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The lesson should be clear. Gun-free zones kill people.
Police: Multiple Fatalities In Shooting At Oregon Community College (http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2015/10/01/oregon-community-college-shooting/)
Unfortunately -- and sadly so -- colleges and universities have become the soft targets of anyone with angst against anything or any body and for any cause.
Sadly, I think it will only get worse.
From the Douglas County local newspaper:
Kortney Moore, 18, from Rogue River, was in her Writing 115 class in Snyder Hall when one shot came through a window. She saw her teacher get shot in the head. The shooter was inside at that point, and he told people to get on the ground. The shooter was asking people to stand up and state their religion and then started firing away, Moore said. Moore was lying there with people who had been shot.
News-Review link: http://www.nrtoday.com/news/18445375-113/ucc-shooting-rampage-at-least-13-reported-dead
Pat
blacksmoke
10-01-2015, 16:40
18:27 et 10/1/2015, my president said "We know that states with the most gun laws, tend to have the fewest gun deaths." It's true. Turn in your guns now. :rolleyes:
Oldrotorhead
10-01-2015, 17:39
18:27 et 10/1/2015, my president said "We know that states with the most gun laws, tend to have the fewest gun deaths." It's true. Turn in your guns now. :rolleyes:
http://heyjackass.com/
And here is the proof!! Chicago, old POTUS's chosen home town. ONLY 390+ dead this year. I can't think of any city where concealed carry is legal is close to this. Must be the Liberal Gold Standard for gun control. :munchin
Barbarian
10-01-2015, 18:10
18:27 et 10/1/2015, my president said "We know that states with the most gun laws, tend to have the fewest gun deaths."
A regular font of wisdom, that one.
This is interesting:
Personal life:
Alek Skarlatos, born October 10, 1992, is from Roseburg, Oregon, and was born to Emanuel Skarlatos, a Greek immigrant to the United States,[22] and his ex-wife, Heidi Hansen. Skarlatos has a stepmother, Karen Skarlatos, and stepfather, Tom Hansen.[23][7] Skarlatos graduated from Roseburg High School, and has been in the Oregon Army National Guard for three years.[23] He had been deployed in Afghanistan for nine months.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alek_Skarlatos
One of the French train heroes.
Pat
Mustang Man
10-01-2015, 18:33
Interesting observations PSM. The fact that they still haven't released the shooters I.D. is leading me to think that damage control is being done and another narrative is building up. I bet if the shooter was white, we would have known about it by now and media outlets would label it an act of terror. I know this sounds a bit tin foil but it seems like when Dylan struck the South Carolina church he was instantly I.D.'d and labeled a terrorist. How come we're not seeing it in this instance?
*edit to add.
So we have the I.D. of the gunman. Disregard my tinfoil observation. The next big question now is what was his motive.
Badger52
10-01-2015, 18:58
From the Douglas County local newspaper:
PatQuote therein amplified by one of those 'tweet' things:
Mustang Man
10-01-2015, 19:03
Just did another Google search and looks like we finally got an I.D. Apparently the shooter didn't even attend the school.
http://www.ibtimes.com/who-chris-harper-mercer-oregons-alleged-umqua-community-college-shooter-identified-2123675
We, the US, granted very specific rights to the mentally challenged back in the 1980's...it is almost impossible to get someone committed without their own consent.
We went with individual liberty, strongly, to the point that many that should be institutionalized are out and about.
How do we find the fine line?
Interesting observations PSM. The fact that they still haven't released the shooters I.D. is leading me to think that damage control is being done and another narrative is building up. I bet if the shooter was white, we would have known about it by now and media outlets would label it an act of terror. I know this sounds a bit tin foil but it seems like when Dylan struck the South Carolina church he was instantly I.D.'d and labeled a terrorist. How come we're not seeing it in this instance?
*edit to add.
So we have the I.D. of the gunman. Disregard my tinfoil observation. The next big question now is what was his motive.
I hear you on that one.
It wasn't an hour after it happened that we started hearing about "gun control".
Not about how the shooter was most likely a pussy who had been emasculated to the point where he didn't know how to deal with his problems.
So yeah, figured we would have heard something, but I am sure there is a twist.
There always is when you don't "hear" anything.
Speaking of that...........what happened to Chattanooga? Not a peep about that terror attack since the flag at half mast hubbub.
Old Dog New Trick
10-02-2015, 00:13
Sheriff John Hanlin for President and Commander in Chief!
I like this guy's perspective, it mirrors mine.
RIP to the fallen, prayers to the victims.
Rot in hell asshole with no name (compliments of the Sheriff) to bad the media doesn't get it.
Divemaster
10-02-2015, 00:14
Today's talking point? Gun "control" laws are now gun "safety" laws.
Bill Harsey
10-02-2015, 02:12
This shooting at Umpqua Community College was less than an hour south of here.
The local media coverage has been wall to wall.
I just saw this "not seen or heard in the local media" story,
well done soldier.
http://http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/02/forget-oregon-s-gunman-remember-the-hero-who-charged-straight-at-him.html
Streck-Fu
10-02-2015, 05:44
This shooting at Umpqua Community College was less than an hour south of here.
The local media coverage has been wall to wall.
I just saw this "not seen or heard in the local media" story,
well done soldier.
http://http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/02/forget-oregon-s-gunman-remember-the-hero-who-charged-straight-at-him.html
While I am grateful to read of the heroes of the day, I am disappointed that the article opened with:
No amount of murder seems likely to result in gun control any time soon. So let’s do what we can to stop the lunacy—by reserving the limelight for the vet who rushed Thursday’s shooter.
:rolleyes:
Speaking of that...........what happened to Chattanooga? Not a peep about that terror attack since the flag at half mast hubbub.
Same with Mohammad Pedro Whittaker, if you are a disciple of Mo the line goes dead.
