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Whew, good thing for us all that Hillary never did anything like this….or Bill for that matter…:rolleyes:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/03/17/air-force-general-who-ran-isis-air-war-fired-over-inappropriate-emails.html?intcmp=hplnws
Streck-Fu
03-18-2016, 06:52
Whew, good thing for us all that Hillary never did anything like this….or Bill for that matter…:rolleyes:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/03/17/air-force-general-who-ran-isis-air-war-fired-over-inappropriate-emails.html?intcmp=hplnws
If Hillary did anything like the General, it must mean that she has an inappropriate relationship with Huma.....wait...nevermind...
well...
the military should be held to a higher standard than the slimy scummy politicians that lord over us so...
lets leave Hillary out of this. talking bad about her at this point could get one of us disappeared
Not enough details in this report.
I'm assuming that the General was married. What I want to know is did this LtCol reciprocate in any way? If so, then she should be named and punished as well. I'd also like to know who complained to bring this all to light. Did the Lt Col because it was unwanted? Was it a secretary/aide who had access priviledges to the General's email account.
If we're going to have a scandal, we might as well get all the details.
Thank god he didn't get a blow job in his office. That would be absolutely unthinkable.
Red Flag 1
03-19-2016, 08:50
I read through the 49 page IG report yesterday: http://www.airforcemag.com/DRArchive/Documents/2016/January%202016/031716_Hesterman_IG_Investigation.PDF.
This started when Lt Gen Hesterman was a Wing Commander, who was mentoring a junior officer. Hesterman had eyes for the junior officer's Active Duty wife, and went after her. Later he would be seen as mentor to her as well, but it went well beyond mentoring. Some of the Emails between Hester and the female officer came to light and an IG investigation began. It ended the marriage of the junior officer, and his wife. Evidence found in the IG investigation showed that the relationship went on for years. Some of the emails from Hester were more in line of a high schooler, than a high ranking USAF officer. After reading the report, it looks like they could go after the female officer as well. At this point, the IG is mulling over just what the punishment will be for Hester. This could result in a reduction in rank. Since this began when Hesterman was an 0-6, would they bust him down that far in rank? That was when he stopped being a respectable USAF officer.
If it was a mutual relationship then why is there even a question as to whether to punish the female officer? Why isn't her name released too?
Just throwing this out there. As I've never had the "privilege" of being a Generals Aid...thank God, wouldn't want it.
But, are the Gen's emails scanned or looked at by an aid before he gets them to weed out the "he doesn't need that" stuff???
If so, maybe an aid coulda done it??
I know, I'm naïve when it comes to that Starfleet crap, thank God, just askin'...
the female cant share blame...
...she is just a weak oppressed member of aMEricas protected class
...she was oppressed by another bully resting on his white male privilege
I gotta say, the members of this board are starting to disappoint me. I cant believe you still havent learned how this social equality gig works yet.
It appears she was not named to avoid an unwarranted invasion of the privacy of her husband, also an Air Force officer, who was apparently still on active duty when the investigation began.
miclo18d
03-19-2016, 13:41
the female cant share blame...
...she is just a weak oppressed member of aMEricas protected class
...she was oppressed by another bully resting on his white male privilege
I gotta say, the members of this board are starting to disappoint me. I cant believe you still havent learned how this social equality gig works yet.
You're scaring me with the fact that you know SO much about it!
It appears she was not named to avoid an unwarranted invasion of the privacy of her husband, also an Air Force officer, who was apparently still on active duty when the investigation began.
They're not married now. But I don't think that it matters. She is no different than the general. They named him so they should name her.
Okay, let's get this out in the open ...
Was She Hot ???
:munchin
Red Flag 1
03-19-2016, 17:41
Highest ranking officer bears the burden of responsibility. He was the ranking officer, and mentor to both the junior ranking male officer, and his wife, at a later date.
Red Flag 1
03-19-2016, 17:47
Okay, let's get this out in the open ...
Was She Hot ???
:munchin
I don't have her name. Here it an AF Times article on the Lt.Gen., before anything broke; not exactly a stud:http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/careers/air-force/officer/2015/06/03/afcent-commander-nominated-to-join-air-staff/28406447/.
Oldrotorhead
03-19-2016, 17:58
Highest ranking officer bears the burden of responsibility. He was the ranking officer, and mentor to both the junior ranking male officer, and his wife, at a later date.
