. Californians who voted to screw up California, and decided to move because they screwed it up, started voting for the same crap that they did in CA. They also sold real estate at a price much higher than where they moved to but, for tax reasons, they had to re-invest it.
Unfortunately, we paid at least twice the going rate for our 10 acres and that skewed the local market for awhile. The first thing we did after moving here was get rid of our CA tags. We've since bought more acreage nearby but, by doing our homework, drove the price back down to where it should be.
Pat
RCummings
05-28-2016, 20:10
PSM,
Thank you for your response. I'm always learning from this forum, many people who have vast experience. They say that you gain experience from bad decisions, they never said that you had to make the bad decisions. My wife and I came back from Minnesota and moved far away from the things that happen in town. The area is not to the liking of the folks with money and money makes very little difference here. We like it this way. Hopefully you have what you were looking for.
Respect,
Bob
IMHO as far as the Bay Area goes you know what you get; a truly beautiful but overpriced region filled with every kind of nut under the sun. This might be a cycle, and while we all have empathy for those down on their luck, the homeless issue, or more specifically the increase in confrontations involving the homeless is definitely on the rise in SF. I've lived in NYC and Chicago and understand large urban areas have homeless people, this is different.
I've witnessed more incidents in the past year than the previous decade, several in areas that are the "good" parts of town. In SF it seems attributable to, accommodating local policies, a relatively small geographic space for the population, and hamstrung law enforcement.
There is a nice little park across from the Ferry Building which is usually filled with families on a sunny day. By my count three quarters of the folks lying around in the grass recently were homeless. It wasn't like this even a year ago, and reminded me of an episode of the Walking Dead, to be fair nothing happened, but it's clear this equation is evolving into something to avoid going forward.
I lot of folks I know, especially those with kids are thinking its time to get out of Dodge, at least to the suburbs. I didn't realize so many folks on this board had lived in Cali at some point.
Golf1echo
05-29-2016, 10:41
I lot of folks I know, especially those with kids are thinking its time to get out of Dodge, at least to the suburbs. I didn't realize so many folks on this board had lived in Cali at some point.
Grew up staying Summers from San Diego/ La Joya, San Clemente, New Port, Pacific Palisades San Fernando Valley, Carmel, Pacific Grove to San Francisco... fond memories of night fires on the beach, the pounding of abalone, the coastal highway, the California Zephyr, missions, Avocado trees, artichokes, tacos, the neon signs of San Fran, Old Town, Balboa Park, the quaintness of Carmel, Pacific Grove, Monterrey and our woody station wagon.....
Not sure if the Dodge I perceived as a boy ever really existed but I probably couldn't afford parking in some of those areas today.
RCummings
05-29-2016, 10:55
AKV,
I met many folks that work in the "Bay Area" and live in trailers in Gold Country, e.g. Placerville, they can't afford/don't want to live, in the area where they have worked for 20 years.
The policies that you speak of, are they "bought and paid for"? This is what we think from down here looking up there. Sadly this policy making is what destroys beautiful places, in my opinion, across this nation. I can't really see the transplants that I know having enough political power/money to make the changes that people talk about, possibly just a convenient excuse for the failure of the citizens to govern their area?
Respect,
Bob
Rcummings,
I'm not sure if it's a failure to govern so much as devoted adherence to the inevitable failures of socialism. While economics certainly play a factor like anywhere else, I don't recall the aggressive homeless situation like this even at previous market pricing tops like 1999 or 2007. Then again, 8 years of Obama has gutted our nation worse than any foreign power ever could.
RCummings
05-29-2016, 21:41
akv,
We have seen the same thing on the central coast, Morro bay, Cayucos, inundated with the homeless. Even with the wildlife out here in the National Forest, plenty of bears, mountain lions, and boar to bother those who try to stay overnight we still see some who try. The homeless/mentally ill/addicts haven't made it as far out as we are, they have about 10 miles of bad road left before they get to us. I do feel bad for the folks that think that all these, "poor people", need is a hand up/out, the other ne're-do-wells hear about the freebies and come running. I really don't understand why people can't or won't clean up their towns although I know the giving souls who perpetuate this crap by taking care of professional panhandlers. The only time these folks leave is when there is no more free food/ride. This situation does not seem to be associated with the economy simply the availability of free food and a decent seasonal climate. I have noticed in the news that a lot of these folks are junkies. Could it be connected to the opiod prescription/heroin problem?
As far as the "transplant problem" my wife moved from CA to MN in '74 no problem, when we moved in '03 from CA to MN there was a problem. Some of these so-called natives, (of CA), that are transplants causing problems should be looked at a little closer, are these "transplants" just passing thru from place to place and CA was just the latest? CA has a bucketload of folks passing thru the land of milk and honey.
The jokes about fruits and nuts can be added to the steers and queers and the rest of the things the Drill Sergeants said, (until they figured out I was from Bakersfield and I didn't understand what they were talking about), when I arrived at Fort Dix for BCT. I did get my pocketknife back from a kindly okie SGM after graduation.
I don't know about anyone else but there were some strange folks signing up in the late seventies, I can only imagine any number of them having sex with anything including the ocean, getting surgically altered, or any number of peculiar or criminal behaviors. One thing about all that is none were from California and thats a fact.
Respect,
Bob
frostfire
05-30-2016, 05:29
Did the Ocean rise to the occasion?
had they done the ceremony at Phuket, Thailand in Dec 2004, the would have received a "consensual" I do
mojaveman
05-30-2016, 14:39
I don't recall the aggressive homeless situation like this even at previous market pricing tops like 1999 or 2007. Then again, 8 years of Obama has gutted our nation worse than any foreign power ever could.
I think it's even worse down here in Southern California. I've never seen so many people living on the streets, in tents in fields, in their vans and campers, etc. All the authorities do when you call them is just get the folks to relocate somewhere else. The many churches and missions located downtown that provide free clothing and food don't really help the situation either because the homeless congregate in those areas waiting for the handouts.
Another problem that has gotten out of hand is squatting. Parolees, addicts, homeless, etc. will find a vacant house and just move in. If they are there for a certain amount of time the owners actually have to fight them in court to get them evicted. Happened to a friend of mine with one of his rental properties.
Last hard class
06-03-2016, 12:02
I think it's even worse down here in Southern California. I've never seen so many people living on the streets, in tents in fields, in their vans and campers, etc.
And Shazam! Problem solved.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/los-angeles-weighs-a-millionaire-tax-aimed-at-ending-homelessness/ar-BBtPg0a?li=BBnb7Kz
What societal ill can't be cured by raising taxes? It's a got darn panacea.
LHC
Team Sergeant
06-03-2016, 13:23
And Shazam! Problem solved.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/los-angeles-weighs-a-millionaire-tax-aimed-at-ending-homelessness/ar-BBtPg0a?li=BBnb7Kz
What societal ill can't be cured by raising taxes? It's a got darn panacea.
LHC
Brilliant ! And what happened in very socialist France when this was implemented ?
From the minds of morons. This is a lose lose situation. And when the millionaire's leave by the hundreds there's tax revenue that was there before now gone forever.
I am beginning to believe that being liberal/socialist is a true mental disorder.
Badger52
06-03-2016, 15:20
I am beginning to believe that being liberal/socialist is a true mental disorder.:cool: