View Full Version : The Coward Bowe Bergdahl, court-martial delayed until February 2017
Team Sergeant
05-17-2016, 12:45
LOL, now you're going to prison you little coward. I don't think the slimball obama can pardon you for a court-martial that has not played out yet. I hope you get life you bottom-feeding coward.
Bowe Bergdahl court-martial delayed until February 2017
Published May 17, 2016 FoxNews.com
Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who walked off his combat outpost in Afghanistan and spent five years in captivity, will be court-martialed under a new commander-in-chief.
cont:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/17/bergdahl-court-martial-could-wait-until-after-november.html?intcmp=hplnws
I hope you get life you bottom-feeding coward.
There is a better option...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrtS2_TfbeY
xollie316
05-17-2016, 20:21
I am of the belief we should have moved hell and high water to get the young man back in American hands. If for no other reason than we did not know for certain what lead to his terrible choice that day. Additionally, the United States punishes American Soldiers, not the Taliban.
That said, I hope they slam him with the most stringent punishment possible. Coward. All you had to do was complete your tour, come home, and you can whine and complain on social media like a large portion of other vets that never left the firebase to find a reason to complain.
You risked American lives on patrols to come find you when you went missing. Men gave their lives for you. I hope there is some justice for their sacrifice.
Team Sergeant
05-18-2016, 13:30
I am of the belief we should have moved hell and high water to get the young man back in American hands. If for no other reason than we did not know for certain what lead to his terrible choice that day. Additionally, the United States punishes American Soldiers, not the Taliban.
That said, I hope they slam him with the most stringent punishment possible. Coward. All you had to do was complete your tour, come home, and you can whine and complain on social media like a large portion of other vets that never left the firebase to find a reason to complain.
You risked American lives on patrols to come find you when you went missing. Men gave their lives for you. I hope there is some justice for their sacrifice.
You're a nice person, I'm not, I would have killed him before I returned him to the United States.
I read enough stories from the lads in his unit, I think they would have killed him also.
xollie316
05-18-2016, 21:24
You're a nice person, I'm not, I would have killed him before I returned him to the United States.
I read enough stories from the lads in his unit, I think they would have killed him also.
I certainly understand the sentiment and don't besmirch others for that opinion.
My conclusion has been that the members of his former unit 'thinking' that he was a coward and traitor is not a conviction nor did they know for certain the events that led to his leaving that base. What if they were wrong? Did he leave a note saying he was starting a new life or did he not?
We know now (in all likelihood) they were correct, however I think it would have been a very dangerous precedent to set.
If there is even the slightest chance he was a legitimate POW than like I said, hell and high water. Sort it out when he is home.
Additionally, I prefer to see American citizens tried and convicted in the US, no matter their crimes.
That said... screw him. He's a coward and a traitor I hope he gets exactly what is coming to him.
The frustration with this issue is the fact that he has not been dealt with. At this rate he'll be drawing a retirement check before he is ever convicted. If he is going to openly serve then his ass out to be in some grunt unit. I am sure there is a shortage of E-5's somewhere and that they would love to have him, at least for a day or two.
The wheels of justice turn slowly, but these are turning suspiciously slowly.
Timing is everything....
craigepo
05-19-2016, 12:54
That's a smart move on delaying this until after the general election and swearing-in of a new president. Assuming that we get a decent president (insert snarky comment here), we have a much better chance of a tough sentence sticking. I don't trust Obama one iota---he would pardon this guy in a heartbeat. If he's gone, much less chance of that happening.
This is not a hard case to prosecute. Hell, Bergdahl gave video confessions. The prosecutors are playing chess, not checkers. This might just end up happening the way it should.
THEN we shoot the son of a bitch.
THEN we shoot the son of a bitch.
“That’s right boy…and then we go get Fletcher!” – J. Wales :lifter
Of course it's delayed. The current administration doesn't want this verdict on their hands. Bunch of weak ass individuals.
Team Sergeant
05-19-2016, 13:52
Like it or not he is a US citizen and has the right to due process Anytime we start deniying even one person that due processor any rights we are destroying everyone rights Now after due process if found guilt I have no problem with him bein executed but we must maintain his rights in order to maintain ours.
No, no he doesn't. Desert in the face of combat and what happens in the military?No, no he doesn't. You sound very "liberal" with this statement.
The military is not a democracy. And yes, I would have no problems killing such a piece of shit.
Oh and please tell me how the drone strikes killing Americans joining the muzzies are not stripping the American citizens of their Constitutional Rights?
PedOncoDoc
05-19-2016, 14:01
Of course it's delayed. The current administration doesn't want this verdict on their hands. Bunch of weak ass individuals.
Do you think it is that, or that the prosecutors want to prevent the opportunity for a presidential pardon?
Ret10Echo
02-07-2017, 09:40
Oh great....
