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I have an Element 2 and Silencerco Omega in jail awaiting tax stamp and now I'm looking at a 45/9mm can.
BUT, before I pick a can, I need a pistol. I have a hole in my gun case when it comes to larger cal pistols for a can. The two 45's are 20yrs models and NOBODY ever made a threaded barrel. My P938 seems to be to small and not threaded.
That leaves me with a G23 in 40cal.
Before I go looking for a glock threaded barrel, probably in 9mm.
What does the hive like in the way of a 45 or 9mm base pistol for cans???
Team Sergeant
07-10-2015, 12:41
What Pistol for Suppression??
Kind of depends on who you wish to suppress? :munchin
What Pistol for Suppression??
Kind of depends on who you wish to suppress? :munchin
All of the anti-Jade Helm crowd :D
For threaded pistol barrels look here:
www.springerprecision.com
http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Default.aspx?PAGE=Main%20Page
http://www.barsto.com/
and for TS: http://hk-usa.com/product/pistols/
Team Sergeant
07-10-2015, 14:21
All of the anti-Jade Helm crowd :D
The Green Berets have that covered......:munchin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04kPpKpe4W4
UWOA (RIP)
07-10-2015, 14:59
I seem to remember, back in the late 70's, when the suppressed Remington Hi-Standard .25 caliber automatic was all the rage ... at least in a certain 'periodical' ....
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The Green Berets have that covered......:munchin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04kPpKpe4W4
So, do they make a suppressor(s) for that? :munchin
longrange1947
07-10-2015, 16:44
Get an old colt woodsman and have a good smith reset front sights and buy low velocity 22 ammo. The weapon will not function as a semi but rather as a single shot that has to be manually recycled.
Revolvers cannot be suppressed, and fully functioning semis cannot as the escaping gasses from the cycling will cause noise problems. Some delayed blow back ones will though. However you are then using full pressed ammo and that also causes problems at pistol ranges.
Alternative is the suppressed Hi Standard.
Not what you wanted was it. :munchin
Get an old colt woodsman and have a good smith reset front sights and buy low velocity 22 ammo. The weapon will not function as a semi but rather as a single shot that has to be manually recycled.
Revolvers cannot be suppressed, and fully functioning semis cannot as the escaping gasses from the cycling will cause noise problems. Some delayed blow back ones will though. However you are then using full pressed ammo and that also causes problems at pistol ranges.
Alternative is the suppressed Hi Standard.
Not what you wanted was it. :munchin
Actually, that follows with what I was thinking,, But as far as 22lr, I'm covered. I have a Ruger 22/25 light and S&W Walther ppk. These aren't mine but look the same. I replaced the rear sight with a Burris FastFire, instead of a rail mount.
I'm looking for a 9mm or 45. If I keep to std loads, under 1100 FPS, I think I'm hearing safe. Most of the good cans are rated in the 130-135 db range? Right now I'm liking the Silencerco Osprey 45 (low to the line of sight) or AAC'c ti-rant 45 (it can be disassembled)
For starters, I'll convert my G23 to G19 and TRY to sell off the 45's that can't be converted,, at a fair price..
:munchin
have_gun
07-10-2015, 18:25
I have a Silencerco Octane 45 hosted on a HK USP Tactical that comes with threaded barrel and high profile sights. You can obtain a 9mm end cap from the Silencer Shop for $60 shipped for an extra few dB of suppression on the smaller caliber hosts.
Guymullins
07-11-2015, 00:26
Get an old colt woodsman and have a good smith reset front sights and buy low velocity 22 ammo. The weapon will not function as a semi but rather as a single shot that has to be manually recycled.
Revolvers cannot be suppressed, and fully functioning semis cannot as the escaping gasses from the cycling will cause noise problems. Some delayed blow back ones will though. However you are then using full pressed ammo and that also causes problems at pistol ranges.
Alternative is the suppressed Hi Standard.
