View Full Version : Why I will vote for Mr. Trump....
Team Sergeant
08-27-2015, 14:57
Trump said recently of his GOP opponents, “Hey they can make fun of me if they want. They can belittle me if they want. They can badmouth me all they want, but they can’t change the facts. The truth is what it is –It’s they who made broken promise after broken promise. They have failed and continue to fail to stop the far left, communist wrecking ball that has almost killed the country. If you want American to be great again vote for me. I will make American great again. You want more political smoke blown up your ass? Vote for one of them.”
http://alreporter.com/archives/2015/146-state/8128-trump-coming-to-mobile-friday.html
Someone needs to get me a TRUMP Campaign Button. Can not find a office here in ABQ... That would make two women I work with go crazy...
Political correctness versus no PC...
Open borders versus a big ass fence with a real nice door...
He pays for his own election costs...
Veterans and military become priority...
Traditional lobbyists can suck a...
Make America great again...
ISIS et al finally get what they have long deserved...
Mexico pays for a wall...
No need for Air Force 1...Trump's got his own jet !
Trump and Cruz have an event planned against Obama's proposed nuclear agreement with Iran.
Trump has arguably energized an otherwise lethargic GOP.
CDRODA396
08-27-2015, 15:40
I'm with you for exactly the same reason. Ted Cruz has said it repeatedly, the voter gave the Right the House in '12, then the Senate in '14, but not a f#$king thing has changed.
Trump is more Progressive than I'd like, but one thing is for sure, he is NOT the career politician (both sides of the aisle) that has DESTROYED our once great Nation, so I for one am more than ready for something completely different, and right now Trump is as different as you can vote for.
Bleed Green
08-27-2015, 16:27
Someone needs to get me a TRUMP Campaign Button. Can not find a office here in ABQ... That would make two women I work with go crazy...
I want his campaign to come out with a deck of Trump cards. ;)
I know he is full of crap on things like the 14th Amendment and building a wall, but about everything else he is running on resonates with me. I loved what he said yesterday when the reporter was trying to bait him into the Virginia shootings were a gun control issue. IMHO he is better when he just cuts to the chase and doesn't posture.
I know he is full of crap on things like the 14th Amendment
He is right about the 14th amendment. From the Senator who presented it to the senate:
[The 14th amendment] will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of person.
Also:
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=590975&postcount=31
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=591023&postcount=45
Pat
NurseTim
08-27-2015, 17:41
I'm generally for Trump. One thing gives me pause. His position on taxes. He on record for increasing taxes on people like him. This is a proven losing strategy.
His position would be much stronger, and supported by most of the populous, if he abolished the irs and instituted a flat sales tax or the fair tax and declawed the irs.
Me? Right here. Yes, it's the messenger.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wN7KHWdyrbI
Lol, love to see that MOFO Trump go after that snake Eric Holder and then rename his former best seller..."The Art of The Squeal !"
Roguish Lawyer
08-27-2015, 19:25
Trump said recently of his GOP opponents, “Hey they can make fun of me if they want. They can belittle me if they want. They can badmouth me all they want, but they can’t change the facts. The truth is what it is –It’s they who made broken promise after broken promise. They have failed and continue to fail to stop the far left, communist wrecking ball that has almost killed the country. If you want American to be great again vote for me. I will make American great again. You want more political smoke blown up your ass? Vote for one of them.”
http://alreporter.com/archives/2015/146-state/8128-trump-coming-to-mobile-friday.html
Good stuff, I'll give him that!
I fear people are conflating Trump's reality TV 'openess' and business acumen with his suitabilty for POTUS.
I remember when my brother, a rancher, was going through tough times and considered declaring bankruptcy. My Dad took him outside and told him that 'we' don't do that - we pay our bills and if he did that he would be disowned. My brother figured it out and paid the bills, but he got out of farming.
As for Mr Trump... http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-filed-bankruptcy-times/story?id=13419250
I'll wait for the ballot to see who I vote for or against.
Richard
I fear people are conflating Trump's reality TV 'openess' and business acumen with his suitabilty for POTUS.