In the court-martial of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, prosecutors and defense attorneys are sparring over whether comments by President Donald Trump have denied the alleged Army deserter a right to a fair trial. In new court filings leading up to his April trial, defense lawyers argued the case should be dismissed under the principle of undue command influence, now that Trump is the commander-in-chief. They pointed to 40 separate remarks the President made on the campaign trail – including calling Bergdahl a traitor and saying he should be thrown from an airplane. But prosecutors said there was no undue influence because Trump was not the President at the time he made those comments, and that he was using terms like “treason” and “traitor” in a colloquial way. Bergdahl is charged with desertion and misbehavior before the enemy, and faces up to life in prison if convicted. (Federal News Radio (http://federalnewsradio.com/government-news/2017/02/prosecutors-bergdahl-to-get-fair-trial-despite-trump-jabs/))
bblhead672
02-07-2017, 14:07
Geez maybe Bowe Bergdahl and Bradley Manning will get out at the same time, hook up and live happily ever after. :munchin
Team Sergeant
02-07-2017, 16:47
That piece of shit should have never made it out of Afghanistan alive.
Even if Trump had been POTUS when he made his comments we have a precedent regarding this type of presidential opining. If that argument did not work for Charlie it should not work for the traitor Bergdahl.
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DIYPatriot
02-08-2017, 07:57
Yeah - there's been quite a bit of presidential opining in legal cases. Funny how some are so quick to forget these things. This is just one of several.
rsdengler
02-10-2017, 12:22
That piece of shit should have never made it out of Afghanistan alive.
Totally agree, he abandoned his post, put his fellow soldiers lives at risk, and he is in every word a traitor to this Country. American soldiers died searching for that little imp, he is getting off way too cheap.....:mad:
This asshat should be in prison orange with a buzz-cut. He dishonors the uniform.
Now, the defense asshats are trying to blame Trump for the fact that they don't have a leg to stand on!
Bergdahl Hearing Expected to Focus on Criticism from Trump
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/02/13/bergdahl-hearing-expected-focus-criticism-trump.html?ESRC=todayinmil.sm
RALEIGH, N.C. — Lawyers for Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl will try to convince a judge that he cannot get a fair trial on charges of desertion and misbehavior before the enemy because of highly charged statements made by President Donald Trump.
A pretrial hearing Monday before a military judge at Fort Bragg is expected to focus on statements that Trump made during the presidential campaign. Trump called Bergdahl a "traitor" repeatedly and said he deserved a harsh punishment.
Bergdahl is scheduled for trial in April. He is accused of endangering the lives of soldiers who searched for him after he walked off his post in Afghanistan in 2009.
Military prosecutors say reasonable observers would understand that Trump's comments amounted to campaign rhetoric and should not be taken literally.
Habu-MFFI 175
02-15-2017, 18:59
Sure they will blame anyone but that guilty bastard.
LTC Sinclair's lawyers made the case that Obama's comments towards sexual assault in the military unduly influenced the impartiality of him getting a fair trial. I do not recall if it was successful or not.
Bergdahl doesn't have the amount of money that Sinclair had to throw at lawyers. Though it's possible that the ACLU or some other activist group might put something into the coffers of the traitors defense.
Don't know how it'll turn out, it's bound to be both interesting and disgusting.
Team Sergeant
02-17-2017, 11:32
Traitor/Coward Bowe Bergdahl
This is what the "left" is good at, never ever take the blame/responsibility. Instead when guilty as hell blame someone else, Wag the Dog, or look for an excuse.
Traitor/Coward Bowe Bergdahl you should have never been allowed to wear the uniform of the United States Army and you should have never been allowed to walk off the battlefield alive. You are nothing but a bottom feeding, Traitor/Coward, scumbag.
rsdengler
02-17-2017, 11:43
Traitor/Coward Bowe Bergdahl
This is what the "left" is good at, never ever take the blame/responsibility. Instead when guilty as hell blame someone else, Wag the Dog, or look for an excuse.
Traitor/Coward Bowe Bergdahl you should have never been allowed to wear the uniform of the United States Army and you should have never been allowed to walk off the battlefield alive. You are nothing but a bottom feeding, Traitor/Coward, scumbag.
Well, I do need practice on the firing range eventually....it is totally disgusting that this is lingering on. He is a little rat ass traitor and should be dealt with accordingly; shark chum comes to mind :)
Trump wasn't CIC at the time. How far back in a persons history is he/she responsible to the law? If, when he was 4 yrs old, he told his sister he was going to kill her if she stepped on his toes again, does that make him a threat to women?
Fake court.
Badger52
02-24-2017, 21:15
Good call in my view. Full story. (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/24/judge-wont-throw-out-bergdahl-case-over-trump-comments.html)
A military judge won't throw out charges against Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl despite scathing comments that President Donald Trump made on the campaign trail.
Bergdahl's lawyers had argued that Trump's comments violated their client's due-process rights and that the judge should dismiss charges accusing him of endangering comrades by walking off his post in Afghanistan in 2009.
The Judge, Army Col. Jeffery Nance, wrote in his ruling Friday that he found Trump's comments disturbing but that they didn't constitute unlawful command influence.