Old Dog New Trick
10-02-2015, 06:42
18:27 et 10/1/2015, my president said "We know that states with the most gun laws, tend to have the fewest gun deaths." It's true. Turn in your guns now. :rolleyes:
When the POTUS (and not just this one) fires the SS and anyone with any power of position goes about their lives without armed protection surrounding them 24/7, I'll consider listening to them - just a little - when it comes legislation controlling guns.
Until then they can all fuck off!
NDOT, its not that the media doesn't get it. They do, the argument has been re-framed, by the POTUS.
Its not going to be about "Home grown Terrorist attack"/ "recent mooslim convert", but gun control. Obama is a Muslim. In all the other shooting he has never, ever, present such a strong argument, that compares, and brings into question, global cultural values with regard to gun control.
This issue will be of paramount important in the coming presidential debate. Those who fail to address the above and side with 2nd Amendment rights, will lose. The only way forward is to emphasize the terrorist method of distinction as he methodologically question each victims religious belief system, before shooting, or killing them base on their answer to his question.
RIP to the lost,
and condolences the families and friends..
Keep an eye on this article.
In today's "online" personal media frenzy, it doesn't take long to find a person and their views.
The fact that one of the young men that stopped the ISLAMIC TERRORIST ATTACH on the France train last month is a student at this college.
Coincidence??
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/10/01/oregon-community-college-shooting-pre-planned-act-of-jihad-warning-posted-yesterday/
Second thought, he came prepared to die as a POS Martyr, not by a self-inflicted gunshot as most others mentally ill shooters have done. That in an of itself, indicates to me his attack was planned as a statement, and substantiates and supports the argument, that he was in fact a home grown terrorist.
Guymullins
10-02-2015, 09:27
NDOT, its not that the media doesn't get it. They do, the argument has been re-framed, by the POTUS.
Its not going to be about "Home grown Terrorist attack"/ "recent mooslim convert", but gun control. Obama is a Muslim. In all the other shooting he has never, ever, present such a strong argument, that compares, and brings into question, global cultural values with regard to gun control.
This issue will be of paramount important in the coming presidential debate. Those who fail to address the above and side with 2nd Amendment rights, will lose. The only way forward is to emphasize the terrorist method of distinction as he methodologically question each victims religious belief system, before shooting, or killing them base on their answer to his question.
Oh come on! A Muslim with the Christian names Barak, Hussain?
The emasculation of America is responsible for these issues.
Whiny, pussified children who are offspring of helicopter parents seem to be the current profile for these savage incidents. The have no way to voice their problems in a healthy manner, and in conjunction with the glorification of violence on TV and the Internet, they find themselves living in "fantasy world", where the lines between what they see digitally versus real life are blurred.
"You are a special flower and you deserve for everyone to like you and you just , fit in with everyone"
False.
After repeated posts/replies to threads such as this, what else is left? RIP to the fallen, and a big fuck you to the perpatrator(s). The fact that this has been a repetitious evolution during a normal 1 week news cycle has driven a lot of us average folk to the point of "glad it wasn't me or mine"
The mind-numbing fact is, me and mine could give a shit less at this point what happens to others. My compassion-o-meter ran out a while ago.
I wish that I retained a bit of my compassion for others over the years, especially my own countrymen/Brothers in arms, but when it comes down to it, no one really cares anymore. Just a blurb in the paper.
I was there for the Navy Yard BS, and yes its unfortunate, but hey...that shit wrapped up in under 2 weeks as far as coverage.
I respect and honor our fallen Hero's at any given opportunity, but these "mass shootings" that do not involve people I know directly, get a "sorry for your loss".
I despise the fact that these sort of events have numbed me, and may God destroy those folks bloodlines that made me feel this way.
Army vet Chris Mintz ran to the sound of gun fire...unarmed. I don't know how many were down at that time, but there is a very good chance that it would have been stopped by him had he been carrying. One girl reported that they were told to lie down and then get up, one by one, to identify their religion before they were shot. That would have given anyone carrying time to engage.
This, as with all other mass shootings, is blood on the hands of the anti-gun people. (Regardless of their gender identification.)
Pat
The emasculation of America is responsible for these issues.
Whiny, pussified children who are offspring of helicopter parents seem to be the current profile for these savage incidents. The have no way to voice their problems in a healthy manner, and in conjunction with the glorification of violence on TV and the Internet, they find themselves living in "fantasy world", where the lines between what they see digitally versus real life are blurred.
"You are a special flower and you deserve for everyone to like you and you just , fit in with everyone"
False.
Yep...when we have kids in preschool, they bite and hit when their toys are taken from them. They can’t walk or talk, but they know to defend themselves and their property. They aren’t taught that, it’s inherent in them. But, when they bite and hit in order to defend themselves, they are punished for what came natural to them.
They get a little older, they are told that if someone hits them and steals their property, tell a teacher or adult. Don’t you dare defend yourself…you are made to be the “bad guy.”
A little older…zero tolerance kicks in. Defend yourself…get arrested and expelled…no questions asked. Kids can’t defend themselves because if they do…there is a price to be paid. The good suffer with the bad and if they haven’t been brought up to understand that that will happen even when it’s wrong…they can easily fall into the “Beta Male” category because they have never had the ability to defend themselves…physically, verbally, etc. without being penalized.
When a man isn’t allowed to be a man…and isn’t strong enough to go against the tide…he becomes anything other than a man.
Males void of personal responsibility...
Army vet Chris Mintz ran to the sound of gun fire...unarmed. I don't know how many were down at that time, but there is a very good chance that it would have been stopped by him had he been carrying. One girl reported that they were told to lie down and then get up, one by one, to identify their religion before they were shot. That would have given anyone carrying time to engage.
This, as with all other mass shootings, is blood on the hands of the anti-gun people. (Regardless of their gender identification.)