I'll wait for the ballot to see who I vote for or against.
Richard
At present the suitable qualifications for POTUS are that of a drug addict....lying, cheating, stealing and self prostitution.
At present the suitable qualifications for POTUS are that of a drug addict....lying, cheating, stealing and self prostitution.
Last time I looked at the Constitution, that wasn't the case.
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
Richard
I fear people are conflating Trump's reality TV 'openess' and business acumen with his suitabilty for POTUS.
As for Mr Trump... http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-filed-bankruptcy-times/story?id=13419250
Richard
As has been posted here on this board and elsewhere on social media, "What we need is a CEO, NOT a politician." I tending to lean in that direction.
The link that you posted is more than four years old and was brought up at the last debate ...
His response ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCydILh7rOQ
HE himself hasn't ever gone bankrupt or filed for bankruptcy, only on four occasions has his company had to file bankruptcy on four separate projects.
I'm still not totally in his camp, nor anyone else's at this point, but I will say honestly, I do like the direction he is going and what he is saying. We still have a long way to go before election day.
HE himself hasn't ever gone bankrupt or filed for bankruptcy, only on four occasions has his company had to file bankruptcy on four separate projects.
Funniest thing I've read lately.
Richard
Ricardo, mi amigo, did you pick up some rose-colored granny glasses on your last visit to the Haight-Ashbury district of San Francisco? I don’t recall a single peep from you regarding the serious financial distress that your new state of residence, California, is in.
While I’m not sold on Trump, he’s hammering buttons that all of the other GOP candidates need to be, at least, tickling.
Care to share who you like at the moment? ;)
Pat
Trump is more Progressive than I'd like, but one thing is for sure, he is NOT the career politician (both sides of the aisle) that has DESTROYED our once great Nation, so I for one am more than ready for something completely different, and right now Trump is as different as you can vote for.
This is what Joe citizen is responding too, anger, pure and simple. And, its exactly what the "career politician" don't understand. Remember the confrontation they face when obama care was being presented? What did they do, they passed a law that restricts you from confronting them, we have had enough. Pass the cake, off with their heads!!!
Funniest thing I've read lately.
Bankruptcy
Bankruptcy laws were created to afford the individual, or corporation, the opportunity to regroup.
Filing stays your current debt, allows you to continue to conduct business, while you work out a payment structure (under court supervision) with your creditors. It’s a process, nothing more or less to seek relief.
For businesses that want survive the process and continue, creditors must be willing to support and hold the debt while you move forward restructuring your cash flow. Usually, for the small business, its debt reduction agreed to with a strict payment schedule, that has flexibility to readjust to changing, or unforeseen conditions, while paying for new products or services COD, until you are financially stable again, or you fail. It’s a ball breaking process.
The procedures to file is no walk in the park. I investigated filing in 2009, after the financial crash of 2008. Over the next several years we opened and closed several small fine dining restaurants. We were in serious trouble, but chose not to because our creditors were willing to work with us, based on our history. Had our creditors not been willing to go the distance, I would have used the business laws of our beloved America, and walked away. Just like all the “Too big to Fail” did, to strive for success another day.
Time will tell if Trump is still standing and on the ticket for the general election. He is not the norm and obviously folks are fed up with the norm. politicians tell people what they think the people want to hear, in Trump we have someone telling people what they need to hear. We can do no worse with Trump in office.
Trump is indeed, at this point, a very serious candidate. Any opponent still attempting to equate his popularity to that of a train wreck that you just can't turn away from, is underestimating the guy--at their own peril. His leadership, salesmanship and presence are remarkable and clearly his strength. However, I equate his "temper" and the way he attacks even mild critics as a real lack of maturity and self control. He is clearly a SME on negotiation and how the real world works and what it takes to be successful in business. His lack of intellectual depth is concerning; some of the ways in which he describes his proposed policies illustrate this lack of depth.
I happen, like most here, to find the guy incredibly entertaining but he has to grow more as a candidate and I need to hear more of his actual policies to be swayed. That said, if he got the nomination...he would get my vote.
