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In my opinion, Trump's principles serve Trump. Are we to believe that after a lifetime of supporting progressive causes and politicians, he has had an epiphany, and he is now a constitutional conservative?
If he is elected, we will have at least four-years to answer that question. The reason I support Ted Cruz for President is that he has a track record of fighting for and supporting constitutional principles. Donald Trump does not.
Conservatives for Trump? - Thomas Sowell
The sudden appearance of Donald Trump on the political horizon last year may have been surprising, but not nearly as surprising as seeing some conservatives supporting him.
Does Trump have conservative principles? Does he have any principles at all, other than promoting Donald Trump? A smorgasbord of political positions -- none of them indicating any serious thought about complicated issues -- is not a principle. Nor is cheering for himself and boasting about all the great things he is going to do as President.
Haven't we seen this movie before? Wasn't Barack Obama going to heal the racial divide, end the partisan bickering in Washington, have the most transparent administration ever, lower the cost of health care and let you keep your own doctor?
...For conservatives especially, there is finally a real choice for a change -- and a sharp contrast with Donald Trump. Senator Ted Cruz has a track record that leaves no doubt as to his adherence to conservative principles. And he is as thoroughly versed in the issues facing this country as anyone who has run for President since Ronald Reagan.
Has Senator Cruz been flawless? Certainly not, and this column has more than once pointed out some of those flaws. But he has both the principles and the intellect for the job. Given the alternatives -- Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton -- that should be more than enough this election year.
Entire editorial (http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2016/04/26/conservatives-for-trump-n2153363)
Well, if everybody would get on the Trump Train and vote R down ticket he'll have to deal with a Republican majority.
Unless you're saying the Republicans in Congress are do nothings. Oh! Wait! What am I saying?
Team Sergeant
04-27-2016, 09:35
Well, if everybody would get on the Trump Train and vote R down ticket he'll have to deal with a Republican majority.
Unless you're saying the Republicans in Congress are do nothings. Oh! Wait! What am I saying?
LOL, the current GOP, all talk, and absolutely no action. And exactly why Mr. Trump will be the next President of the United States.
I believe that "conservative" and "liberal" values have gotten as muddied as the "Republican" and "Democrat" values have.
Who knows what any of them are from day-to-day, except chameleons!
I'm looking for an Executive not an Ideologue.
SF-TX,
Aside from maybe Ben Carson, name one of this years candidates that doesn't have some suspect behaviors, hasn't talked out both ends and doesn;t have something personally gain.
The same can be said for the stellar individuals like George Soros, Karl Rove, Bill Kriostol, Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney who trying to upend the election.
GratefulCitizen
04-27-2016, 14:10
I'm inclined to look at the totality of the list of enemies opposing anyone seeking office.
That tends to say much about them.
ddoering
04-27-2016, 14:38
Are there any true Republicans left out there?
rubberneck
04-27-2016, 17:32
Are there any true Republicans left out there?
Yes but they won't run for President, or the lack sufficient polish to win a general election.
ddoering
04-27-2016, 17:51
The Republican party has failed to groom the next generation for leadership, instead they relied on running on fossil fuel, i.e. McCain and crew. Too bad, so sad. Lifetime Republicans like me have had enough of the establishment.
the lack sufficient polish to win a general election.
Polish or a guarantor of all that can be free? The latter.
Are there any true Republicans left out there?
The Freedom Caucus in the House...about 40 members...they caused John Boner to step down, a laudable achievement.
Golf1echo
04-27-2016, 23:47
Are there any true Republicans left out there?
The Freedom Caucus in the House...about 40 members...they caused John Boner to step down, a laudable achievement.
Whether or not he would want to be President, I don't know, I've mentioned Congressman Mark Meadows before. I can tell you he is trying very hard to do whats right for this country. He was the catalyst in getting Boner out and exposing the culture of retaliation within the Republican Party. He believes in the Constitution and keeps a sharp eye out for intrusions upon it. Mark comes from a little town in Western North Carolina, I'm sure there are more out there, just need a comprehensive strategy to get them in place and separate the professional politicians from their money and power quests.
xollie316
04-28-2016, 00:39
Echo the opinion that I want an executive and not an ideologue. I firmly believe that Trump serves only himself and will do so at the expense of the country. His brash talk is fueled by his love of the praise he receives for it, not for his beliefs in principles. In my opinion.
Cruz, like every candidate, is far from perfect. But I believe him to be the better politician (in the actual definition, not the negative connotation it has come to be) and less self-serving of the two.
A choice between Hilary and Trump will leave me frozen and indecisive for the first time in a long time.
... Is it too late to nominate Bill Pullman to play his character from Independence Day for four years?
... I firmly believe that Trump serves only himself and will do so at the expense of the country....
Not much different from most politicians in Washington who become millionaires after they get to Washington.
At least Trump will not be selling his vote for pack money.
So he backs business friendly legislation? Didn't somebody once say "A raising tide lifts all boats"?
I'm inclined to look at the totality of the list of enemies opposing anyone seeking office.
That tends to say much about them.
The crying POS, John Boehner, on his feelings toward Ted Cruz, Trump and Kasich:
When it comes to Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, even a few months’ time out of Congress has done little to lessen former Speaker John Boehner’s contempt for his former Capitol Hill colleague.
“Lucifer in the flesh,” Boehner told an audience at Stanford on Wednesday night, according to the Stanford Daily. “I have Democrat friends and Republican friends. I get along with almost everyone, but I have never worked with a more miserable son of a bitch in my life.”
...As far as Donald Trump goes, Boehner remarked that he had golfed with Trump for years and that the two are “texting buddies.”
On fellow Ohioan John Kasich, Boehner was magnanimous.
The governor “requires more effort on my behalf than all my other friends … but he’s still my friend, and I love him,” Boehner said, according to the report.
Source (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/john-beohner-ted-cruz-lucifer-222570)
frostfire
04-28-2016, 08:57
http://www.bbc.com/news/36155109
not sure what to make of it. If Russians perceive Putin and Trump as buddy-buddy, is that good for Americans? for the world?
In my opinion, Trump's principles serve Trump. Are we to believe that after a lifetime of supporting progressive causes and politicians, he has had an epiphany, and he is now a constitutional conservative?
If he is elected, we will have at least four-years to answer that question. The reason I support Ted Cruz for President is that he has a track record of fighting for and supporting constitutional principles. Donald Trump does not.
Trump's consistent track record of me, myself, and I makes it very hard to believe he has the country, Americans, or anyone else's interest in mind. Interests do coincide, however.