Pat
From a friend of Chris Mintz's, he has been posting pictures of Chris in his Hospital bed. He stated that Chris met the POS Gunman as he was walking into a College building. At the doorway, Chris told the gunman to stop doing what he was doing because it was really stupid. Gunman told Chris Mintz to move out of the way. Chris then said that it was his kids birthday. I'm guess because the POS pointed the gun at Chris Mintz. Gunman said something else and that's when Chris rushed the POS. Chris took 7 bullets, not 5 as reported.
Good on Chris, at lest we know there is one American will to protect others. Just happen to be a Veteran again. Here is his GoFundMe page set up by his cousin, Derek Bourgeois.
https://www.gofundme.com/s75ge9y4
How different it might have been had that college NOT been a gun free zone.:(
Old Dog New Trick
10-03-2015, 02:24
The world needs more Sheepdogs and Shepherds, lest we are willing to allow the Wolves to devour the Sheep.
When every 'legally' capable citizen authorized by the U.S. Constitution to exercise their 2A rights over and above the "unconstitutional" laws of the state, federal government and local ordinances, chooses life and liberty over safety and public order, these incidents of murder and violence will be quickly relegated to the back pages of history.
It should be our goal as a civilization that each and everyone of us is responsible for ourselves and each other. To protect oneself and one's family and others from harm is a human right, not a responsibility of the police. 911 is not nor should it be expected to be a replacement for self defense or the protection from evil doers and illegal activities. Each citizen is already granted that right and the right to detain and make arrests. The police and judicial systems are simply there to follow up, investigate, and determine innocence and guilt. They are not our "protectors" but the enforces of laws (Constitutional laws) of our nation and states.
As our forefathers saw before us and established the documents that created us, they knew and had experienced the tyranny and oppression of dictators and kings alike. Lest we forget what they bled and sacrificed so much for. We too must bleed and sacrifice for the mistakes of the past to improve the future.
Mr, President, tear down these signs "Gun Free Zone!"
Badger52
10-03-2015, 02:42
How different it might have been had that college NOT been a gun free zone.:(+1
It's past time that those disposed to do so simply carry anyway.
How long did it take for President Obama to give this same order for Chattanooga shooting?
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/president-obama-white-house-flags-half-staff-oregon-umpqua-community-college-shooting-victims
How long before berry invites Chris Mintz to the HW???
craigepo
10-03-2015, 08:07
You have to give it to the liberals---they can absolutely ignore the issue of this shooter targeting Christians, talk about inanimate objects (guns), and the media jumps on the issue like the carrion that they are.
If you have a few minutes, take a look at the way the National Review reporter handles the debate. It's rather telling that it takes a Brit to handle the argument for Second Amendment issues.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/424994/charles-cooke-shootings-sometimes-doing-nothing-smarter-doing-something-nr-staff
Spalding117
10-03-2015, 08:15
How long before berry invites Chris Mintz to the HW???
This would give me so much hope.
That article was very eye opening, and something I intend to live by and spread.
Don't give jackasses what they want, let them die like they lived, spineless nobodies.
RIP the fallen.
How long before berry invites Chris Mintz to the HW???
JMHO Sir,
He won't, because he knows deep down in his coal-charred-Islamic-heart that Chris Mintz is a US Veteran, and completely OUT of his league!
The O can only dream of having the Courage of REAL War Vets! :mad:
Holly...Prayers Out to Chris.:(
Bracholi
10-03-2015, 08:20
We, the US, granted very specific rights to the mentally challenged back in the 1980's...it is almost impossible to get someone committed without their own consent.
We went with individual liberty, strongly, to the point that many that should be institutionalized are out and about.
How do we find the fine line?
I believe we can all agree backpedaling needs, and has needed for some time, to be done. To solve a compromise between individual liberty and need to protect society I believe a solution is two-fold. Re-empower parents (the carrot) but make them fully culpable for their child (the stick). Even if a child has grown into "adulthood" and moved out, if the parent ignored the signs, and such evidence is available to that fact, they're still responsible (I've never met a parent of any adult whom didn't feel responsible in some part to the actions of their child regardless of the age of either). If people have forgotten how to feel the powerful senses of pride, disappointment, fear, etc. towards their children we will just have to remind them. Nothing will remind Mrs. Welfare Baby Isapaycheck of her personal responsibility and the powerful emotions present in parenting like a 20 year sentence when her "sweet innocent baby boy" is shot dead after trying to kill a police officer and it is determined that she knew her boy was troubled and did nothing.
Going back to the carrot though, if you know your child is troubled, mentally deficient, and potentially dangerous, you should be able to document this in childhood. If the government is incapable, unwilling, or simply unable to prevent your child from a murderous rampage, but you've done everything you can, you really have already suffered more than you deserved. One tool that should be at your disposal though, is to adjudicate your child as mentally deficient just before adulthood.
A child remains a child only so long. When they reach adulthood, they've now arbitrarily been deemed completely mentally competent by a system which has changed the very definition of socially acceptable behaviors, normalization, criminality, etc. [Obviously we have a language barrier in this country, some of us speak the same language our founding fathers used to forge the very framework of our nation upon; whilst the other side have found that words only mean what they say they mean at which time that definition is deemed convenient... but I digress]
We need to re-establish a criteria by which a person whom has been identified either through [later in life] repeated incidence of criminal activity [which will likely never stop a school shooting done by a young adult], or by identifications of a psychological pathology by involved parents and school administrations. A metric can then be determined. A sliding scale might work best, in which a sliding scale of pathological tendencies are rated from Generally Recognized as Malignant to Potential Risk to Self or Society. If the child is dangerous, they can be made a ward of the parent(s) through judicial ruling, or if necessary due to a lack of family capability, availability, etc., a ward of the state.
I can't imagine how with all the tragedies which have occurred which, excepting the obvious but misreported Islamic terrorist attacks, have been carried out by mentally ill people. The sad reality is that if we're unwilling to allow everyone to defend themselves, and actually something fundamentally more destructive to our nation, people are unwilling to "sink so low" as to carry a firearm in their own defense, then at the very least we should be arming our parents, schools, and law enforcement with the ability to shift these mentally ill folks into a system actually designed to ensure the highest quality of life, while virtually eliminating the risks those same people pose to the rest of society,.. Well we're just going to have to become desensitized as people have been saying. "Sorry for you loss, but at least it wasn't me or mine this time around."