Last time I looked at the Constitution, that wasn't the case.
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
Richard
I would like to agree, but
According to many that eligibility standard was thrown under the bus in 2008 with the election of a Kenyan who became President of the World...so anybody can be President, anybody can walk across the border and instantly become a citizen, anybody can get SS, SNAP, Medicare benefits anybody can be on city council and everybody has 2nd Amendment rights....and much,much, more
ANYBODY, not just legal citizens who have a vested interest.
So.....aside from having arrowless moral compass what else makes a candidate suitable to become the POTUS?
Paragrouper
08-28-2015, 06:27
"I play to peoples fantasies. A little Hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and most spectacular." ~Donald Trump. The Art of the Deal (1987)
When you review Trump and other candidates, don't judge them simply by the promises they make or the bombastic way they deliver it. Judge their credibility and capability. Otherwise we end up with another crappy leader that can BS well.
Trump kinda reminds me of "Back to School" with Rodney Dangerfield...lol
Interesting polls.
They all are showing a serious lack of desire for an establishment candidate.
If Trump dropped out I would think the biggest share of his support would migrate to Carson.
Trapper John
08-28-2015, 07:27
"I play to peoples fantasies. A little Hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and most spectacular." ~Donald Trump. The Art of the Deal (1987)
When you review Trump and other candidates, don't judge them simply by the promises they make or the bombastic way they deliver it. Judge their credibility and capability. Otherwise we end up with another crappy leader that can BS well.
I think you hit the nail on the head with that comment! I was dismayed by (i) Trump's unwillingness to not commit to not running a 3rd party campaign and (ii) the apparent lack of substance to his proposals. Since then I have realized a couple of things:
1. Trump has an emotive style. He moves people from a position of complacency. A necessary quality in a "Leader" as opposed to a "Manager". He is visceral.
2. You cannot evaluate him like you would a wonky politician (e.g. Jeb Bush) and this is driving the pundits on the left and right crazy. Over intellectualized analysis (e.g. George Will) misses the point.
3. He has a perfect message and his messaging is nearly flawless.
4. His management style is probably predictive of his governance style - i.e. he will attract the best and brightest to key positions, tell them they are doing a lousy job, and drive them to a level of excellence beyond what they thought capable or fire them.
5. When he does put specifics to his goals and objectives he is correct. For example the kerfluffel over the 14th A and deportation of illegal immigrants. This drives his detractors into a state of apoplexy.
6. He gets things done! Remember he wrote the book on deal making so, yes, he can build a coalition.
7. He doesn't take himself too seriously and doesn't appear to hold grudges (even Rosie O). Prediction: If he wins the Nomination and goes on to win the Election, look for him to offer Megyn Kelly the Press Secretary position (he likes hot blondes with a brain).
Oh, and Penn, thanks for explaining Bankruptcy, saved me a post. :D
Is 'The Donald' a matter of 'reality' or 'perception'?
http://www.nationalmemo.com/21-questions-for-donald-trump/
Personally, his bombastic, bullying 'style' bothers me, as does his historically amoral personal lifestyle, and I just don't see him as someone who would be effective in balancing the 'seven hats' that are said to be worn by the POTUS.
MOO.
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BT
Richard
mark46th
08-28-2015, 08:27
I would still vote for Trump rather than any of the Democratic possibilities.
Team Sergeant
08-28-2015, 08:59
Is 'The Donald' a matter of 'reality' or 'perception'?
http://www.nationalmemo.com/21-questions-for-donald-trump/
Personally, his bombastic, bullying 'style' bothers me, as does his historically amoral personal lifestyle, and I just don't see him as someone who would be effective in balancing the 'seven hats' that are said to be worn by the POTUS.
MOO.
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BT
Richard
All those years spent living in California you just don't remember seeing a politician with a spine.
Javadrinker
08-28-2015, 09:01
I find great similarities between what Trump says and what Cruz says. I'd vote for Trump, but not forget that it is the other 535 that need to really change. Prez will have a major say in reshaping the SCOTUS, and getting trade agreements reshaped, but without congressional change ....