I'm hoping/praying for Carly-Cruz....but bracing for 4 years (if not 8) of Hillary. There are more female voters in the US, and they are more likely to vote. She uses the woman card to great advantage in every speaking events. Despite her poor track record, I've seen how she casts her magic over African American female figures, which turns into numerous supports from those figures' followers. Geez, she's quite the force multiplier
Echo the opinion that I want an executive and not an ideologue. I firmly believe that Trump serves only himself and will do so at the expense of the country. His brash talk is fueled by his love of the praise he receives for it, not for his beliefs in principles. In my opinion.
Cruz, like every candidate, is far from perfect. But I believe him to be the better politician (in the actual definition, not the negative connotation it has come to be) and less self-serving of the two.
A choice between Hilary and Trump will leave me frozen and indecisive for the first time in a long time.
... Is it too late to nominate Bill Pullman to play his character from Independence Day for four years?
Hold on there, partner. The ideologue in this conversation is Cruz and not Trump. As far as Trump being in it only for himself, sure he has personal motivations. We all do. I've "served" my country in the Army for a few weeks shy of 26 years now, but I can tell you that number would have been a hell of a lot smaller if I wasn't getting paid. So I guess I'm selfish too.
Cruz? He may be up there with St. Mother Theresa and only running for the good of mankind, but somehow I seriously doubt it.
Hold on there, partner. The ideologue in this conversation is Cruz and not Trump. As far as Trump being in it only for himself, sure he has personal motivations. We all do. I've "served" my country in the Army for a few weeks shy of 26 years now, but I can tell you that number would have been a hell of a lot smaller if I wasn't getting paid. So I guess I'm selfish too.
Cruz? He may be up there with St. Mother Theresa and only running for the good of mankind, but somehow I seriously doubt it.
And didn't you swear to support and defend the Constitution? Ted Cruz has vigorously supported and defended the US Constitution, first as Solicitor General of Texas, and now as a US Senator. As President, I suspect he will continue that defense. That makes him an ideologue?
Well, I zealously support and advocate for the US Constitution. I suppose that makes me an ideologue.
http://www.bbc.com/news/36155109
not sure what to make of it. If Russians perceive Putin and Trump as buddy-buddy, is that good for Americans? for the world?
I think it is great for America. The Russians aren't Muslim. I want Trump and Putin to have a good relationship. Allies even. A conflict with the Ruskies is another death blow to Western Civilization...and honestly...I believe Russia is the only hope of saving Europe from a complete Muslim invasion. Globalists and neo-con's saber-rattle against Russia, and we pretty dang well know, that those groups want to see the US destroyed as a sovereign country.
I don't like their dealings with Iran, or what's happened in the Ukraine, but going against them is not in our National interest...not remotely...and George Soros hates the Russians...that's a good sign.
She uses the woman card to great advantage in every speaking events. Despite her poor track record, I've seen how she casts her magic over African American female figures, which turns into numerous supports from those figures' followers. Geez, she's quite the force multiplier
She is going to get burned at the stake using the woman card...just wait.
Trump + Clinton Foundation + million dollar Wahhabi Muslim country contributions = death for Hitlery on women's rights.
xollie316
04-29-2016, 00:16
Hold on there, partner. The ideologue in this conversation is Cruz and not Trump. As far as Trump being in it only for himself, sure he has personal motivations. We all do. I've "served" my country in the Army for a few weeks shy of 26 years now, but I can tell you that number would have been a hell of a lot smaller if I wasn't getting paid. So I guess I'm selfish too.
Cruz? He may be up there with St. Mother Theresa and only running for the good of mankind, but somehow I seriously doubt it.
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Trump's like Lucas oil conditioner, but the engine of this Country needs it.
Calling women you disagree with, "fat pigs, dogs, slobs, disgusting animals, and bimbos" is nearing the bottom of the barrel in political tact and discourse. I do not want the CINC and representative of our nation to portray our values this way.
This must have been prior to June 2015...and with Rosie?
I haven't heard any such name calling since he announced his run...towards women...other than his Fiorina comment.
The Reaper
04-29-2016, 12:32
This must have been prior to June 2015...and with Rosie?
I haven't heard any such name calling since he announced his run...towards women...other than his Fiorina comment.
Megyn Kelly.
TR
Team Sergeant
04-29-2016, 12:36
This must have been prior to June 2015...and with Rosie?
I haven't heard any such name calling since he announced his run...towards women...other than his Fiorina comment.
I dunno, it's worked quite well for some politicians in the past....
Winston Churchill
Bessie Braddock to Churchill "Winston, your drunk!"
Churchill: "Bessie, your ugly, and tomorrow morning I shall be sober"
Megyn Kelly.
TR
Roger that...his "blood coming out of her eyes or whatever" comment in response to her gotcha! journalism at the first debate.
I admit, it didn't bother me considering the game she was playing.
The Heidi Cruz re-tweet, IMO, was his only poor form woman mistake that he made. He could have easily risen above it and chastised Cruz about the Melania photo.
"Fat pigs, dogs, slobs, disgusting animals, and bimbos" related to women, "Trump hates Mexicans" related to deporting illegal aliens, "Trump is racist" related to Marxist protesters disrupting Trump rallies...are not related to anything, in facts, that I've heard him actually say.
If he has, heck, I'd want to know.
GratefulCitizen
04-29-2016, 21:51
Rules for radicals, rule #4:
“Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."
Trump knows what he's doing.
He can't win trying to meet an unobtainable standard, so he ignores it and attacks whenever someone tries to hold him to it.
Political correctness is just a way of getting someone else to submit to your approval.
If you have no choice but to play, it's best to double down with aggression and give them nowhere to go.
Their subsequent hissy fit just makes them look weak.
It's a choice of evils.
WRT Megyn Kelly, Sean Connery understood that sort of dilemma.
http://youtu.be/oo0d1zTAFKA
:D
Not much different from most politicians in Washington who become millionaires after they get to Washington.
At least Trump will not be selling his vote for pack money.
So he backs business friendly legislation? Didn't somebody once say "A raising tide lifts all boats"?
Someone with zero principles is someone extremely dangerous.
Trump may be better than a latter candidate or "establishment" type that may be trying to parachute in at the convention, however there is something to be said for hiring one of the most well known "establishment" lobbyists in DC who also has ZERO principles.
I mean for fucks sake, the guy caves on all issues that define most Republicans "principled" values.
Someone with zero principles is someone extremely dangerous.
Trump may be better than a latter candidate or "establishment" type that may be trying to parachute in at the convention, however there is something to be said for hiring one of the most well known "establishment" lobbyists in DC who also has ZERO principles.
I mean for fucks sake, the guy caves on all issues that define most Republicans "principled" values.
