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WarriorDiplomat
04-12-2015, 12:15
https://youtu.be/zeMZGGQ0ERk pt1
https://youtu.be/AIiJE6kdIBo pt2

Take heed those seeking formal education, educate yourselves on what this is seek knowledge of historical examples not by label but by self education and recognition of causes.

Horrible
04-12-2015, 15:12
I can only speak to my personal experience, but as someone who currently attends one of those "elite education institutions", I can tell you that actual communist sympathies are very low here. The student body leans left, yes, but I cannot name one professor who would actually teach that communism is good for any country. Many have said that certain socialist practices could be adopted and may be beneficial for the country, but none are so radical as to say that we ought to scrap the system and adopt a full-on leftist-authoritarian government.

I think that it's more of a reflection of the views of the country itself, which is leaning a bit more left each year. I highly doubt that this is a result of a deliberate effort on the part of any one group, as that would take a MASSIVE decade-spanning conspiracy. America is a huge country filled with myriad disparate peoples. Opinions change. It's completely natural. The general leftward shift of the country is more likely due to changing demographics and access to information than the influence of shadowy saboteurs. At some point we'll probably swing back to the right a bit, then left again after a few generations.

WarriorDiplomat
04-12-2015, 16:27
I can only speak to my personal experience, but as someone who currently attends one of those "elite education institutions", I can tell you that actual communist sympathies are very low here. The student body leans left, yes, but I cannot name one professor who would actually teach that communism is good for any country. Many have said that certain socialist practices could be adopted and may be beneficial for the country, but none are so radical as to say that we ought to scrap the system and adopt a full-on leftist-authoritarian government.

I think that it's more of a reflection of the views of the country itself, which is leaning a bit more left each year. I highly doubt that this is a result of a deliberate effort on the part of any one group, as that would take a MASSIVE decade-spanning conspiracy. America is a huge country filled with myriad disparate peoples. Opinions change. It's completely natural. The general leftward shift of the country is more likely due to changing demographics and access to information than the influence of shadowy saboteurs. At some point we'll probably swing back to the right a bit, then left again after a few generations.

I think if you listen to the videos again and read your response to what he said you would see you are proving his revelation as accurate.

WarriorDiplomat
04-12-2015, 16:31
I can only speak to my personal experience, but as someone who currently attends one of those "elite education institutions", I can tell you that actual communist sympathies are very low here. The student body leans left, yes, but I cannot name one professor who would actually teach that communism is good for any country. Many have said that certain socialist practices could be adopted and may be beneficial for the country, but none are so radical as to say that we ought to scrap the system and adopt a full-on leftist-authoritarian government.

I think that it's more of a reflection of the views of the country itself, which is leaning a bit more left each year. I highly doubt that this is a result of a deliberate effort on the part of any one group, as that would take a MASSIVE decade-spanning conspiracy. America is a huge country filled with myriad disparate peoples. Opinions change. It's completely natural. The general leftward shift of the country is more likely due to changing demographics and access to information than the influence of shadowy saboteurs. At some point we'll probably swing back to the right a bit, then left again after a few generations.

Have you any idea of how long most insurgencies take especially when subversion/influence is used as a primary tactic. Influencing a populace thru influential ideologies that contrast the strength of why we are takes generations to fertilize the movement and see it through.

BTW fill out your public profile as you were no doubt instructed to do.

Richard
04-12-2015, 18:25
That was my era, and 1980's John Bircher apocalyptic warnings supported by a supposed defector disinformation specialist of a defunct government worry me little today, and IMO provides a strong argument for the value of higher education in modern Western Society as opposed to some implied POV that educators are seeking to undermine our society and that education is something to be feared.

However, YMMV but so it goes...

Richard

Jakedeep
04-12-2015, 18:38
As someone who currently attends one of those "elite education institutions", I can tell you that actual communist sympathies are very low here...but [no professors] are so radical as to say that we ought to scrap the system and adopt a full-on leftist-authoritarian government.

WD's point - not that I am all hooah! for the video, but the message is that it isn't necessarily so flagrant a process. Decades you say - Doc referenced a good example. You did mention the shift being caused by a 'changing demographic' (I'll give you that) and 'access to information' (also a good argument) but something to consider - what is the validity of this 'information' that we have access to? Colleges have financial incentive to promote leftist agendas (Federal Funding Federal Funding Federal Funding) and because of that colleges have become so liberal that it has now gotten to the point where being a conservative on a campus is worse than being homosexual in Salt Lake City during the 80's. That means partisan influences on our youth who then hardly hear any opposing viewpoints that challenge "their" opinions that they have been gulled into.

Speaking of SLC, I'm sure if you go to the University of Utah or something you will be less likely to experience that full out Alinksy-wannabe who happens to have some letters behind his name teaching your POL1010 class, but I've had two such professors when I was in New Orleans and my grades reflected that. :rolleyes:

I will agree with Richard that the higher education has value in and of itself, and education IS NEVER something to be feared; however, that does not mean we should not keep our skepticism hats on and our bullshit cards ready at all times and we shouldn't have to be afraid of exercising our 1st Amendment right to say something that disagrees with our peers and professors on a campus.

