islamic terrorist attack San Bernadino, CA

[Divemaster]

Early reports of 20+ victims.

SB County Sheriff ‏@sbcountysheriff 9m9 minutes ago
.@SanBernardinoPD has confirmed an active shooter in the area of Orange Show Rd/ Waterman Ave near Park center. #SBCSD assisting.

Update: KABC reports 12 fatalities "confirmed" & 1 to 3 suspects.

SB County Sheriff ‏@sbcountysheriff 4m4 minutes ago
.@SanBernardinoPD has confirmed 1to3 possible suspects.Multiple victims. #SBCSD &other agencies assisting. More info to come. #SanBernardino

[akv]

Prayers Out

[BryanK]

Eyewitness accounts of up to 3 shooters, and they're wearing body armor:

http://ktla.com/2015/12/02/authorities-respond-to-20-victim-shooting-incident-in-san-bernardino-fire-dept/

Prayers to the wounded for a speedy recovery, and hopefully no one else gets wounded or dies by the hands of these cowards. Brace yourselves, the gun control folks are about to go nuclear again...

[CAARNG 68W]

I know that area vaguely, not far from the DMV. Had FOX on literally like 20 minutes ago while reading some of the old threads in the 19th SFG forum.

The buildings look reminiscent of a private office building or private college. Apparently there is as many as 3 shooters and more than a dozen fatalities.

Absolutely tragic.

[Sdiver]

Listen live here ----> http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/8710/web

Other feeds in the area ----> http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/ctid/218

From the above feeds: Active shooter >10 dead. Inland Regional Center, 1365 S Waterman Ave, San Bernardino. CHP assisting SBPD and Sheriff. (16 minutes ago)

ETA ....
Another feed -----> http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web

[Streck-Fu]

I can't listen to the live feeds. The talking heads are just rambling on....

[Axe]

I thought California's strict gun laws prevent this kind of incident from occurring!

Prayers to the wounded and fallen and their families.

[Divemaster]

Conflicting info on police scanner.

1. Police searching for a black GMC SUV containing 2-3 Hispanic or Middle Eastern males wearing tactical vests and ski masks.

2. A witness said she believed the shooter was a disgruntled country worker who was "acting weird" recently.

Most traffic seems to be going with #1.

[Sohei]

Rest In Peace to the fallen!

Prayers out for the recovery of the wounded!

[SF-TX]

Brace yourselves, the gun control folks are about to go nuclear again...

That didn't take long:

Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom, who has introduced a gun-control proposal ahead of the next legislative session , cited today's shootings as an example of why such measures are needed.

“What more evidence do you need that we need to step it up as it relates to gun safety in this state? It is just unacceptable what is going on in this country. And California needs to lead the way,” Newsom said following an event with the California Nurses Assn. in Los Angeles.

“Today’s tragedy just reinforces the imperative to not wait around for Congress to their job, but for this state to do its job. And giving the voters the opportunity to do that directly is something that I think is important because the NRA even in a democratic state has intimidated politicians in Sacramento.”

Source (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-live-updates-htmlstory.html)

[mark46th]

"1. Police searching for a black GMC SUV containing 2-3 Hispanic or Middle Eastern males wearing tactical vests and ski masks." Divemaster

I doubt they are Hispanic. I haven't heard of any Hispanic terrorist group operating in the U.S. since F.A.L.N. of Puerto Rico back in the 1980's. Sooooo, guess I'd be looking for, (dare I say it?) Islamic terrorists.

[Divemaster]

"1. Police searching for a black GMC SUV containing 2-3 Hispanic or Middle Eastern males wearing tactical vests and ski masks." Divemaster

I doubt they are Hispanic. I haven't heard of any Hispanic terrorist group operating in the U.S. since F.A.L.N. of Puerto Rico back in the 1980's. Sooooo, guess I'd be looking for, (dare I say it?) Islamic terrorists.

It could still turn out to be a single shooter/employee. It seems confusion is the order of the day...for the moment. Press conference in 2 mikes.

[Dusty]

"1. Police searching for a black GMC SUV containing 2-3 Hispanic or Middle Eastern males wearing tactical vests and ski masks." Divemaster

I doubt they are Hispanic. I haven't heard of any Hispanic terrorist group operating in the U.S. since F.A.L.N. of Puerto Rico back in the 1980's. Sooooo, guess I'd be looking for, (dare I say it?) Islamic terrorists.


No such thing, according to this administration.

[Divemaster]

It could still turn out to be a single shooter/employee.

Nope. San Bernardino PD Chief confirms multiple suspects fled the scene.

[Team Sergeant]

Next to a old folks home this is about as undefended a facility can be.

Three cowards. I hope they catch them and give all three a dirt nap.

And if you have a "black" SUV get the F**k off the Calif roads right now!!!

[mojaveman]

Work just a few miles from there. Heard all of the helicopters. Has all the indicators of a terrorist attack.

[atticus finch]

"1. Police searching for a black GMC SUV containing 2-3 Hispanic or Middle Eastern males wearing tactical vests and ski masks." Divemaster

I doubt they are Hispanic. I haven't heard of any Hispanic terrorist group operating in the U.S. since F.A.L.N. of Puerto Rico back in the 1980's. Sooooo, guess I'd be looking for, (dare I say it?) Islamic terrorists.

How do say this politely? As for it being islamic, there is a name mentioned already which does sound middle eastern, and I genuinely hope it turns out to be islamics who've done this. If only to destroy the wrongful political benefit the left will try to achieve from this and by doing so is such an insult to the lives lost in these tragedies.
If these peoples deaths can bring any good, then let it be the entire country sees what these islamic monsters really are before the evil of thier ideology really takes root in this country with the predictable results.
Rather than the left continuing to foment the lies of what they say about islam & so forth and get away with it and the public being fooled by the lies and allowing this evil to continue to grow.

[Golf1echo]

Next to a old folks home this is about as undefended a facility can be.

Three cowards. I hope they catch them and give all three a dirt nap.

And if you have a "black" SUV get the F**k off the Calif roads right now!!!

That, or reopen the Yuma Territorial Prison and get the inmates to chisel out additional accommodations and building aggregate. The first casualty in incidences like these are consequences.

[CAARNG 68W]

This being California, and particularly San Bernardino, I'm beginning to think this is drug cartel violence.

[Dusty]

How do say this politely? As for it being islamic, there is a name mentioned already which does sound middle eastern, and I genuinely hope it turns out to be islamics who've done this.

"white Islamic", no doubt.

[Dusty]

What's this about a "suspect in custody"? Saw that on YAHOO with no follow-up.

[Richard]

San Berdoo SD 5 mins ago:

"Officers say one suspect is in the stopped black SUV and one is down outside the vehicle."

"One suspect laying in backseat, possibly injured, with an automatic rifle strapped to his chest."

"An armored police vehicle is moving in on the suspect vehicle."

"Update: the number of wounded is 17 and the deceased remains 14."

"SWAT officers behind protective wall now attempting to open a passenger door on the suspect SUV."

We should learn something about them soon.

Richard

[Paslode]

Next to a old folks home this is about as undefended a facility can be.

Three cowards. I hope they catch them and give all three a dirt nap.

And if you have a "black" SUV get the F**k off the Calif roads right now!!!


Whomever it was it appears they may have done some recon, as some in the building thought it was just another shooter drill that they have become accustomed too.

[Divemaster]

Interesting. The name Farouk (sp) as one of the suspects is beginning to circulate.

[Divemaster]

Local live TV coverage: http://abc7.com/live/

[blacksmoke]

Prayers to the dead and wounded. Watching my recorded nightly news, female witness says men were white skinned and athletically built. That witness had an ME sounding name:munchin

[ddoering]

"white Islamic", no doubt.

I just spit my drink all over my screen. Thanks Dusty.

[Dusty]

Some head said "Islamic" on Fox and got cautioned by O'reilly.
This thing looks like a spray 'n' run a la Paris.
They might already have a couple dead attackers and one barricaded (or something along those lines).