On the bright side, at least none of Trumps major supporters have rubbed their face in a bowl of Cheetos like Cruz spoke person and Prophet Glenn Beck. In important events such as Presidential Primaries the candidates are judged by the company they keep and to some degree can held accountable for the actions of those supoorting their campaigns.
On the bright side, at least none of Trumps major supporters have rubbed their face in a bowl of Cheetos like Cruz spoke person and Prophet Glenn Beck.
Want me to bring up Mike Tyson? And Trump's remarks that the 17 year-old girl he raped shouldn't have been there?
Pat
Sure, why not.
Here you go:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/donald-trump-blamed-the-victim-in-mike-tysons-rape-case?utm_term=.pqOQW9Dmwv#.ywWJmGBDXw
Pat
Here you go:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/donald-trump-blamed-the-victim-in-mike-tysons-rape-case?utm_term=.pqOQW9Dmwv#.ywWJmGBDXw
Pat
I don't know what Tyson was alleged to have done, but I can see what Trump is getting at......
I had a very attractive 15 year old cousin, who promoted 36/24/36, who trolled older guys. She went as far as to get a fake ID so she could get in 21 clubs in hopes she could get banged by older, more experienced guys who knew what they were doing.
She pursued a 20 something GI from Ft Riley named Johnny who was a major fuck up. On New Years Eve they saw the movie Heavy Metal, they got stoned and they did the nasty in the back of my uncles van.
My cousins 15 year old boy friend saw them together prior to the movie and told her parents she had been with Johnny.
At the 3am interrogation, I lied to the police when I told them Johnny only went to the movies her.......Had I not lied, Johnny would have been charged with rape, even though my cousin was a more than willing participant in the rendezvous.
My 15 year old cousin shouldn't have been there......and she was well aware of what she was doing.
I don't know what Tyson was alleged to have done, ...
"Alleged to have done"? My god man, if you are going to comment on these matters, do your frigging homework! Tyson was found GUILTY of rape of a 17 year-old girl and spent ONLY 3 years in prison. But I guess you're OK with that.
Pat
Following the theme of company you keep....take a look at Trump's family....well adjusted, behaved, educated and all with solid families. If you are looking for principle, that is a good place to start.
Gross wealth often corrupts the children of those who made it...obviously the man set the example...using some basic principles...that kept his children from the poisonous path.
"No drugs, no alcohol" is something he laments often.
Well, I mean Chris Wallace let him stumble through that interview on the Trump Super PAC known as the Fox News Network while he told all of the Trumpkins that Mike Tyson wasnt a rapist and Mike Pence endorsed him........
Lyin' Ted huh........
Orange faced liberal fucktard.
"Alleged to have done"? My god man, if you are going to comment on these matters, do your frigging homework! Tyson was found GUILTY of rape of a 17 year-old girl and spent ONLY 3 years in prison. But I guess you're OK with that.
Pat
My home work was the link you provided, which focused on Trumps comments, not the details of the Tyson case.
But browsing the net I see that some believe he was railroaded. There was even a book written: Falsely Accused: Mike Tyson and the Rape Trial that Destroyed a Champion
http://www.amazon.com/Falsely-Accused-Tyson-Destroyed-Champion-ebook/dp/B00597SCLS
In July 1991, Tyson was arrested in Indianapolis for the rape of 18-year-old Desiree Washington, who’d been crowned Miss Black Rhode Island. Washington testified that she received a call at 1:36 a.m. from Tyson inviting her to a party, and the two eventually ended up in Tyson’s hotel room. There she said he pinned her down and raped her, ignoring her pleas for him to stop. Tyson maintained that the two had consensual sex. He was convicted of rape on February 10, 1992, and sentenced to six years in prison. Alan Dershowitz later filed an appeal on Tyson’s behalf, claiming that Washington had, on at least one other occasion, made a false accusation of rape and that the trial judge had blocked the testimony of several witnesses who could refute Washington’s claims. Tyson lost the appeal.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/11/06/mike-tyson-opens-up-about-his-rape-conviction-brad-pitt-and-love-of-pinkberry.html
The suit filed by attorneys for Desiree Washington, 19, of Coventry, R.I., seeks unspecified damages for assault, battery, false imprisonment and intentional and negligent infliction of emotional distress.
"Ms. Washington decided to bring this case only after much soul-searching," said Deval L. Patrick, a Boston attorney representing Washington. "She wants to put this sordid episode behind her and move on with her life."
Alan Dershowitz, the Harvard University law professor handling Tyson's appeal, said the lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court demonstrated Washington's greed and ambition.
"We couldn't be happier because it finally gives us a vehicle for bringing out the whole truth, for deposing Desiree Washington and for exposing her for what she is: a money-grubbing phony who has done this--as we suspected right from the beginning--for the money," he said.
http://articles.latimes.com/1992-06-23/sports/sp-1000_1_mike-tyson
My home work was the link you provided, which focused on Trumps comments, not the details of the Tyson case.
But browsing the net I see that some believe he was railroaded. There was even a book written: Falsely Accused: Mike Tyson and the Rape Trial that Destroyed a Champion
Some think that O.J. is innocent, too. How about you?
Tyson Prosecutor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJvaHfgpAQc)
Pat
frostfire
05-02-2016, 09:11
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fears-trump-drive-immigrants-become-citizens-071855115--election.html?ref=gs
on the (temporary) bright side, at least Trump is motivating those those who never bothered to learn English to do so :D
Some think that O.J. is innocent, too. How about you?
Tyson Prosecutor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJvaHfgpAQc)
Pat
My money is OJ guilty, but the glove didn't fit. With OJ we have the benefit of weeks and weeks of live coverage of the court proceedings, plus live coverage of the Bronco chase. With Tyson, I do not believe we had that. All I have been able to find is that this young woman willingly went back to Iron Mikes hotel for whatever reason. She says Mike forcefully jump her bones and Iron Mike has maintained she was willing participant.
Tyson was at the time a well known miscreant, so it does beg to question why this beauty queen would go hang out in Tyson's hotel room.
AND Pat......
If it were either of my daughters with some clown with Tyson's credentials, at some point, no matter what the circumstances I would ask then 'WTF were you thinking'.....'Why would you take that chance'. As my Mom said more than one occasion, If you know better and you do it anyhow.....don't expect me to feel sorry for you when it bites you in the ass.
OJ (probably guilty) got off, Something Something Smith (Kennedy cousin?) got off (probably guilty). I remember my father saying that he thought Tyson was probably innocent, but was going to go down because America wouldn't take kindly to 3 in a row walking.
If he is elected, we will have at least four-years to answer that question. The reason I support Ted Cruz for President is that he has a track record of fighting for and supporting constitutional principles. Donald Trump does not.