If you look at this as two issues the General gets spanked and she should too ( well maybe this wasn't the best terminology to use) :D . She did say yes to the General and her husband got the short straw. So she can cheat on her husband as an Officer and since she was the Jr. Officer that's OK?
Red Flag 1
03-19-2016, 18:18
If you look at this as two issues the General gets spanked and she should too ( well maybe this wasn't the best terminology to use) :D . She did say yes to the General and her husband got the short straw. So she can cheat on her husband as an Officer and since she was the Jr. Officer that's OK?
The USAF IG will look at the whole thing as a single event, black and white, if you will. No matter how many lives/careers are touched. This was a long drawn out relationship, so it has the potential of bumping into many lives. Still, the General will be held to a higher standard, and viewed as the sole offender. The person investigated was the Lt Gen; all evidence implicates, or does not implicate the investigated party.
Oldrotorhead
03-19-2016, 18:27
The USAF IG will look at the whole thing as a single event, black and white, if you will. No matter how many lives/careers are touched. This was a long drawn out relationship, so it has the potential of bumping into many lives. Still, the General will be held to a higher standard, and viewed as the sole offender. The person investigated was the Lt Gen; all evidence implicates, or does not implicate the investigated party.
Thank you for the explanation.
Highest ranking officer bears the burden of responsibility. He was the ranking officer, and mentor to both the junior ranking male officer, and his wife, at a later date.
Bullshit.
For officers it is a profession. All are college educated and all are charged with establishing and upholding standards. I'd give a junior enlisted a pass..not an officwr.
She knew what she was doing was wrong. She should get fucked....by the Air Force and not just the general
Red Flag 1
03-20-2016, 10:29
Bullshit.
For officers it is a profession. All are college educated and all are charged with establishing and upholding standards. I'd give a junior enlisted a pass..not an officwr.
She knew what she was doing was wrong. She should get fucked....by the Air Force and not just the general
I agree with the thought that both were at fault. Could she be charged? There is that possibility. Still, this is the "USAF-v-Lt. Gen. Hesterman". The general has lost and awaiting just what his irresponsible actions are going to cost him.
bailaviborita
03-20-2016, 11:34
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/local/marine/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_marine%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
In a dark-panelled courtroom filled with men in uniforms, Stadler’s friend sat at a witness stand directly facing the nine jurors and described getting so drunk she couldn’t recall how she wound up naked. She then recounted feeling Thompson penetrate her, throwing up afterward and stumbling back to her dorm room. Stadler had to go even further, not just detailing that night, but also her other alleged liaisons with Thompson: sex for the first time in his bedroom, sex with him and another military officer she’d just met, sex on the night of her graduation.
So- in this case they seemed to have done the right thing- even with the f'd up NCIS investigation (must be like our CID!!!): they got rid of a bad cadet and effectively ended the career of the major. Unfortunately, in my experience- there are A LOT of women like that--- they are not the exception...
Generals bang subordinates...Presidents do so...
but, because of 'professionalism' this will not be an issue on an ODA in bmfk Egypt AND it will not destroy the teams cohesion or morale.
The same General banging a subordinate says so.
He was not banging her he was mentoring her. Get the words right or off to the reeducation camp for you.
Oh, forgot.
I remember the first time we had College ROTC Cadets when I was a BCT Drill Sgt. with no life living in the barracks....there I was, knee deep in.....
You're scaring me with the fact that you know SO much about it!
...if a good SF guy needs to speak a foreign language to be effective when operating OCONUS, then why shouldn't I be proficient in NewSpeak in order to stay on top of things when I am CONUS.
It time to learn how to communicate in NewSpeak my friend; your sanity depends on it...
...you don't have to assimilate, just learn how to speak the language.
Plus it confuses the hell out of people when they can't figure out if you are serious or not.
Generals bang subordinates...Presidents do so...
but, because of 'professionalism' this will not be an issue on an ODA in bmfk Egypt AND it will not destroy the teams cohesion or morale.
The same General banging a subordinate says so.
Exactly. The same married senior leaders saying women and men can operate seamlessly and interchangeably in combat-focused small units can't seem to keep their hands off female officers at a record-setting pace in an office environment.
Exactly. The same married senior leaders saying women and men can operate seamlessly and interchangeably in combat-focused small units can't seem to keep their hands off female officers at a record-setting pace in an office environment.
True...
...but they are working in an office environment. Once women are employed in combat focused small units, professionalism will take over and we will all see how great a move this was.