Anyways, that's my .47 cents.
My apologies if I beat the horse to a pulp. I just am ready for some real hope to be restored, and maybe some real change, from the bottom up. If we can't convince Washington to change their ways, we can ignore Washington and operate independently first, locally second, etc etc.
Team Sergeant
10-03-2015, 10:45
Takes a long time for the Sheeple to realize that GUN FREE = DEATH ZONE. Going to take many more sheeple dying before the appropriate changes are made.
Liberals know they cannot be in power with armed citizens and the only road to tyranny/oppression is a disarmed people.
GUN FREE = DEATH ZONE
GratefulCitizen
10-03-2015, 11:21
Not convinced the nation, as a whole, is any more dangerous than it was in decades past.
Information technology just makes it feel that way.
A caveat: particular places may be worse than they had been, but there have always been areas to avoid, e.g. "bad neighborhoods".
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/10/02/umpqua-community-college-shooting-oregon-mass-shooting-fbi-statistics-column/73199052/
It's all about the spin.
The media wants people to feel helpless.
Fact is, a man fought, and lived.
Others surrendered, and were executed.
Several years ago, there was a particular case where muslim terrorists were executing captives and distributing the videos they made.
One man refused to kneel for his execution, proudly fighting a battle he knew he couldn't win, and saying "I'll show you how an Italian dies!"
The terrorists didn't want that video circulating.
It undermined the propaganda war.
The propaganda war for those who would dominate and oppress (foreign or domestic) is about perpetuating fear and helplessness.
Surrender your Liberty to the supposed strongman and he will save you.
Save you from what?
Death?
EVERYBODY DIES EVENTUALLY.
The question is: How will you live?
JMHO Sir,
He won't, because he knows deep down in his coal-charred-Islamic-heart that Chris Mintz is a US Veteran, and completely OUT of his league!
The O can only dream of having the Courage of REAL War Vets! :mad:
Holly...Prayers Out to Chris.:(
So, then why did he invite the 3 Americans (2 Vets) who acted heroically on the train in France to the WH?
Not convinced the nation, as a whole, is any more dangerous than it was in decades past.
Information technology just makes it feel that way.
A caveat: particular places may be worse than they had been, but there have always been areas to avoid, e.g. "bad neighborhoods".
Amen!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozJTenNzUKM
Don't want a gun in your house, here you go!!
Tin Foil Crowd??
Or Comrade Vladimir's PR guys blowing smoke??
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Oregon Mass Shooter On Terror List Obama Refused To Take From Russia
Posted by EU Times on Oct 2nd, 2015 // 742 Comments 5K
The Federal Security Services (FSB) is reporting today that an American black-Islamist terror suspect, who yesterday committed an act of mass murder in the State of Oregon (United States), had been included on a list of 87,000 “known/suspected” Islamic terrorists that the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL) refused last month to accept from the Federation due to its not being “politically viable in the present atmosphere”.
According to this report, the black-Islamist terrorist who committed this act of terror, Chris Harper Mercer, had previously been indentified by electronic intelligence specialists within the Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) as being an Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL) adherent after he had attempted to gain passage to Syria via Turkey during the first week of September, 2015.
By the Obama regime refusing to accept this terror list from the Federation, this report continues, Mercer was able to accomplish his terror act when yesterday he killed 9 people and wounded 7 others at the Umpqua Community College prior to his being shot and killed by local US police forces.
http://www.eutimes.net/2015/10/oregon-mass-shooter-on-terror-list-obama-refused-to-take-from-russia/
BrokenSwitch
10-04-2015, 07:41
They said the same thing about Tsarnaev. :munchin
craigepo
10-04-2015, 07:54
Takes a long time for the Sheeple to realize that GUN FREE = DEATH ZONE. Going to take many more sheeple dying before the appropriate changes are made.
Liberals know they cannot be in power with armed citizens and the only road to tyranny/oppression is a disarmed people.
GUN FREE = DEATH ZONE
You really are onto something here. I would like to see a study of the number of homicides committed in gun-free zones/cities per annum.
This could be made into a really good argument. Possibly, to the mind of a potential "crowd shooter", an honest person with a gun is a scary proposition. Also, maybe people who carry concealed weapons are loaning more security to others than we think. Thoughts?
The Reaper
10-04-2015, 08:47
It all goes back to the observation that the only thing that can quickly stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun.
Disarming the law abiding populace is completely ineffective on those intent on murder.
TR
Bleed Green
10-04-2015, 08:54
I think that you bring up an interesting point Craig. I realize the circumstances of me carrying concealed are different from the average CCW holder, but I also have always questioned the intent of most holders of a CCW permit. I am all good with them protecting their family as that is near and dear to my heart as well, but will they have any reservation about doing what is needed to keep an active shooter engaged until they get backup or are incapacitated? I always figured that one of the responsibilities of me carrying was that this would never be a question as it is my duty to get rounds down range and on target until the threat is neutralized or I am unable to fight back. My loved ones and others in the event being able to escape is the payback IMHO.
Team Sergeant
10-04-2015, 09:02
You really are onto something here. I would like to see a study of the number of homicides committed in gun-free zones/cities per annum.
This could be made into a really good argument. Possibly, to the mind of a potential "crowd shooter", an honest person with a gun is a scary proposition. Also, maybe people who carry concealed weapons are loaning more security to others than we think. Thoughts?
Most of the gun rights arguments have already been made. The recent decision in Illinois to allow concealed carry is having a chilling effect on violent crime.
