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Here it comes ....
:munchin
Navy SEALs prepare to open to women, top admiral says
The Navy is planning to open its elite SEAL teams to women who can pass the grueling training regimen, the service's top officer said Tuesday in an exclusive interview.
Adm. Jon Greenert said he and the head of Naval Special Warfare Command, Rear Adm. Brian Losey, believe that if women can pass the legendary six-month Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL training, they should be allowed to serve.
"Why shouldn't anybody who can meet these [standards] be accepted? And the answer is, there is no reason," Greenert said Tuesday in an exclusive interview with Navy Times' sister publication Defense News. "So we're on a track to say, 'Hey look, anybody who can meet the gender non-specific standards, then you can become a SEAL.'"
The push to integrate the storied SEAL brotherhood is coming on the heels of a comprehensive review led by Losey, the head of Naval Special Warfare Command, that recommended women be allowed under the same exacting standards required of male candidates; a final decision on integrating the SEALs is still pending. The Army and Air Force are also moving to open all combat jobs to women, according to officials who spoke to the Associated Press. It's believed the Marine Corps may seek to keep its ground combat jobs, including the infantry, male-only.
The move to integrate the military's most storied commando units comes the day after news broke that two women had passed the Army's arduous Ranger course. Nineteen women began the course, which has about a 45 percent passing rate.
The Navy has said it is on track to open all ratings to women by next year, but this is the first indication that the SEALs are leaning toward accepting candidates. Greenert didn't specify a timeline for allowing women candidates into BUD/S training.
Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command is also conducting a review of its standards with an eye to including women, according MARSOC head Maj. Gen. Joseph Osterman.
The SEALs would be the latest, and the last, of the traditionally male-only branches to open to women during Mabus' tenure.
In 2011, the first female officers reported to ballistic missile submarines, and early this year several more reported to Virginia-class attack subs. Enlisted women are on track to join them next year and the service is already recruiting enlisted women off the streets to enter submarine ratings.
And in 2012, riverine training opened to women, making way for the go-ahead to assign them to billets and deploy them last year.
It's not clear how many women will attempt to join the SEALs when it opens to them. The percentage of women in expeditionary specialties, like Seabees and Navy divers, are exceedingly low.
Out of an end strength of 1,153, there are only seven female Navy divers — just .61 percent of the force. And there are only 10 women in the Explosive Ordnance Disposal community of the 1,094 total enlisted sailors.
EOD officers fill billets at EOD and fleet diver commands — billets that have also been open to women for decades — but less than 3 percent of those billets are held by women.
Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Jon Greenert discusses the possibility of women becoming Navy SEALs. video here ---> http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2015/08/18/women-seals-greenert-losey-buds/31943243/
mark46th
08-18-2015, 21:00
I wonder how many admirals will be in the cadre to make sure the women make it through...
I wonder how many admirals will be in the cadre to make sure the women make it through...
Or how many body bags will be filled in the interest of "equal opportunity".
What our leaders fail to understand as a result of drinking the proverbial Kool Aid is that "standards" are only the beginning. By ruining the dynamic on small scale teams, you endanger the survivability of the team. Having served on teams on A type males and B type males, I have seen the devastation that can occur as a result of having to pay more attention to everyone's feelings versus worrying about how you can kill shit.
Granted, killing shit may not always be the mission, but having that mentality across the board certainly makes for an extremely prepared and lethal team, regardless of the mission.
Dear Brass, You are all sellouts and I hope you rot in hell.
You would think that at least one person would have the balls to fall on the sword in an attempt to preserve the historic brotherhoods that have defended this nation time and time again.
I guess it is much easier to pander to the feminist/obama agenda these days. Just like it is easier to steal things versus earning them..............which still doesn't make them right.
Even my own mother, as a bleeding heart liberal agrees with the majority of us on this one. However she sees the "bigger picture" and refuses to contact any public representative and voice her dissent. I personally feel that this is because she is willing to sacrifice certain concessions in order to achieve what she feels is right.............or should i say...........Left.
UWOA (RIP)
08-19-2015, 09:25
Look at it this way, they can always use the Trident as a field expedient tampon!
