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SittingElf
10-26-2015, 01:12
I was sent the following by a retired Marine E-9 friend. It is startling when viewed in light of current events and American Apathy.... And the analysis was from the late 1800's!

An Interesting Obituary
In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, observed the following about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier……….
"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.
A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.
From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."


"The average age of the world's greatest civilisations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years.
During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence of events….
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage."
It doesn't hurt to read this several times.


The Obituary Will Read: 'RIP The United States of America - Born 1776, Ceased to Exist 2020' (or thereabouts).

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the last Presidential election:
Number of States won by: Obama: 19 Romney: 29
Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 Romney: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million Romney: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Obama: 13.2 Romney: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Romney won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.
Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."
Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency phase".
If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders, politely called 'illegals' - thus allowing them to vote, we can say Goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.
If you are in favour of this, then by all means, ignore it, happy in the knowledge that apathy is the greatest danger to your own freedom.

......
I gotta buy more ammo!

Cheers,
Frank

BrokenSwitch
10-26-2015, 04:43
Number of States won by: Obama: 19 Romney: 29

:confused:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012

There appears to be a discrepancy in these numbers, especially considering that a) Romney lost, and b) those numbers omit 2 states.

Before I get jumped-on for playing semantic games.... if your facts are not correct, then the rest of your argument is suspect, though this is not the first time your concern has been mentioned on this forum.

Richard
10-26-2015, 06:46
In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, observed the following about the fall of the Athenian Republic

Nice try. :rolleyes:

http://www.lorencollins.net/tytler.html

And that is where the vice of misattribution lies. Perhaps the words speak the truth of democratic governments; or perhaps they do not. But either way, attributing the words to a scholar who never spoke them is to lend to them an authority and reliability that they do not deserve. Quotations should not be given fictitious attributions merely to lend credence to the messages they impart. To do so is to favor persuasiveness over accuracy, and to sacrifice truth for the sake of image.

You should do your homework before propagating misinformation like this on the Internet and tell your Marine SGM friend he should do so, too.

Richard

SittingElf
10-26-2015, 09:40
You're absolutely right.

My neighbor and good friend is usually spot on, and I'm sure he will be as embarrassed as I am for not doing additional due diligence.

Easy to believe when you see how the country is moving however.

Frank

Dusty
10-26-2015, 10:03
The Country (I say again) is going to hell in a handbasket.
There are still plenty of Spartans left, though...
The key is to refrain from electing a Marxist revolutionary.

Badger52
10-26-2015, 12:09
The Country (I say again) is going to hell in a handbasket.
There are still plenty of Spartans left, though...
The key is to refrain from electing a Marxist revolutionary.Someone needs to dub that onto a Foghorn Leghorn cartoon.
:D

rubberneck
10-26-2015, 14:05
The Country (I say again) is going to hell in a handbasket.
There are still plenty of Spartans left, though...
The key is to refrain from electing a Marxist revolutionary.

too late......

Dusty
10-26-2015, 14:59
too late......

So. Quit?
Two wrongs don't make a right. Hillary may possibly be "lefter" than Obama.

cbtengr
10-26-2015, 15:25
So. Quit?
Two wrongs don't make a right. Hillary may possibly be "lefter" than Obama.

If she is going to siphon off voters who lean towards Bernie she has to be. We are in deep you know what.

Paslode
10-26-2015, 16:39
So. Quit?
Two wrongs don't make a right. Hillary may possibly be "lefter" than Obama.

Where does Wimpy Jeb fall?

Dusty
10-26-2015, 17:58
Where does Wimpy Jeb fall?

Did you hear the "elect Trump if you want to argue" (pp) bite?
His supporters are bound to be in the second and third stages of remorse, after that.
Not much of a dark horse, even with all the money he's got.
Nah, people are so sick of the status quo they're willing to gamble on anybody who will turn over dem rocks and shine light on the vermin underneath regardless of pedigree.

Paslode
10-26-2015, 22:05
Did you hear the "elect Trump if you want to argue" (pp) bite?
His supporters are bound to be in the second and third stages of remorse, after that.
Not much of a dark horse, even with all the money he's got.
Nah, people are so sick of the status quo they're willing to gamble on anybody who will turn over dem rocks and shine light on the vermin underneath regardless of pedigree.

No I did not, but I am glad to hear it.

Turning over rocks and shining light is just scratching the surface.

Dusty
10-27-2015, 05:50
No I did not, but I am glad to hear it.

Turning over rocks and shining light is just scratching the surface.

This election the kids will decide, IMO.
They're starting to realize DC is nothing but a pustule.
The AA's don't have a horse in the race. The legal Latinos don't want the illegals in here any more than conservatives do.
As I've said, the majority of female humans will vote for a member of their gender no matter her politics.
So-best chance is to go around the mainstream press and expose the libs for the incompetent Marxists they are-to the kids.
Bush is just a continuation of the fed bureacrocy that got us in this quagmire; Trump is a mouthpiece for the frustration felt by the non-lib element, as is Carson.
IMO, Cruz is the Goldilocks candidate.
Just wish he had a little more bass in his voice...

rubberneck
10-29-2015, 06:15
So. Quit?
Two wrongs don't make a right. Hillary may possibly be "lefter" than Obama.

Who said anything about quitting? My comments were directed at the line about electing a Marxist revolutionary. That ship has already sailed.

Dusty
10-29-2015, 08:34
Who said anything about quitting? My comments were directed at the line about electing a Marxist revolutionary. That ship has already sailed.

That's a given. My point is we don't need to repeat the mistake.
IMO there's a couple dem candidates who are "worser".

Badger52
10-29-2015, 09:26
IMO there's a couple dem candidates who are "worser".And they breed.