...and if it fails, it will be proof that the hypermale, patriarchal military society cannot adapt. Then we will simply put some controls in place that will eliminate those poor small unit leaders that let this effort fail.
I saw the video... failure will be a small unit leader failure.
UWOA (RIP)
03-21-2016, 10:22
True...
...but they are working in an office environment. Once women are employed in combat focused small units, professionalism will take over and we will all see how great a move this was.
...and if it fails, it will be proof that the hypermale, patriarchal military society cannot adapt. Then we will simply put some controls in place that will eliminate those poor small unit leaders that let this effort fail.
I saw the video... failure will be a small unit leader failure.
Billy, I corrected the typo:
...but they are working in an office environment. Once women are employed in combat focused small units, professionalism will take over and we will all see how great a movie this was.
...and if it fails, it will be proof that the hypermale, patriarchal military society cannot adapt. Then we will simply put some controls in place that will eliminate those poor small unit leaders that let this effort fail.
I saw the video... failure will be a small unit leader failure.
:munchin
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Streck-Fu
03-21-2016, 10:37
I don't have her name. Here it an AF Times article on the Lt.Gen., before anything broke; not exactly a stud:http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/careers/air-force/officer/2015/06/03/afcent-commander-nominated-to-join-air-staff/28406447/.
Umm, well, wow, then.....
To hear Manhart tell it, she expected a dust-up, never a demotion, for the fleshy spread titled "Tough Love." Her critics wonder how she could have been so naïve.
Regardless, Manhart's punishment gave her sudden celebrity, setting off a media blitz, online debates, talk show spats and more.
"Some people say, 'She had her 15 minutes of fame. Now shut up,'" Manhart says. "Some say, 'Girl, take it for all its worth.'"
Manhart says she does not plan to shut up. She is hustling to spin her high-profile punishment into a lasting celebrity career.
In days, she'll go to her next high-profile modeling gig, with People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. Manhart will pose wearing only an American flag for the group's "I'd Rather Go Naked than Wear Fur" national campaign. In coming weeks, her Los Angeles agent will negotiate with reality TV producers and try to secure a World Wrestling Entertainment diva role.
Streck-Fu
03-21-2016, 10:45
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/local/marine/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_marine%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
Why doesn't the journalist ask how the texts presented at the end of the article were not part of the evidence if the prosecutors got the phone with the cracked display? Would she really still possess it after it served as evidence and the journalists was able to show all the incriminating texts well after the trial?
This just stinks a little:
The lack of digital evidence was baffling. The case centered on events that occurred in 2011, a time when many other criminal convictions were won with the help of texts, emails and Facebook messages.
Where was all that?
I later discovered a picture of the 21-year-old, still in the black dress and pearls she’d worn to the croquet match, sitting at a table inside Thompson’s home on the night of the alleged threesome. It had been posted openly on Facebook since May 2011, though prosecutors never presented it as evidence at trial.
Investigators also never found Stadler’s phone. It might have played a significant role at the court-martial, but Stadler believed she had thrown it away long before the probe began.
Its screen, she recalled, was cracked.
Anyway, agents said Stadler told them she had “deleted correspondence” with Thompson.
More than a year after the case was opened, investigators did retrieve the 21-year-old accuser’s cellphone from her — and its contents were jarring.
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Now, three years after the trial, with her military career destroyed, she had asked for a reporter to call her?
The 28-year-old woman who answered the phone in January knew what she’d sounded like back then:
Struggling to explain the questionable text messages she exchanged with the other accuser. Claiming to not remember meeting another man at a bar after the alleged threesome. Lying about her relationship with the enlisted sailor.
Yet Stadler insisted she was being honest about Thompson.
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At the end of our interview, I asked Stadler if she wanted to say anything more. She told me she would think about it.
An hour later, Stadler called back. She was sobbing.
“I feel like an idiot,” she said.
Discussing the case again, she told me, had made her think about her old cellphone.
What if, Stadler wondered, she hadn’t thrown it away? What if, somehow, it had survived?
She immediately hunted through a collection of plastic moving crates, and within one she found a small tin box. And there, inside it, she discovered a phone with a bright yellow case and a cracked screen.
Stadler rushed to her computer to plug it in. The device hadn’t been charged for five years. She doubted it would work, and even if it did, what could she possibly salvage from it? Thompson, she said, always insisted that she delete any sexually explicit messages.
Stadler waited. Then, suddenly, beneath the web of fractures, her screen glowed.