One Year After Concealed Carry, Chicago Homicide Rate Plunges to 56-Year Low
Posted by John Jay on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 | 2 Comments
On the heels of a new subpoena from a federal grand jury in Chicago seeking records about Gov. Pat Quinn’s (D-Ill.) botched 2010 anti-violence program, the Neighborhood Recovery Initiative, a new poll from YouGov reveals that Chicago – one of the most heavily regulated cities in America when it comes to guns – is seen as the most dangerous city in America. It’s followed closely by New York City, Los Angeles and Washington, D.C., three other cities that are also known for their strict gun control laws.
http://www.illinoismirror.com/one-year-after-concealed-carry-chicago-homicide-rate-plunges-to-56-year-low/
Do this nationwide and you'll cut down all violent crime most ricky tic.
Hell President Bush forgot the most powerful anti-crime folks out there, the veterans. I'd like to see a bill that grants a nationwide concealed carry for all combat MOS veterans. They already have it for cops, why not retired veterans. To go even further allow all Special Forces, SEAL, Ranger, and Marine Special Ops to carry anytime, anywhere, no restrictions not even in an airplane or nuke plant.
Want to reduce crime 1000 fold in just one year, violent gangs would become a memory, drug cartel members would be running for their lives.
Just Arm the Veterans.
Old Dog New Trick
10-04-2015, 09:52
In other news...for every failure there is success.
Check out this article from USA TODAY:
4 students arrested for Calif. school shooting plot
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/10/04/students-arrested-shooting-plot/73325610/
Have seen this floating around the past day or so ...
Apparently there was an Air Force vet, who was armed and licensed to carry, who initially wanted to help when the shooting started, but was stopped by the college staff from doing so.
Published on Oct 2, 2015
An Air Force veteran who had a licensed concealed carry gun was prevented by staff from intervening in the shooting yesterday at the Umpqua Community College during which ten people were killed.
John Parker was situated in a building about 200 yards away from where the shooting began.
“There were a few people in the vet center and then when we heard the shooting happened, we got up and we were gonna go out and see what we could do,” Parker told Fox News’ Sean Hannity.
“Immediately the school staff stopped us and told us to get inside of the building….essentially the staff wouldn't let us go to assist,” he added.
One courageous man who also tried to apprehend the shooter, Army veteran Chris Mintz, ended up being shot five times. Mintz was unarmed.
In asserting his right to concealed carry, Parker was knowingly violating a rule which declared the college to be a gun free zone.
As we reported yesterday, a post on the college website made it clear that even water pistols were banned on campus.
The single security officer working on the campus was also unarmed, according to the Associated Press.
Meanwhile, as news emerges that the gunman, 26-year-old Xxxxx Xxxxxx Xxxxxx, was a potential Islamist sympathizer who dabbled in the occult, expect the left to lose interest in the incident quickly.
The fact that Xxxxxx is mixed race will also make it impossible for progressives to blame the shooting on all white people, as many did in the aftermath of the [Chattanooga] shooting.
Xxxxxx reportedly targeted Christians during the shooting, asking victims about their religion and shooting anyone who identified as a Christian in the head.
“[He started] asking people one by one what their religion was. ‘Are you a Christian?’ he would ask them, and if you're a Christian stand up. And they would stand up and he said, ‘Good, because you're a Christian, you are going to see God in just about one second.’ And then he shot and killed them,” Stacy Boylen, whose daughter was wounded at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Ore., told CNN.
Video here ----> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsoT8wANWZY
*Edited by me. I refuse to list the murder's name(s) and give them the "glory" that they seek.
Old Dog New Trick
10-04-2015, 10:09
Have seen this floating around the past day or so ...
Apparently there was an Air Force vet, who was armed and licensed to carry, who initially wanted to help when the shooting started, but was stopped by the college staff from doing so.
Doesn't surprise me in the least. :rolleyes:
Someone who either knew the law, or simply choose to exercise their rights was prevented by the scared shitless crowd into cowering in the corner like scared sheep. I'd consider a lawsuit with damages for mental anguish. Start with the school, the state and the federal government for unconstitutional laws/rules. It's the only way it's going to get to the supremes to make a ruling on the absurdity of GFZ in public or semi-private but open to the public spaces.
Also, maybe people who carry concealed weapons are loaning more security to others than we think.
If so, they should step up to help when the "good guy" gets sued for saving their lives.
Pat
Team Sergeant
10-04-2015, 10:54
Pro tip, when the shooting starts DO NOT FOLLOW THE SHEEPLE.
Another Pro tip, if the shooter is within hand grenade range YOU ATTACK THE SHOOTER.
(The only way to survive a near ambush is to immediately TURN AND ATTACK THE AMBUSHERS)
This "Option" only works with non-sheeple. (Children do not count, adults must do the attacking for them)
Last Pro tip, go outside right now and make a mental note on how "YOU'RE" going to react to a shooter in public.
If you thoughts are on retreat, well, you're sheeple, if your thoughts are on busting a cap in his ass or "muzzle thumping" the bottom-feeding low-life, welcome to the "real man" crowd.
“There were a few people in the vet center and then when we heard the shooting happened, we got up and we were gonna go out and see what we could do,” Parker told Fox News’ Sean Hannity.
“Immediately the school staff stopped us and told us to get inside of the building….essentially the staff wouldn't let us go to assist,” he added.
So an unarmed staff hand-wringer tells a guy with a will to act and the tools to do so to stop, and the guy stops? Sounds like the 'will to act' wasn't quite up to snuff, and he found an excuse.
So an unarmed staff hand-wringer tells a guy with a will to act and the tools to do so to stop, and the guy stops? Sounds like the 'will to act' wasn't quite up to snuff, and he found an excuse.
Bing Bing Bing we have a winner.
Lost of people have guns but no will to get into the fray and use them to protect others.
Bing Bing Bing we have a winner.
Lost of people have guns but no will to get into the fray and use them to protect others.
At our table, in ABQ, we had at least 4 guns. Nancy carries 2 revolvers. ;)
Pat
Bleed Green
10-04-2015, 16:59
I hope you guys are enjoying the Balloon Fiesta Pat. It is something to see if you have never been there for it. Stay safe.