[Divemaster]

Police:

"IED found" (I didn't get a location, but possibly a parking lot)
"Getting people behind hard cover buildings"
"Stay a minimum of 50 yards away"

Yeah, not your "everyday" mass shooting.

[Dusty]

Police:

"IED found" (I didn't get a location, but possibly a parking lot)
"Getting people behind hard cover buildings"
"Stay a minimum of 50 yards away"

Yeah, not your "everyday" mass shooting.

Nope.
The AO's locked down, too.

[Dusty]

This one's gonna be hard to spin, but they'll give it a shot; I guarantee it.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/12/02/obama-calls-for-common-sense-gun-safety-laws-in-wake-of-san-bernardino-shooting/

[UWOA (RIP)]

I'm thinking radicalized jihadis who picked a very soft target with a follow-on target of first responders, but their plan got interrupted by an inquisitive officer that started the gunfight ... the IEDs they were throwing from the vehicle instead employing at the initial site (plus their close proximity to that location) seem to point to this. If the first officer called in the plate before attempting the stop, like I think he did, that's all she wrote. Next up they need to do a thorough vetting of the shooters to find the auxiliary that supported their mission.

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[UWOA (RIP)]

Where do the newsies get these so called experts ... I heard one referring to .223 and 5.56 as being different ammunition. What a bunch of macaroons!

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[blacksmoke]

1 male 1 female. Hope they weren't on that list of 48 ISIS. Cops know who they have, not releasing name.

[Divemaster]

When indeed?

Ben Shapiro ‏@benshapiro 18m 18 minutes ago
When is the last time police could describe the clothing of dead suspects but said their race was a mystery?

[blacksmoke]

I bet if they were sporting confederate flag tattoos we'd know already.

[Paslode]

When indeed?

Ben Shapiro ‏@benshapiro 18m 18 minutes ago
When is the last time police could describe the clothing of dead suspects but said their race was a mystery?


Liberal retardation at its finest.

[Divemaster]

So who is the EKIA female?

NBC News ‏@NBCNews 41 minutes ago
JUST IN: Suspect in #SanBernardino shooting ID'd as Syed Farook; Another believed to be Farook's brother: Sources http://nbcnews.to/1jzGUyd

[Paslode]

Tayyeep Bin Ardogan

[blacksmoke]

Phew.. At least now we know it was just workplace violence. Watching the EOD robot go through looking for an ied, I think the cats already out of the bag.

[CAARNG 68W]

Phew.. At least now we know it was just workplace violence. Watching the EOD robot go through looking for an ied, I think the cats already out of the bag.

Syed Farook is an employee of the San Bernardino Health Services, etc. without snark or sarcasm it's actually appearing to be that.

[Divemaster]

Syed Farook is an employee of the San Bernardino Health Services, etc. without snark or sarcasm it's actually appearing to be that.

With three shooters? Uh-huh. And then there's this (jump to the last line if you like):

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/suspect-involved-calif-massacre-identified-article-1.2453471?cid=bitly

EXCLUSIVE: Father of San Bernardino shooting suspect Syed Farook says son worked as health tech inspecting restaurants, hotels

One of the suspects in Wednesday’s mass shooting in San Bernardino, Calif. has been identified as Syed Farook, according to reports.

Farook was linked to the horrific slaughter that took place at the Inland Regional Center, according to NBC News.

After police announced that two suspects — a male and a female — were dead following a car chase and shoot out with police, a search began at a nearby Redlands apartment linked to the suspects.

A man who identified himself as Farook’s father told the Daily News his son worked as a health technician inspecting restaurants and hotels.

“I haven’t heard anything. He worked in a county office,” Farook's dad told The News. “He’s married and has a kid. We’re estranged because my wife got the divorce, and they are together. She doesn’t want to see me.”

Farook said he hasn’t seen his son in some time.

“He was very religious. He would go to work, come back, go to pray, come back. He’s Muslim.”

[blacksmoke]

Sometimes when I get pissed at work I get suited up in my airsofter outfit with my girl and just imagine shooting people lol. They threw a pipe with caps and a wick that turned out to be fake. This was planned, and done with at least one, maybe two accomplices.

I should add, just being a smart ass but my dollars are on jihad. Getting the female involved seems strange though. Where do you find one like that??

[Paslode]

Syed Farook is an employee of the San Bernardino Health Services, etc. without snark or sarcasm it's actually appearing to be that.


Ben Rhodes may be trying to write up tomorrows latest fiction for Obama, but with multiple Muzzie shooters and possibly pipe bombs it was pre-planned.

It was TERRORISM.

[Patriot007]

"Cool black SUV, Syed. Want to bring it to the White House?"

[Paslode]

"Cool black SUV, Syed. Want to bring it to the White House?"

If I had a son he would look and act like Syed.

[PSM]

Syed Farook is an employee of the San Bernardino Health Services, etc. without snark or sarcasm it's actually appearing to be that.

Could be both. Get pissed off at work and then say, "F**k it. Time to go jihading on their ass."

Pat

[Mills]

The left couldnt wait to run to the far left on this one.

Looks like they might have jumped the gun.

Prayers to the fallen

Our politicians should be ashamed of themselves, if the media takes advantage of this, they can really damage the credibility of the entire democratic / socialist party.

When will we realize that Islam is the problem.

[Tree Potato]

"Cool black SUV, Syed. Want to bring it to the White House?"

"...and bring some of your cool homemade pipe-shaped clocks too!"

[Divemaster]

Face palm. Hasn't he died yet of an arrogance infarction, old age, or something?

Geraldo Rivera ‏@GeraldoRivera 5 hours ago
The key now is for us to be as outraged by San Bernadino massacre as we would be if Muslim extremists were doing the killing. This is terror

[SABERTOOTH]

The left couldnt wait to run to the far left on this one.

Looks like they might have jumped the gun.

Prayers to the fallen

Our politicians should be ashamed of themselves, if the media takes advantage of this, they can really damage the credibility of the entire democratic / socialist party.

When will we realize that Islam is the problem.

Don't hold your breath...I went on facebook and liberals are already twisting this so that its easier to swallow. A lot of people are saying that it was staged and that the cops could have never got there that fast. It is times like these that I feel that we might have to reach rock bottom to actually recover from how backwards the left has made this country. "As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore. A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information, the facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures. Even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him concentration camp, he will refuse to believe it." -Yuri Bezmenov

[PSM]

Face palm. Hasn't he died yet of an arrogance infarction, old age, or something?

101st Airborne had their chance. ;)

Pat

[Divemaster]

BTW, the Jester has been breaking the news on suspects names hours before the news media.

[Sdiver]

BTW, the Jester has been breaking the news on suspects names hours before the news media.

He just put this up ...

ANOTHER SUSPECT IN #SANBERNARDINO IDENTIFIED BY POLICE AS QATARI CITIZEN 'TAYYEEP BIN ARDOGAN', 28

[PSM]

BTW, salute to San Berdoo Police! They didn't go around lighting up every black SUV like LAPD did in the Dorner pickup search.

Pat

[miclo18d]

Could be both. Get pissed off at work and then say, "F**k it. Time to go jihading on their ass."

Pat

These were my thoughts exactly!

Get pissed off at work and decide that I will use my religion to exact revenge for my sh*tty work performance. Derka derka mohammed jihad.

[(1VB)compforce]

Could be both. Get pissed off at work and then say, "F**k it. Time to go jihading on their ass."

Pat

Not likely.

Automatic weapons (which CNN is saying were purchased legally)
Black powder pipe bombs
radio detonated IED (unexploded)
"IED facility"
Child was dropped off at Grandma's prior
Three shooters

There was too much preparation and too many people involved. Getting pissed and going jihadi would have been a lone wolf attack with whatever they had on hand.