Jake

WarriorDiplomat
04-13-2015, 05:21
It is key to remember the normalization process words like communism are seen as a thing of the past and have little impact today. Socialism has become almost a positive concept in today's age of social agendas such as welfare though the correlation is sometimes construed with a right. We have unwittingly voted in socialized healthcare law crafted by the educated elite. The minority has taken leverage over the whole through social media perceiving social injustice to blacks as isolated prejudices of the system.

Being educated is fine as I too have sought higher formal education but I am of the thought that self education is paramount to understanding the environment we are effecting. Formal institutional education does become the glue the binds the country together with a loose set of common understanding of society goals intended to evolve through academia.It also produces the influential leaders of the future.

With the modern attitude of the populace that voting no longer matters. not understanding the electoral college wondering what the popular vote means if a candidate wins the majority but loses the election. Who decided to include the popular vote in the age of televised elections to pander to the under-educated population? the tactic itself is subversive in nature that contrasts our system of representative governance.

Are we actually an Oligarchy? tell me a blue collar working class could be president without personal wealth and social influence from powerful allies?

dennisw
04-13-2015, 08:07
That was my era, and 1980's John Bircher apocalyptic warnings supported by a supposed defector disinformation specialist of a defunct government worry me little today, and IMO provides a strong argument for the value of higher education in modern Western Society as opposed to some implied POV that educators are seeking to undermine our society and that education is something to be feared.

However, YMMV but so it goes...

Richard

Is there a concerted effort to suppress one political view on college campuses? Kimberley A. Strassel appears to believe there is. Apparently certain congressman feel the need to get involved attempting to censure certain professors who have the gaul to teach a conservative viewpoint.

The Campus Climate Crusade By KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL
Liberal groups are out to sully the names of conservative professors and shut down programs funded by the Koch foundation. http://www.wsj.com/articles/kimberley-strassel-the-campus-climate-crusade-1427411529?KEYWORDS=unkoch

Conservative thought on campus these days is rare, though for some it’s still not rare enough. Witness the growing campaign by politicians, unions and environmentalists to intimidate into silence any academic or program that might challenge liberal ideology.

Congressional Democrats have grabbed most of the attention here, with their recent attempt to cow climate skeptics. Richard Lindzen, an emeritus professor of meteorology at MIT and a Cato Institute scholar, earlier this month described in these pages how House Rep. Raul Grijalva was targeting seven academics skeptical of President Obama’s climate policies, demanding documents about their funding and connections. A trio of Senate Democrats is working to muzzle more than 100 nonprofits and companies that have questioned the climate agenda, with a fishing expedition into their correspondence.

Largely unnoticed is that the congressional climate crusaders didn’t come up with this idea on their own. For several years a coalition of liberal organizations have been using “disclosure” to sully the names of conservative professors and try to shut down their programs. Their particular targets are academics who benefit from funding from the Koch Foundation, which has for decades funded free-market professors and groups on U.S. campuses.....


Apparently the only kind of thought not allowed is that which might “undermine,” according to UnKochMyCampus, “environmental protection, worker’s rights, health care expansion, and quality public education.” Stopping such research is the mission of this organization, which is spearheaded by Greenpeace, Forecast the Facts (a green outfit focused on climate change), and the American Federation of Teachers.

The group’s website directs student activists to a list of universities to which Koch foundations have given money, and provides a “campus organization guide” with instructions for how to “expose and undermine” any college thought that works against “progressive values.” Students are directed to first recruit “trusted allies and informants” (including liberal faculty, students and alumni) and then are given a step-by-step guide on hounding universities and targeted professors with demands for records disclosure and with Freedom of Information Act requests.The AFT and the National Education Association devoted nearly a full day at a conference this month to training students on the “necessary skills to investigate and expose” any “influence” the Kochs have at universities.

This week Michigan State University released documents to student activists who had targeted political-theory professor Ross Emmett, director of the Michigan Center for Innovation and Economic Prosperity. "]His crime? Using Koch grant money to fund a reading group, called the Koch Scholars, that brings together students to discuss competing political economy ideas. The first two weeks were devoted to Marx, though the activists apparently couldn’t tolerate an equal discussion of capitalism.

Richard
04-13-2015, 08:31
...recent attempt to cow climate skeptics...

Ah...science, money, egos, and politics - Galileo Galilei could tell us all about how that works. ;)

But back to 'communism'...

At the 'End of History' Still Stands Democracy

Twenty-five years after Tiananmen Square and the Berlin Wall's fall, liberal democracy still has no real competitors.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/at-the-end-of-history-still-stands-democracy-1402080661

The process is evolutionary and takes time, and it may not evolve into the democratically constituted federalist republic we have come to know (or imagine we know) and support today.

Richard