Interesting.....as a candidate Trump was simply a citizen and had no command influence.
To move that chess piece forward into his Presidency would be a huge precedent and a stupid one.
I think the judge to lenient in his comments..... he is interpreting campaign comments.
Why is this turd still a Sergeant? I almost got an Article 15 for using an Army fire extinguisher on a motorcycle that was on fire on the outside wall of the PX! :mad:
Pat
So, just out of curiosity, if Bowe Bergdahl and Bradley Manning were both drowning and you only had time to save ONE of them...
...what kind of sandwich would you make?
So, just out of curiosity, if Bowe Bergdahl and Bradley Manning were both drowning and you only had time to save ONE of them...
...what kind of sandwich would you make?
Ham and cheese, and I'll add some bacon on it for good measure and wash it down with a good cold beer. Of course toasting the day as a very good day.
Ret10Echo
02-25-2017, 09:51
Ham and cheese, and I'll add some bacon on it for good measure and wash it down with a good cold beer. Of course toasting the day as a very good day.
Make it one of those twelve-foot party subs....
Make it one of those twelve-foot party subs....
I see where this went... Bonfire, steak, pork, chicken, and shrimp fajitas with a keg of beer lake-side so all my brothers can eat and drink and watch the water show.
We are getting close to running out of February 2017, when if ever will this POS get his just rewards?
rsdengler
02-26-2017, 12:29
So, just out of curiosity, if Bowe Bergdahl and Bradley Manning were both drowning and you only had time to save ONE of them...
...what kind of sandwich would you make?
I'd go for a nice charcoal grilled cheese burger, medium, on the more pink side with blue cheese......sitting on a lounge chair, listening to classical music with earphones to drown (ha) out the noise.....:p
bblhead672
02-27-2017, 09:18
So, just out of curiosity, if Bowe Bergdahl and Bradley Manning were both drowning and you only had time to save ONE of them...
...what kind of sandwich would you make?
Ham..first I would have to go to the farm and buy a hog, get it butchered and have a ham slow smoked. Go pick it up, swing by the bakery to pick up some fresh bread. Make a little home made mayo, mustard and potato chips. Sit back in my chair with a cold beer and toss a cinder block to whichever one is still alive.
According to the news...............
3 minutes ago
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BREAKING NEWS: @AP: Bowe Bergdahl expected to plead guilty to desertion and misbehavior before the enemy.
I'll know how serious they are about him and his violations once I see the sentence he receives!
Team Sergeant
10-06-2017, 19:16
He's going to plead cause he does not want a trial detailing those that died looking for him. I'm sure he thinks by pleading a judge will be lenient, and he probably will, especially since judges are not combat soldiers.
Bowe Bergdahl I hope they hang you, you're nothing but a bottom-feeding scumbag that should have never left Afghanistan alive.
WTF. Screw him... judge should sentence him to life in the Afghan country side as a butt buddy for the low life’s that he defected to from his base. He will not last long.
What a piece of shit.
Bowe Bergdahl I hope they hang you, you're nothing but a bottom-feeding scumbag that should have never left Afghanistan alive.
That's what should have happened to Bradley Manning.
Badger52
10-07-2017, 10:56
He's going to plead cause he does not want a trial detailing those that died looking for him.Believe I read that the judge gets to hear from stake-holders (vampiric pun intended) at sentencing.
Team Sergeant
10-07-2017, 13:30
Believe I read that the judge gets to hear from stake-holders (vampiric pun intended) at sentencing.
Eight years is all he'll end up serving, maybe a little under seven.
Cause the next corrupt, liberal, communist, ANTIFA president will pardon him. That you can bet on.
ddoering
10-07-2017, 13:37
They will probably give him credit for "time served" with the Taliban.
The plea is a smart legal move on his lawyer's part. I think it might actually be better for the Army too because it avoids him using day(s) in court as a soapbox from which he can try to drum up sympathy and further thumb his nose at the families his actions damaged.
x/S
The plea is a smart legal move on his lawyer's part. I think it might actually be better for the Army too because it avoids him using day(s) in court as a soapbox from which he can try to drum up sympathy and further thumb his nose at the families his actions damaged.
x/S
Additionally, He woun't be able to complain about the judge or jury being bias..
Well, luckily, I think the present administration had to do with it...not directly, but in sentiment..
No help for him there under the current admin...Now the previous...he'd probably be able to skate... JMO of course...
MAGA
Well, luckily, I think the present administration had to do with it...not directly, but in sentiment..
No help for him there under the current admin...Now the previous...he'd probably be able to skate... JMO of course...
MAGA
We can only hope 😉
Does Mom Army allow plea deals??
Could he be asking for a DD plus times served??
Badger52
10-08-2017, 08:55
Does Mom Army allow plea deals??
Could he be asking for a DD plus times served??
Curious sir; what time served would that be?
Curious sir; what time served would that be?
No idea.
This story from the get-go has been one continuing circus, so I would not be surprised if we end up paying him back pay, plus a 50K reenlistment bonus..