I think it's possible that they were planning something else, got pissed and moved up the time table. Either way, it was premeditated and a terrorist action, not workplace violence.

[Dusty]

Prayers out to the families.

[Team Sergeant]

Could be both. Get pissed off at work and then say, "F**k it. Time to go jihading on their ass."

Pat

Spare me, you don't talk two others into violent suicide because some fat chick turned you down.

Bombs and the mass murder of the innocent are the calling cards of islamic terrorists.

We forgetting France just had their muslim, islamic, terrorist attack?

[ddoering]

The lame stream media is struggling to find any reason other than radical Islamic terrorism. Maybe his SNAP card got turned off.:boohoo:rolleyes:

[Paslode]

This should leave question that this was terrorism by terrorist scum.

They were wearing GoPro cameras when they were killed. The couple were at home when officers arrived and then took off and were followed by police when they were shot dead.

It’s not clear at this time if they had time to download their wicked deeds on a computer or online before they were killed.
The couple must have spent many hours planning the terrorist attack.

Several jihadists in Europe have worn cameras during their bloody attacks in the past year.




http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/12/police-san-bernardino-killers-were-wearing-gopro-cameras-during-massacre/

[TrapLine]

Perhaps the shooters planned this to coincide with the office "holiday party" because the infidels celebrate the wrong holiday.

[UWOA (RIP)]

Syed Farook is an employee of the San Bernardino Health Services, etc. without snark or sarcasm it's actually appearing to be that.

Oh, come'on now! That's like saying Hasan at Fort Hood shooting up the post was workplace violence and the wounded who are now wearing purple hearts from the incident are posers ... give me a break. Even though I spent 34 years as a police officer and did profiling (forensic pyschology) on homicides for agencies in the Central Indiana area, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to connect the dots. You've got to see the forest for trees ....

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[UWOA (RIP)]

Could be both. Get pissed off at work and then say, "F**k it. Time to go jihading on their ass."

Pat

This mutt was radicalized. Traveled to Saudi Arabia and 'took' a wife. Grows a beard. His father says he's a devout Muslim. Let's connect the dots folks ....

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[UWOA (RIP)]

These were my thoughts exactly!

Get pissed off at work and decide that I will use my religion to exact revenge for my sh*tty work performance. Derka derka mohammed jihad.

I respectfully disagree. Accomplices indicate that is was more than this ....

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[UWOA (RIP)]

Not likely.

Automatic weapons (which CNN is saying were purchased legally)
Black powder pipe bombs
radio detonated IED (unexploded)
"IED facility"
Child was dropped off at Grandma's prior
Three shooters

There was too much preparation and too many people involved. Getting pissed and going jihadi would have been a lone wolf attack with whatever they had on hand.

I think it's possible that they were planning something else, got pissed and moved up the time table. Either way, it was premeditated and a terrorist action, not workplace violence.

Well said! I agree.

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[Team Sergeant]

Nice to know that America's 5 trillion dollar intelligence services caught that attack before it happened.

FBI, NSA, DHS, Fusion Centers, be damn lucky I'm not in charge or you'd be facing a 50-70% budget cut. Yeah how's that for hope and change.

My idea, cut all the "executive" bonuses in all the federal government "spy" agencies and give it all to those cops that took down these spineless islamic scum.


And somewhere out there is a goat that is now a widower.....

[UWOA (RIP)]

Nice to know that America's 5 trillion dollar intelligence services caught that attack before it happened.

FBI, NSA, DHS, Fusion Centers, be damn lucky I'm not in charge or you'd be facing a 50-70% budget cut. Yeah how's that for hope and change.

My idea, cut all the "executive" bonuses in all the federal government "spy" agencies and give it all to those cops that took down these spineless islamic scum.


And somewhere out there is a goat that is now a widower.....

Right on point, Top! I agree; when do we start the letter campaign!

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[SF-TX]

This mutt was radicalized. Traveled to Saudi Arabia and 'took' a wife. Grows a beard. His father says he's a devout Muslim. Let's connect the dots folks ....

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So, you are saying there is a chance it could be workplace violence?

All the Islamic apologists remind me of Jim Carrey in this scene from Dumb and Dumber:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFTRwD85AQ4

[UWOA (RIP)]

So, you are saying there is a chance it could be workplace violence?

All the Islamic apologists remind me of Jim Carrey in this scene from Dumb and Dumber:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFTRwD85AQ4

No, sir. Read my earlier posts. I'm saying the exact opposite. It was a soft target of convenience where the intel was readily available because of the mutt's job. Radicalization infers a home grown terrorist. The fact of the matter is that he was born here; we don't teach that shit here.

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[Team Sergeant]

This mutt was radicalized. Traveled to Saudi Arabia and 'took' a wife. Grows a beard. His father says he's a devout Muslim. Let's connect the dots folks ....

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Yeah, as soon as he became a spineless muslim.

Makes you wonder how long will it take the (low IQ) American people to figure out the house of saud is actually our enemy...... if 20 out of 20 9/11 bombers didn't do it then we might as well forget it.

I'm sure clock-bomb-boy is out there taking notes.

[UWOA (RIP)]

A delayed, but nonetheless important, prayers out to the fallen.

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[SF-TX]

No, sir. Read my earlier posts. I'm saying the exact opposite. It was a soft target of convenience where the intel was readily available because of the mutt's job. Radicalization infers a home grown terrorist. The fact of the matter is that he was born here; we don't teach that shit here.

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I hate using pink font. You couldn't 'hear' the sarcasm in my voice?;)

[Team Sergeant]

I hate using pink font. You couldn't 'hear' the sarcasm in my voice?;)

I hear ya...... UWOA is probably sexting and too busy to notice! ;)

[tonyz]

The MUSLIM murderers were wearing random GoPro cameras...had bombs...

...presumably to upload their murderous deeds as a YouTube video to illustrate the obvious connection between our primary national security threat...global warming and murder...man, that SoCal weather can be a bitch...or perhaps...

...a lack of MUSLIM jobs programs...but...the shooters were driving a Cadillac Escalade or GMC Denali or similar..

...hat tip to Obama, Bernie, Marie Harff, John Kerry, the Hildabeast and all other leftists in abject DENIAL.

Full throttle insane levels of DENIAL !

Hey Obama and all other leftist, statist, commie DENIERS...this is called a clue...M-U-S-L-I-M EXTREMISTS !

There is no middle ground. Either they win or we win.

[Paslode]

The MUSLIM murderers were wearing GoPro cameras...had bombs...

...presumably to upload their murderous deeds as a YouTube video to illustrate the obvious connection between our primary national security threat...global warming and murder...or perhaps...

...a lack of MUSLIM jobs programs...but...the shooters were driving a Cadillac Escalade or GMC Denali or similar..

...hat tip to Obama, Bernie, Marie Harff, John Kerry, the Hildabeast and all other leftists in abject DENIAL.

Full throttle insane levels of DENIAL !

Hey Obama and all other leftist, statist, commie DENIERS...this is called a clue...M-U-S-L-I-M EXTREMISTS !

There is no middle ground. Either they win or we win.

I believe we have crossed the line were anyone one can claim deniability, no one is that stupid. We have crossed the line into intentionally knowing, allowing, funding and promoting....aiding and abetting criminals.

Fundamentally Transforming the United States of America aka Subversion......

[UWOA (RIP)]

I hear ya...... UWOA is probably sexting and too busy to notice! ;)

Ow, ow, ow! Hey, I was an officer -- I usually have an NCO around to interpret stuff so I don't go too far astray; I don't do non-pink humor well. My parents taught me to never read between the lines, they always moved in circles .... I ....

Got me. LOL.

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[UWOA (RIP)]

I hate using pink font. You couldn't 'hear' the sarcasm in my voice?;)

Oops! I hear ya now ....

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[PSM]

This mutt was radicalized. Traveled to Saudi Arabia and 'took' a wife. Grows a beard. His father says he's a devout Muslim. Let's connect the dots folks ....