I did not want Cruz for president, but for the same reasons that you state I would find him an excellent choice as Attorney General. Or....SCOTUS nominee.
Cruz on SCOTUS would let him defend the constitution the best. Trump naming him as a front runner for nominee would be a masterful way to calm fears of Armageddon among conservatives.
OJ (probably guilty) got off,
AC cost CA tens of millions of dollars that night. I was listening to SWAT on the scanner. There were 2 snipers with shots at OJ. One not exactly clear because he was behind and to the rear of the Bronco on the right and AC might have been injured. The second was across the street on the left of the vehicle with a clear shot. About 10 seconds before AC got out of the Bronco both snipers were given the green light. This rest is history.
Pat
My money is OJ guilty, but the glove didn't fit. .....
Get a pair of you favorite thin skin tight leather gloves, get them wet, let them dry, put on a pair of rubber gloves and then try and put the gloves on (when you really don't want to).
Get a pair of you favorite thin skin tight leather gloves, get them wet, let them dry, put on a pair of rubber gloves and then try and put the gloves on (when you really don't want to).
Exactly, that whole scene was a farce. Regardless of that there was no way that OJ's
jury of his peers was going to convict him.
Trump's like Lucas oil conditioner, but the engine of this Country needs it.
Put Jeffords in there and we got a deal, boys.
I'm gonna enjoy deer season this year.
SittingElf
05-06-2016, 02:11
I did not want Cruz for president, but for the same reasons that you state I would find him an excellent choice as Attorney General. Or....SCOTUS nominee.
Cruz on SCOTUS would let him defend the constitution the best. Trump naming him as a front runner for nominee would be a masterful way to calm fears of Armageddon among conservatives.
I like that idea.....a LOT!
Trey Gowdy and Napalitano for the next two.
Roguish Lawyer
05-07-2016, 14:57
You guys can continue to fantasize about what Trump will do, consistent with your principles. The truth is you have been conned. Won't matter, he will lose to Hillary. Congrats.
You guys can continue to fantasize about what Trump will do, consistent with your principles. The truth is you have been conned. Won't matter, he will lose to Hillary. Congrats.
Only because establishment types will vote for Hillery.
Hey, do what we've been told to do the last 4 election cycles. Hold your nose and vote for the R. I did it. You still wake up the next morning.
You guys can continue to fantasize about what Trump will do, consistent with your principles. The truth is you have been conned. Won't matter, he will lose to Hillary. Congrats.
Com'on RL, from my seat it appears you have drank the kool-aid that Glenn Beck and Rafael Cruz have been serving and your vision is blurred.
You guys can continue to fantasize about what Trump will do, consistent with your principles. The truth is you have been conned. Won't matter, he will lose to Hillary. Congrats.
Trump was not my first pick I helped Cruz get his first win. You give too much credit to Hillary, I think she is much more reviled than Trump and that the dems would much rather have had anyone else to vote for, Bernie don't count. But hey it's her turn and O will not throw her under the bus. I am with Pete just hold your nose and pull that lever for the republican.
GOPers Refusing To Support Trump ‘Sounding Like Babies and Whiners,’ ‘Not Very Adult-Like’
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/05/07/neil-cavuto-gopers-refusing-to-support-trump-sounding-like-babies-and-whiners-not-very-adult-like/
"Fox News Channel and Fox Business Network host Neil Cavuto argued that Republicans who are saying they won’t support presumptive nominee Donald Trump “are all sounding like babies and whiners” and “not very adult-like” on Friday’s “Your World.”
Cavuto said, [relevant remarks being around 2:00] “I have no horse in this race. Donald trump doesn’t come on this show, hates me, whatever. That’s fine. … Now, what I’m saying though is, these guys are all sounding like babies and whiners. They didn’t win. I understand that. The type of candidate they wanted to win didn’t win. I understand that. But, he did get the overwhelming vote. He put this thing to bed and killed them all. So you might not like the consequences, but just to walk out and have a snit fit, no pun intended, sounds to me to be not very adult-like.”
He added, “I’m just saying, collectively, this is not a political statement, but he won. He won. Fair and square he won. Time to move on.”."
RL - "my" guy didn't win the last 4 presidential election cycles. Every time the GOPe told me to hold my nose and vote for the R which I did.
Now "your" guy didn't win and all the GOPe and folks like you are all butt hurt and swearing to sit it out or go third party.
Why the FUCK should I support "your" guy four years from now?
Give me one good reason that cancels out your butt hurt actions this cycle!
craigepo
05-07-2016, 18:22
You guys can continue to fantasize about what Trump will do, consistent with your principles. The truth is you have been conned. Won't matter, he will lose to Hillary. Congrats.
I am right there with you. But, I have to vote for Trump, if for no other reason than a possibly delusional hope: I know that Clinton will make horrible choices for the country, and will surround herself with like-minded America haters. There is at least a chance that Trump will act in the best interest of the country, and may put some good people in office.
Damnable position to be in. The U.S. Has just nominated the two most unpopular candidates in recent memory to run for the most powerful job on the planet. I liken our choice to picking our next prison warden-we can pick one we know will be bad, or. We can pick one that might be ok.
Also, I'm not so sure that Trump loses this race. Trump has the potential, if he can just not screw up.
I wonder what it would like if social media (internet) had been around back during the 1980 Presidential election? If we wouldn't have seen many of the same comments, that we're seeing now?
The first time I ever voted was during the 1984 election, and everyone was "Proud to American" that Reagan made America "Great Again." I do seem to remember there was some unfavorable things said about Reagan during the primaries and subsequent election and that he and Bush Sr. went at it a few times. Maybe some of our more "experienced" members (aka, FOGs) will remember that election. Now, in the GOP, we talk about Reagan with reverence. That the party would change its moniker from the "Party of Lincoln" to the "Party of Reagan; with some help from Lincoln."
Recently I've been watching old reruns of The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, and the comedians of the time, especially Johnny, ripped into Reagan quite viciously. Comedians back then seemed to have a fairly good pulse of what was going on in politics. Today, not so much, what with the PC crowd crying at the drop of a hat about or saying anything bad against the Dems or the current administration. Look at Tim Allen and his show at how they are almost ostracized from tinsel-town. Hell, I'm surprised that his show is even still on.
We're just pissed that for the past 5 1/2 years, we've given the Republicans what they wanted to "combat" the current administration, but they have failed us and have let President Jarrett and her puppet Barry, go on willy-nilly and do what they wanted, without fear of repercussions. In fact, falling "in bed" with them more or less.
