View Full Version : Paris attacks, how do you defeat an attacker thats willing to die?
Team Sergeant
11-16-2015, 14:28
Such as islamic suicide bombers?
You kill them first.
You don't give them free food, money, shelter, transportation, medical treatment etc.
You don't allow them in your country.
And you attack what they hold most dear, Mecca..........
What the west doesn't realize that murdering 129 people is what these muzzie scumbags do all day in their shithole countries. This is nothing new to them. It is new to the western world and now that's its made an impression we can only wait and until it happens again.
As we can see it's quite easy to get automatic weapons and explosives in a "Gun Free" country. And it's coming to America. There's no doubt that the planning is done and an attack lies in the shadows.
Arm yourselves and stay vigilant. DHS is not going to save you and the NSA/CIA will see the next attack coming just like they saw 9/11.
Old Dog New Trick
11-16-2015, 14:35
You give them too much credit. Even if they do see it it won't mean they take the appropriate action.
As I said in the Paris thread. It's time to take personal responsibility for freedom and that means every available option is used by the people. The government has failed!
DJ Urbanovsky
11-16-2015, 14:59
This. It's a moral imperative. If jihadis are training to kill us, then the only reasonable and sane course of action is that we should be training to kill them, wherever the cowards might appear.
You kill them first.
mark46th
11-16-2015, 15:03
"You kill them first."TS
I would add, in their house, before they get over here...
Came across this quote painted on the walls of a compound somewhere during my travels.
"Submit to Islam and be safe. Or agree to the payment of the Jizya (tax), and you and your people will be under our protection, else you will have only yourself to blame for the consequences, for I bring the men who desire death as ardently as you desire life."
This letter was written by Khalid, from his head-quarters in Babylonia, to the Persian monarch Emperor Yazdegerd III before invading it.
So if climate change is the cause for this violence in the middle east...
...can I use the same logic to state that Khalid invaded Persia because of climate change?
I just want to make sure I don't come across as a climate denier or an islamaphobe
Old Dog New Trick
11-16-2015, 15:41
It's long but all are wrong. It's no wonder we are losing this. This is how Washington thinks in a think-tank.
How to defeat ISIS - CNN
https://apple.news/AJ_UmdS3lTECDOzLTrZhFdA
Golf1echo
11-16-2015, 16:58
I read a lot of garbage on the net, it seems like manipulation for the most part. I cut my teeth on better writing from older magazines like Life, Colliers, Look from an earlier era WWII*....great writing with color and content.....that's all they had back then. So when I ran across this article it needs to be shared, it is remanicant of those older articles:
http://news.yahoo.com/quick-thinking-averted-massacre-paris-attacks-stadium-194442761--spt.html
SAINT-DENIS, France (AP) — The suicide bombers' remains, clingy flecks of flesh spread in a 10-meter (yard) radius around where they exploded, were flushed down the drains of the city they sought to terrorize, washed away by municipal workers with detergent sprays and power hoses.
According to events, they sometimes do it all on their own.
* Not my time but had access to years of those magazines.
WarriorDiplomat
11-16-2015, 19:29
Easy question, grant them their wish and help them go to hell.
UWOA (RIP)
11-16-2015, 19:33
Kill 'em all, and let God sort the bodies!
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WarriorDiplomat
11-16-2015, 19:35
It's long but all are wrong. It's no wonder we are losing this. This is how Washington thinks in a think-tank.
How to defeat ISIS - CNN
https://apple.news/AJ_UmdS3lTECDOzLTrZhFdA
Yeah a bunch of splintered idiots, the CENTCOM scandal getting as far as it did should speak volumes about the state of affairs in D.C.
Obama thinks things are working just fine and everyone else in the world sees it differently.
WarriorDiplomat
11-16-2015, 19:39
Such as islamic suicide bombers?
You kill them first.
You don't give them free food, money, shelter, transportation, medical treatment etc.
You don't allow them in your country.
And you attack what they hold most dear, Mecca..........
What the west doesn't realize that murdering 129 people is what these muzzie scumbags do all day in their shithole countries. This is nothing new to them. It is new to the western world and now that's its made an impression we can only wait and until it happens again.
As we can see it's quite easy to get automatic weapons and explosives in a "Gun Free" country. And it's coming to America. There's no doubt that the planning is done and an attack lies in the shadows.
Arm yourselves and stay vigilant. DHS is not going to save you and the NSA/CIA will see the next attack coming just like they saw 9/11.
Lets just start dropping bombs no more surgical crap anymore that is a waste just bomb them until they crawl back into their holes then send infantry to clean up. This thing was a mess and with Presidents like Obama and turds like Clinton and Kerry who needs enemies.
NurseTim
11-17-2015, 04:15
Take the Russian approach. ID the attackers, go after their family tree and uproot it. Make their barbaric act look like child's play. Infect their goats with syphilis/MRSA.
Show them we are masters of their tactics. They offer no quarter, neither should we. I have been called mentally ill for my position, but that is what I believe will be the only way to stop these attacks.
Take the Russian approach
How did that work out for them in Afghanistan and Chechnya?
How did that work out for them in Afghanistan and Chechnya?
We (U.S.) "may" have had something to do with that! ;)
We (U.S.) "may" have had something to do with that!
Absolutely, but we aren't the Russians, and even their ruthless ROE didn't win it for them.