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Agreed. But they were clearly prepared for something larger. I'm just wondering if something or someone at work set him off early and, perhaps, stopped an even larger attack.

Pat

[Old Dog New Trick]

JMO -

Me thinks you guys are missing the reverse of this. Farook was the pawn who bitched and complained about his job and relations at work. The "wife" was the radicalized Muslim follower and "master mind" who convinced the husband on seeking revenge at a pre-planned and advanced notice "Christmas Party" to launch an attack against the "infidels."

So yes, it's technically "workplace violence" with an Islamic "terrorism" twist. The idea that they could get away with it or, planned a follow on attack somewhere else just shows that some thought went into it. Albeit not a very good plan but more than spontaneous grievance. The brief hostile encounter in the mornings was the trigger to carry out the fantasy.

I think a product of ongoing social media, television, extreme beliefs, political dysfunction and a truly fu*ked up view of reality. In other words - society if fucked and these fuck-ups used it as a motivation.

Men may be asshats but, women are truly evil!!!

This "act" doesn't meet the definition of terrorism but it does fall within the realm of workplace violence with a religious or cultural undertone is Islamic hate for western values. So yes, it's terrorism!

[tonyz]

JMO -

Me thinks you guys are missing the reverse of this. Farook was the pawn who bitched and complained about his job and relations at work. The "wife" was the radicalized Muslim follower and "master mind" who convinced the husband on seeking revenge at a pre-planned and advanced notice "Christmas Party" to launch an attack against the "infidels."

So yes, it's technically "workplace violence" with an Islamic "terrorism" twist. The idea that they could get away with it or, planned a follow on attack somewhere else just shows that some thought went into it. Albeit not a very good plan but more than spontaneous grievance. The brief hostile encounter in the mornings was the trigger to carry out the fantasy.

I think a product of ongoing social media, television, extreme beliefs, political dysfunction and a truly fu*ked up view of reality. In other words - society if fucked and these fuck-ups used it as a motivation.

Men may be asshats but, women are truly evil!!!

This "act" doesn't meet the definition of terrorism but it does fall within the realm of workplace violence with a religious or cultural undertone is Islamic hate for western values. So yes, it's terrorism!

Concur - the Saudi wife may be the handler/enabler...as others have said...so much for any confidence in our supposed MUSLIM "refugee" vetting process...

[Streck-Fu]

The wife being a Paki living in Saudi, the marriage may have been for no other reason than for her immigration and she is the handler in this.

[tonyz]

The wife being a Paki living in Saudi, the marriage may have been for no other reason than for her immigration and she is the handler in this.

Thank you for the clarification Streck-Fu - yes the MUSLIM husband and wife team - allegedly consisted of an American MUSLIM and Pakistani MUSLIM who lived in Saudi Arabia before traveling to America...

The Paris - Mumbai type MUSLIM attacks have reached America.

The DENIERS are rapidly becoming - or have become - enablers.

[TrapLine]

I expect CA will likely ban "holiday parties" to prevent future problems before addressing the real issue. How long before we hear the apologists blame this on the insensitive culture of the party participants?:mad:

[Old Dog New Trick]

The next logical step would be to make the family persona non grata including the baby and deport them back to where they once came from. Even though the "children" were apparently born "American". With the profound message- this will not end well!

Control your offspring or else.

Clock-Boy needs neighbors who speak English.

[Old Dog New Trick]

I expect CA will likely ban "holiday parties" to prevent future problems before addressing the real issue. How long before we hear the apologists blame this on the insensitive culture of the party participants?:mad:

I suspect you're right. Tick-Tock!

I've wondered of late how much longer we're going to celebrate "Christmas and Easter" as a holiday?

[PedOncoDoc]

I suspect you're right. Tick-Tock!

I've wondered of late how much longer we're going to celebrate "Christmas and Easter" as a holiday?

I've never celebrated "Christmas and Eater" as a holdiay - I've celebrated them as 2 holidays. :p

[Old Dog New Trick]

I've never celebrated "Christmas and Eater" as a holdiay - I've celebrated them as 2 holidays. :p

Most people do. They are months a part. :p

[UWOA (RIP)]

JMO -

Me thinks you guys are missing the reverse of this. Farook was the pawn who bitched and complained about his job and relations at work. The "wife" was the radicalized Muslim follower and "master mind" who convinced the husband on seeking revenge at a pre-planned and advanced notice "Christmas Party" to launch an attack against the "infidels."

So yes, it's technically "workplace violence" with an Islamic "terrorism" twist. The idea that they could get away with it or, planned a follow on attack somewhere else just shows that some thought went into it. Albeit not a very good plan but more than spontaneous grievance. The brief hostile encounter in the mornings was the trigger to carry out the fantasy.

I think a product of ongoing social media, television, extreme beliefs, political dysfunction and a truly fu*ked up view of reality. In other words - society if fucked and these fuck-ups used it as a motivation.

Men may be asshats but, women are truly evil!!!

This "act" doesn't meet the definition of terrorism but it does fall within the realm of workplace violence with a religious or cultural undertone is Islamic hate for western values. So yes, it's terrorism!

I definitely think that the wife had a major role, but I don't concur on who was running the show because of the intel/target choice. Remember that it took place during a Christian holiday celebration. That, I think, was the primer that set off the detonation.

.

[tonyz]

Body armor, masks, GoPros, and IED's...

...relatively recent travel to Saudi Arabia...

Both MUSLIM murderers...

Alleged Christmas party offense...

Sounds like just any other spontaneous pissed-off worker to me.

[Old Dog New Trick]

The "sheep" have been trained well.

"As soon as the gunfire started, everyone dropped to the floor and they were underneath desks, and she was trying to shield herself with a chair, along with a man next to her," Baldwin told the station. "Then, all of a sudden, she said she just felt it going through her back."

Out of about 30-people (ages unknown) it looks like they followed the wait and die protocol being taught in schools and businesses everywhere.

[Team Sergeant]

The "sheep" have been trained well.

"As soon as the gunfire started, everyone dropped to the floor and they were underneath desks, and she was trying to shield herself with a chair, along with a man next to her," Baldwin told the station. "Then, all of a sudden, she said she just felt it going through her back."

Out of about 30-people (ages unknown) it looks like they followed the wait and die protocol being taught in schools and businesses everywhere.

California sheeple, NYC sheeple, Massachusetts sheeple, etc. all follow the same "Wait and Die" protocol.

Makes it that much easier on the coward islamic terrorists, not running or chasing down your prey when you know after the first shot they are all on the floor waiting.

The "Wait and Die" protocol sure operates in stark contrast to the "fight or flight" response. I'm not sure there is any other animal species that simply lies down to die. Only liberal humans apply the "Wait and Die" protocol.

It's too bad our children are all being taught this.

And some tell me we are "evolving".......

[blacksmoke]

COULD NOT RESIST: US Safe From Paris Style Attack!!!


http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/politics/barack-obama-isis/index.html

[Streck-Fu]

Police just just confirmed that the perps rented the SUV a few days before the attack.

[Mycroft]

California sheeple, NYC sheeple, Massachusetts sheeple, etc. all follow the same "Wait and Die" protocol.

Makes it that much easier on the coward islamic terrorists, not running or chasing down your prey when you know after the first shot they are all on the floor waiting.

The "Wait and Die" protocol sure operates in stark contrast to the "fight or flight" response. I'm not sure there is any other animal species that simply lies down to die. Only liberal humans apply the "Wait and Die" protocol.

It's too bad our children are all being taught this.

And some tell me we are "evolving".......

FWIW, (not much at the moment, sadly)

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/office-of-partner-engagement/active-shooter-incidents/run-hide-fight-video

In 2012 the FBI updated their Active Shooter training for civilians from "Run and Hide" to "Run, Hide, Fight"

Though I like my chances with a handgun in those circumstances far better than the guy with the improvised weapon in the video...