Now someone like Trump comes along who has the platform, and money, to say what it is we've saying (SCREAMING) for the past 7 years, were it was virtually ignored by the "establishment", the same ones who are "jumping ship" because of Trump.
We've always said that we need to "flush" the crap out of Washington, and with Trump coming along, he is showing the voters just who the crap is, and who needs to be flushed. Now it'll just take the voters to make it happen.
Now the theme of this thread is: Does Trump Have Conservative Principles?
I wonder how many asked that of Reagan back in 1980?
He used to be a Democrat.
Was President of a Union (Screen Actors Guild)
His issue on Gun Control ... He was against it, but yet supported the Assault Weapons ban via the Brady Bill
... and I'm sure there are other comparisons that could be made between R.R. and Trump, both good and bad.
In actuality, I'm glad that Cruz lost the his bid. IMO, he would work for us better by staying in the Senate. Taking a Cabinet position or even filling the vacant SCOTUS chair, might be okay, granted if Trump becomes POTUS, but all in all, I feel he better serves us in the Senate, say as the Majority Leader.
GratefulCitizen
05-08-2016, 07:02
Trump is a revolutionary leader, not a governing leader.
Someone else will fill that governing role at a later date.
First things first.
Certain corrupt power structures must be exposed and deposed.
Team Sergeant
05-08-2016, 11:23
You guys can continue to fantasize about what Trump will do, consistent with your principles. The truth is you have been conned. Won't matter, he will lose to Hillary. Congrats.
LOL, I bet you're a ton of fun to be around when your team gets their asses beat.
Don't be a marplot Francis, head up, eyes straight and assist your "Team".
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/08/trump-blindsided-by-ryan-flip-flops-with-change-on-minimum-wage.html?intcmp=hpbt2
Big, efe-ing surprise there. "On my plan, (tax rates) are going down. But by the time it's negotiated, they'll go up." WTF? So, taxes up and minimum wage up now?
craigepo
05-09-2016, 06:58
If anyone is considering sitting this one out, please take a look at this article by Victor Hanson at National Review (yes, the National Review that has been waging war on Trump for months). I'm not saying that you need to forget all of your morals and character, but you should at least consider what 8 more years of Obamanization by American-hating liberals would look like.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435138/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-conservatives-never-trump-2016?utm_source=NR&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=May9
...no thanks
I'm just going to pout and put my head in the sand. Everything should be fine.
Com'on RL, from my seat it appears you have drank the kool-aid that Glenn Beck and Rafael Cruz have been serving and your vision is blurred.
And you sound like Scottie Nell-Hughes.
Nothing the man can do is wrong........
Even if it is pander to the left or renounce portions of his own fabricated tax plan.
The man is a con artist and will likely be the downfall of the nation. We have already seen what 8 years of someone with no principles can do to this nation.
When he loses to Hillary, don't blame those of us who refused to sacrifice our principles and "get on board". Blame your savior for refusing to extend an olive branch to the conservative movement.
The argument that he is "better than Hillary" is irrelevant. If anything, we should be trying to convince him to at least stand for SOMETHING and bring the party together.
I was open to him as of last year, and really liked the idea of someone who was going to come in a throw a wrench in the gears. But as things progressed and his lack of substance became more prevalent, and the endless conga line of mouthpieces on EVERY news outlet defending his childish remarks and tabloid style personal attacks...........I began to realize that he is nothing more than a con man selling snake oil.
As for those of you who support him within the regiment, mind your tounge when expressing your displeasure with "new and improved" state of our regiment and "future changes" as he has openly expressed supporting combat arm integration between men and women.
Along with partial birth abortion.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Unless he starts to move back right and actually stand for something MORAL, I will be sitting this one out and voting the downticket only.
Team Sergeant
05-10-2016, 10:01
Unless he starts to move back right and actually stand for something MORAL, I will be sitting this one out and voting the downticket only.
Sore loser.....;)
Sore loser.....;)
Maybe.
Or maybe it's the fact that someone running a third party ticket on the Republican Side continued to threaten violence at the convention if his "plurality" wasn't enough.
Or threatening to go third party even after pledging not to.
Sounds like a rigged system to me.
If you can bully your way to the nomination with 40% of the vote whilst claiming that you have "millions more" votes than anyone else (because you are counting states that are not in play and will vote blue in NOV) then it sure sounds rigged, colluded, disgusting, nasty or whatever other buzz word he chooses to use in order to rile up his NASCAR fans.
...Or threatening to go third party even after pledging not to......
Oh, so now you're bringing the GOPe and Cruz supporters into the conversation.
This story is just full of butt hurt GOPe folks.
Their little rice bowl is getting kicked over so it's third party or bust.
"Cruz floats restarting campaign if he wins Nebraska primary."
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/279354-cruz-floats-restarting-campaign-if-he-wins-nebraska
"...Cruz joins a long list of prominent Republicans who have said they are not yet supporting Trump for president.
Presidents George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush and former GOP presidential nominees Mitt Romney and John McCain have all decided not to attend the party's convention, in what's seen as a rebuke to Trump.
And House Speaker Paul Ryan said last week he was not ready to endorse Trump, adding he needed assurances that Trump would champion conservative ideas. ..."
Ryan??? Conservative ideas????? Since when?????
I do need help with a few things...
-What exactly are we calling "conservative principles" these days? The republican party has failed to provide me with a clear definition of what they see as conservative principles.
The "40% of the vote" thing is also falling a little flat with me. I'm not beating the drum for any one guy because I think they ALL suck but Cruz only got 30% of the vote...
...Rubio got less than that
...so did Kasich
...so did President Bush's brother
If we are going to talk percentages then lets be honest and discuss EVERYONES percentages.
Then there is this issue of "no one is voting for Trump" that I still don't understand. The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/27/donald-trump-will-get-more-primary-votes-than-anyone-in-history-because-more-people-are-voting/) (and a few others) have run a story showing that Trump has collected more primary votes than anyone in the history of primary votes except George W Bush. BY the end of this primary season he will pass him as well.
MORE.VOTES.THAN.ANYONE
...more than Reagan
...more than GHW Bush
...more than Dole
...more than McCain
...more than Romney
It seems like a lot of the loudest voices pointing to the lack of Trumps conservative principles are politicians who have done a pretty good job of spelling "RINO" in all capital letters which is also somewhat HYPOCRITICAL is all capital letters.
- I like Ted Cruz. I don't love him, but I like him. He ran poorly and his bible waving brand of conservatism WILL be a liability in a general election in the current culture we have been saddled with. I'd still vote for him if he was the candidate but he isn't. "My team" didn't win this time.
- I like Bernie Sanders but I wouldn't vote for him - he has his ideological head on backwards but he seems to be the most sincere candidate on either side of the isle.