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Team Sergeant
08-19-2015, 09:56
You do realize that "EVERY" television show I watch, and "EVERY" movie, women fight better than all the men. Every show.
Must be true. :munchin
This is the new reality. (Well, until real combat meets the American female.)
I'm so glad I'm not part of this liberal socialist "social" experiment.
You do realize that "EVERY" television show I watch, and "EVERY" movie, women fight better than all the men. Every show.
Must be true. :munchin
This is the new reality. (Well, until real combat meets the American female.)
I'm so glad I'm not part of this liberal socialist "social" experiment.
Me toooo
I would have figured they would ask for a waiver...... Guess the head SEAL wants another promotion.:eek:
nousdefions
08-19-2015, 10:17
Could a sister service be miffed at the lack of "news" coverage lately?
Think of the movie deals and hair product endorsements....
Team Sergeant
08-19-2015, 10:54
Hey, maybe job for Cait!
I said "female" not "shemales"...... Jenner is nothing until "he" cuts it off.... until then he's just another "man" that likes to dress like a female.
Please leave it's name out of this.....:rolleyes:
Been that way since the TV show Policewoman.
She could tackle a guy twice her size and have him in a set of handcuffs quicker than you could spit.
Reminds me of the two female NY cops that tried to arrest that guy. Twisted free and ran off.
GratefulCitizen
08-19-2015, 14:57
Just a general observation:
Feminized societies see exclusively male groups as threatening.
That is, provided those exclusively male groups demonstrate competence and in-group loyalty.
Such groups tend to be very effective at imposing their will.
Outside stressors tend to have a Darwinian strengthening effect at large, the only way to truly weaken them is from within.
Haven't yet seen an exclusively female group, regardless of competence, that demonstrate in-group loyalty that comes anywhere close to the in-group loyalty of exclusively male ones.
Call me sexist, but there's just something different in the psychological makeup.
Elite military infantry is the apex of competent exclusively male groups.
If those can be undermined, any male group in the society can be.
Pentagon opens doors for women's role in combat
http://www.fayobserver.com/military/pentagon-opens-doors-for-women-s-role-in-combat/article_d8a1117d-1781-5813-b369-e23bf41e5d70.html
"Based on early talks, officials say the Army, Navy and Air Force likely will not seek exceptions that close any jobs to women. Marine Corps leaders, they say, have expressed concerns about allowing women to serve in infantry jobs and yet may seek an exception.
The services are wrapping up reviews and must make their recommendations to Defense Secretary Ash Carter this fall. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the internal debate.
Even if Marine leaders object, they are likely to meet resistance from senior Navy and Defense Department officials who want the military to be united on this issue..."
Pentagon opens doors for women's role in combat
http://www.fayobserver.com/military/pentagon-opens-doors-for-women-s-role-in-combat/article_d8a1117d-1781-5813-b369-e23bf41e5d70.html
"Based on early talks, officials say the Army, Navy and Air Force likely will not seek exceptions that close any jobs to women. Marine Corps leaders, they say, have expressed concerns about allowing women to serve in infantry jobs and yet may seek an exception.
The services are wrapping up reviews and must make their recommendations to Defense Secretary Ash Carter this fall. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the internal debate.
Even if Marine leaders object, they are likely to meet resistance from senior Navy and Defense Department officials who want the military to be united on this issue..."
That is not a rumor. That is a fact.
We will NOT be requesting a waiver.
I am guessing that it is due to the threat of further funding cuts.
Spineless cowards.
The Reaper
08-19-2015, 15:53
I hope all of the assholes pushing for this (and those who are protecting their careers) are satisfied and proud of themselves when the teams are incapable of completing a mission and the body bags with their daughters start coming home.
TR
But, but, but I saw in the movies that 120lb women can take on trained male assassins!
Chairborne64
08-19-2015, 17:51
It is sad that you have to hope that the Marines come through at this point. They are putting up resistance to this insanity. The only saving grace is that the incoming chairman, Dunford, is the only one showing a spine right now.
frostfire
08-19-2015, 19:11
Haven't yet seen an exclusively female group, regardless of competence, that demonstrate in-group loyalty that comes anywhere close to the in-group loyalty of exclusively male ones.
Call me sexist, but there's just something different in the psychological makeup.
