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Team Sergeant
03-26-2015, 06:34
So,
Iran is now backing the rebels in Yemen (shiite I'm sure) and attacking ISIS (sunnis) in Iraq. The USA is backing the muslim brotherhood sunnis in Syria who are fighting the Syrian shia government. Kurds are fighting the ISIS sunnis and the Turks (sunni) would like to kill all the Kurds (shia/Iranian). Saudis (sunni) are attacking the shia rebels in Yemen while secretly funding the sunnis in Iraq, Syria and probably Boko Haram (sunni) in Africa.
I'm sure Iran would like to attack Saudi Arabia but it's backed by the US.
And now the USA is supporting Iranian ground troops in Iraq with air strikes.
And the muslim in the White House is easing nuclear sanctions against Iran. What better time for Iran to invent a nuclear weapon and employ it.
All the while Israelis are quietly having a coke.
I don't know how you did it but well done Israel..... ;)
Streck-Fu
03-26-2015, 06:54
Why does it feel as though the US is giving Yemen to the Iranian backed rebels and playing dead on Iran's nukes in exchange for Iran to fight ISIL(S)?
Old Dog New Trick
03-26-2015, 07:14
Good summery TS but, this, "my brother's enemy is my enemy," stuff will only go so far to appease the rulers of each kingdom. They will all gladly turn on us and Israel and any other Christian loving (read infidels) country in a nano-second if given the chance.
Someone is playing UW rather well and I assure you it's not the WH.
...well, I just know that my fucking gas tank ain't getting any cheaper to fill.
Team Sergeant
03-26-2015, 08:28
Why does it feel as though the US is giving Yemen to the Iranian backed rebels and playing dead on Iran's nukes in exchange for Iran to fight ISIL(S)?
You don't know the Iranians, they will fight sunnis anywhere they can find them. And they are the very reason we did not destroy the Iraqi war machine in 1991. Had we destroyed every Iraqi piece of equipment we would have caused a power vacuum leaving Iran (shiites) in power. The Saudis would have wet their pants had this happened.
As I said Saudis do not fight, but they do support with money and you can count on them supporting every/any sunni tribe in the world. They know they are safe as the American bases are located in their back yard. They hate Americans, yes, hate us but fear the shittes more.
And I know that the majority of Iraq is shiite but the Iraqi sunnis are brutal people and have held power in Iraq for centuries. Hence the constant fighting between Iran and Iraq.
Remove all the tribal "titles" and the islamic war boils down to two islamic tribes, shia and sunni. It's kinda like watching a chicken fight, neither want to fight each other but arm them and put them in close proximity and you'll have a fight.
The only thing stopping them from annihilating each other is geography and 6 billion infidels. That said they are currently working hard on killing each other and that's the way the Western world likes it, an unstable Middle East. That's the only time they leave the infidels alone is when they are busy killing each other.
And the good ole USA is backing both sides as we have done for decades. Probably a good approach overall. Keeps the balance. That said I think the sunnis have the upper hand with the muslim in the White House also backing the sunnis.
Should be an interesting next ten years.........
Old Dog New Trick
03-26-2015, 08:36
Should be an interesting next ten years.........
Indeed. :munchin
Streck-Fu
03-26-2015, 08:54
I am familiar with the Sunni/Shitte differences among Iran-Iraq-Saudi and fully admit that I get cloudy outside that region.
Combining this administration's playing both sides seems to get more curious with his dealings regarding Israel. With the release of the Israeli nuclear secrets, he seems to be driving toward a full war in the ME. ....
Team Sergeant
03-26-2015, 08:58
I am familiar with the Sunni/Shitte differences among Iran-Iraq-Saudi and fully admit that I get cloudy outside that region.
Combining this administration's playing both sides seems to get more curious with his dealings regarding Israel. With the release of the Israeli nuclear secrets, he seems to be driving toward a full war in the ME. ....
You don't think bowing to the Saudi king was not an indicator of what's to come?
"The President of the United States Barack Obama greets King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia."
Streck-Fu
03-26-2015, 09:37
You don't think bowing to the Saudi king was not an indicator of what's to come?
It definitely indicated submission....but not necessarily war...
Iran is now backing the rebels in Yemen
Maybe that is why the White House is sticking to its guns in using Yemen as a success story.
Team Sergeant
03-26-2015, 11:02
Oh this is just getting better and better......... we're starting a full scale sunni-shiite war......