- I like Kasich but I wouldn't want to vote for him.
...same goes for Rubio
- I don't like President Bushes brother. His delivery seemed smug and entitled and I am ready for some politicians that ARENT named Bush or Clinton. That said, I'd have still voted for him against the Hildebeast.
I cannot stand madam secretary. She represents ALL that is wrong in American politics and she has made a profession out of disrespectfully thumbing her nose at all that is good in America. People like her are why terms like "carpet bagger" used to be pejorative - well, until the Clintons turned carpet bagging in Neo-Chic'. She is part of a celebrity-royalty cult of personality that is nothing but bad for America.
...but at least she isn't DJT
So if she ends up in the White House because I vote for Jesse Ventura and the Independence party then so be it.
Team Sergeant
05-10-2016, 10:49
Entire post.
Steel on Target.
You need to writing opinion columns for the Wash Times etc.
I do need help with a few things...
-What exactly are we calling "conservative principles" these days? The republican party has failed to provide me with a clear definition of what they see as conservative principles.
I think we have to look at this from a personal perspective. Due to the culture rot and the over emphasis on technology versus true social interaction, we have hamstung ourselves and as a society.....have a jaded view of what is right and wrong.
Personally, I would just be happy with sticking to something as morally simple as men using mens rooms and women using the ladies rooms. I guess im just a "purist".
The "40% of the vote" thing is also falling a little flat with me. I'm not beating the drum for any one guy because I think they ALL suck but Cruz only got 30% of the vote...
Agreed. I think the issue with that is that Trump had his supporters no matter what. The rest of us had to share the other 60-65%. This was true throughout the south on super tuesday and in the midwest where Rubio and the postmaster general Kasich decided to stick around for no reason what so ever.
With all of that being said, I think the uphill battle that Cruz had to fight was the GOPe game of duck duck goose. First it was Jeb, after a few months they realized he just didn't have "it". Then came Krispy Kreme Christie. They followed him for a few weeks and threw him in the spotlight after the debates. He faded quicker that a match in the rain. Then they moved to Rubio, He was on every show, and was given preferential treatment up until the point that Trump decided to take his ball and go home during the fox news debate.
At which point, stockholm syndrome took over and they embraced him. As a matter of fact, Fox became so biased towards Trump that even the supporters got tired of hearing about him on there.
Still, with minimal free media coverage and a front runner who refused a 1 on 1 debate time and time again (even when there were only 2 1/2 candidates remaining)...........Ted managed to pull around 30% of the vote.
The chips fell where they are, but get rid of the spoilers and the media bias and we have a different ball game.
But that isn't the way it went. Twitter became more important that substance and personal insults and facial expressions took the place of facts and reason.
...Rubio got less than that
...so did Kasich
...so did President Bush's brother
If we are going to talk percentages then lets be honest and discuss EVERYONES percentages.
Then there is this issue of "no one is voting for Trump" that I still don't understand. The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/27/donald-trump-will-get-more-primary-votes-than-anyone-in-history-because-more-people-are-voting/) (and a few others) have run a story showing that Trump has collected more primary votes than anyone in the history of primary votes except George W Bush. BY the end of this primary season he will pass him as well.
MORE.VOTES.THAN.ANYONE
...more than Reagan
...more than GHW Bush
...more than Dole
...more than McCain
...more than Romney
It seems like a lot of the loudest voices pointing to the lack of Trumps conservative principles are politicians who have done a pretty good job of spelling "RINO" in all capital letters which is also somewhat HYPOCRITICAL is all capital letters.
I agree to disagree on this one. I assume you are pointing to Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee aren't exactly a part of that category.
- I like Ted Cruz. I don't love him, but I like him. He ran poorly and his bible waving brand of conservatism WILL be a liability in a general election in the current culture we have been saddled with.
Agree 100%. I think that as a christian nation, we should embrace that but with the current state of things in our country.......that might have been a step too far.
I'd still vote for him if he was the candidate but he isn't. "My team" didn't win this time.
- I like Bernie Sanders but I wouldn't vote for him - he has his ideological head on backwards but he seems to be the most sincere candidate on either side of the isle.
- I like Kasich but I wouldn't want to vote for him.
...same goes for Rubio
He could have done alot better had he just owned up to his support for amnesty instead of applying tips from "rules for radicals".
- I don't like President Bushes brother. His delivery seemed smug and entitled and I am ready for some politicians that ARENT named Bush or Clinton. That said, I'd have still voted for him against the Hildebeast.
I cannot stand madam secretary. She represents ALL that is wrong in American politics and she has made a profession out of disrespectfully thumbing her nose at all that is good in America. People like her are why terms like "carpet bagger" used to be pejorative - well, until the Clintons turned carpet bagging in Neo-Chic'. She is part of a celebrity-royalty cult of personality that is nothing but bad for America.
[COLOR="Navy"]Oligarchy is the best word that comes to mind. I am bettering she is a real life version of one of those Aliens in the movie "They Live". You know, exempt from all the rules and has everything?
...but at least she isn't DJT
So if she ends up in the White House because I vote for Jesse Ventura and the Independence party then so be it.
+1 as well.
Put on the Glasses!
So Mills - tell me again why we should support your guy in 2020 when you bail on our guy in 2016?
So Mills - tell me again why we should support your guy in 2020 when you bail on our guy in 2016?
Lets see how he does if he wins.
I wouldn't expect anyone to stand with someone that does not represent their principles. So I wouldn't blame you if you chose not to.
So Mills - tell me again why we should support your guy in 2020 when you bail on our guy in 2016?
So you're already predicting a second term for Hillary.
So you're already predicting a second term for Hillary.
If - If the GOPe, RINOs and Cruz supporters have their way it will be Hillery this year.
And then three years from now they will all be saying "Hey, let bygones be bygones. Come on and support our guy."
In that case they can stuff it.
Cruz had his best shot this year and blew it. Ain't going to be a 2020 for him.
If - If the GOPe, RINOs and Cruz supporters have their way it will be Hillery this year.
.
I agree 100%. And I think she'll get 8 yrs.
ha...
8 years, 12 years, president for life
what difference at this point does it make?
I agree 100%. And I think she'll get 8 yrs.
I am holding out for her getting 25 to life.
His principles, and the judges he might nominate to the SCOTUS, will be more conservative than the opposition.
One may not like the complete package but where, in any SF training, was the comment made you only 'go' with a 100% solution?
Everyone would still be in isolation.....waiting.....while others decided the outcome.
ha...
8 years, 12 years, president for life
what difference at this point does it make?