Not what you wanted was it. :munchin
There is a revolver that can be successfully suppressed. The Nagant, designed by the Belgian gunmaker who also collaborated in the design of the Moisin-Nagant rifle used by the Russians for many years. The revolver has a clever gas seal and was used in a silenced form by the KGB for many decades. I understand these revolvers were readily available in the US as cheap surplus guns. I imagine that the special ammo may be difficult to find.
There is a revolver that can be successfully suppressed. The Nagant, designed by the Belgian gunmaker who also collaborated in the design of the Moisin-Nagant rifle used by the Russians for many years. The revolver has a clever gas seal and was used in a silenced form by the KGB for many decades. I understand these revolvers were readily available in the US as cheap surplus guns. I imagine that the special ammo may be difficult to find.
The Nagant 1895 goes back to the black powder days..
That pre-dates even me..
I'm not that old.. :D
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/03/foghorn/gun-review-nagant-m1895-revolver/
If I was looking in that direction, I'd find a Russian PZAM.
http://world.guns.ru/ammunition/russian-special-cartridges-e.html
Team Sergeant
07-11-2015, 08:06
Revolvers cannot be suppressed, and fully functioning semis cannot as the escaping gasses from the cycling will cause noise problems. :munchin
I thought so too until I fired one that shot a .30 bullet and you could only hear the hammer drop........ that said drop it in the sand and it would probably not function afterwards. ;)
longrange1947
07-11-2015, 10:40
Actually there is a Russian early 20th Century revolver that as it moves to full battery, as the trigger is squeezed, the cylinder is forced into a second forcing cone and totally seals the cylinder/barrel. It has been suppressed by some of the Soviet "units".
The match between cylinder and barrel has to be perfect or the escaping gasses are loud enough to negate the suppressor.
At lest that has been my experience. I am always up for learning new stuff. :lifter
Well crap, just read up from here and saw that Guy had already brought that up. Could not remember if the revolver was a Nagant or not and he answered that one as well. Also Guy is correct, it is the brass then is forced by expansion into the forcing cone sealing the gasses into the barrel.
I've got an AAC Ti-Rant in 45. I've used it with a .45 1911 and a .45 XDM. Shooting indoors, the report is still uncomfortably loud on unprotected ears. However, if I wet the suppressor down with water (and drain out the excess) both pistols were very quiet for about 15 rounds or so. The ability to take the suppressor apart and clean it is a definite plus as it gets pretty dirty shooting wet.
I've also used this can with my 300 Blackout (with subsonic loads) and a 9 mm AR carbine (with 147 grain subsonic loads) and had very good suppression.
Nothing beats my 22 suppressed pistol with subsonic loads though!
NurseTim
07-12-2015, 00:28
Get an old colt woodsman and have a good smith reset front sights and buy low velocity 22 ammo. The weapon will not function as a semi but rather as a single shot that has to be manually recycled.
Revolvers cannot be suppressed, and fully functioning semis cannot as the escaping gasses from the cycling will cause noise problems. Some delayed blow back ones will though. However you are then using full pressed ammo and that also causes problems at pistol ranges.
Alternative is the suppressed Hi Standard.
Not what you wanted was it. :munchin
No so fast professor. Marked pogue's evidence A: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UKoCIeqVHIY
Better looking than the goober I saw first, enjoy.:D
Better looking than the goober I saw first, enjoy.:D
Agreed, I didn't know the Nagant was that cute.. :D
Found a Nagant test with the 9mm & 45 Osprey can.
Not bad results,, but not worth chasing..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GStcHyGQwcQ
Still looking..
Any opines on the FN FNX Tactical ???
I have always loved the 1911 SA trigger, but realize SA/DA is here to stay..