Liberals have used mass shootings as trumpet calls for gun control for too long. Use this event as a trumpet call to encourage everyone to exercise their 2nd amendment rights:

Ulster County Sheriff: All Licensed Handgun Owners Should Carry Them (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/12/03/ulster-county-sheriff-carry-guns/)

[Old Dog New Trick]

I definitely think that the wife had a major role, but I don't concur on who was running the show because of the intel/target choice. Remember that it took place during a Christian holiday celebration. That, I think, was the primer that set off the detonation.

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Oh I definitely think the Holiday party was a pre-planned point of the attack. Everyone with a perceived grievance would be in the same location at the prescribed time.

It appears that planning and preparation for this is years in the making. Nothing about this seems to be spontaneous. It appears that going inside and attending the pre-party meeting was final rehearsal and a chance to make this appear to be workplace violence.

It now appears that the "sophisticated" IED was in a recent copy of 'Inspire' magazine.

[tonyz]

Nothing says "workplace violence" better than a MUSLIM with a remote controlled IED at the office Christmas party...and a house-full of reloads.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Nothing says "workplace violence" better than a MUSLIM with a remote controlled IED at the office Christmas party...and a housefull of reloads.

!

Sadly, that's funny.

Nothing says "I Love You" better than sharing the moment knee deep and spent brass, broken glass, and the smell of gun powder with your significant other.

[GratefulCitizen]

Terror school for the engagement.

He went to jihad's!

[CAARNG 68W]

I stand corrected; this was extremism. However, I believe it was, "those assholes I work with", that kicked off this dude's jihad. As if, he (and his wife), were waiting to commit a Paris-esque attack, even long before the Paris attack was committed, and his experiences and relationship with his coworkers prompted the attack to happen far earlier than planned. He, they (him and his very shady wife) acted impulsively and launched this attack instead of something with a far higher body count.

Essentially the couple launched a jihadi attack on the husband's coworkers due to the husband's relationship with his coworkers. The couple were anticipating to make a clean getaway and then launch more violent attacks with their stockpile of ammunition and IEDs.


What happened yesterday in 'The 909' was terrorism. The perpetrators specifically chose their target, but did so due to emotional involvement with one of the perpetrators relationship to the target - most terrorists do not do that, and instead chose targets based on inflicting the maximum amount of damage.

[Dusty]

I stand corrected; this was extremism. However, I believe it was, "those assholes I work with", that kicked off this dude's jihad. As if, he (and his wife), were waiting to commit a Paris-esque attack, even long before the Paris attack was committed, and his experiences and relationship with his coworkers prompted the attack to happen far earlier than planned. He, they (him and his very shady wife) acted impulsively and launched this attack instead of something with a far higher body count.

Essentially the couple launched a jihadi attack on the husband's coworkers due to the husband's relationship with his coworkers. The couple were anticipating to make a clean getaway and then launch more violent attacks with their stockpile of ammunition and IEDs.


What happened yesterday in 'The 909' was terrorism. The perpetrators specifically chose their target, but did so due to emotional involvement with one of the perpetrators relationship to the target - most terrorists do not do that, and instead chose targets based on inflicting the maximum amount of damage.

Sounds about right.
Kerry's thinking there's a justifying rationale now, I'm sure.
I'm sure the insultors were conservatives.

"The bottom line is, these assault weapons were bought legally!!!" -slimeballs

[CAARNG 68W]

There is the very strong chance that there are other conspirators.

A neighbor of the couple told CNN (I heard the repost of the their broadcast today on KFI) that they had seen 6 Middle Eastern man in the neighborhood at the couple's residence.

[Dusty]

There is the very strong chance that there are other conspirators.

A neighbor of the couple told CNN (I heard the repost of the their broadcast today on KFI) that they had seen 6 Middle Eastern man in the neighborhood at the couple's residence.

If you're talking jihadist conspirators we're probably up in the hundreds of thousands.

[tonyz]

If you're talking jihadist conspirators we're probably up in the hundreds of thousands.

And that's just SoCal...:eek:

[CAARNG 68W]

There is the very strong chance that there are other conspirators.

A neighbor of the couple told CNN (I heard the repost of the their broadcast today on KFI) that they had seen 6 Middle Eastern man in the neighborhood at the couple's residence.

If you're talking jihadist conspirators we're probably up in the hundreds of thousands.

And that's just SoCal...:eek:



The segment I heard was that neighbors thought the couple were suspicious and were dumbfounded to see 6 Middle Eastern men come and leave frequently. The neighbors were hesitant to say anything for fears of appearing prejudice - Jesus, Mary & Joseph. Not all in California, particularly So Cal are PC Pussies, but I'm surprised someone from what I perceive to be very Conservative (The IE/909) was afraid to appear prejudiced.


There will be another attack, this time is to me, is only slightly less uneasy than the months following the 9/11 Attack.


I was wrong in a previous post to question whether or not this was terrorism. Oddly enough I was browsing PS.com and was first informed off the shooting when I clicked on this thread. Turned Fox News back on, got the automated phone call from Sacramento and then called my Section Leader. But still I doubted or at the very least questioned if this was work place violence. What happened yesterday in The 909 was terrorism

[PSM]

SBSD CCW policy. Check out the fees. :eek: And it's only good for 2 years. If you qualify for one, that is.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Sumptin' to think about...

This is a new threat and one that will continue under the radar.

We have now witnessed the evolution of the "inside threat" and a twist on the terrorist handbook to create havoc, fear, panic, mass murder and then die in martyrdom terrorist action.

These people and there are most likely more than two involved. They infiltrated an organization through low key employment. Led the happy "American Dream" life (one man, a wife and new child) in suburban America. Conducted intelligence collection in broad daylight over years with undue attention, while acquiring the weapons, equipment, materials and transportation needed through legal means. Then executed their plan at a place and time of their choosing, and with all intents and purposes it looks like (Plan A) they felt they could pull it off and return to work the next day or hours later. Maybe even play the victim card and collect GoFundMe money.

They had a well developed plan but things didn't go as well as they had hoped. Too many answerable questions were evident in the early minutes to hours and too many would be victims had escaped the carnage. Every best plan fails on first contact. And theirs was foiled by a 15-minute pee break.

It's going to be nearly impossible (but not impossible) to know if they planned to go elsewhere and conduct another attack or if they planned to return the rented SUV on time and return to pick up their daughter from grandma's house, but it is known that they were still prepared for more. If "Plan A" goes to shit, we continue with "Plan B" - die a martyrs death at the local super mall in a hail of gunfire.

Good, no, great police work on the part of SBSD to follow leads and track them down. Even better that they didn't encounter the suspects in a populated area to end the event.

Really happy that it ended without a return to Boston or an hours long siege like Paris.

But what strikes me as absolutely absurd is the grandstanding of our POTUS and politicians (again, before the bodies are cold) that this is a gun control/mental health issue because the issue is why didn't one or more "County Employees/Supervisors" at a mental and physical disabilities hospital have access to personally owned weapons for self-protection in another Gun Free Zone?

The only way to stop an (insert descriptive derogatory word here) with a gun is someone (insert descriptive hero word here) else with a gun! That's it! It's that simple. Call 9-1-1 when it's over!

[PSM]

If "Plan A" goes to shit, we continue with "Plan B" - die a martyrs death at the local super mall in a hail of gunfire.


That is what I would have expected to have been their first target (and with others, may well have been). The very large Ontario Mills Mall is just a few miles west of where they struck.

Pat

[bailaviborita]

Muslim Americans fear demonization of Islam after mass shooting

http://news.yahoo.com/muslim-americans-fear-demonization-islam-mass-shooting-003237744.html

So, let me get this straight- the media is sympathetic towards the idea that we shouldn't demonize Muslims, but is okay with demonizing gun owners...

Hmmmm....