Roguish Lawyer
08-28-2015, 09:02
I love this guy on TV and I am entertained by his speeches.
However, if you guys knew how this guy really operates in the business world, both within his companies and in dealing with his business partners, I cannot imagine that any of you would support him. It is shocking to me that any Green Beret, given the community's views on things like not fucking over your teammates for your own benefit, could support him. That's all I have toupee.
Team Sergeant
08-28-2015, 09:07
I find great similarities between what Trump says and what Cruz says. I'd vote for Trump, but not forget that it is the other 535 that need to really change. Prez will have a major say in reshaping the SCOTUS, and getting trade agreements reshaped, but without congressional change ....
"social media" has forever changed the way we do business. Social media now controls hundreds of millions mindless idiots and targets the new users to change their value system.
My point, change is not going to happen unless the way most view social media does. Those mindless millions no longer think for themselves and their voting shows it.
Taking over the world is the mindless social media crowd, get used to it.
Team Sergeant
08-28-2015, 09:09
I love this guy on TV and I am entertained by his speeches.
However, if you guys knew how this guy really operates in the business world, both within his companies and in dealing with his business partners, I cannot imagine that any of you would support him. It is shocking to me that any Green Beret, given the community's views on things like not fucking over your teammates for your own benefit, could support him. That's all I have toupee.
You realize your words lack any factual references. And you're getting a bit personal are you not? :munchin
I love this guy on TV and I am entertained by his speeches.
However, if you guys knew how this guy really operates in the business world, both within his companies and in dealing with his business partners, I cannot imagine that any of you would support him. It is shocking to me that any Green Beret, given the community's views on things like not fucking over your teammates for your own benefit, could support him. That's all I have toupee.
While the democratic party has been effectively applying Machiavellian principles in their quest to destroy (socialize) America, the republican party has been selling cupcakes. Donald Trump may be the Machiavellian candidate this country needs in order to expose and destroy the socialist/progressive movement.
Ted Cruz seems to agree, since he is the only republican candidate that hasn't attacked Trump. Perhaps we will see a Trump/Cruz ticket.
Ted Cruz Teams Up With Donald Trump at Iran Rally (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/08/27/ted-cruz-seeks-to-team-up-with-donald-trump-at-iran-rally/?mod=WSJBlog)
It is shocking to me that any Green Beret, given the community's views on things like not fucking over your teammates for your own benefit, could support him.
As long as he is fucking over the democratic/socialist party and the quisling establishment republicans (John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, John McCain, Lindsay Graham, Jeb Bush, et al.)for the benefit of this once great nation, I could support him.
Trump kinda reminds me of "Back to School" with Rodney Dangerfield...lol
LOL .... and we all know how that turned out. :D
Team Sergeant
08-28-2015, 10:07
While the democratic party has been effectively applying Machiavellian principles in their quest to destroy (socialize) America, the republican party has been selling cupcakes. Donald Trump may be the Machiavellian candidate this country needs in order to expose and destroy the socialist/progressive movement.
Ted Cruz seems to agree, since he is the only republican candidate that hasn't attacked Trump. Perhaps we will see a Trump/Cruz ticket.
Ted Cruz Teams Up With Donald Trump at Iran Rally (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/08/27/ted-cruz-seeks-to-team-up-with-donald-trump-at-iran-rally/?mod=WSJBlog)
Something that most don't see coming, not until their freedoms are completely gone and there's little they can do about it...... and the very reason that "green berets" are strategic assets and not tactical, we don't view this in the short term.
And remember, we're the ones that teach "snakes" to kill each other..................
Trump says guns are not the problem and that he is pro 2nd Amendment.
LINK (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/27/donald-trump-virginia-shooting-a-mental-problem-not-a-gun-problem/)
For what it's worth, someone I know played a round of golf with Trump recently and had nothing but good things to say about him. The only atypical characteristic Trump exhibited was his graciousness to everyone he came in contact with.
