Done Deal or Maybe Not?

[WillofIron97]

If you wish to read my introduction, my backstory is pretty well stated(and possibly overdone) there. I found out that I was permanently disqualified. Is there a way I can resubmit my waiver after a certain amount of time or no? My recruiter said I could just walk in and not say anything about what happened in the past and possibly get in. I don't necessarily believe him but I took his word because we developed a strong personal relationship, outside of a standard recruiter/prospect relationship and still train and hang out together to this day, even though i'm no longer able to join the military. Was he just blowing me smoke because he felt sorry for me or is there truth to this? All of the research i've done is either extremely mixed or doesn't provide the information I need, so, I figured i'd come here.

[BrokenSwitch]

If serving in the military is what you truly want to do, then go and do it. The US government as a whole is notorious for "left-hand-doesn't-talk-to-right-hand" situations, and the military is no different. I was medically disqualified from commissioning via ROTC, but that record only exists within Cadet Command. I could have enlisted, and nobody would have known the difference. I ended up serving in the IDF, but that's not related to this thread.

The website "ThisAintHell.us" is full of examples of people who were disqualified from serving in one branch, so they enlisted in another. Based on your introduction, those people are even less qualified than you, unless you're a criminal (don't answer that here).

Bottom line: If you really want to do something, then do your research, don't let anyone tell you "no", and don't volunteer information that they don't ask for. HIPAA is a wonderful thing-- nobody can get your medical history unless you give them that information.

[The Reaper]

If you lie or omit info from the medical (or security) applications, it will come back to haunt you.

I would say that those who do so reveal serious character flaws and are not the people we are selecting.

Thank you for trying, when so many deny their service to our nation.

TR

[(1VB)compforce]

If you wish to read my introduction, my backstory is pretty well stated(and possibly overdone) there. I found out that I was permanently disqualified. Is there a way I can resubmit my waiver after a certain amount of time or no? My recruiter said I could just walk in and not say anything about what happened in the past and possibly get in. I don't necessarily believe him but I took his word because we developed a strong personal relationship, outside of a standard recruiter/prospect relationship and still train and hang out together to this day, even though i'm no longer able to join the military. Was he just blowing me smoke because he felt sorry for me or is there truth to this? All of the research i've done is either extremely mixed or doesn't provide the information I need, so, I figured i'd come here.

I needed a similar waiver, but my particular condition had passed with time. Even so, I ended up applying annually for a waiver for 5 years before I was finally allowed (back) in. It can be done, it takes perserverance and a lot of work with no guarantee of success (sound familiar?). That said, you only have to take the trip to MEPS once, get rejected and then start the paperwork. Don't lie to MEPS, as TR said, it will bite you. Once you get the waiver, you'll go back to MEPS with that in hand and as long as nothing else causes a rejection, you'll be on your way.

Frankly, given the current troop reductions, I think you have an infinitesimal chance of getting in right now. You'd have a better chance waiting for the next war when they need people fast and drop the standards again. Good luck.

[Scimitar]

Also, it must be noted, that there is a culture in USAREC of grooming applicants before they go to MEPS.

They run you through all off the standard questions in a closed office, and advise you on what to say, and what NOT to say. They are doing this to achieve mission, not for your benefit. Don't fall into the trap.

A wise retired Korean War officer told me this....

Guys treat girls two different ways, and guys treat the Army two different ways...
1) I want to get a leg over, so I'll tell her what ever she wants to hear...or...
2) She's so amazing, I want this to be something serious, so I won't lie at all..

Who wants to be in a relationship where you're continually worried about being discovered, and having to double think everything you say so as to continue to cover your lie.

S

[DJ Urbanovsky]

If you always tell the truth, then you never have to remember what you said. Some wisdom from pops. :)

[Sheep dog]

I don’t know what constitutes a "strong personal relationship" in this situation, but you need to be aware that any personal relationship between a recruiter and recruit is not advisable at best, and punishable under UCMJ at worst. I think the board has effectively covered the matter of integrity and waivers. All I will add is that if you are still a recruit (interested in joining) do your "friend" a favor and don’t tell too many people that yall are buds. It may end his career. One final thought... if this relationship IS a relationship that is addressed on DD form 2983 then there is no gray area... the relationship is simply wrong. Best of luck!

[CryptKeeper]

I don’t know what constitutes a "strong personal relationship" in this situation, but you need to be aware that any personal relationship between a recruiter and recruit is not advisable at best, and punishable under UCMJ at worst. I think the board has effectively covered the matter of integrity and waivers. All I will add is that if you are still a recruit (interested in joining) do your "friend" a favor and don’t tell too many people that yall are buds. It may end his career. One final thought... if this relationship IS a relationship that is addressed on DD form 2983 then there is no gray area... the relationship is simply wrong. Best of luck!

I remember having that form filled out when I was at MEPS last month...

IIRC What it entails is situations such as: Your recruiter invites you over to his house for a sleepover party; Your recruiter takes you out to a bar and buys you liquor; Your recruiter fills out your paperwork for you and maliciously redacts/ modifies crucial information to help you cheat the process; Your recruiter takes the ASVAB for you or provides outside assistance ie. via text; etc.