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Team Sergeant
05-03-2016, 18:30
You know every time I read or hear something about the coward and murderer Che Guevara in the news, internet etc I keep hearing the same (BS) thing, the Bolivians killed him. That might and might not be true. What we do know is the Army Green Beret's were sent to Bolivia to assist in the capture/ killing of Che Guevara. And soon after their arrival Che was killed. And what I also heard was when Che Guevara was captured he cried like a bitch and begged for his life...... that's how cowards die.

Well done and hats off to the 8th Special Forces Group on a mission well done.


How did Che Guevara die?

How Che Guevara was killed

Killing Che Guevara


From the NYT's article:

"According to these accounts, a team of 10 to 12 Green Berets from the Eighth Special Forces Group based in Panama was sent to Bolivia in late 1967 as part of a C.I.A.-sponsored plan to train Bolivian forces in counterinsurgency techniques and to help the Bolivians stalk Guevara. In a camp located at the outskirts of La Paz, the Americans worked with 100 to 150 Bolivian special-forces troops. During the training program, Bolivian intelligence agents reported that Guevara was in the mountains east of La Paz. The Green Berets, according to a participant, conducted their own intelligence check and confirmed Guevara's presence.

The next step was to formulate a plan to capture him. The bulk of this preparation was handled by the Americans, and over the course of several weeks a small team of Bolivians was specially selected and trained for the operation. In the end, the action was relatively straightforward, with the Bolivians and their American advisers tracking down Guevara in a remote mountain village where he was training guerrillas. ''He was caught and executed on the spot,'' said a former Green Beret who was there. ''The Bolivians pulled the trigger. They needed to get the credit.'' Guevara's body was brought back to the camp, where it was identified by two American intelligence agents who had flown in from Panama. "

http://www.nytimes.com/1982/07/04/magazine/the-secret-world-of-a-green-beret.html?pagewanted=all


A thread dedicated to the NYT's article:

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48814

SF_BHT
05-03-2016, 21:00
You know every time I read or hear something about the coward and murderer Che Guevara in the news, internet etc I keep hearing the same (BS) thing, the Bolivians killed him. That might and might not be true. What we do know is the Army Green Beret's were sent to Bolivia to assist in the capture/ killing of Che Guevara. And soon after their arrival Che was killed. And what I also heard was when Che Guevara was captured he cried like a bitch and begged for his life...... that's how cowards die.

Well done and hats off to the 8th Special Forces Group on a mission well done.


How did Che Guevara die?

How Che Guevara was killed

Killing Che Guevara


From the NYT's article:

"According to these accounts, a team of 10 to 12 Green Berets from the Eighth Special Forces Group based in Panama was sent to Bolivia in late 1967 as part of a C.I.A.-sponsored plan to train Bolivian forces in counterinsurgency techniques and to help the Bolivians stalk Guevara. In a camp located at the outskirts of La Paz, the Americans worked with 100 to 150 Bolivian special-forces troops. During the training program, Bolivian intelligence agents reported that Guevara was in the mountains east of La Paz. The Green Berets, according to a participant, conducted their own intelligence check and confirmed Guevara's presence.

The next step was to formulate a plan to capture him. The bulk of this preparation was handled by the Americans, and over the course of several weeks a small team of Bolivians was specially selected and trained for the operation. In the end, the action was relatively straightforward, with the Bolivians and their American advisers tracking down Guevara in a remote mountain village where he was training guerrillas. ''He was caught and executed on the spot,'' said a former Green Beret who was there. ''The Bolivians pulled the trigger. They needed to get the credit.'' Guevara's body was brought back to the camp, where it was identified by two American intelligence agents who had flown in from Panama. "

http://www.nytimes.com/1982/07/04/magazine/the-secret-world-of-a-green-beret.html?pagewanted=all


A thread dedicated to the NYT's article:

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48814

The team from they 8th SFG did what SF does .... Get the job done. I had the pleasure on one of my many trips to Bolivia to go to the small village where he was killed and where the SF team trained up the unit that conducted the operation.