I hope you guys are enjoying the Balloon Fiesta Pat. It is something to see if you have never been there for it. Stay safe.
We're not there. We had lunch with SF_BHT last month. Would have contacted you on the way south but we took the Hatch cut-off.
Pat
Bleed Green
10-04-2015, 17:06
I will look forward to you guys returning this way. I was on mids last month so you may have not gotten me anyway as I was in full vampire mode.
I hope you guys are enjoying the Balloon Fiesta Pat. It is something to see if you have never been there for it. Stay safe.
Was there this morning. Was nice.
I think that you bring up an interesting point Craig. I realize the circumstances of me carrying concealed are different from the average CCW holder, but I also have always questioned the intent of most holders of a CCW permit. I am all good with them protecting their family as that is near and dear to my heart as well, but will they have any reservation about doing what is needed to keep an active shooter engaged until they get backup or are incapacitated? I always figured that one of the responsibilities of me carrying was that this would never be a question as it is my duty to get rounds down range and on target until the threat is neutralized or I am unable to fight back. My loved ones and others in the event being able to escape is the payback IMHO.
Perhaps you could elaborate. As it reads now, that statement is open to misinterpretation, or not.
Streck-Fu
10-05-2015, 07:35
I I realize the circumstances of me carrying concealed are different from the average CCW holder, but I also have always questioned the intent of most holders of a CCW permit. I am all good with them protecting their family as that is near and dear to my heart as well, but will they have any reservation about doing what is needed to keep an active shooter engaged until they get backup or are incapacitated?
LINK (http://www.kgw.com/story/news/2014/07/24/12405148/)
Streck-Fu
10-05-2015, 07:37
In other news...for every failure there is success.
Check out this article from USA TODAY:
4 students arrested for Calif. school shooting plot
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/10/04/students-arrested-shooting-plot/73325610/
It certainly helps when they threaten people and announce their plans. The successful ones do not (unless it is an announcement immediately before acting).
Old Dog New Trick
10-05-2015, 08:15
It certainly helps when they threaten people and announce their plans. The successful ones do not (unless it is an announcement immediately before acting).
I disagree, with rare exceptions, I believe that all (most) of these assholes seek help or discuss their intentions with others before committing to act. Problem is no one is listening or understands the significance of the threat. None of these "random" attacks take place in a vacuum of absolute secrecy. At least not in my research of past events.
Someone almost always knows something but fails to act on it.
Team Sergeant
10-05-2015, 09:27
So an unarmed staff hand-wringer tells a guy with a will to act and the tools to do so to stop, and the guy stops? Sounds like the 'will to act' wasn't quite up to snuff, and he found an excuse.
Exactly...........
"An Air Force veteran who had a licensed concealed carry gun was prevented by staff from intervening in the shooting yesterday at the Umpqua Community College during which ten people were killed.
There's your problem right there..... a non-combatant.
Very few folks on this planet possess the will to run toward gunfire.
Well, my better half had been following this from the beginning through the MSM. I asked her this morning if the shooter was white or black. She replied "White".
So an unarmed staff hand-wringer tells a guy with a will to act and the tools to do so to stop, and the guy stops? Sounds like the 'will to act' wasn't quite up to snuff, and he found an excuse.
Bing Bing Bing we have a winner.
Lost of people have guns but no will to get into the fray and use them to protect others.
Exactly...........
"An Air Force veteran who had a licensed concealed carry gun was prevented by staff from intervening in the shooting yesterday at the Umpqua Community College during which ten people were killed.
There's your problem right there..... a non-combatant.
Very few folks on this planet possess the will to run toward gunfire.AKA Joe the Plumber; this guy/VET needs a lawyer and PR person because, he's going to be scrutinized by the left MSM.....:munchin
Exactly...........
"An Air Force veteran who had a licensed concealed carry gun was prevented by staff from intervening in the shooting yesterday at the Umpqua Community College during which ten people were killed.
There's your problem right there..... a non-combatant.
Very few folks on this planet possess the will to run toward gunfire.
So, exactly how did that work? I would have told them all to kiss my ass.
So, exactly how did that work? I would have told them all to kiss my ass.That's exactly why I said:
this guy/VET needs a lawyer and PR person because, he's going to be scrutinized by the left MSM.....:munchin
Team Sergeant
10-05-2015, 13:38
So, exactly how did that work? I would have told them all to kiss my ass.
And how the f**k did they know he had a gun?
"Hey I have a gun and I could go and help? No, OK, I'll just sit here and wait."
I would have said nothing and moved as quickly as possible to neutralize the threat. The ass chewing from the limp-wristed, white-knuckle, pillow biting left-wing liberals for packing heat on a campus would be most welcome afterwards.
Well, my better half had been following this from the beginning through the MSM. I asked her this morning if the shooter was white or black. She replied "White".
So I guess President Obama is white as well, since he has one black parent and one white parent, just like the shooter. Who knew?
Bleed Green
10-05-2015, 21:39
Was there this morning. Was nice.
I am officially jealous as i had to work yesterday and would have rather been ABQ way watching a mass ascension. With any luck the insurance adjuster will be here tomorrow so we might sneak up there for a day at least. Enjoy the show amigo and hope you guys don't get any of our forecasted rain the next few days.
Obama is slated to visit Roseburg residents Friday, despite the fact that he's not welcome according to one of Roseburg's local newspaper publishers David Jacques. Will be interesting to see what happens.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/04/obama-not-welcome-in-roseburg-says-local-newspaper-publisher/
Badger52
10-06-2015, 14:33
What if Jarrett threw a prompter party & no one showed up?
He should stay home & have another beer with his Cambridge prof buddy.
I am officially jealous as i had to work yesterday and would have rather been ABQ way watching a mass ascension. With any luck the insurance adjuster will be here tomorrow so we might sneak up there for a day at least. Enjoy the show amigo and hope you guys don't get any of our forecasted rain the next few days.