None. As long as you have "Conservative" PRINCIPLES
His principles, and the judges he might nominate to the SCOTUS, will be more conservative than the opposition.
One may not like the complete package but where, in any SF training, was the comment made you only 'go' with a 100% solution?
Everyone would still be in isolation.....waiting.....while others decided the outcome.
Oh wait. Do you mean that the "Perfect" just might be the enemy of the "Good Enough"? But what about what makes me feel good, what about my principles?
I am holding out for her getting 25 to life.
As long as you"re not holding your breath, you should be fine.
If - If the GOPe, RINOs and Cruz supporters have their way it will be Hillery this year.
And then three years from now they will all be saying "Hey, let bygones be bygones. Come on and support our guy."
In that case they can stuff it.
Cruz had his best shot this year and blew it. Ain't going to be a 2020 for him.
Sorry Pete, but I have to disagree.
You can't blame us if Trump drops the ball and fails to win, or wins and we lost the house and the senate.
As a Cruz supporter my allegiance to him is purely ideological. I am a federalist. NOT a populist. I believe in less federal government. We have all already seen where more feceral government has gotten us.
I mean seriously, look at the issue of bathrooms. This is really federal business? I mean seriously, Loretta Lynch Mob getting on TV and comparing this to Jim Crow all while lecturing the rest of us that we need to be tolerant enough to allow anyone of the opposite sex to wander into your daughters or sons bathroom and shower next to them or take a dump.
Seriously. This is not about not supporting trump. This is about trying to voice our frustration in order to move him back to the right on certain issues versus moving left.
I.E.
Bathrooms
Partial Birth Abortion
Minimum Wage
Project Dianne (Women in combat)
I may or may not support him, however I will NOT attempt to convince anyone that their decision to support trump is wrong. I will however continue to voice the issues that concern me in an attempt to make the conservative concerns known to his supporters, his campaign and eventually.........him.
This is how we unify the party. Not by telling the rest of us to "get out" if we don't like it. Had things went differently, and Cruz became the presumptive nominee I would have supported the same tactic. He would have had to move left on certain issues and actually extended an olive branch to those who felt left out.
Not told to just "move along".
Regardless of how any of us feel, it is extremely imperative that we all do vote in some capacity. Even if it is on the down ticket in order to retain the house and senate. The argument about "he is better than hillary" is irrelevant. He can be better than her all he wants but if we lost the house and senate in the process of getting him elected we will see at least another 4 years of a "do nothing" congress.
You think its bad now? The GOP refused to shut down the government and stand up to comrade zero. What do you think will happen if Skelator "AKA Pelosi" is once again the speaker of the house?
The Left will shut down the government quicker than they can point their finger and call someone a bigot.
My .02
.....You can't blame us if Trump drops the ball and fails to win, ....
You have got to be kidding me? Right?
You, RL and a bunch of other purists are ticked off Trump beat your guy so you're going third party or sitting it out - and then you'll say it's Trumps fault for not winning?
You have got to be kidding me? Right?
You, RL and a bunch of other purists are ticked off Trump beat your guy so you're going third party or sitting it out - and then you'll say it's Trumps fault for not winning?
Ahh the purist argument.
Well im yet to hear about the "riots" that guys like me are going to cause since Cruz was not nominated.
As I clearly stated, I will NOT be attempting to persuade anyone from voting and I am yet to make my decision in terms of if I vote or not, that will be dependent on if he is able to appeal to what is important to me.
Or maybe I could just take the advice of Mike Huckabee (AKA: Sellout) and fuck off.
I am pretty sure that had Cruz won the nomination, guys like me would be trying to "sell" the idea of getting behind him versus using the lesser of two evil arguments.
Believe me, if he wins I hope he does a great job. I hope his ideas work and we totally get tired of winning.
Roguish Lawyer
05-14-2016, 11:35
I'm not going to vote for Trump because of his personal character and his policies (to the extent he has any). I'm not going to be responsible for what he does if he gets elected.
But you'll want our support in four years?
Democrats are loving it.
Roguish Lawyer
05-14-2016, 12:35
But you'll want our support in four years?
Democrats are loving it.
Who is "our," and support for what?
If you are talking about people who voted for Trump, I have given up attempting to reason with them, and accepted that I have very little in common with them in terms of core values. I believe deeply in the political philosophy underpinning our Constitution, as well as the free-market economic theories that justify capitalism, but they obviously do not.
You guys can go follow Donald Trump off a cliff all you want. Good luck.
I'm with Mills and RL on this. I wish Trump the best....but I won't be voting for him. My days of voting party line are over. I'll vote for whoever is a constitutionalist or I won't vote.
The system can wreck itself, I won't be a party to it.
GratefulCitizen
05-14-2016, 16:58
I don't view most of the federal-level politicians as leaders, and don't pay much attention to their promises of great works or supposed shared values.
They're just tools to achieve an objective.
Trump is a tool of destruction.
Hopefully, that destruction is pointed in the right direction, at entrenched power structures within the federal government.
Time will tell.
Team Sergeant
05-14-2016, 17:44
You have got to be kidding me? Right?
You, RL and a bunch of other purists are ticked off Trump beat your guy so you're going third party or sitting it out - and then you'll say it's Trumps fault for not winning?
Yup, you got it right, purists.
They don't want to be responsible, sounds like everyone I know under the age of 50.
You guys lost so just take your ball and go home. I get it.
I will vote for Mr. Trump and for one reason only, Freedom. That's the only issue I'm a purist about.
You "Conservatives" need to remember its called the Republican Party not the Conservative Party. I didn't support Trump but he will be a damn sight better than Clinton or the other Socialist running this year. I will hold my nose and vote Trump because I won't be part of the Socialist movement, I won't lay down and just watch it happen. Every vote counts.
You can't blame us if Trump drops the ball and fails to win, or wins and we lost the house and the senate.
In regards to the house and senate that is very true, the seeds of a bitter harvest have been sown by likes of McCain, McConnell, Boehner and Ryan.
I'm not going to vote for Trump because of his personal character and his policies (to the extent he has any). I'm not going to be responsible for what he does if he gets elected.
On the other hand you will be culpable for the actions of Hillary Clinton and/or Bernie Sanders.
I am pretty sure that had Cruz won the nomination, guys like me would be trying to "sell" the idea of getting behind him versus using the lesser of two evil arguments.
If Cruz had made the grade I would have voted for him. Kaisch on the other hand was a complete no-go.
"Conservatives" have two choices. Trump or Hillary. One or the other WILL get elected. The Unicorn candidate will not win. Heck even Cruz, the anointed one, has gone back to his day job.