[Dusty]

I think this incident might turn out to be the most polarizing (gun people v. anti-) to date.
What I'd like to see happen is a conversion of many more idiots into a philosophy of common sense.
These "1. Run 2. Hide 3. Fight" guidelines are great for training ewes, but I'm thinking even a large portion of the DWTS crowd will start to realize the obvious thing to do from here on out is to pack heat and defend your own AO.

I'm interested to see how ammo/handgun/AR sales are gonna be affected short-term...

[miclo18d]

http://news.yahoo.com/muslim-americans-fear-demonization-islam-mass-shooting-003237744.html

So, let me get this straight- the media is sympathetic towards the idea that we shouldn't demonize Muslims, but is okay with demonizing gun owners...

Hmmmm....
I read a similar article too and dug into the source (New America Foundation, just another Soros/Center for American Progress funded State department influencer). To me, it seemed this article had been written years in advance; just knock the dust off and change some names kind of thing.

Also to top other off crappy reporting, I was listening to the radio on my way to work at 0720 EST the day after the attack, and a report came on that gun sales had already SURGED. :confused: :confused: how could they have already surged in just a few hours? Most gun stores in the EST were probably already closed and hadn't opened at 7am EST when I heard this trash!

Also another article I read this morning was an article from the Washington Slimes quoting this gem:Working to determine whether terrorism was the motive in the attack at a government-organized holiday party, officials scrambled to re-create the travels, contacts and lifestyle of Farook, a 28-year-old U.S. citizen of Pakistani descent, and his 27-year-old Pakistani wife.

Intelligence sources said there is still no explicit evidence linking the two to known terrorists on U.S. or foreign watch lists and that the couple was not on the FBI’s radar before Wednesday’s deadly shooting rampage. But their cache of thousands of rounds of ammunition and explosives found in a home that the couple rented raises major concerns about a wider plot, or a plan to act on their own to hit other targets.

Authorities have tracked down at least four people from the Los Angeles area who were previously under investigation by U.S. counterterrorism officials and were found to have had communication with Farook in the past, said a law enforcement source involved in the investigation.



These reporters don't even read their own drivel. How can people, Farook Fuckwad talked to, be under investigation and at the same time not be a link? WTFO???

[tonyz]

You know...for someone supposedly vetted by the "system" in order to legally enter and remain in this country...

...how come there are no pictures, yet, of the terrorist <rhymes with punt>?

Ok, bitch?:munchin

[Streck-Fu]

.....and with all intents and purposes it looks like (Plan A) they felt they could pull it off and return to work the next day or hours later. Maybe even play the victim card and collect GoFundMe money.
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In my limited knowledge, I don't think this is true. Their intention was to die. It all those immediately answerable questions stem from the fact they used their real names (at least he did) to rent the car and, probably. purchase ammunition and other materials. And they attacked the place he was known best, work. Sure they. wore masks, but he was still, more likely, recognized any way.

If these jihadists ever decide they want to live and start using aliases and forged documents, we will even be in more trouble.

[Brutus Fidus]

*deleted* quote not properly cited -see next

[Brutus Fidus]

I think this incident might turn out to be the most polarizing (gun people v. anti-) to date.
What I'd like to see happen is a conversion of many more idiots into a philosophy of common sense.
These "1. Run 2. Hide 3. Fight" guidelines are great for training ewes, but I'm thinking even a large portion of the DWTS crowd will start to realize the obvious thing to do from here on out is to pack heat and defend your own AO.

I'm interested to see how ammo/handgun/AR sales are gonna be affected short-term...

This very thing occured to me as well. I went into Cabellas yesterday afternoon to buy a pistol I've had my eye on. By 4pm, they were completely sold-out of ARs (the guy in front of me was buying the last one). I didnt pick up any ammo (probably should have), but there were a lot of folks there buying bulk.

[tonyz]

This very thing occured to me as well. I went into Cabellas yesterday afternoon to buy a pistol I've had my eye on. By 4pm, they were completely sold-out of ARs (the guy in front of me was buying the last one). I didnt pick up any ammo (probably should have), but there were a lot of folks there buying bulk.

Look at these stats...November 2015 was already strong. Paris was undoubtably on some minds. Black Friday is usually strong, anyway. I don't see demand decreasing after the latest MUSLIM terrorist hit inside the USA.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf

[Old Dog New Trick]

In my limited knowledge, I don't think this is true. Their intention was to die. It all those immediately answerable questions stem from the fact they used their real names (at least he did) to rent the car and, probably. purchase ammunition and other materials. And they attacked the place he was known best, work. Sure they. wore masks, but he was still, more likely, recognized any way.

If these jihadists ever decide they want to live and start using aliases and forged documents, we will even be in more trouble.

Those inclined to commit these kinds of acts have repeatedly shown they are not the sharpest knife in the drawer. They didn't need to rent a vehicle
(*) and if they wanted to kill his co-workers they didn't need to wear masks.

They didn't stay long enough to kill everyone and they didn't stay to battle it out with police in hostages situation and die a martyrs death.

So in my (not so limited) experience what caused them to have a cover story to grandma (we have a doctors appointment can you watch little Jihadi girl for a couple hours), rent an expensive BLACK SUV (in So. Cal) = (synonymous with white van or Ryder truck) dress up to conceal ones identity and actually leave before the media and police show up?) Leave his jacket behind at the meeting before leaving? (Why even go to the meeting (except well final recon and create an alibi.) Terrorists and terrorism requires notoriety and mass media attention directly related to a cause. These two did not have or state a cause or for whom they support. None of the surviving witnesses have stated publicly that they said anything to anyone before, during or after the attack. At this point they are no more notorious than Dick and Jane Jihad (only by ethnicity).

(*) All previous terror attacks in the USA by Islamic terrorist have used real names and drivers license info to rent the vehicles used: including Tim McVeigh. Fake ID's are seldom used for official reasons because of...reasons.

ETA: I should say they probably planned to die, just not at the county building. So damn good police work and a botched operation probably saved a lot of people somewhere else.

[Dusty]

Those inclined to commit these kinds of acts have repeatedly shown they are not the sharpest knife in the drawer. They didn't need to rent a vehicle
(*) and if they wanted to kill his co-workers they didn't need to wear masks.

They didn't stay long enough to kill everyone and they didn't stay to battle it out with police in hostages situation and die a martyrs death.

So in my (not so limited) experience what caused them to have a cover story to grandma (we have a doctors appointment can you watch little Jihadi girl for a couple hours), rent an expensive BLACK SUV (in So. Cal) = (synonymous with white van or Ryder truck) dress up to conceal ones identity and actually leave before the media and police show up?) Leave his jacket behind at the meeting before leaving? (Why even go to the meeting (except well final recon and create an alibi.) Terrorists and terrorism requires notoriety and mass media attention directly related to a cause. These two did not have or state a cause or for whom they support. None of the surviving witnesses have stated publicly that they said anything to anyone before, during or after the attack. At this point they are no more notorious than Dick and Jane Jihad (only by ethnicity).

(*) All previous terror attacks in the USA by Islamic terrorist have used real names and drivers license info to rent the vehicles used: including Tim McVeigh. Fake ID's are seldom used for official reasons because of...reasons.

ETA: I should say they probably planned to die, just not at the county building. So damn good police work and a botched operation probably saved a lot of people somewhere else.

Good stuff.

Hey-I bet Trump's numbers go up...:cool:

[Miles]

The "sheep" have been trained well.

"As soon as the gunfire started, everyone dropped to the floor and they were underneath desks, and she was trying to shield herself with a chair, along with a man next to her," Baldwin told the station. "Then, all of a sudden, she said she just felt it going through her back."

Out of about 30-people (ages unknown) it looks like they followed the wait and die protocol being taught in schools and businesses everywhere.

This is a posted email from a person on another BBS who's an ER/ICU nurse at one of the hospitals treating survivors (I know which one, but it's redacted on purpose).
I have found this person to be truthful and honest in the past so I have reason to believe this is a truthful recounting of events. Accept it at your own discretion.