Trapper John
08-28-2015, 11:54
Is 'The Donald' a matter of 'reality' or 'perception'?
http://www.nationalmemo.com/21-questions-for-donald-trump/
Personally, his bombastic, bullying 'style' bothers me, as does his historically amoral personal lifestyle, and I just don't see him as someone who would be effective in balancing the 'seven hats' that are said to be worn by the POTUS.
MOO.
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BT
Richard
Good points Richard! Unfortunately, in order to wake up the walking dead at this point, I think the style and personality of the Donald may be exactly what we need to turn the apple cart upside-down. Risky to be sure. But the likes of Jeb Bush, et al. have about as much energy as Major (Sominex) Yamamoto. :D
OTOH, the risk of this energetic, hyperbolic, visceral approach (as pointed out to me by a former SOCOM Command Surgeon we both know and love) is exactly what propelled Hitler to power in Germany. :eek:
So the choice as I see it is to either continue on the same ol' path toward state sponsored oppression and abdication of world leadership, or take a risk, kick some ass, and see what happens.
You can gather HUMINT or SIGNIT or ya' can just toss a grenade and see what happens.
Fasten your seat belts boys and girls - it's gonna be a bumpy ride.
Roguish Lawyer
08-28-2015, 13:02
You realize your words lack any factual references. And you're getting a bit personal are you not? :munchin
I have never represented his companies myself, but I have worked at firms that represented him and were on the other side of him. I am not going to get any more specific than that. Sometimes people see what they want to see.
mark46th
08-28-2015, 21:00
"Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer View Post
I love this guy on TV and I am entertained by his speeches.
However, if you guys knew how this guy really operates in the business world, both within his companies and in dealing with his business partners, I cannot imagine that any of you would support him. It is shocking to me that any Green Beret, given the community's views on things like not fucking over your teammates for your own benefit, could support him. That's all I have toupee." RL
He will do well dealing with Arabs, Iranians and Afghan's....
RomanCandle
08-29-2015, 04:19
I have never represented his companies myself, but I have worked at firms that represented him and were on the other side of him. I am not going to get any more specific than that. Sometimes people see what they want to see.
Who would you rather have?
^^^^^You haven't read many of his posts, have you?
The Reaper
08-29-2015, 09:07
I don't think Trump will get the nomination.
I hope Cruz does, but the establishment doesn't like him either. "Too conservative" for their tastes.
TR
I don't think Trump will get the nomination.
I hope Cruz does, but the establishment doesn't like him either. "Too conservative" for their tastes.
TR
Concur. Trump's chances are slim. For now, however, Trump's recon by fire is provoking discussion and illuminating the widespread dissatisfaction with both political parties, the political donor establishment and other elites in DC.
Concur. Trump's chances are slim. For now, however, Trump's recon by fire is provoking discussion and illuminating the widespread dissatisfaction with both political parties, the political donor establishment and other elites in DC.
A noted on Drudge yesterday Clinton Camp Says One-Fifth of Delegates Secured for Nomination, true or false it does shed light that 'the establishment' will decide which party approved idiots/nominees we will have to choose from come November 2016.
That is a rigged election.
GratefulCitizen
08-29-2015, 11:20
Trump is accurately identifying problems, political correctness be damned.
This is a necessary first step, and it's about time someone had the courage to do it.
However, it is not the same thing as identifying workable solutions.
So far, the solutions offered seem a bit like "belling the cat".
Those who would perpetuate existing problems are already hard at work looking to undermine any future solutions.
It would be nice to hear some frank honesty from any of the candidates regarding the hard choices and associated sacrifices involved in workable solutions.
That would show real political courage.
I don't think Trump will get the nomination.
I hope Cruz does, but the establishment doesn't like him either. "Too conservative" for their tastes.
TR
Concur. Trump's chances are slim. For now, however, Trump's recon by fire is provoking discussion and illuminating the widespread dissatisfaction with both political parties, the political donor establishment and other elites in DC.
The issue I have with Trump's recon by fire is that most of it's directed at Republican candidates.