Thank you very much for your work!!!!

UWOA
05-04-2016, 09:23
While I wasn't on that MTT (It was before my time with 8th Group), I'm pretty sure there were 13 QPs (counting Shelton) on Pappy Shelton's team. The reason I say that is from what I've learned there were 2 XO's on that mission (two captains) doing different support tasks. One of them, then Captain Leroy Mitchell, was my Company commander when I was assigned to 8th Special Forces. Illustrative of how 'quiet' QPs are he never talked about that MTT while I was in the unit and only after I left Panama did I learn of his involvement.

He was an excellent commander and I enjoyed working for him. I see pictures of that scumbag Che still plastered all over Havana and I smile about how he met his end. Definitely no loss there.

Last I heard about four years ago was the Mitchell (retired as a Major in the late 70's) was living in the Tampa area and still pursuing a follow-on career as a stage actor ....

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Team Sergeant
05-04-2016, 11:08
Just makes one wonder why Special Forces was not tasked to kill the bottom-feeding castro and his rat faced brother.

Last hard class
05-04-2016, 14:01
Just makes one wonder why Special Forces was not tasked to kill the bottom-feeding castro and his rat faced brother.

Because we promised Russia we wouldn't use the military against Castro as part of the deal to remove the missiles.


Of course that didn't stop the others from trying.





LHC

Team Sergeant
05-04-2016, 15:39
Because we promised Russia we wouldn't use the military against Castro as part of the deal to remove the missiles.


Of course that didn't stop the others from trying.

LHC

The United States had lots of time before the Cuban missile talks went down to kill castro and his rat faced brother.

Premsore
05-04-2016, 17:39
I don't know what I don't know, but how do we know we didn't try? Had an instructor in Phase 1 in '69 that was a mean SOB ( I say this lovingly), a SFC with a Hispanic name that supposedly was with the team that tracked down and captured Che. Rumor was (you know how those are) that he had a bounty on his head in at least one Central/South American country, never heard why. Knew a few guys in my class that were caught by him in the middle of the night during E and E cutting across a corner of St. Mere Eglise DZ. He made them low crawl across the DZ with their rucks and weapons to teach them a critical lesson. Fatigues were shredded and knees and elbows in bad shape afterward for a few days. Have a couple more stories about him. He always got his lesson across. His nickname was Terrible Txxxxx.

CAARNG 68W
05-05-2016, 01:37
In the early.....err....mid 00's when Che Guevara t-shirts were popular, I used to wear one. Except mine had a sharpie drawn crosshair on Che's forehead. :boohoo

Brush Okie
05-05-2016, 02:36
Here are some anti Che shirts you might like.

http://www.thoseshirts.com/anticheshirts.html

My favorite

http://www.thoseshirts.com/muerto.html

DIYPatriot
05-05-2016, 09:50
In the early.....err....mid 00's when Che Guevara t-shirts were popular...:boohoo

I still see hipsters wearing those damn shirts. The ones I've asked them about have no clue who he even is/was. I asked one kid who was on his shirt and he said, "Antonio Banderas back when he was younger".

And those people vote.

Yay, America!

Agoge2
05-05-2016, 10:01
It's a sad thing to know that no one pays attention to history any more.

Sadly enough, I knew who Guevara was when I was in school, yet today, kids are using their shirts as a billboard for a dirtbag without even knowing it...due to their willing ignorance.

Team Sergeant
05-05-2016, 10:18
I still see hipsters wearing those damn shirts. The ones I've asked them about have no clue who he even is/was. I asked one kid who was on his shirt and he said, "Antonio Banderas back when he was younger".

And those people vote.

Yay, America!

Exactly why I'm bringing it up again.

And people laughed at my de-evolution comments..... this nation is nothing more than a nation of sheeple led by the "social (socialist/communist) media". They don't have a clue how to think on their own.