XXXX,

Sorry I couldn't talk. I was taking care of a survivor of the shooting today. Turns out he was one of my peeps. Retired *********** sheriffs deputy, and employee of the health department. He told me how the attack took place, and how it was blind luck that he lived. He said that it was a slaughter because everyone was in a confined conference room at this building, and that it was a meeting / early Christmas party. Seems that the woman was the one who shot most of the people. He said that the man took off before the woman did. Then he goes on to tell us that he suspects one of his co-workers of being involved, and tells us his name. Says the guy is a Muslim who has been causing a lot of trouble at his office that he works with.

Of course the name he gives us is the one that they publish a hour later, but he doesn't know that because he's in ******************. Says that neither one of the shooters knew how to shoot, that they came in with their rifles at hip level and began firing randomly. When the weapons were empty, they had difficulty reloading the rifles, which gave him time to exit the building with a few other victims.. He was upset because there was plenty of time while they were attempting to reload that he could have easily shot them, but he didn't have his gun with him today. *************** He was really upset about that.. It was really sad to listen to his story Everything that we tell each other about being always being armed and ready for anything played out word for word by this poor guy, it was like listening to a NRA CCW training instructor talk about what will go wrong in a real world situation. I felt really bad for him.

I haven't heard much else since I was inside and out of earshot of the SO and FBI that were here. They bailed at midnight and the hospital went off lockdown at that time. I still think there is more to this than is being told. Too much just does not add up. Armor, IEDs....I think that this guy and his wife were Jihadists. But it really looks like their going to call this workplace violence.

Anyway I got to get back to work. Talk at you down the road....

[Old Dog New Trick]

^^^^thanks for posting that up. Someday the stories will filter out and the truth will be told.

Just a sham (shame) really that we disarm those who are best prepared to deal with tragedy.

I wish him and the others a speedy and full recovery.

[RomanCandle]

[/COLOR] He was upset because there was plenty of time while they were attempting to reload that he could have easily shot them, but he didn't have his gun with him today. *************** He was really upset about that.. [/I]

Was it not Trump who said that every CCW holder had a duty to carry? Seemed obvious before, hopefully more obvious now after this.

[Dusty]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/12/04/san-bernardino-cnn-asks-widow-if-her-christian-husband-provoked-terrorist-attack/

You might want to take a blood pressure pill before pressing play:

[Sohei]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/12/04/san-bernardino-cnn-asks-widow-if-her-christian-husband-provoked-terrorist-attack/

You might want to take a blood pressure pill before pressing play:

I'm going to take your word for that Dusty and pass on reading the article myself.

[Dusty]

I'm going to take your word for that Dusty and pass on reading the article myself.

It's a video, and the blurb is part of the article, not my own words.

The media also contaminated the crime scene.

This media malarkey has just gone a mite too far.

[Sohei]

Well...I lied and did it anyway. He is living proof that just because someone has a mouth...it doesn't mean they should use it to speak with.

That dude is a crumb!

[akv]

"San Bernardino Attack Was 'Act of Terrorism,' F.B.I. Says" -New York Times

“As of today, based on the information and facts as we know them,” the agency is investigating this “as an act of terrorism,” David Bowdich, the assistant F.B.I. director in charge of the Los Angeles office, said at a news conference. The agency will be taking over the investigation from local officials.

Mr. Bowdich did not offer any details about why the bureau had made the determination, saying only that “there’s a number of pieces of evidence that has pushed us off the cliff.”

The shift in the investigation came shortly after federal law enforcement officials said the woman who helped carry out the shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., Tashfeen Malik, had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State in a Facebook posting....continues"There is no evidence the Islamic State directed Ms. Milik , and her husband, Syed Rizwan Farook, to stage the attacks, the officials said. But the Facebook post has led investigators to believe that the couple took inspiration from the group, they said.

“At this point we believe they were more self-radicalized and inspired by the group than actually told to do the shooting,” one officials said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the investigation is continuing..."

Link Below


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/us/tashfeen-malik-islamic-state.html

[(1VB)compforce]

The media also contaminated the crime scene.

I'd like to see the FBI actually arrest every single one of the reporters that contaminated the scene, along with the landlord, for knowingly interfering with/obstructing a federal investigation and then use their own broadcasts as evidence during the trials. Will it happen? no.

[Divemaster]

I'd like to see the FBI actually arrest every single one of the reporters that contaminated the scene, along with the landlord, for knowingly interfering with/obstructing a federal investigation and then use their own broadcasts as evidence during the trials. Will it happen? no.

Nope. Law enforcement had released the site back to the owner.

[Sdiver]

Here's the link of the journalists in the apt ---> http://mashable.com/2015/12/04/san-bernardino-shooters-apartment-journalists/#bwLS95xoLgqu

[(1VB)compforce]

Nope. Law enforcement had released the site back to the owner.

I hadn't read that anywhere. What I read was that it "probably hadn't been", but is likely just a miscommunication one way or the other.

When Mashable reached out to the FBI while the scene was simultaneously unfolding on live television, a spokesperson seemed shocked when asked if the public was allowed to enter the apartment.

"I do not believe so, but I can check," she said around 9:30 a.m. PT. "My understanding is it is still an ongoing investigation."


http://mashable.com/2015/12/04/san-bernardino-shooters-apartment-journalists/#orHsyShBygq9

[Box]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/12/04/san-bernardino-cnn-asks-widow-if-her-christian-husband-provoked-terrorist-attack/
You might want to take a blood pressure pill before pressing play:


It seems like that reporter should somehow get whatever blessings god may see fit to bestow on him.
My wife would have shoved that microphone up his smug ass....



It like the media whores are absolutely celebrating this event as the most fun they have had covering a story all year.
It is a sad thing to see how morally bankrupt some of the people in this nation have become.

[Divemaster]

I hadn't read that anywhere. What I read was that it "probably hadn't been", but is likely just a miscommunication one way or the other.


The site would likely have been under guard if it was still active. At the press conference a little while ago, the FBI Assistant Director said the apartment had been turned over to the owner.

[Dusty]

It seems like that reporter should somehow get whatever blessings god may see fit to bestow on him.
My wife would have shoved that microphone up his smug ass....



It like the media whores are absolutely celebrating this event as the most fun they have had covering a story all year.
It is a sad thing to see how morally bankrupt some of the people in this nation have become.

They're scrambling for a connection to Charlton Heston, or something.
Idiots.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Mr. Bowdich did not offer any details about why the bureau had made the determination, saying only that “there’s a number of pieces of evidence that has pushed us off the cliff.”


Interesting choice of words! Sounds like our investigation just crashed, instead of rising to the top of investigative theory.

Oh well with the bureau and the DOJ taking over the case the evidence will be sorted out categorized, tagged and bagged and...put on some discreet shelf in some repository with "SECRET" taped to the boxes.

Far differently then what SBSD did when Dorner (LAPD gone rogue) had done.

[Paslode]

*Divemaster answered*

[akv]

Interesting choice of words! Sounds like our investigation just crashed, instead of rising to the top of investigative theory.

Theoretical conversation
(Somewhere at FBI headquarters)

Special Agent Pyle : “Golly gee shucks, Sgt. Carter in LA we got AQ tactics, IED’s, trips to Saudi, and one perp proclaiming allegiance to ISIS on Facebook, does uh that mean you know this is terrorism?”

Sgt. Carter: “ Pyle if it oinks like a pig, plays in mud and fries up into bacon what you think? Does the term “Aloha Snackbar” mean anything to you?” Ok Pyle, feel free to call back that turd reporter from the NY times.”

One hour passes, the phone rings;

Sgt. Carter:……uhhh…….err… yes sir, I understand his royal highness…er POTUS just proclaimed America is safe from ISIS style attack….nno sir no, there will be no need to take a big sh$t on me. Clearly this investigation is off the cliff, a complex and moving entity and no definitive conclusions are yet possible.”.