15rd mag
slide re-leaved for fastfire type optic
changeable grip + lanyard loop
Tactical Cool Tan
33oz empty
DA/SA
ambi controls
Replaceable slide rails
MIL-STD 1913 mounting rail
Raised night sights for suppressor use
FN FNX site (http://www.fnhusa.com/l/products/handguns/fnx-series/fnx-45-tactical/)
UWOA (RIP)
08-05-2015, 09:19
I thought so too until I fired one that shot a .30 bullet and you could only hear the hammer drop........ that said drop it in the sand and it would probably not function afterwards. ;)
Top,
Why do you drop your weapon in the sand? Is there something I should know?
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Update:
In looking for a new base for my next suppressor purchase, I visited several LSG' and a couple gun shows.
I have fondled the full size HK , SIG, and 1911, 9MM & 45ACP offerings (5+ inch barrel). I also fondled the SIG Carry size or 1911 Commander (4+- inch barrel)
Observations:
1)hi-cap fat grips just don't feel good, I get the feeling the pistol will twist left or right in recoil. I feel more comfortable with single stack.
2) 9 mm vs 45 ACP, The 45ACP wins hands down. It is sub-sonic by default. The 9MM gets less effect with sub-sonic loads.
3)Brands? I much prefer alloy frames over plastic. SIG wins (PS: I did not even look at glock)
4)SA or DA or DOA or SAO. My preference is SA, but I tried the SIG DA/SA with the SRT (short reset trigger),, it's very nice. I am also impressed with the SIG DA (9-10lbs) and SA (5-6lbs).
So, I started looking for a SIG P220 Carry, with light rail, SRT, & threaded barrel. I was not impressed with the various sand colors, but for a deal??
This weekend I went to the gun shows in Jacksonville and Palatka. I found a SIG P220R Carry Elite Black, in the box. Looks almost new, dealer display marked "used". It had a couple marks were a light was mounted. The rail on the frame and grip had zero ware, If it was fired it does not show. Best part was the price,,
I did a bunch of checking GunBroker, other retail sites, private sales on public gun fora,, it looked like 750-850USD was the target median price..
650 USD OTD. I think I did good.. :lifter
Checked the serial build date,, April 2007..
The P220 Elite Black was developed for Air Marshals or MARSOC or some other secret squirrel outfit. (C attached pics for specs)
Now I need to find a threaded barrel, or a P220 full size barrel to be threaded.
Do we have anyone that does barrel threading??
longrange1947
09-28-2015, 09:55
Top,
Why do you drop your weapon in the sand? Is there something I should know?
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Back in the early 80s, had some ragnars going through Mott Lake. One dropped his pistol i the sand, by accident, and after he picked it up noted that it was tighter. Thus several dropped theirs in the sand to tighten theirs up as well.
Nope, did not go over well. :D
Team Sergeant
09-28-2015, 11:23
Back in the early 80s, had some ragnars going through Mott Lake. One dropped his pistol i the sand, by accident, and after he picked it up noted that it was tighter. Thus several dropped theirs in the sand to tighten theirs up as well.
Nope, did not go over well. :D
N is for "nowledge"! :rolleyes:
demodude
10-16-2015, 04:04
If you are looking for a can, look watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OznQ-Rb1CC8
John use to work for ACC, now for Sig. If you know silencers, then you should know who he is. The genius troll knows cans! a Sig can is hard to beat.
No need for an outer extra tube, new 360 welding process, 20% more internal volume. Better, quieter, cheaper, best all around can out there!
Sig also has a special program where military (including retired) and LEOs can buy their firearms at an up to 40% discount through certain authorized dealers. I bought a P22 subcompact .40 and a P226 Dark Elite a couple of years ago through the the program. The savings were worth the three month wait. Check their website for details.
http://www.sigsauer.com/LawEnforcement/Le-Mil-Individual-Officer-Program.aspx
Had a chance to get in some range time.