I like that Trump is challenging bullshit PC, but if he's not the nominee, his take no prisoners approach with other Republican candidates now will likely kill any chance the Republicans have for the White House during the general election.
"Bush is low energy." "Walker killed education in Wisconsin." "Fiorina was a horrible business person that killed HP." On and on. If Trump's not nominated, the actual nominee will have to run in the general against both Hillary and Trump's running commentary about them (replayed over and over by the Dem's). Not sure how that approach ends up helping anyone but the Dem's.
GratefulCitizen
08-29-2015, 15:02
There are many things to like about Trump and some of the other candidates.
But there is one issue which is often avoided in the vetting of our political leaders.
Do they have the heart of a servant?
Or, do they seek to be a master?
One of the reasons military leaders are consistently better than leaders from other fields is that they must first spend a long career serving and subordinating to others, and to a greater cause.
This is how a true servant-leader is built.
Can any of the current candidates claim such a character-building process in their past?
The issue I have with Trump's recon by fire is that most of it's directed at Republican candidates.
I like that Trump is challenging bullshit PC, but if he's not the nominee, his take no prisoners approach with other Republican candidates now will likely kill any chance the Republicans have for the White House during the general election.
Bush is low energy. Walker killed education in Wisconsin. Fiorina was a horrible business person that killed HP. On and on. If Trump's not nominated, the actual nominee will have to run in the general against both Hillary and Trump's running commentary about them (replayed over and over by the Dem's). Not sure how that approach ends up helping anyone but the Dem's.
Trump says nice things about Ted Cruz.
The others IMO have earned his "wrath."
Trump can always redirect his fire when it is time.
The GOP candidates must address the issues that Trump forces to the forefront instead of hiding in the shadows...IMO Trump is playing a valuable role no matter the result.
No more pale pastels.
Trapper John
08-29-2015, 17:04
There are many things to like about Trump and some of the other candidates.
But there is one issue which is often avoided in the vetting of our political leaders.
Do they have the heart of a servant?
Or, do they seek to be a master?
One of the reasons military leaders are consistently better than leaders from other fields is that they must first spend a long career serving and subordinating to others, and to a greater cause.
This is how a true servant-leader is built.
Can any of the current candidates claim such a character-building process in their past?
:lifter
Bush is low energy. Walker killed education in Wisconsin. Fiorina was a horrible business person that killed HP. On and on.
But in reality did Walker and Fiorina kill the mentioned institutions all by themselves, or is it just media spin and scapegoating?
craigepo
08-29-2015, 17:19
The issue I have with Trump's recon by fire is that most of it's directed at Republican candidates.
Bush is low energy. Walker killed education in Wisconsin. Fiorina was a horrible business person that killed HP. On and on.
Did you mean to put that in quotes as Trump's opinion, or is it yours?
Fiorina was a horrible business person that killed HP.
Odd, when my wife retired from HP a couple of months ago, it was alive and well. You do realize that the "dot-com bubble" burst during her tenure. Success or failure in business has many definitions depending on who you are.
Shareholders like increasing share prices coupled with an increase in dividends. Employees like job security and increasing benefits and wages. Consumers want higher quality products at lower prices.
A CEO can't always please everyone all the time. As I pointed out in another thread, HP has, or is in the process of, laying off 55,000 employees. Not really making the news is it? They are also about to split into 2 separate companies dividing the hardware side from the software side.
CEOs have to juggle all these interests and more, career politicians just have to juggle words.
As to Trump's business bankruptcies, I believe that every single airline in this country has gone bankrupt at least once except Southwest.
Pat
Did you mean to put that in quotes as Trump's opinion, or is it yours?
Thanks for the heads up. I edited it to add the quotes.
Thanks for the heads up. I edited it to add the quotes.
Well, rats. That makes most of my previous post irrelevant except for the bankruptcy part. :p
Don't do that again. :D
Pat
Surprisingly, a pro? Trump opinion from the Weekly Standard.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/traitor-his-class_1020527.html
While I’m not sold on Trump, he’s hammering buttons that all of the other GOP candidates need to be, at least, tickling.