&*^)&*^)&^)&*^(&*^(&*^(&*^(&*^ &7 :mad:
Badger52
10-08-2017, 09:25
No idea.
This story from the get-go has been one continuing circus, so I would not be surprised if we end up paying him back pay, plus a 50K reenlistment bonus..
&*^)&*^)&^)&*^(&*^(&*^(&*^(&*^ &7 :mad:Thanks for the sanity check. :) If he was E3 then & E5 now then obviously... aw hell.
Maybe he could get in line for reparations from the Taliban.
"You are number 116,084 - now serving #2."
No idea.
This story from the get-go has been one continuing circus, so I would not be surprised if we end up paying him back pay, plus a 50K reenlistment bonus..
&*^)&*^)&^)&*^(&*^(&*^(&*^(&*^ &7 :mad:
JJ,
He will pay, in Hell for sure. He will pay.:mad:
JMHO,
Holly
Thanks for the sanity check. :) If he was E3 then & E5 now then obviously... aw hell.
Maybe he could get in line for reparations from the Taliban.
"You are number 116,084 - now serving #2."
Well in my day you had to go to a board to get promoted. Guess when you runout on your unit that moves you to NCO rank in the Obama military.
I understand that real POWs have been promoted after captivity but he deserted his post. He should have never been promoted until he was cleared or convicted. That has always been a slap in the face to real soldiers. Sorry rant out.
Badger52
10-08-2017, 15:25
Well in my day you had to go to a board to get promoted. Guess when you runout on your unit that moves you to NCO rank in the Obama military.
I understand that real POWs have been promoted after captivity but he deserted his post. He should have never been promoted until he was cleared or convicted. That has always been a slap in the face to real soldiers. Sorry rant out.Roger, that was going to be my original point as he and a POW are apples/oranges. But as you say diff rules for someone "PR-annointed" by the POTUS at the time.
The Reaper
10-08-2017, 18:53
Does Mom Army allow plea deals??
Could he be asking for a DD plus times served??
Yes.
Not sure, only a few know what is in those envelopes.
In a CM proceeding, my understanding is that he gets the lesser of either the plea bargain, or the sentence.
For those who have read "Red Platoon", by MoH recipient Clint Romesha, he blames the resources being dedicated to the search for our POS deserter to the lack of support for COP Keating / Kamdesh, which was very nearly overrun. Excellent read, BTW.
TR
In a CM proceeding, my understanding is that he gets the lesser of either the plea bargain, or the sentence.
Exactly right, the lesser of what is imposed by the court or what the
convening authority has agreed to approve, for each of four categories:
1 - Confinement
2 - Forfeiture of Pay and Allowances
3 - Reduction in Grade
4 - Punitive Discharge
Example:
PRETRIAL AGREEMENT:
1 - Confinement = 2 years.
2 - Forfeiture = all pay and allowances.
3 - Reduction = E-1.
4 - Discharge = Bad Conduct Discharge.
SENTENCE IMPOSED BY THE COURT:
1 - Confinement = 5 years.
2 - Forfeiture = 2/3 pay and allowances.
3 - Reduction = E-1.
4 - Dishonorable Discharge.
NET RESULT:
1 - Confinement = 2 years ("saved by the deal").
2 - Forfeiture - 2/3 pay and allowances ("beat the deal").
3 - Reduction = E-1 (no change, and a reduction to E-1 is
automatic with any confinement anyway).
4 - Bad Conduct Discharge ("saved by the deal").
But in this case there is no pretrial agreement. For better or worse,
he has pled without a safety net. Whatever the judge gives him, stands.
Perhaps that in itself is an acceptance of responsibility.
According to recent reports there was no plea deal.......he simply plead guilty.
Why? I suspect his lawyer thought that a litany of fellow soldiers telling their story, those that knew the men killed looking for him, junior leadership and then the dumb ass comments Bergdahl made to the press would get him the max.
According to recent reports there was no plea deal.......he simply plead guilty.
Why? I suspect his lawyer thought that a litany of fellow soldiers telling their story, those that knew the men killed looking for him, junior leadership and then the dumb ass comments Bergdahl made to the press would get him the max.
The Trial Counsel (prosecutor) can still present all of the "aggravating circumstances" at the sentencing hearing, and that means calling witnesses and presenting evidence as to the effect of the crime committed by the accused.
Once the trial defense attorney has developed a sense of the sentencing philosophy of the military judge, he can advise his client what would probably happen at sentencing even in the absence of a pretrial agreement.
But "Prediction is difficult, especially about the future."
Bergdahl has elected trial by judge alone as to findings (guilty) and sentence. He could have pled guilty and requested a court ("jury") for sentencing purposes only.
That would have been a most unwise move, for at least two reasons:
1 - A court of members would probably hammer him with the maximum just for the bragging rights afterward.
2 - A court of members would not normally* be told that there is no pretrial agreement, and if they are not informed "there is no pretrial agreement" some members may hold out for a maximum sentence, figuring that the accused will be "saved by the deal" and will actually receive punishment no greater than what he was willing to accept in the agreement.