[(1VB)compforce]

...how come there are no pictures, yet, of the terrorist <rhymes with punt>?

Ok, bitch?:munchin

Fox has one up now... Yup, she's wearing a hijab

[tonyz]

Fox has one up now... Yup, she's wearing a hijab

Thank you - saw that pic...as a wee lass she prolly vacationed at a certain home in Abbottabad... learned how to build IEDs...left her 6 month old kid to don a vest, mask and go shoot up innocents...sounds like a typical housewife.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Unless I'm confusing the sister with the wife and I doubt it matters I hope she gave good blow-jobs.

There is a reason some fathers keep their daughters wrapped up from head to ankle until they are married off. Husbands beware. :eek:

[StRaTeGy_]

[/QUOTE]

No, sir. Read my earlier posts. I'm saying the exact opposite. It was a soft target of convenience where the intel was readily available because of the mutt's job. Radicalization infers a home grown terrorist. The fact of the matter is that he was born here; we don't teach that shit here.

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They do actually teach that sh't here. All over the good old U.S.A! Look at several recruitment videos captured from Gilani's "Soldiers of Allah"

-- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC57C8E1C3F2A6E23 --

Those camps are every wehere... Seattle, WA; San Francisco, CA; Santa Clara, CA; Tucson, AZ; Ft. Lauderdale, FL; Charlotte, NC; Columbia, MO and many other locations. Even Meherrin, VA has a training camp where the organization headquarters is located at Islamberg in New York and is led by a radical cleric in Pakistan. All this is open source gents. Just out there for the taken! Look at their cool website www.iqou-moa.org If someone needs radicalization, they can get it in land. No need to travel! Unless they want to meet the man!


By the way. All previous terror attacks in the U.S.A by Islamic terrorists or what not. Someone has claimed responsibility. No one has claimed anything yet, for this action.

[Paslode]

They do actually teach that sh't here. All over the good old U.S.A! Look at several recruitment videos captured from Gilani's "Soldiers of Allah"

-- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC57C8E1C3F2A6E23 --

Those camps are every wehere... Seattle, WA; San Francisco, CA; Santa Clara, CA; Tucson, AZ; Ft. Lauderdale, FL; Charlotte, NC; Columbia, MO and many other locations. Even Meherrin, VA has a training camp where the organization headquarters is located at Islamberg in New York and is led by a radical cleric in Pakistan. All this is open source gents. Just out there for the taken! Look at their cool website www.iqou-moa.org If someone needs radicalization, they can get it in land. No need to travel! Unless they want to meet the man![/QUOTE]

A member of this board located for me a similar map a few years ago. The map I was looking for was printed in USA Today within a few days after 9-11.....and that was back then, I can only imagine how many more there are now.

[UWOA (RIP)]

They do actually teach that sh't here. All over the good old U.S.A! Look at several recruitment videos captured from Gilani's "Soldiers of Allah"

-- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC57C8E1C3F2A6E23 --

Those camps are every wehere... Seattle, WA; San Francisco, CA; Santa Clara, CA; Tucson, AZ; Ft. Lauderdale, FL; Charlotte, NC; Columbia, MO and many other locations. Even Meherrin, VA has a training camp where the organization headquarters is located at Islamberg in New York and is led by a radical cleric in Pakistan. All this is open source gents. Just out there for the taken! Look at their cool website www.iqou-moa.org If someone needs radicalization, they can get it in land. No need to travel! Unless they want to meet the man!


By the way. All previous terror attacks in the U.S.A by Islamic terrorists or what not. Someone has claimed responsibility. No one has claimed anything yet, for this action.


You obviously misunderstood who the "we" is I was referring to ... I wasn't referring to "them" as indicated in your response; I was referring to "us" ... I'll now let you figure out who that is ....

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[StRaTeGy_]

You obviously misunderstood who the "we" is I was referring to ... I wasn't referring to "them" as indicated in your response; I was referring to "us" ... I'll now let you figure out who that is ....

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"We" "They" Et Cetera... It doesn't really matter who you are referring to. Bottom line is "WE" are letting them, because "WE" know they are doing it and "WE" are not doing enough to stop them from doing it! Better response!?!

[tonyz]

ISIS is taking credit.

Islamic State says California killers of 14 were their followers

ReutersBy By Yasmeen Abutaleb and Rory Carroll | Reuters – 1 hour 48 minutes ago

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/islamic-state-says-california-killers-14-were-followers-111704711.html

[StRaTeGy_]

ISIS is taking credit.

Islamic State says California killers of 14 were their followers

ReutersBy By Yasmeen Abutaleb and Rory Carroll | Reuters – 1 hour 48 minutes ago

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/islamic-state-says-california-killers-14-were-followers-111704711.html

"Someone" stated they were their followers, they praised and celebrated the mass shooting in San Bernardino, however, the caliphate did not take credit for the shootings.

[blacksmoke]

Al-Qaeda and ISIS both asked for lone wolf attacks.

[Team Sergeant]

Al-Qaeda and ISIS both asked for lone wolf attacks.

Tell me blacksmoke, if you're a muslim and practice the teachings of islam (along with 1 billion others) how does that make you a "lone wolf"?

muslims/islamic terrorists have never had a "centralized" planning or execution of islamic terrorism.

I fixed it for you:

"Al-Qaeda and ISIS both asked for islamic terrorist attacks in the United States"

[tonyz]

Al-Qaeda and ISIS both asked for lone wolf attacks.

Little doubt that ISLAMIC terrorists of one vintage or another hit us.

Maybe, if we could get current political "leadership" to acknowledge our ISLAMIC terrorist problem instead of suggesting that global warming is our number one national security threat - or that the murders in San Bernadino were just another case of "workplace violence" - for me, that might be a reasonable move in the right direction.

Until then...

[UWOA (RIP)]

"We" "They" Et Cetera... It doesn't really matter who you are referring to. Bottom line is "WE" are letting them, because "WE" know they are doing it and "WE" are not doing enough to stop them from doing it! Better response!?!

Actually, it does matter, which is why Special Forces soldiers devote so much time to the study of language, its nuances, culture, etc. Communication is key. So, no, because I'm not part of the 'we' you are now referring too -- and while I don't speak for them, nor do, I believe, the other QPs who populate this site. So you've gone somewhat far afield in your response. I suggest you work on your communications skills.

Out.

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[SF-TX]

Tashfeen Malik and Syed Farook were among a 'tiny' minority of extremists that hate America and want to kill Americans.

The San Bernardino Terrorists Weren’t Radicals -- They Were Mainstream
A huge tiny minority of extremists.

After Tashfeen Malik and Syed Farook killed 14 Americans in their corner of the Jihad over in San Bernardino, the media began its long laborious search for their moment of “radicalization”.

The assumption that the intersection of terrorism and Islam can only be an aberration lead to the conviction that there was some moment in time at which Malik and Farook became “radical extremists”. Initial reports pegged that moment of “radicalization” as having happened at some point during the twenty minutes after Farook left the party. When the amount of firepower and preparation made the idea of a twenty minute radicalization massacre seem silly, the media tried to stretch it back for weeks.

Now they’ve had to give in and pull back that dreadful moment of radicalization for years.

But what if Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik were never “radicalized”? What if neither of them “influenced” the other? What if both were exactly what they appear to be, devout Muslims who hated America and believed that it was their religious duty to kill Americans? What if this attitude did not show up last week or last year? What if it was the way that their culture and religion taught them to live?

There are some easy ways to test that theory.

Rest of the article (http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261114/san-bernardino-terrorists-werent-radicals-they-daniel-greenfield)

[Box]

There is a good reason the POTUS wont talk about "radical' Islam...

Its because there is no such thing as "radical" islam.
It's just "Islam".




...think about it

[Team Sergeant]

There is a good reason the POTUS wont talk about "radical' Islam...

Its because there is no such thing as "radical" islam.
It's just "Islam".




...think about it

I see what you did there......:munchin