Team Sergeant
11-17-2015, 11:47
How did that work out for them in Afghanistan and Chechnya?
Much easier to do when you're not attempting to overthrow/occupy the country.
And.....
I was one of the guys that assisted in stopping the Russians in A-Stan.
That will never happen again. :munchin
Trapper John
11-17-2015, 14:58
..........
As I said in the Paris thread. It's time to take personal responsibility for freedom and that means every available option is used by the people. The government has failed!
Af'nMEN!!
Old Dog New Trick
11-17-2015, 16:20
I'd go a step or three farther. If I were Sheriff I'd tell everyone in my county with a CCW to prepare for the worst and tell my Deputies that open carry is legal and not to harass but be vigilant against those with a threatening posture to be engaged with in peaceful conversation. If PC exists do what's right.
King Co. Sheriff urges off-duty deputies to carry guns, extra ammo following Paris Attack
Sheriff urges off-duty deputies to carry their sidearms
http://www.king5.com/story/news/local/2015/11/17/king-co-sheriff-urges-off-duty-deputies-to-carry-sidearms/75947666/
(Sent from KING 5)
RomanCandle
11-18-2015, 04:31
We (U.S.) "may" have had something to do with that! ;)
Exactly. Plus the Russians may have taken a lesson or two from that conflict and in Chechnya both internal leadership lessons as well as lessons out on the battlefield.
RomanCandle
11-18-2015, 04:34
Absolutely, but we aren't the Russians, and even their ruthless ROE didn't win it for them.
Russia today also isn't the Russia of the 80s and 90s.
Team Sergeant
11-18-2015, 10:10
Russia today also isn't the Russia of the 80s and 90s.
Thanks professor. :rolleyes:
Ever heard of the "cold war"? We won it. You guys on the other had embraced communism, mandella was nothing but a commie.
Divemaster
11-18-2015, 10:12
I'd go a step or three farther. If I were Sheriff I'd tell everyone in my county with a CCW to prepare for the worst and tell my Deputies that open carry is legal and not to harass but be vigilant against those with a threatening posture to be engaged with in peaceful conversation. If PC exists do what's right.
King Co. Sheriff urges off-duty deputies to carry guns, extra ammo following Paris Attack
Sheriff urges off-duty deputies to carry their sidearms
http://www.king5.com/story/news/local/2015/11/17/king-co-sheriff-urges-off-duty-deputies-to-carry-sidearms/75947666/
(Sent from KING 5)
Thanks to the WA State Constitution it is easy to get a CCW even here on the ultra liberal Wet Side. BTW, there is a former 1st SFG team daddy working for the King County SO.
Team Sergeant
11-18-2015, 10:17
Thanks to the WA State Constitution it is easy to get a CCW even here on the ultra liberal Wet Side. BTW, there is a former 1st SFG team daddy working for the King County SO.
True dat!
Me and "Baz" went one afternoon during lunch. We walk in wearing our uniforms, they take us to the front of the line, take our thumbprint and a few minutes later we had our permits.
Not going to happen in most other states to include AZ.
RomanCandle
11-18-2015, 12:05
Thanks professor. :rolleyes:
Ever heard of the "cold war"? We won it. You guys on the other had embraced communism, mandella was nothing but a commie.
I didn't embrace him, none of my colleagues embraced him. It was "your guys" that did more than the Soviets and Cubans to screw us over remember. ;)
As for winning the cold war? I dunno. When I look at the leaders of the Western world today they sure embraced the subversive Soviet doctrines of the cold war and are vigorously implementing them. We might be screwed but the rest of the world is racing to catch up.
:munchin
Pericles
11-18-2015, 13:31
Announce that after the next attack, Mecca will be destroyed and then do it.
Will be interesting to see how they deal with Allah's will after that happens.
Guymullins
11-18-2015, 14:30
Thanks professor. :rolleyes:
Ever heard of the "cold war"? We won it. You guys on the other had embraced communism, mandella was nothing but a commie.
I have just sprayed the ceiling with blood from a burst blood vessel in my head.
Divemaster
11-18-2015, 15:28
True dat!
Me and "Baz" went one afternoon during lunch. We walk in wearing our uniforms, they take us to the front of the line, take our thumbprint and a few minutes later we had our permits.
Not going to happen in most other states to include AZ.
The first time I did it at the Pierce County courthouse many moons ago it was that fast. Now it takes a couple of weeks to get it in the mail.
It was Baz who I went with to the AZ-OR-UT CCW class a couple of years back.
Team Sergeant
11-18-2015, 15:47
I have just sprayed the ceiling with blood from a burst blood vessel in my head.
Here's to your stroke! ;)
Russian President Boris Yeltsin (R) kisses his South African counterpart Nelson Mandela during their meeting as seen in this file photo. Yeltsin boasted of his good health on Thursday, telling Mandela that even the Communists could not bring him down. Reuters
Guymullins
11-18-2015, 23:14
Here's to your stroke! ;)
Russian President Boris Yeltsin (R) kisses his South African counterpart Nelson Mandela during their meeting as seen in this file photo. Yeltsin boasted of his good health on Thursday, telling Mandela that even the Communists could not bring him down. Reuters
Thanks. Its clotting nicely now.
Announce that after the next attack, Mecca will be destroyed and then do it.
Will be interesting to see how they deal with Allah's will after that happens.
If more violence is the answer, I like your suggestion.