When an accused proceeds at trial by judge alone, the judge knows whether or not there is a pretrial agreement, but if there is one, the judge is not allowed to know what that punishment portion of that agreement is.
The "quantum" portion of the pretrial agreement (the part describing the maximum sentence that will be approved) is placed face down on the court reporter's desk. The accused is asked if he has read it, and understands it, but the judge knows only that there is a pretrial agreement. The judge then proceeds to impose his sentence. When he has pronounced it, the next words out of his mouth are: "Hand me the quantum portion of the pretrial agreement."
The military judge then reviews the quantum portion, compares it to the sentence he has pronounced, and informs the accused of the net sentence.
That does mean that the military judge might also be tempted to sentence on the high side, because he realizes that there is a saving pretrial agreement lying face down on the court reporter's desk when he is done.
By going judge alone, with no pretrial agreement, the military judge knows that "What I say is what he will get" and that may cause him to limit his "high side" sentence options.
*Normally. I have had a case where the court members asked point blank if there was a pretrial agreement. In that case, there was not, and we agreed to inform them that there was not. But out of an abundance of caution, since that same court sat on other courts-martial later in the month, we told them at the beginning of each subsequent trial:
"Questions as to the existence or content of any pretrial agreements in this case are improper, should not be asked, and will not be answered. You are to impose a punishment that complies with the law and the facts as you have been instructed. In particular, you should not impose a more severe punishment than authorized by the law and facts in an expectation that there is any pretrial agreement to reduce that sentence, as reliance on a pretrial agreement may well be misplaced."
craigepo
10-20-2017, 07:32
According to recent reports there was no plea deal.......he simply plead guilty.
Why? I suspect his lawyer thought that a litany of fellow soldiers telling their story, those that knew the men killed looking for him, junior leadership and then the dumb ass comments Bergdahl made to the press would get him the max.
We call those "stand-up pleas" here. They aren't done very often. The defendant's attorney often has a lot of experience with the particular trial judge before attempting this.
I think I had 2-3 stand-up pleas in the last year, and they were all done very well by the defense attorney. Of course, there is risk involved. It's sort of like going for a two-point conversion in a football game. You don't want to do it very often, and you don't want to be in the position to have to do it.
From the FayOb
A little hyperbole I'd say.
Convicted murderer at Bergdahl trial: ‘I got my firing squad standing by’
http://www.fayobserver.com/news/20171029/convicted-murderer-at-bergdahl-trial-i-got-my-firing-squad-standing-by
"FORT BRAGG — An apparent security lapse enabled a convicted murderer to access Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl’s sentencing hearing last week, where the individual made threatening remarks about the former Taliban prisoner, who has pleaded guilty to desertion and misbehavior before the enemy.
George Marecek, 85, was only a few feet from Bergdahl on Wednesday when he turned to another individual seated in the courtroom gallery and said: “I’ll be glad when this crap is over. I got my firing squad standing by.” Marecek’s comment was overheard by a Washington Post reporter. Bergdahl’s attorneys overheard him make other threatening statements, and a member of the sentencing proceedings alerted authorities...."
Many of us older guys know GM.
George Marecek has certainly earned his right to an opinion regarding Bergdahl.
Streck-Fu
10-30-2017, 05:53
George Marecek
Sentenced to 30 years in prison in 2001. Paroled on August 11, 2003
Paroled after 2 years... Wow.
Nothing but dishonorable discharge. All the rest of the punishment is the same as a DUI off post
The POS who Susan Rice declared was a "soldier who served with honor and distinction" receives a DD but no prison time.
BTW, where are the five murderous bastards Osama Obama released to gain the recovery of this shithead?
This is what happens when politicians work together for America.
There's no merit in or excuse for this sentence.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/03/politics/bowe-bergdahl-sentenced/index.html
I cannot see how Bergdahl can live with himself. His record will precede him for the rest of his miserable existence. And he thought he could not get a fair trial.
I suspect he will make a fortune on the bacha bāzī party circuit??
I hope the guys & families, that were hurt by this ass-hat, sue his ass off..
:mad:
Judge Nance, this morning, sentenced him to a Dishonorable Discharge, Reduction to E-1, and fined $1000 for 10 months.....
sfshooter
11-03-2017, 11:03
Desertion used to be the one thing that was not often done. Mostly I think because of the stiff penalty (death) involved. Not to say there weren't desertions, I just don't think it was very popular.
This judge has now set a precedence that desertion in war time is not a big deal and soldiers lives lost looking for a deserter are not a big deal! I expect this will be more common place now since the penalties aren't that steep!:mad:
The standard has been set .......
I suspect he will make a fortune on the bacha bāzī party circuit??
I hope the guys & families, that were hurt by this ass-hat, sue his ass off..
:mad:
If he tries to get a book deal. all money Should goto the injured
SouthernDZ
11-03-2017, 11:43
His lawyers have just stated they will appeal the dishonorable discharge so their client can receive the benefits "he desperately needs and so richly deserves."