Middle East
Saudi-led forces strike rebel bases in Yemen as Iran warns of 'dangerous step'
Published March 26, 2015
·FoxNews.com
A coalition of Arab nations led by Saudi Arabia launched airstrikes against military bases held by Shiite Houthi rebels in Yemen early Thursday, as Iran warned that Riyadh was taking a "dangerous step."
The statement Thursday from Tehran's Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Marzieh Afkham did not name Saudi Arabia but called the airstrikes an "invasion." The statement went on to claim that the campaign would worsen the already deteriorating security situation in Yemen.
Saudi-owned Al-Arabiya News reported that the kingdom had deployed 100 fighter jets, 150,000 soldiers and other navy units. News footage of the strikes aired by Saudi-owned Al-Hadath TV showed flashing lights and what sounded like machine gun fire.
Some of the strikes hit positions in Yemen's capital, Sanaa. In response, the Houthis, were calling on their supporters to protest in the city's streets on Thursday afternoon, Yemen's Houthi-controlled state news agency SABA reported.
The airstrikes were announced in a rare news conference late Wednesday, Eastern Time, by Saudi ambassador to the U.S. Adel al-Jubeir, who said the Saudis "will do anything necessary" to protect the people of Yemen and "the legitimate government of Yemen." Al-Jubeir said his government had consulted closely with the U.S. and other allies but that the U.S. military was not involved in the operations.
Later Wednesday, National Security Council spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan said that President Obama had authorized the provision of logistical and intelligence support to the military operations She added that while U.S. forces were not taking direct military action in Yemen, Washington was establishing a Joint Planning Cell with Saudi Arabia to coordinate U.S. military and intelligence support.
The Saudi Press Agency published a statement by the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Qatar and Bahrain saying they would answer a request from Yemen President Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi "to protect Yemen and his dear people from the aggression of the Houthi militias which were and are still a tool in the hands of foreign powers that don't stop meddling with the security and stability of brotherly Yemen." Oman, the sixth member of the Gulf Cooperation Council, didn't sign onto the statement.
Cont:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/26/saudi-led-forces-strike-rebel-bases-in-yemen-as-iran-warns-dangerous-step/
Surf n Turf
03-26-2015, 18:24
Looks like Turkey is "fixin" to get mad at Iran, and warning them not to interfere with Erdogan's plans for a Turkish Caliphite. If Russia does not step in, look for Turkey to fill the vacuum -- Erdogan has plans.
SnT
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Thursday lashed out at Iran, accusing it of trying to dominate the Middle East and saying its efforts have begun annoying Ankara.
"Iran is trying to dominate the region," said Erdogan, who is due to visit Tehran in early April, according to Reuters.
"Could this be allowed? This has begun annoying us, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf countries. This is really not tolerable and Iran has to see this," he added in a press conference.
Erdogan said the conflict has evolved into a sectarian one and urged Iran to withdraw. "Iran has to change its view. It has to withdraw any forces, whatever it has in Yemen, as well as Syria and Iraq and respect their territorial integrity,"
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/193254#.VRScEk05By0
I'm confused. Is BO sunni or shia? :confused:
Pat
He's the messiah get it straight.
D'oh! TS is right, can't tell the players without a program. ;)
Wait. Is he the 12th Imam? :confused:
Pat
Wait. Is he the 12th Imam? :confused:
Pat
If that be the case, then that would make him a Shiite, and seeing that his "Senior Advisor", The Whore of Babylon (aka Valerie Jarrett) is Iranian by birth, and IS the one pulling his strings and making policy, it would seem to fit.
But, seeing that he DID bow to the King of Saudi Arabia, who is Sunni, and is also backing the Sunnis in Syria and Northern Iraq (ISIS), it's tough to say just which team he's playing for.
But, if he IS the 12th Imam, then his doing the above actions, and from what is told would/will be happening in the M.E., it would tend to lean him more towards the Shiite camp.
I would say that in a matter like this, Occam's Razor would come into effect ....
I would still like to get a program to tell who is who. :munchin
I would still like to get a program to tell who is who. :munchin
Satan? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Qfbrc1jdo)
Pat
Team Sergeant
03-28-2015, 09:25
I'm confused. Is BO sunni or shia? :confused:
Pat
sunni
Only a sunni would bow to a Saudi king.
And the USA is now assisting the house of Saud in bombing the shiites in Yemen. My guess is that the Saudis have wet their pants so much while flying their fighter jets that they have rendered then inoperable.
My guess is that the Saudis have wet their pants so much while flying their fighter jets that they have rendered then inoperable.