Since you seem more interested in posting about your desires to see mass erections and not clarifying your statement, I will assume you do question the intent of most holders of a CCW permit (post #48), and there is no misinterpreting your statement. Interesting that as a federal LEO you choose to malign the millions of American citizens that have chosen to meet the state-required regulatory requirements in order to be better prepared, if necessary, to exercise their God-given right to self-defense and defense of third persons.
Did you question the intent of Joseph Robert Wilcox (http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/shooters-carried-arsenal-supplies-sunday-rampage)?
I suppose your concern is understandable, considering that most holders of a CCW permit aren't as well-trained and professional as most law enforcement officers and special agents. Probably not even close to being as well trained and professional as DEA special agent Lee Paige (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0).
Some residance of Roseberg say Obama not http://bearingarms.com/oregon-town-blasts-obamas-inappropriate-disrespectful-visit-college-shooting/?utm_source=bafbp&utm_medium=fbpage&utm_campaign=baupdate
Those very same "residance" would be blasting the President for being disrespectful if he had said he wasn't going to come. :munchin
Bleed Green
10-06-2015, 16:27
Perhaps you could elaborate. As it reads now, that statement is open to misinterpretation, or not.
Sorry that I missed this previously SF. I was busy dealing with hail damage and didn't see it. I think what I was trying to allude to was something that others brought up about willingness and was not meant as a slight of anybody. My brother is an example, because he holds a CCW in 2 states, but his sole motivation is to protect his family and outside of that it is not to wade into a fray. I respect that but by the same token would I have the same motivation? Not at all because I personally feel an obligation to try and make a difference to my fellow man, as I suspect everybody here probably feels the same way. That was all I was alluding to when I posted and the intent was not to slight anybody as I have always been a firm believer in CCW permits as I know the deterrent effect they tend to have on the criminal population. I hope that cleared up any misconception that my thoughts may have conveyed.
Thanks for the clarification.
Bleed Green
10-06-2015, 19:34
Not a problem at all. I usually try to respond as soon as possible, but with all the hail damage the house took over the weekend it has been hectic trying to get temp fixes in place to keep from incurring more damage.
...but will they have any reservation about doing what is needed to keep an active shooter engaged until they get backup or are incapacitated?
Who knows, but if someone else engages first, they may well back them up. They certainly can't if they are not armed. A CCW doesn't require you to be a hero. It just gives you the chance. ;)
As to TS's comment about the Air Force, the E-3 AF guy did what the E-4 Army guy told him to in France. There's hope yet! :D
Pat
Team Sergeant
10-07-2015, 09:16
I think that you bring up an interesting point Craig. I realize the circumstances of me carrying concealed are different from the average CCW holder, but I also have always questioned the intent of most holders of a CCW permit. I am all good with them protecting their family as that is near and dear to my heart as well, but will they have any reservation about doing what is needed to keep an active shooter engaged until they get backup or are incapacitated? I always figured that one of the responsibilities of me carrying was that this would never be a question as it is my duty to get rounds down range and on target until the threat is neutralized or I am unable to fight back. My loved ones and others in the event being able to escape is the payback IMHO.
How would you propose keeping an active shooter "engaged"?
And unless you're wearing a cop or security uniform at the time please explain how a LEO responding to the "active shooter" call differentiates between you and the shooter?
Let me offer some advice, you either join the fray and engage quickly and decisively or like the AF guy, stay out of the way and live. There's no "keeping the shooter engaged" plan.
Bleed Green
10-07-2015, 16:36
I believe it was you TS that said don't follow the Sheeple and that is exactly what we are being taught and expect to take the fight to the assailant as it generally takes them by surprise since they expect nobody will be armed and fight back. I think that post where you authored that was spot on. I have always worried about having a blue on blue incident just as much as having limited ammunition but to me it always seems like if you fight back and get them contained in one area, particularly if they have no escape but through you, they tend to end the fight on their own and that may be your best bet to surviving the encounter. Like you said, quick and decisive usually prevails and if it ever happens I pray that you and the instructors are correct.
Team Sergeant
10-07-2015, 16:41
I believe it was you TS that said don't follow the Sheeple and that is exactly what we are being taught and expect to take the fight to the assailant as it generally takes them by surprise since they expect nobody will be armed and fight back. I think that post where you authored that was spot on. I have always worried about having a blue on blue incident just as much as having limited ammunition but to me it always seems like if you fight back and get them contained in one area, particularly if they have no escape but through you, they tend to end the fight on their own and that may be your best bet to surviving the encounter. Like you said, quick and decisive usually prevails and if it ever happens I pray that you and the instructors are correct.
What's the motto of the British 22 SAS? :munchin
Most target schools and such because of the fact that they are gun free and extremely soft. History shows they don't want to be confronted -- much less isolated -- and usually end it of their own accord.
Old Dog New Trick
10-07-2015, 18:02
It was reported today that two 'detectives' were first to arrive. Exchanged fire and the POS was struck once in the right side. It was at this time the POS retreated back into a room and killed himself.
Anyone wanna bet the detectives were wearing street clothes?
That happened at the Portland mall a couple years ago. A guy pulled down to take out the shooter. He did not pull the trigger because he lacked a clear shot but says the shooter seen him, went to a hidden area and killed himself. Not sure why but they seem to prefer to kill themselves than going down fighting, the thinking of a coward is my theory.
I think that part of it is that many of them don't feel they have control over many parts of their lives.
In this way...they do the planning and the carrying out of those plans.
They have the guns and call the proverbial shots on unsuspecting and unprotected "easy" targets who more than likely have no way of protecting themselves.
Then...once someone comes along who has weapons and "know-how", suddenly the rules change and they can no longer "call the shots" thus they end it on their own terms because they know that in the end...they will "lose again" unless they do so.
That's just my take on it.
Bleed Green
10-07-2015, 21:47
Who dares wins. Do you mind if I offline you on something TS?