Just when I thought the JAG corps couldn't sink any lower......
Great work Nance......just freaking great.
rsdengler
11-03-2017, 12:20
Hummmm, well let's just hope that little F'ing-Traitor gets what's coming too him... What Comes Around Goes Around....Karma is a bitch.....:D
His lawyers have just stated they will appeal the dishonorable discharge so their client can receive the benefits "he desperately needs and so richly deserves."
I can't compose my temper enough to reply to the lawyer of this shithead or the dipshit Army asshat who passed this non-sentence.
I can't get Susan Rice's stupid comments out of my head (like a fart in a jar), the Rose Garden bubbles blown by the former turd, but especially I can't account for the release of the five murderous bastards from Gitmo who are back in service killing the innocent.
bblhead672
11-03-2017, 14:16
His lawyers have just stated they will appeal the dishonorable discharge so their client can receive the benefits "he desperately needs and so richly deserves."
I hope this scum is found laying face down in a ditch soon. And his lawyers too. Hopefully he will develop chronic neck pain from looking over his shoulders all the time.
Pisses me off worse than I have been in a long time. Not much honor left in the military it seems.
Team Sergeant
11-03-2017, 15:05
Just when I thought the JAG corps couldn't sink any lower......
Great work Nance......just freaking great.
I could not agree more.
It's fairly clear who runs the United States military.........
Commanders have not been commanders since the JAG's took over the military.
If the military had half a brain they would reduce the JAG numbers in the military by 90%.
I can not fathom how he could not get some time. What a crock of shit this is.
Divemaster
11-03-2017, 18:09
Turd-dahl walking is probably a counter against Trump's comments calling for his head. Thus proving, for the "greater good", that the military court system is independent from political pressure.
I could not agree more.
It's fairly clear who runs the United States military.........
Commanders have not been commanders since the JAG's took over the military.
If the military had half a brain they would reduce the JAG numbers in the military by 90%.
you have NO idea how pissed off I am right now. Stand by for an article in the WSJ/DROP/ or similar publication......
I could not agree more.
It's fairly clear who runs the United States military.........
Commanders have not been commanders since the JAG's took over the military.
If the military had half a brain they would reduce the JAG numbers in the military by 90%.
Yes.
mojaveman
11-03-2017, 21:46
If he tries to get a book deal all money should go to the injured
Or a movie deal? The talk show circuit?
If I was him I think I'd go hide someplace for a long time.
he could always end up with a fellowship at an Ivy League school so he can give speeches on a corrupted military justice system.....
Maybe he can get a job with the NFL. :rolleyes: On a more sickening note, I've heard he gets $350,000 in back pay. Sorta makes a 10K fine even more anemic then I first thought.
SouthernDZ
11-04-2017, 09:07
It'll take a generation to right the wrongs currently underway in the military. Once these general officers who made their bones under Obama and Ash die away and a younger generation takes their place, only then will this bullshit even begin to right itself.
There was a brief and shining moment.....
Real numbers...
These numbers are not exact, but factoring in annual pay raises, taxes and incidentals the numbers I am using are reasonable starting points
Bowe Turddog was captured as a PFC in 2009. His monthly pay was about 2100 per month. He was automatically promoted to SPC in June 2010 which gave him a pay raise of roughly 180 bucks per month. He was promoted again in 2011 amounting to roughly 420 bucks per month more than he was making at his time of capture.
Fuzzy math - he made about 15,000 dollars in promotion money while he was in captivity and has earned another 19,000 in buck SGT pay that he never earned or deserved since his release.
At the very least - he owes America 34,000 dollars in unearned pay and allowances.
Let one of you jokers come home from a deployment and get deployment pay for a few months longer than you are authorized and watch how fast the army takes it from you. Go to SWC and get extra DIVE, DEMO, or MFF that you aren't authorized and see how fast they take it AND treat you like a shit bag for collecting it.
Bowe Turddog scored 34,000 bucks worth of free chicken and it took a national scandal and years of kabuki theater to make him give back less than half.
If you made his punishment retroactive to the date that he willingly and admittedly deserted his post in combat, he would be in the hole by just over 115,000 dollars (a very conservative estimate with the math in Turddogs favor).
Turddog doesnt deserve to wear the dirty underwear of men far better than him that suffered injustice and hardship for remarkably lesser offenses.
The JAG corps must be very proud of themselves.
written by a buddy of mine who happens to be a JAG:
I warned you guys about Nance. He's a stupid ass. I wonder what would qualify as misbehavior that justifies jail time for him? Apparently its not abandoning your comrades while facing the enemy. That, in my obviously uninformed view, is the unforgivable sin for a combat Soldier. You can get drunk, you can derisively call someone a homosexual, you can womanize, you can cheat on your wife, you can be late, fail to shave and a whole host of other things, but you cannot must not should never abandon your comrades in the face of the enemy. The one unforgivable sin for a combat Soldier is to break faith. Except my view is apparently wrong and womanizing or calling someone a homosexual or getting drunk are apparently far worse sins in the view of today's JAG Corps and the Army than breaking faith with your comrades in the face of the enemy.