Which is why "reality" TV is so amusing, placing American sheeple in situations that folks from the 50's lived without a problem is quite amusing. I'm surprised most sheeple still know how to boil water.

Sdiver
05-05-2016, 11:22
Here are some anti Che shirts you might like.

http://www.thoseshirts.com/anticheshirts.html

My favorite

http://www.thoseshirts.com/muerto.html

Those aren't bad, but get one with the below pic on it and I'd buy it.

BTW ... This is my FAVORITE picture of the douCHEbag ...

PSM
05-05-2016, 13:57
This is one I was working on a few years ago. The pdf is a rough of the project. I never found a font that I liked.

Pat

18Ddave
05-05-2016, 17:51
Here is a good interview of the CIA agent that was there.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p027pr5s

hotshot
05-05-2016, 19:01
Here is a good interview of the CIA agent that was there.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p027pr5s

Felix Rodriguez was the CIA agent that interviewed Guevarra in his final hours and is seen dressed as a Bolivian army officer in the last photo of Guevarra alive.

Mr. Rodriguez is a very interesting man and a great American.

-C

MK262MOD1
05-17-2016, 10:22
Felix indeed is a interesting guy I have enjoyed his eye witness accounts of Bolivia, and Cuba.


Between the Books, "Hunting Che" and "Shadow Warrior" one can get a good grasp on what went down and how the Bolivian Rangers did what they did.

Mike
07-09-2016, 20:10
There was a
Spanish 8th group guy on my team in VN.
He alluded to some involvement in the incident.
He was a good guy to be around, but was known as the biggest bullshitter ever in SF.

I the the idea of taking out Fidel after he assumed power would be way above our general paygrade.

He had been our good best buddy right up to that point.

mark46th
07-09-2016, 22:20
Fidel was a communist from the get-go. He used us took our money, took our arms then when he won, he told us to fuck off and die. Fuck Fidel, Raul, Che and the rest of them.

PSM
07-09-2016, 22:43
Fidel was a communist from the get-go. He used us took our money, took our arms then when he won, he told us to fuck off and die. Fuck Fidel, Raul, Che and the rest of them.

How different would history be if Fidel had been signed by the Washington Senators?

Seems like a "real world" example of the "butterfly effect".

Pat

Noslack71
07-10-2016, 06:16
I was part of an MTT, our Bn sent from Panama, to the Bolivian Army Staff College, in Cochabamba, either 84 or 85.We were all pretty curious, hoping to get the real story about Che. There were three that claimed they were there. There was a Col. right age, with a Slavic surname, family was from Yugoslavia, fluent in Slovenian, English etc. He was the Brigade commander, had more than a passing interest in Company & Bn Mortars, and I was the our Bn's 4.2 Platoon Leader. He would ask to talk during breaks, a couple of meals. He never brought it up but. At the going away party, I decided to ask directly. They brought out galvanized buckets, with the National drink, think moonshine. it was raw and strong. I asked him, he got real serious, then laid his index finger alongside his nose. I think he was saying yes but, for whatever reason he was not going to talk to me.
It had been a good trip, everyone seemed to get along so, we kept drinking. One group of Bolivians decided to have kind of a surprise "election", with guns and shootings. We were hustled onto the bus, with an Lt as our escort. The Bn ALO
was a Major was quite drunk, very happy but, most importantly, he was a happy, drunken Aggie. We were all in our Class A's stopped by large mob. There were several what looked like Mat 49's, shotguns etc. Our Bolivian Lt. was not having much luck. The ALO did not have any SA. When came back into focus, he wanted to know what was happening the officer seated next to him told him to quiet down we were in trouble. He hears the word trouble, jumps to his feet, sticks his head out the window and hollers " HEY, OLD ARMY!" the officer grabs him, sits him down. From the crowd comes back "HEY, OLD ARMY!" a minute later we're moving down the road no problem!

Noslack