Care to share who you like at the moment? ;)
Pat
They need to keep looking.
Richard
They need to keep looking.
Richard
Looks like Hillary is really kissing some Ass....:eek:
Trapper John
08-30-2015, 10:15
Surprisingly, a pro? Trump opinion from the Weekly Standard.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/traitor-his-class_1020527.html
Didn't see that article as either pro or con Trump. I think it's accurate and describes very well the problem pundits have in trying to put Trump into a box to analyze. They are using the wrong formula and wrong metrics IMO. Trump is working the human domain (prepping the indig) on a very basic and emotional level. "....for Donald Trump ...... success is about human battles and visible victories."
The pundits and his political opponents ".....are like doctors who use patients to advance medical research for its own sake, rather than physicians who use medicine to cure the patients before them."
I have said before, I think his message and messaging are nearly flawless. It will be interesting to see if he can translate his popularity to votes.
I wouldn't bet against him at this point.
Didn't see that article as either pro or con Trump.
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I wouldn't bet against him at this point.
Hence the question mark. My expectation of the Weekly Standard is that they would be siding against him, but not excessively.
I wouldn't bet against any of them at this point. ;)
Roguish Lawyer
08-30-2015, 14:47
One of the reasons military leaders are consistently better than leaders from other fields is that they must first spend a long career serving and subordinating to others, and to a greater cause.
This is how a true servant-leader is built.
Why don't you name some of these fantastic military leaders?
With all due respect, the officers I see rising to the top of the military are ass-kissing, ticket-punching, politically correct assholes. Guys like Wesley Clark. The officers I've gotten to know who I respect the most got passed over for promotions at some point because they were unwilling to play the game. I'm sure there are exceptions, but the more exposed I am to military leaders, the more I think DoD is just another fucked up government agency.
Y'all go ahead and dogpile me if I'm wrong. :munchin
GratefulCitizen
08-30-2015, 18:52
Why don't you name some of these fantastic military leaders?
With all due respect, the officers I see rising to the top of the military are ass-kissing, ticket-punching, politically correct assholes. Guys like Wesley Clark. The officers I've gotten to know who I respect the most got passed over for promotions at some point because they were unwilling to play the game. I'm sure there are exceptions, but the more exposed I am to military leaders, the more I think DoD is just another fucked up government agency.
Y'all go ahead and dogpile me if I'm wrong. :munchin
Concerning senior military leadership, as opposed to the other leaders within the military, I will defer to expert opinion.
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=218305&postcount=11
Trapper John
08-30-2015, 19:15
Concerning senior military leadership, as opposed to the other leaders within the military, I will defer to expert opinion.
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=218305&postcount=11
Good response!
FWIW, I agree with the premise of your post and the concept of a "servant-leader". COL (USA ret) Alan West would be a good example IMO.
GratefulCitizen
08-30-2015, 19:44
I have many reservations about Trump.
But, to the current crop of Jezebels and Ahabs which constitute those holding power:
He is Jehu.
Good response!
FWIW, I agree with the premise of your post and the concept of a "servant-leader". COL (USA ret) Alan West would be a good example IMO.
LTC (R) West has said some unflattering things about SF when he first retired. I am not completely sold on him beyond the House of Representatives.
In my opinion with few exceptions, other senior (all four-stars) military leadership have been tested and have been found wanting.
They need to keep looking.
Richard
Cute. But have you ever had to pull a calf?
You didn't answer my question. ;)
Pat
Trapper John
08-31-2015, 08:00
LTC (R) West has said some unflattering things about SF when he first retired. I am not completely sold on him beyond the House of Representatives.
In my opinion with few exceptions, other senior (all four-stars) military leadership have been tested and have been found wanting.
Thanks for the correction (yep LTC). Wasn't aware of his SF related comments. Nevertheless, he does seem to have his head screwed on right wrt the function of leadership and that's probably a direct result of his military training.
Agree, he is not POTUS material, but I sure would like to see more like him in Congress.