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Washington Post
By Niraj Chokshi March 28 at 5:22 PM
Liberal groups sue North Carolina over transgender bathroom law.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/03/28/liberal-groups-sue-north-carolina-over-transgender-bathroom-law/
I'm confused, isn't identification what it's all about???
" Now I'm confused "........ I think confusion is what it is all about. At the very least North Carolina has gotten a vow from Rob Reiner that he will no longer do business in the state. One should always look at the bright side of things.
You go to the bathroom that matches your plumbing. Doesn't seem all that hard to understand.
So I'm out with my 5 year old grand daughter and she has to go to the bathroom.
Usual routine is to help her push open the door "Anybody in there?" "No" "OK, I'll wait outside."
Some grubby homeless looking guy walks past me and heads to the female door - I protest and he says that's OK he identifies as female.
And on what planet does this happen on?
I've been confused ever since it started being cool to be a sissy, and I don't even try to figure out what those lunatics are shooting for anymore.
The paradigm will shift soon, thank God.
San Francisco has long been considered one of America’s most—if not the most–LGBT friendly cities. Yet in at least one increasingly watched area, the city has fallen behind. On Monday, San Francisco Supervisor David Campos took the first substantive steps toward changing that when he announced plans to introduce a bill that would make many city bathrooms gender-neutral.
The measure would mandate that all single-occupancy bathrooms in the city be relabeled as places for all genders, rather than solely “men” or “women,” and that new buildings constructed in the city have a gender-neutral bathroom on each floor. The bill would also go beyond similar laws in other cities by putting in place sweeping enforcement mechanisms, including a complaint process handled by the Human Rights Commission, an LGBT rights organization, and adding these facilities as a standard checklist item for building inspections.
The measure, which is expected to pass easily, will add San Francisco alongside Philadelphia, Seattle, Washington, D.C., West Hollywood, Calif. and Austin, Texas, to the list of cities with gender-neutral bathroom provisions. More than 150 U.S. colleges and universities have also instituted such measures, including the entire University of California system. In April, the White House added a gender neutral bathroom at the nation’s most prominent address. These changes have prompted push back in a number of states, where bills that would determine access to public school restrooms according to a person’s biological sex at birth are now being considered.
Source (http://time.com/4175774/san-francisco-gender-neutral-bathrooms/)
Make all restrooms unisex...end of problem.:munchin
Make all restrooms unisex...end of problem.:munchin
Maybe for you it does, but it makes it worse for me and others who think that people need to go in bathrooms based on their plumbing, not what they "feel" like at the moment.
:rolleyes:
BrokenSwitch
03-30-2016, 05:57
I have a solution to make everyone happy!
All public facilities must have a "green space" with dense vegetation growing on loosely-packed soil. Need to piss? Find a tree. Do you need to squat? Grab a shovel (to be provided by the property owner).
Not only are these facilities compatible with all plumbing, but the "au natural" experience should satisfy even the crunchiest of hippies. After all, poop is biodegradable and extra greenery will compensate for the oxygen thieves who made this solution necessary in the first place.
I have another solution; get these limp-wristed, sniveling punks out of positions of leadership.
DinDinA-2
03-30-2016, 09:24
So I identify as a dog, not a human. Does that mean I can shit in the neighbors lawn at at the park without repercussions.
Sure...just be sure you have that plastic baggie along to pickup your stuff. Boy, just think of the leg humping and sniffing opportunities.
PedOncoDoc
03-30-2016, 09:53
Sure...just be sure you have that plastic baggie along to pickup your stuff.
That was what the shovel was for.
Boy, just think of the leg humping and sniffing opportunities.
Enough about you - the dogs would have a field day with this! :p
So I identify as a dog, not a human. Does that mean I can shit in the neighbors lawn at at the park without repercussions.
Sure, but you'll be picked up by animal control, taken to the pound, checked for license tag or chip. Finding none, they will declare you unadoptable and euthanize you within 24 hours.
Sure, but you'll be picked up by animal control, taken to the pound, checked for license tag or chip. Finding none, they will declare you unadoptable and euthanize you within 24 hours.
Not in San Fran. You'd be given a meal, a bed and money for Mad Dog.