Team Sergeant
10-08-2015, 08:29
Who dares wins. Do you mind if I offline you on something TS?
Sure, as long as you're not trying to sell me something or asking me on a man date..... :rolleyes:
So some think there was an ISIS link.
http://pamelageller.com/2015/10/here-is-the-oregon-shooters-profile.html/
So why has the media remain silent?
Looks like he's holding a mini-14 in that photo.
Pat
Citizens react to BO's visit: Go Golf! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFhcc0Wykvc) :D
Pat
Old Dog New Trick
10-09-2015, 15:12
It must be terrifying for the President (and his family) to be surrounded by guns 24/7. Everywhere he goes, there are agents with guns, police with guns, snipers on roof tops with guns, men walking beside him with guns...etc...etc.
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/10/obama_visits_roseburg_live_upd.html
And today he chose to bring along an armored car because, well the good intentions of lawful citizens decided to bring even more guns to make sure he came and left their city peacefully.
No one was hurt in the writing of this post.
I remember one time President Clinton came to visit Haiti. The SS asked us to provide counter-sniper support and checkpoint control of which we said sure. Then they asked for the bolts to our guns, at which time we told them to pound sand...they left and we weren't invited. I think 10th Mountain gladly provided cannon fodder in uniform for the visit. Don't know why the SS would think a bunch of SF types, would harm the POTUS...that's just ridiculous.
Always entertaining IMO he hits the mark more times than not.
It's the Steel: Bill Whittle's Solution to Gun Control
Published on Oct 9, 2015
"In the aftermath of more mass shootings, Bill Whittle tackles gun control, rebutting progressives call for stricter measures."
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jwLjFm6GMBM
craigepo
10-19-2015, 10:20
A decent article on the danger of gun-free zones.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/10/the_evil_of_gunfree_zones.html?utm_source=twitterf eed&utm_medium=facebook
craigepo
10-20-2015, 06:29
Here is another article, this one from National Review, regarding the danger of gun-free zones. I will be curious to see if any state legislatures start acting on actual facts and data instead of emotions.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425802/gun-free-zones-don't-save-lives-right-to-carry-laws-do
Team Sergeant
10-20-2015, 09:01
Here is another article, this one from National Review, regarding the danger of gun-free zones. I will be curious to see if any state legislatures start acting on actual facts and data instead of emotions.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425802/gun-free-zones-don't-save-lives-right-to-carry-laws-do
Liberals only read liberal media and the liberal media contains little - no facts.
Liberals would rather watch five old women with the collective IQ of a sea cucumber discuss the merits of the "gun-free" zones. (The View)
Liberal media hung a Christian baker that refused to bake a gay wedding cake. Go into any muslim bakery and order a gay wedding cake and see what happens.
It's all about who controls the media.
Old Dog New Trick
09-24-2016, 12:22
Another mall shooting in Washington. One can only think with the absence of return fire that it took place in a Gun Free Zone like most of Washington's malls are.
Five dead in Cascade Mall shooting in Burlington; Police search for suspect
http://www.king5.com/news/local/five-people-dead-in-cascade-mall-shooting-in-burlington/324940198
(Via KING 5)
Check out this article from USA TODAY:
Gunman at large after killing 5 at mall north of Seattle
http://usat.ly/2drcmk1
It's a good thing witnesses described the suspect as being Hispanic or I might jump to conclusions based on the photos released. Many 'illegals' in that area due to farming and tulip business.
Apparently it also seems that his "hunting rifle" fired 8-9 times which supports my thinking it's a Ruger 10/22 which is what I see in the photo. (Thank goodness it wasn't black or an AR.) Have the rifle so serial numbers, fingerprints and other DNA left behind. Hopefully won't take long to decipher what that leads to.
Suspect is still on the loose and if he's smart he should be in California by now. Even though he was only miles from Canada.
RIP to the victims.
Team Sergeant
09-24-2016, 13:13
Another mall shooting in Washington. One can only think with the absence of return fire that it took place in a Gun Free Zone like most of Washington's malls are.
Five dead in Cascade Mall shooting in Burlington; Police search for suspect
http://www.king5.com/news/local/five-people-dead-in-cascade-mall-shooting-in-burlington/324940198
(Via KING 5)
Check out this article from USA TODAY:
Gunman at large after killing 5 at mall north of Seattle
http://usat.ly/2drcmk1
It's a good thing witnesses described the suspect as being Hispanic or I might jump to conclusions based on the photos released. Many 'illegals' in that area due to farming and tulip business.
Apparently it also seems that his "hunting rifle" fired 8-9 times which supports my thinking it's a Ruger 10/22 which is what I see in the photo. (Thank goodness it wasn't black or an AR.) Have the rifle so serial numbers, fingerprints and other DNA left behind. Hopefully won't take long to decipher what that leads to.
Suspect is still on the loose and if he's smart he should be in California by now. Even though he was only miles from Canada.
RIP to the victims.
Yeah I'm sure he's Hispanic, right up to the moment the police release the fact he was yelling "allahu snackbar" as he was pulling the trigger.
I've not been in a mall that was not a gun-free zone. I don't shop at malls, ever.
Old Dog New Trick
09-24-2016, 22:11
Aloha snackbar - subject in custody.
My suspicions were also correct - he not pollo but...served on the third Thursday in November.
Also not terrorism but domestic link to old girlfriend (she wasn't there any more) guess he went through all the trouble to kill her and when she wasn't there he decided to kill those who were there.
Lastly, don't let anyone tell you a .22 is less dangerous than a .223. Yes, it was a Ruger 10/22 that he used to kill five people.
Look forward to the mentally defective defense for murder. :rolleyes:
I guess someone owes Hispanics nationwide an apology.
TOMAHAWK9521
09-25-2016, 09:33
I was wondering if this guy was carrying out a family sanction killing of sister or cousin (that most noble pastime known as honor killing) and her infidel boyfriend along with three other traitorous female muslim friends who were embracing the evil western culture.