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CBO: Nearly 1 in 6 Young Men in U.S. Jobless or Incarcerated
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/05/09/cbo-nearly-1-6-young-men-u-s-jobless-incarcerated/
"Nearly one in six young men (between the ages of 18-34) in the U.S. were either jobless or incarcerated in 2014, according to a new government report. It details a striking amount of male alienation that has been on the rise since the 1980s...."
This is actually a pretty good article that touches on a great number of issues.
Take the time to read it to the end.
FWIW...
The CBO's write up of its findings is available here (https://www.cbo.gov/publication/51495) and the report itself is available there (https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/114th-congress-2015-2016/reports/51495-YoungMenReport.pdf).
Last year, the Economist devoted a cover, a leader ("Social change: The Weaker Sex" (http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21652323-blue-collar-men-rich-countries-are-trouble-they-must-learn-adapt-weaker-sex)), and a long essay ("Manhood: Men Adrift" (http://www.economist.com/news/essays/21649050-badly-educated-men-rich-countries-have-not-adapted-well-trade-technology-or-feminism)) on this topic as it applies to the developed world, generally.
One of the many reasons I find Donald Trump's presidential campaign extraordinarily dangerous is that he's attacking the beneficiaries of the recent changes and enabling many of those who feel left behind to see themselves as innocent victims of conspiratorial forces beyond their control.
Golf1echo
05-10-2016, 13:22
A sad component of this discussion:
It's all too common for veterans in the US to wind up in jail.
And behind bars, many of them don't have access to the services they need to get their lives back on track.
http://www.businessinsider.com/zac-60-days-in-veterans-in-jail-2016-5
..........One of the many reasons I find Donald Trump's presidential campaign extraordinarily dangerous is that he's attacking the beneficiaries of the recent changes and enabling many of those who feel left behind to see themselves as innocent victims of conspiratorial forces beyond their control.
Thought that was Bernie's gig.
A sad component of this discussion:
It's all too common for veterans in the US to wind up in jail.
And behind bars, many of them don't have access to the services they need to get their lives back on track.
http://www.businessinsider.com/zac-60-days-in-veterans-in-jail-2016-5
How many of those veterans are in jail because of nothing to do whatsoever with their military service? No real combat related trauma?
It's a volunteer force. It's not like people got drafted and then spit back out 4-5 yrs later not having had access to education opportunities while in, GI Bill when Out, Thrift savings plan, ACAP services etc. etc.
You can be a veteran and still be a fucked up loser.
How many of those veterans are in jail because of nothing to do whatsoever with their military service? No real combat related trauma?
It's a volunteer force. It's not like people got drafted and then spit back out 4-5 yrs later not having had access to education opportunities while in, GI Bill when Out, Thrift savings plan, ACAP services etc. etc.
You can be a veteran and still be a fucked up loser.
Yes.
Had this discussion years ago regarding a guy who retired and got himself in some shit (unrelated to his military service). The guy I was arguing with gave me that "well, if you don't understand why he deserves our help, you just don't 'get it'".
Well paint me the guy who doesn't "get it". Just because he retired doesn't mean the military owes him anything other than a retirement check.
To be clear, I'm not talking about those who need help. Back when I first enlisted the Army was full of Vietnam vets. Pour a few beers into some of those guys and the next thing you know they're telling you war stories and crying into their beer over the shit they went through. Some of those guys really needed help. Most were too manly to actually get it (PTSD did not have the recognition it has now).
But, back to the original point - you get yourself in trouble, get yourself out of trouble. Quit playing the veteran card.
Golf1echo
05-11-2016, 09:19
How many of those veterans are in jail because of nothing to do whatsoever with their military service? No real combat related trauma?
It's a volunteer force. It's not like people got drafted and then spit back out 4-5 yrs later not having had access to education opportunities while in, GI Bill when Out, Thrift savings plan, ACAP services etc. etc.
You can be a veteran and still be a fucked up loser.
Good point.
I think some of our social issues could be solved by facilitating connections to work and membership in viable organizations. Americorps is one national organization....we used to have many more ie. WPA, CCC Civilian Conservation Corps, etc...I see so many disenfranchised people becoming more and more isolated with few options. Strange concept to work for sustainment and dignity.
If I was the GOP I would wrestle programs away from liberals and forward these programs. Basically anyone who wanted to work could plug in.
(1VB)compforce
05-11-2016, 11:37
Good point.
I think some of our social issues could be solved by facilitating connections to work and membership in viable organizations.
I think most of our social issues could be solved by people actually taking responsibility for their own actions.
GratefulCitizen
05-11-2016, 11:48
FWIW...
The CBO's write up of its findings is available here (https://www.cbo.gov/publication/51495) and the report itself is available there (https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/114th-congress-2015-2016/reports/51495-YoungMenReport.pdf).
Last year, the Economist devoted a cover, a leader ("Social change: The Weaker Sex" (http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21652323-blue-collar-men-rich-countries-are-trouble-they-must-learn-adapt-weaker-sex)), and a long essay ("Manhood: Men Adrift" (http://www.economist.com/news/essays/21649050-badly-educated-men-rich-countries-have-not-adapted-well-trade-technology-or-feminism)) on this topic as it applies to the developed world, generally.
One of the many reasons I find Donald Trump's presidential campaign extraordinarily dangerous is that he's attacking the beneficiaries of the recent changes and enabling many of those who feel left behind to see themselves as innocent victims of conspiratorial forces beyond their control.
Interesting links.
I suspect that those working class men who want a more traditional family will adapt, using a new tactic: time.
The ones that figure out the game will spend their 20s and some of their 30s living cheaply, accumulating wealth, skills, and experience.
Then they'll use that to attract women half their age, possibly seeking brides abroad.
Globalization has many consequences.
Team Sergeant
05-11-2016, 13:18
I think most of our social issues could be solved by people actually taking responsibility for their own actions.
And that would knock "fundamental change" right off the shelf.
How many of those veterans are in jail because of nothing to do whatsoever with their military service? No real combat related trauma?
It's a volunteer force. It's not like people got drafted and then spit back out 4-5 yrs later not having had access to education opportunities while in, GI Bill when Out, Thrift savings plan, ACAP services etc. etc.
You can be a veteran and still be a fucked up loser.
Thank you for saying that. One may feel special because they are a vet but being a vet is not what makes one special.