CDRODA396
03-30-2016, 12:35
Although the liberal left would jail me for even thinking this...but the gene pool has gotten too contaminated...it needs a good (and significant) cleansing in the worst way.
Otherwise make all restrooms single units, period. Don't like the wait, go out back.
bailaviborita
03-30-2016, 20:17
It is largely a jobs program/shakedown of the public. Because- just like the below story--- all of this social justice will require social justice police/enforcers/bureaucrats/re-education managers to enforce the new culture... And, of course, don't forget all the lawyers this enriches...
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/30/us/colleges-beef-up-bureaucracies-to-deal-with-sexual-misconduct.html
By ANEMONA HARTOCOLLIS
MARCH 29, 2016
CAMBRIDGE, Mass. — In a brightly lit classroom here at Harvard, Mia Karvonides was trying to explain to a group of bemused student leaders the difference between a romantic encounter and “unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature,” as the university’s relatively new code of sexual misconduct defines it.
She tried to leaven the legalistic atmosphere at the town-hall-style meeting with realistic-sounding examples, defying gender stereotypes. Jose and Lisa, chemistry students, are working late at night in the lab, she began, when Lisa comes up from behind and kisses Jose on the neck.
Such a surprise move, she suggested, could be the beginning of a sexual misconduct complaint. “I want to acknowledge that this isn’t so simple,” Ms. Karvonides said. “I don’t have any magic words for you. It takes a little bit of a closer look to grasp the concepts.”
Ms. Karvonides is Harvard’s first Title IX officer, leading a new bureaucracy that oversees how the institution responds to complaints of sexual violence under Title IX, the federal law that governs gender equity in education. She is one of a rapidly growing number of Title IX employees on campuses nationwide, as colleges spend millions to hire lawyers, investigators, case workers, survivor advocates, peer counselors, workshop leaders and other officials to deal with increasing numbers of these complaints.
Recently, the dean of the law school at the University of California, Berkeley, resigned when it became public that he had been disciplined for sexually harassing his executive assistant, yet had been allowed to remain on the job. The dean apologized, though he later disputed the circumstances of the case
And the captain of Yale’s basketball team was expelled in February after a confidential school proceeding found that he had nonconsensual sex with a female student, according to his lawyer. But the lawyer said the former player maintained that the woman had consented.
The expansion of Title IX bureaucracies — often at great expense — is driven in part by pressure from the federal government, which recently put out a series of policy directives on sexual misconduct on campus. More than 200 colleges and universities are under federal investigation for the way they have handled complaints of sexual misconduct, up from 55 two years ago.
But the growth of these bureaucracies also reflects the difficulties that students, parents, administrators and faculty members face as they negotiate changing ideas and standards of sexual behavior.
And in a report last week, a national association of professors said that the Title IX bureaucracy had started to infringe on academic freedom, by beginning investigations into faculty members’ lectures and essays.
Because of these complexities, dealing with these kinds of cases has been wrenching for students, faculty members and administrators. Many women’s groups have set a much lower bar for what constitutes sexual misconduct than previous generations, leading to more internal review of campus behavior.
“I think this is becoming more of an issue because it’s actually being recognized as an issue, rather than hidden behind the veils that existed for previous generations,” said Melanie Boyd, an assistant dean for student affairs at Yale College who oversees sexual violence prevention programs.
Title IX, enacted in 1972, bars discrimination on the basis of sex in educational programs that receive federal funds. It is more familiar as the law used to promote gender equity in sports and faculty hiring. But a 2011 federal policy statement clarified that it also applies to how universities deal with complaints of sexual assault. At a minimum, federal rules require colleges to designate one Title IX coordinator, at least part time.
Many colleges have gone far beyond that, at a cost ranging from thousands to millions of dollars. College officials said it was difficult to put a price tag on the efforts because they often spanned more than one department and involved volunteers and doubling up on jobs.
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Mia Karvonides, Harvard’s first Title IX officer, is one of a rapidly growing number of such employees on campuses nationwide.