This illustrates how out of touch the mainstream Army JAG Corps is with the rest of the Army, particularly the warfighting Army. And I don't mean quartermasters or commo guys or truck drivers or military intel types or MPs, I mean the people whose job it is to kill on behalf of the nation. Not those who may HAVE to kill if so confronted, but those whose job it is to fight and kill. Jeff Nance is a mainstream JAG guy and he just announced to the world that he and those like him simply fail to understand the life of the combat Soldier. Its like that idiot XXXXXXXX proudly proclaiming during a briefing down here at 3ID that in order to win the Counter-Insurgency fight American Soldiers will just have to take the first shot before responding. Easy to take that position from the comfort of one's desk in an office in Charlottesville, VA, at the JAG School, or from the serene heights of Jeff Nance's Judge's bench in a courtroom. Much harder to understand that from the powdery dust and filth and rocks and thin cold air of some shit hole in Afghanistan. I hope that God will Damn Jeff Nance for what he's done to Bergdahl's comrades, those who lost their lives searching for him and those who were wounded and had their lives indelibly altered and careers ended by his betrayal. The betrayal foisted on them by Jeff Nance cannot have been any less damaging.
One final thought...the JAG Corps doesn't get it and as a result douche bags like Jeff Nance make it to Colonel and get to judge others. But Jeff Nance is not the peer of those he judged or meted out justice on behalf of. I suspect he's a typical namby pamby liberal progressive socialist fascist who hates Trump and, in his heart of hearts, resented Trump's comments about Bergdahl and decided that this was his way of flipping off a President he loathes. I believe this b/c I can't imagine anyone so stupid and out of touch with his "profession," the profession of arms, who would judge Bergdahl so leniently. And please don't give me any nonsense about how hard the Taliban were on him. First, that was his own fault and second, I don't care how hard it was, five years of that doesn't begin to pay for the lives lost and men injured and maimed and crippled for life while searching for him. Each of those lives would have been worth a minimum of 20 years in my view. And the SEAL who lost his leg and the Soldier who was shot in the head and lost part of his brain and is now, among other things, mute, should die of natural causes before that bastard ever walks free again. Of course the liberal media has gone to great lengths to attempt to show that none of the six were killed searching for him. I believe the Soldiers who were actually there, like Sergeant Matt Vierkant, a team leader in the same unit, who said that "searching for Bergdahl was part of every mission from that point forward." Its just appalling that this happened and I can't fully express the depth of my loathing for the JAG Corps or Jeff Nance.
Monsoon65
11-04-2017, 15:18
Not only did the turdbird get out of jail time, his defense team is also pushing for him to receive the POW Medal.
You know, the one that comes with a life time of VA care.
Golf1echo
11-04-2017, 20:19
The Haqqani Network needs to take the turd to civil court and recoup their expenses by Jags logic :rolleyes:
The Reaper
11-04-2017, 21:10
There ain't no justice.
If there were, we would have airdropped him deep in Taliban country and let them take care of him for the rest of his life.
TR
It'll take a generation to right the wrongs currently underway in the military. Once these general officers who made their bones under Obama and Ash die away and a younger generation takes their place, only then will this bullshit even begin to right itself.
There was a brief and shining moment.....
Yes, sir, but methinks the corrections from what we have now will not be made without considerable fire, blood, and grief. Re-learning old lessons is always brutal. This crap reflects the culture and the culture is corrupt. It will be a long and rocky road. One generation may not be enough.
I'll know how serious they are about him and his violations once I see the sentence he receives!
Well, I guess I got my answer....
spaike97
11-10-2017, 23:56
I could not agree more.
It's fairly clear who runs the United States military.........
Commanders have not been commanders since the JAG's took over the military.
If the military had half a brain they would reduce the JAG numbers in the military by 90%.
Would it be possible that Bergdahl actually possesses fair amount of highly valuable intelligence about Taliban, that he somehow acquired during his time with them, and JAG promised him no punishment in exchange for him to talk?
Would it be possible that Bergdahl actually possesses fair amount of highly valuable intelligence about Taliban, that he somehow acquired during his time with them, and JAG promised him no punishment in exchange for him to talk?
Hell no! He has spilled his guts being debriefed already and even if he held back something so much time has past. They have already moved or no longer do that action. I suspect the only thing Turdahl is holding back is how much training and information he really gave the Taliban during his stay with them.
Team Sergeant
11-11-2017, 11:15
Would it be possible that Bergdahl actually possesses fair amount of highly valuable intelligence about Taliban, that he somehow acquired during his time with them, and JAG promised him no punishment in exchange for him to talk?
No.
bergdahl is nothing more than a coward and a traitor and should be treated as such.
The only one that thinks he's a "hero" is barry soetoro.
Makes me wonder if the board was worred about his conviction being overturned at a later date abd decided a solid plea bargin is better than a conviction being overturned at a later date.