P220R, Fantastic ( c pics) three targets, 50 rnds each, could not be happier. The best was some retail 230 RN (pic T4), 2nd was a box of old mixed RN, TC, LRN, LTC (pic T2) and 3rd a box of LGS 230 LTC reloads (pic T6). Some FTF & FTE on the 1st box. Oiled the rails and the failures stopped. I tend to shot dry guns and this was a break-in run..
This is my 1st DA/SA SIG, it's smooth and the short reset trigger is great. It's not a tuned 1911, but I'm very happy. I did swap the Hogue big rubber grips for a set of SIG slim profile plastic. Fit me better and recoil was not a problem. My friend let me barrow his 1911, I think the SIG had less felt recoil.
I also had a chance to shoot the new can. AAC Element 2 on my PPK/s (pic T5 & T7). the rear sight needs to shift to right a tad, but I'm happy with the group at 30ft. I lucked out the mini-sights on the PPK actually cleared the can.
The black bulls are 1.5 inch and the red 1.25 inch. All shot at 30ft, indoor range.
Great shooting!
If you don't mind me piggy backing on your thread JJ_BPK, would you or any one else here know if there is a SIG P220 variant to the HK Luminova? sights?
I have a P220 and the tritium sights died on me. I would like to replace them with some Luminova sights but have yet to find any.
Great shooting!
If you don't mind me piggy backing on your thread JJ_BPK, would you or any one else here know if there is a SIG P220 variant to the HK Luminova? sights?
I have a P220 and the tritium sights died on me. I would like to replace them with some Luminova sights but have yet to find any.
Not familiar with "luminova" but there are after market sights the are charged, if that is what your asking??
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2343547015/hiviz-rear-sight-sig-sauer-p220-p225-p226-p228-p229-p239-steel-fiber-optic?cm_vc=ProductFinding
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2343197392/hiviz-front-sight-sig-sauer-p220-p225-p226-p228-p229-p239-steel-fiber-optic?cm_vc=ProductFinding
Not a big fan of lit sights, as they tend to upset my night vision, witch is still good.
When the tritium 1/2 life, on mine, dies, I might not bother to replace??
I am also ambivalent about flashlights on a home defense weapon.
YMMV..
Guymullins
10-22-2015, 09:36
Not familiar with "luminova" but there are after market sights the are charged, if that is what your asking??
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2343547015/hiviz-rear-sight-sig-sauer-p220-p225-p226-p228-p229-p239-steel-fiber-optic?cm_vc=ProductFinding
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2343197392/hiviz-front-sight-sig-sauer-p220-p225-p226-p228-p229-p239-steel-fiber-optic?cm_vc=ProductFinding
Not a big fan of lit sights, as they tend to upset my night vision, witch is still good.
When the tritium 1/2 life, on mine, dies, I might not bother to replace??
I am also ambivalent about flashlights on a home defense weapon.
YMMV..
Agreed. Darkness is your friend in your own home. The other parties don't know what the furniture and room layout is and you do.
Not familiar with "luminova" but there are after market sights the are charged, if that is what your asking??
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2343547015/hiviz-rear-sight-sig-sauer-p220-p225-p226-p228-p229-p239-steel-fiber-optic?cm_vc=ProductFinding
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2343197392/hiviz-front-sight-sig-sauer-p220-p225-p226-p228-p229-p239-steel-fiber-optic?cm_vc=ProductFinding
Not a big fan of lit sights, as they tend to upset my night vision, witch is still good.
When the tritium 1/2 life, on mine, dies, I might not bother to replace??
I am also ambivalent about flashlights on a home defense weapon.
YMMV..
I may be using the wrong word.
The HK has 3 dot sights. Each dot is a dimple in the metal of the sight post. Painted on to/(into) the dimple is a material that is white during day light but glows at night. If I hit mine for a quick second with a flashlight they will glow all night at an intensity very close to tritium. HK claims they will last a lifetime. I would really like to get some of these with the magic paint for my SIG.
If not, I will have to order some new tritiums, sadly my night vision is not as good as yours JJ_BPK!