EVERY "conservative" in this country of voting age will help either Trump or Hillary. There are no free passes. Spending time wishing away the choice that is before us all is still a choice. A choice with consequences. Navel gaze and sit out the election? Still a choice. Throw in the towel and vote on "principles" for a candidate that has ZERO chance of winning... still a choice.
Those that stand on "principles" (and I consciously write that with a lower case 'p' ) will allow Hillary to appoint anywhere from 1-3 SCOTUS justices over the next 4-8 years. If this comes to pass, I hope all men of "principles" that sit this election out or throw their vote away on a candidate that has no chance, will at least stand up and take full credit... With pride!
I see the bumper sticker now... "I helped Hillary... but with PRINCIPLES".
The Reaper
05-14-2016, 21:39
What about voters who live in solid Blue states?
Does it mater who they vote for, on the upticket?
If the Republican party had backed Cruz earlier, they might not have the candidate they have now, but that is water under the bridge, at this point.
We have to trrust Trump is more conservative than the alternative. I don't see any other course.
TR
If the Republican party had backed Cruz earlier
I believe the RNC brain trust had annoited the principled candidate Jeb Bush from the git-go.
Who is "our," and support for what?
If you are talking about people who voted for Trump, I have given up attempting to reason with them, and accepted that I have very little in common with them in terms of core values. I believe deeply in the political philosophy underpinning our Constitution, as well as the free-market economic theories that justify capitalism, but they obviously do not.
You guys can go follow Donald Trump off a cliff all you want. Good luck.
Now, RL. I'm one of "those guys" And, last time that I thought about this stuff, I kinda believed in our Constitution. I have even spent years away from my family, and missed the birth of a child, and have some aches, pains, general attitude issues and other afflictions (minor) associated with all that, due to my beliefs (and the fact that I was getting paid)...
I'll have to be up front, RL, the dismissive nature of your comments have rubbed me the wrong way. You believe deeply in "philosophy" and "theories." As a lawyer I can expect nothing less. However, I believe deeply in "America".. and I am concerned for her. I believe that now is the time for tough decisions. My military training and real world experience has taught me that the "Perfect" is the enemy of the "Good Enough".
In my experience after raising two... Children want the "perfect" and when they can't get their way.. they pout, cry and go home with their ball. Your comments on this thread and others on this subject remind me of a child...
BLUF: You can have the red ball or the blue ball. Which do you choose?
It's that simple. Choose... Red. Or. Blue.
I believe the RNC brain trust had annoited the principled candidate Jeb Bush from the git-go.
The Conga Line went as follows.
Jeb, Krispy Kreme Christie, Rubio, then full circle of acceptance to trump.
They backed the wrong horse several times, hence the confusion during the first 6 months+ of the campaign.
"You're either for Hillary Clinton or you're for Donald Trump. If you're not for Donald Trump, you are functionally helping Hillary Clinton. I think it's just that straightforward." Newt Gingrich
At this point, I agree.
The Conga Line went as follows.
Jeb, Krispy Kreme Christie, Rubio, then full circle of acceptance to trump.
They backed the wrong horse several times, hence the confusion during the first 6 months+ of the campaign.
Piss poor planning, piss poor canbdidate selection and they got Trumped. Rove and the others were so full of themselves they had no idea what they were dealing with.
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.
Considering the possible front runners, the real imperative for liberty-minded constitutional conservatives is buttressing the Senate. More than ever, we need good people, strong and true who will stand against the coming tyranny of the executive and the so-called Republican leadership of the Congress.
A third of the Senate is up for election. We must replace them with the candidates that will hold the line, who will filibuster for four years if necessary to protect the Supreme Court, and any other executive, legislative, judicial, or bureaucratic overreach!
Every member of the House is up for election. We must replace them with spines of steel who will elect a real Speaker and fulfill their responsibilities under the Constitution. Indict the executive when necessary and defund any and all executive, legislative, judicial, or bureaucratic overreach!
We must convince every freedom loving state that we must build a wall. Not that wall, but a wall of Patriot Minute-Congress to defend this country!
Considering the possible front runners, the real imperative for liberty-minded constitutional conservatives is buttressing the Senate. More than ever, we need good people, strong and true who will stand against the coming tyranny of the executive and the so-called Republican leadership of the Congress.
A third of the Senate is up for election. We must replace them with the candidates that will hold the line, who will filibuster for four years if necessary to protect the Supreme Court, and any other executive, legislative, judicial, or bureaucratic overreach!
Every member of the House is up for election. We must replace them with spines of steel who will elect a real Speaker and fulfill their responsibilities under the Constitution. Indict the executive when necessary and defund any and all executive, legislative, judicial, or bureaucratic overreach!
We must convince every freedom loving state that we must build a wall. Not that wall, but a wall of Patriot Minute-Congress to defend this country!
Very, very well said, Sir!!! Wish you were running for office!;)
Holly:lifter
GratefulCitizen
05-15-2016, 13:37
Don't have to vote for Trump or killary.
Cartman '16. Screw you guys, I'm going home.
http://www.amazon.com/Screw-You-Guys-Cartman-T-Shirt/dp/B01E9XTOU0
http://youtu.be/zyltK6pmJGg
Golf1echo
05-16-2016, 09:31
"You're either for Hillary Clinton or you're for Donald Trump. If you're not for Donald Trump, you are functionally helping Hillary Clinton. I think it's just that straightforward." Newt Gingrich
At this point, I agree.
Yes, that is the case................if what we have plays out. I still hold out hope Broomhilda will be indited in a move that will give accountability a fresh start and hold the FBI is an independent agency of the Feceral Government....I know, not all the idealism has worn off.
We still have many months to endure one of the most insignificant but dangerous administrations in recent history. Time for Trump to put a team in place, forward an agenda, build consensus, and put out a message that unites the majority of voters. If Trump fails his charge it only sends us faster to the crisis that will actually motivate us to change our government into one that works for the United States citizen.
What I and I believe the vast majority of Trump supporters look to Trump for is an outsiders approach to the problems in DC. As a businessman he should be able to understand a fiscal approach to how things are being done. From experience, my company took over design/build of our towns public spaces for over 15 years...we increased the efforts put into public spaces while reducing cost significantly ( 6 figures or greater).....That was a source of pride which ended as subsequent administrations sought to put their mark on changes...cost went back up and results went back down :( Although the above story is more of an analogy, I think it is one of the approaches that will lead us back into a more realistic government.
That having been said I look to the conventions to be very interesting and dramatic on both sides so I'm not sure we have all the pieces of the puzzle in front of us.....which means now is the time to understand each piece and know that they all might not be part of the finished solution. MOO there will need to be much more pain before we are likely to demand the change from DC we need.