“There’s so much more litigation on all sides of the issue,” said Brett Sokolow, the executive director of the Association of Title IX Administrators, an industry group of 5,000 members that did not exist in 2011, and has doubled in size for each of the past two years. “This has very much created a cottage industry.”
Title IX coordinators, who carry out policy and oversee how institutions respond to complaints, can earn $50,000 to $150,000 a year. Mr. Sokolow estimated that the cost of lawyers, counselors, information campaigns and training to fight sexual misconduct ranges from $25,000 a year at a small college to $500,000 and up at larger or wealthier institutions.
At the University of California, Berkeley, officials said, Title IX spending has risen by at least $2 million since 2013, though they declined to give the total.
“Certainly, colleges are spending more related to Title IX than ever in history, both preventatively and responsively,” Mr. Sokolow said. He estimated that dealing with an inquiry could cost “six figures,” and that responding to a lawsuit “can run into the high six or even seven figures, not counting a settlement or verdict.”
A check of employment ads online found recent calls for Title IX officials at the University of Chicago, Elon University, Barnard College, George Mason University, University of the Pacific, Lynn University and Columbia University.
Columbia guarantees outside counsel to advise students on either side of the sexual misconduct hearing process, with the university picking up the bill. It has doubled the number of advocates, educators and counselors to 11 from five just three years ago. Instead of two investigators and case workers, it now has seven.
At Yale, nearly 30 faculty and staff members work part time or full time in support of Title IX efforts, and twice as many faculty and staff members and students volunteer as advisers and committee members. In addition, Yale has trained 48 students who are paid to listen to students and intercede when they seem to be in distress.
Occidental College in Los Angeles hired a law firm, Pepper Hamilton, to conduct what was essentially a Title IX compliance audit.
Harvard has 50 full-time and part-time Title IX coordinators across 13 schools. Ms. Karvonides, a civil rights and education lawyer, was hired in March 2013. Under her leadership, the university adopted the new sexual misconduct policy and created a bureau of trained investigators.
Harvard dormitories have tutors for students to talk to about matters of sexual conduct. This month, a task force recommended that the university put more resources into sexual assault prevention, including hiring one or more people to coordinate the disparate efforts.
Still, despite the best efforts of Ms. Karvonides and others, students are yearning for a clear code of conduct.
Some campuses have adopted “affirmative consent” rules, in effect a written or unwritten contract, requiring a yes before the first kiss and at every step along the way. Harvard has opted instead for what Ms. Karvonides called a more nuanced standard of “unwelcome conduct.”
This has led to criticism by some that the policy is not strong enough, and by others that it could punish behavior as mild as flirting.
“This is ubiquitously on the mind of everyone at Harvard,” said Daniel Banks, the undergraduate council vice president, who helped organize the recent town-hall-style meeting on the subject. Many students have concluded that the best solution is not so much compliance as avoidance.
“You either don’t date at all,” said Daniel Levine, another student leader, “or you’re like a married couple.”
Mustang Man
03-30-2016, 20:58
It is largely a jobs program/shakedown of the public. Because- just like the below story--- all of this social justice will require social justice police/enforcers/bureaucrats/re-education managers to enforce the new culture... And, of course, don't forget all the lawyers this enriches...
https://cdn1.nyt.com/images/2016/03/...ticleLarge.jpg
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/30/us...isconduct.html
God damn, what a bunch of bull. I'm in the process of applying to a number of those institutions as well. If I get turned down from them, I'll at least look on the bright side of not having to sign contracts to kiss someone.:rolleyes:
The more I read this garbage coming out of the "elite" universities, the less I take them seriously. Is anyone familiar with any well respected school that does not deal in this nonsense, or this the norm all through out academia?:confused:
frostfire
03-30-2016, 21:39
the best solution is not so much compliance as avoidance.
This.
I actually believe in that since day 1 entering US higher education. Has served me well working in jobs with 99% female coworker ranging from prudy to drop dead gorgeous. On the other hand, I can't wait to file complaints for all the poking, pinching, and flirtatious approach I had had to endure. There has to be $$$ to collect! :D
mark46th
03-31-2016, 08:04
Tell me if you have heard this before-
A convicted rapist, feeling like a woman today, walks into the Ladies Restroom....