I have a group of sassy, multiple-divorced, fierce, extremely-competent, type-A, female ER nurses for you to do a comparative study on:D
I have a group of sassy, multiple-divorced, fierce, extremely-competent, type-A, female ER nurses for you to do a comparative study on:D
I'm an RN. Working with a group of female nurses is like watching Mean Girls every shift.
GratefulCitizen
08-19-2015, 20:29
I have a group of sassy, multiple-divorced, fierce, extremely-competent, type-A, female ER nurses for you to do a comparative study on:D
Out-group hostility isn't the same thing as in-group loyalty.
Send one young, good-looking SF soldier to them with the mission of breaking their unit cohesion and see how long they last.
You could send him with absolutely no weapons, gear, or clothes even; and their in-group loyalty would disintegrate.
I hope all of the assholes pushing for this (and those who are protecting their careers) are satisfied and proud of themselves when the teams are incapable of completing a mission and the body bags with their daughters start coming home.
TR
Im guessing that then they will just blame us for "letting" that happen. And then write books about how they were against it from the start.
Team Sergeant
08-20-2015, 08:52
I cannot wait for the youtube videos of the female screams every time a door is breeched or a grenade goes off.
Wait until ISIS (sunni muslims) get ahold of a female "combat" soldier..... or dozens of them....... :munchin
A GOP controlled senate, a GOP controlled house and America is under the complete control of the liberals. And we all know liberals don't fight, they do vote however.
Nothing is going to change for the better anytime soon.
frostfire
08-20-2015, 23:22
I cannot wait for the youtube videos of the female screams every time a door is breeched or a grenade goes off..
Might not be so bad if it's a guttural cry :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijs5SCnZkxc
Been that way since the TV show Policewoman.
She could tackle a guy twice her size and have him in a set of handcuffs quicker than you could spit.
Well, Emma Peel and Honey West were 1965, so Angie Dickinson's Pepper Anderson was late to the game. ;)
Pat
Well, Emma Peel and Honey West were 1965, so Angie Dickinson's Pepper Anderson was late to the game. ;)
Pat
We must be about the same vintage because those are the three names that came to my mind. Those were the days. :o
Just got done talking to one of the navy special warfare mentors (Retired SEAL of 24 years) about this the other day, as well as a few buddys who are in training at Great Lakes and Coronado, they all said they had the first female go through the pipeline recently and she didn't even make it out to BUD/S. Matter of fact she didn't even make it past the second morning of Pre-BUD/s in Great Lakes. She was medically dropped for 2 herniated disk and a dislocated shoulder... but hey, equality right? :lifter
now they haven't been able to find a single chick for over a year...
You do realize that "EVERY" television show I watch, and "EVERY" movie, women fight better than all the men. Every show.
Must be true. :munchin
I have to catch them after they stop shaving their armpits.. LMAO :D
bblhead672
08-08-2017, 12:38
First Female SEAL candidate quits (http://sealgrinderpt.com/news/first-female-seal-candidate-quits.html/)
Found this link posted on former SEAL and author Matt Bracken's FB page. Can't locate any other source, although there are seemingly hundreds of stories about her starting training.
The link is no more??
Wow, that was fast! Pretty sure it was there this morning. Apparently one made it to SOAS but voluntarily dropped.
Badger52
08-08-2017, 19:40
Maybe it was fake news. (The link above is not Bracken's FB page, btw.)
Or... perhaps HuffPo hired Guccifer 3.0 to purge it from the net as hate-speech.
:munchin
Here is the first line of the now-deleted article (still visible in a search):
On August 2, 2017, the first female to gain entry into the SEAL Officer Assessment and Selection program (SOAS) voluntarily quit.
UPDATE: The article is back, and a number of other news outlets are reporting it as well. A search on "female SEAL candidate" brings up a number of them now.
bblhead672
08-16-2017, 09:26
Candidate to be first female Navy SEAL officer quits after a week: report (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/candidate-to-be-first-female-navy-seal-officer-quits-after-a-week-report/article/2631205)
First female Navy SEAL candidate drops out (https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/08/11/first-female-navy-seal-candidate-drops-out.html)
Various sources now confirming she dropped out.