:eek: TS, your foresight is AMAZING !!!! :eek:
"Mechanical Problems." :rolleyes:
U.S. Rescues Two Saudi Fighter Pilots After Splashdown Near Yemen
The U.S. Air Force and Navy rescued two Saudi pilots Friday after they ejected from their F-15 fighter over the Gulf of Aden during combat operations against Houthi rebels in Yemen.
The Saudi jet apparently suffered some mechanical problem forcing the pilots to eject. A U.S. Air Force Pave Hawk special operations helicopter and crew were dispatched from Djibouti to rescue the Saudi pilots.
Although their conditions are unknown, they were reported to be ambulatory. The Saudi jet and the two pilots went down in international waters. The rescue operation was coordinated by the USS Sterett, a guided-missile destroyer.
The entire operation took two hours. Saudi Arabia Thursday announced it bombed military installations in Yemen to weaken the Shiite rebels who chased the president out of the country.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-rescues-two-saudi-fighter-pilots-after-splashdown-near-n331711
Team Sergeant
03-28-2015, 17:14
:eek: TS, your foresight is AMAZING !!!! :eek:
"Mechanical Problems." :rolleyes:
I'm guessing you've never worked with the Saudis...... ;)
Watch a few Beverly Hillbillies re-runs and think Saudis. Same exact story, different continent. Difference being Jeb and Jethro are actually brave characters, Saudies, not so much. But that's ok, we Americans fight their battles for them.
I was there for the first desert fight, and heard all the stories about the Saudis and their cowardice.
Can you tell me one major battle the Saudis have been in the last one hundred years?
frostfire
03-28-2015, 20:04
They hate Americans, yes, hate us but fear the shittes more.
.....That said I think the sunnis have the upper hand with the muslim in the White House also backing the sunnis.
Well, the Saudi royal family is not very pleased with the current US administration
“For the Kingdom, it is a matter of putting our foot down, where in the past we did not. It is a matter of accepting reality. You have to acknowledge the world has changed. Obama’s speech to the UN last September made it clear that America will be concentrating exclusively on Palestine and Iran, and for everywhere else – Syria, Libya, Sudan, Yemen, Mali, Iraq, Egypt, and so on – you will have to fend for yourself. So whether it is collecting your [Saudi Arabia’s] own resources to do that, or reaching out to others in the area to help you overcome these challenges, we are adjusting to the reality of a retreating America.”
“America is acting like a third world country,” he replies. Then after a pause, he adds: “I watched the Oscars the other night. And I turned to the person next to me and said, ‘You know, this is what America is best at – putting on a parade, crowds of people coming in and cheering and eating popcorn and living a wonderful life. In everyone’s minds, this is what America is about. They live the good life.’ ”
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/9eb2ba0c-a9e0-11e3-adab-00144feab7de.html#axzz3Vjh0DYev
So much for the bowing...
Team Sergeant
03-29-2015, 09:26
Well, the Saudi royal family is not very pleased with the current US administration
So much for the bowing...
The Saudi royal family contains thousands of highly inbreed sunnis.
9/11 was all Saudi sunni muslims and I bet if you follow the money it will lead straight back to the Saudi royal family.
The United States is the only thing stopping the Iranians from taking over the house of Saud, they know it and we know it.
They hate the West, but only when they are in Saudi Arabia, when they are here you can find them at the strip clubs, paying for prostitutes, drinking etc.
The FT.com article was not enlightening.
sunni
Only a sunni would bow to a Saudi king.
Hence, my confusion. The Saudi's don't want Iran to have nukes, but BO seems intent on letting them. There is a third leg of this stool that is missing.
Pat
I'm guessing you've never worked with the Saudis...... ;)
Watch a few Beverly Hillbillies re-runs and think Saudis. Same exact story, different continent. Difference being Jeb and Jethro are actually brave characters, Saudies, not so much. But that's ok, we Americans fight their battles for them.
I was there for the first desert fight, and heard all the stories about the Saudis and their cowardice.
Can you tell me one major battle the Saudis have been in the last one hundred years?
I heard a story from a US teeth arms officer(now physician and very successful businessman) who was advising the Saudi military in the 80's during the Iran-Iraq War.
During a time when the Iranians were advancing and the Iraqis were in big trouble, this US officer suggested to his Saudi counterparts that they run an EX with some wagon mounted ATGMs to teach the Saudis how to exchange space for time, etc.
He said the Saudi officers laughed and said the way it would work is foreigners like him would fight on their behalf if it became truly serious threat to The Saudi royal family.
That ended that. He found it quite enlightening. As did I with hearing the story second hand.