So the old adage is true, "Military justice is to justice as military music is to music."
could just be the judge is a pussy and anti-Trumper.
CloseDanger
11-12-2017, 11:11
The Judge followed the Investigating Officers recommendations.
Bo burkadhal apparently gave some very golden information during de-brief and cooperated fully.
But the recommendation should have been time served so we don't owe him back-pay.
ddoering
11-12-2017, 17:26
Isn't his back pay determined by the last point in which he performed honorable service? I'd say that pegs it at the point he walked out the wire on his own.
Why Bowe Bergdahl Wants to Appeal His Desertion Conviction Now
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/03/03/why-bowe-bergdahl-wants-to-appeal-his-desertion-conviction-now-n2585622
"Well, he’s back, folks. Bowe Bergdahl wants to appeal his desertion conviction because—you guessed it—Donald Trump is no longer president. Bergdahl claims the former president’s rhetoric prevented him from having a fair trial...."
Anybody want to guess how this will play out?
In 2014, the Obama/Biden administration negotiated with terrorists to secure the release of 5 High Level International Terrorists that were being held in Guantanamo Bay. The freed detainees were part of a group of 48 prisoners that a panel commissioned by the Obama administration determined should not leave U.S. custody. Still, the Obama/Biden administration elected to negotiate with terrorists to secure the release of the "Taliban-5" in exchange for a US soldier that had deserted his post during combat operations with a belligerent force comprised of international terrorists.
This is an unarguable historically recorded fact.
-That soldier (lower case 's' acknowledged) was later court-martialed and found guilty of desertion and misbehavior before an enemy.
This is an unarguable historically recorded fact.
Susan Rice, the national security adviser for the Obama/Biden administration characterized Bergdahl as having "served with honor and distinction"
This is an unarguable historically recorded fact.
Senator Chris Murphy, a democrat from Connecticut hailed Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl on social media when he posted, that "an American hero is coming home."
This is an unarguable historically recorded fact.
The Obama/Biden administration hosted the Bergdahl family at a televised event in the Rose Garden to welcome home a Soldier that deserted his unit in combat. When pressed on negotiating with terrorists to secure Bergdahls release and then hosting a welcome home event in the Rose Garden, the Obama/Biden administration made it clear they "make absolutely no apologies" for their actions.
This is an unarguable historically recorded fact.
Lets not pretend that President Trump is culpable in what transpired; the US Army accused Bergdahl of desertion 5 years before Trump even announced his candidacy. The US Army then charged Bergdahl with desertion in 2015 - before trump was elected.
This is an unarguable historically recorded fact.
Bergdahl pled quilty to the charges of desertion and misbehavior before an enemy.
This is an unarguable historically recorded fact.
Bergdahl went on record saying, "I understand that leaving was against the law."
This is an unarguable historically recorded fact.
Regret and shame aren't what might normally be considered to be grounds for a defense - but we ARE dealing with democrats that hate America (just my opinion)
We are also talking about a 50 year veteran of government that in 1974 said during an interview on PBS, "Well, I'm not so sure you should assume I'm not corrupt"
THIS is an unarguable historically recorded fact.
tom kelly
03-03-2021, 14:13
AGREE: The FACTS speak for themselves....GUILTY....
1stindoor
03-04-2021, 07:03
.....
THIS is an unarguable historically recorded fact.
Have we learned nothing about what is and isn't "historically recorded?" I'm guessing at some point it will come out that he was staging a protest about our racist foreign policy.
The truth is, my post is just an illusion.
There is no such thing in America as "historically recorded fact"
Social Media outlets will just delete it from their platform if it becomes problematic.
**POOF**
right into the memory hole it goes - it never happened.
Joe Biden never said, "dont assume I'm not corrupt"
Bill Clintons wife was never referred to by a colleague on the Watergate investigation as the most dishonest and unethical lawyer he had ever worked with
Harris didnt help get violent anti government rioters out of jail
Pelosi never called republicans the enemy of the state
maxine Waters never incited public confrontations against her political foes
...never happened
"historically recorded fact" is only a few months from being a silly phrase that can be gas-lighted away at the wave of a magic wand
The Jedi mind trick NEVER worked as well as leftist gas lighting - and leftists are damn near immune to conservative gas lighting...
Republican Strategist: These aren't the droids you're looking for
Democrat Funded Liberal Activism: Fuck you old man * PEW * PEW * PEW *
StormTroopers: quick; take the droids, put up a few racist comments on this guys social media, plant some illicit shit on one of his work computers, and lets get out of here
Why else do you think the Obama/Biden administration was so willing to negotiate with international terrorists just to secure the release of a deserter so they could give him a hero's welcome....
It's 2021...words no longer have meaning to those that want to change history.
The coward was a "revolutionary" and not a traitor according to today's verbiage.
He wasn't a coward...he was strong for standing up for his convictions.
We are just old tarts that can't change with the times...just ask today's weak-minded folks.
But, with all that said, he is still a traitor to this old dude....