View Full Version : Physical Education in schools in 1960's - #JFKChallenge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fISgKl8dB3M
I seen in the last ten years as my children have gone through Elementary and Middle school of how Physical Education is gone. No longer do we have Elementary Schools with "jungle gyms," pull up bars, "Monkey Bars" or any physical "equipment" at their schools. Today these would be considered "Crossfit" or Strength and Conditioning equipment.
I feel from this video, as propaganda as it is, brings out a point. That the La Sierra High PE program failed because of society views and lost interest over. I feel it wasn't because of a loss of interest. It is or was because of a movement, IMO an insurgency or subversion.
I see it as when EMT's were first coming online. in the 1970's there where no EMT's. Just like another outside of the military today, that is over 50 y/o don't want to see a PA. They want a Doctor. So a Doctor came up with the ideas of trained professionals in the ambulances. So NBC or ABC came in to "educate" the American People on what a EMT came do and provide. America was, as they are today, brainwashed by a TV Show "Emergency!" that show what a EMT would do for people.
I look at kids in the school today and how their schools cut their recess or PE class and how fat our kids have gotten. I thought I'd throw this out for a discussion.
Streck-Fu
03-23-2015, 08:22
At my kids' elementary school, PE is now mostly playing games and is only twice a week. Sure they get to move a little and expend some energy but it is not an every day of the week class of real exercise of active sports that it was when I was in school.
I feel from this video, as propaganda as it is, brings out a point. That the La Sierra High PE program failed because of society views and lost interest over. I feel it wasn't because of a loss of interest. It is or was because of a movement, IMO an insurgency or subversion.
I don't think it was "loss of interest" per say, but more of a liability/CYA issue on the school boards part. When little Johnny or Little Susie slipped and skinned their knee, then went to their teacher in tears, in the old days, the teacher would clean the wound, wipe away the tears and in a "nice" way say "Suck it up", and send them back out.
As time went on, and incidents like this happened, the parents would notice their little "Angel's" festering and gapping wound, and F-R-E-A-K O-U-T !!!!!
"Oh My God !!!!!! ... My Child had been injured !!!!!! .... We must SUE THE SCHOOL FIR LETTING THIS HAPPEN !!!!!!"
As more and more over protective parents got on the band wagon, most of them the type looking to make a "quick buck" and sue someone, the schools and school boards just decided to phase out the PE programs and recess in general. Then that inactivity from the schools carries over after school and kids just get home and "Veg" in front of the TV playing video games. The only body part that gets any exercise now-a-days are their thumbs.
I see it as when EMT's were first coming online. in the 1970's there where no EMT's. Just like another outside of the military today, that is over 50 y/o don't want to see a PA. They want a Doctor. So a Doctor came up with the ideas of trained professionals in the ambulances. So NBC or ABC came in to "educate" the American People on what a EMT came do and provide. America was, as they are today, brainwashed by a TV Show "Emergency!" that show what a EMT would do for people.
Not really gonna comment on this.
The one thing that I will say is ........ KMG-365 :p :lifter
little "Angle's"
The obtuse little devils. ;)
Pat
Team Sergeant
03-23-2015, 11:16
I think this also ties into fat teachers and fat parents wanting (and willing) to drug little Johnny because they themselves cannot keep up with little Johnny.
It's a systemic American problem thanks to the Entitlement Generation, No Responsibility Generation, Forced Tolerance Generation empowered by the liberal/progressive/socialist generation.
Think I'm wrong, just go ahead and tell little Susie she's a fat pig during recess and see what happens....
Mrs. Wilson, your 300lb English teacher, will have your ass in a forced re-education program ASAP. And not only will you apologize to little Susie, you will apologize to everyone on your facebook page, on your twitter account and your instagram account. Then you will be forced to take ADHD drugs.
Think not?
Lionshare
03-23-2015, 11:27
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Ask any educator - it's the perceived lesser importance and value of Physical Education vs national and community STEM educational demands compounded by NCLB mandates, developmentally (age) appropriate practices, and time available in the school day.
Richard
I think this also ties into fat teachers and fat parents wanting (and willing) to drug little Johnny because they themselves cannot keep up with little Johnny.
It's a systemic American problem thanks to the Entitlement Generation, No Responsibility Generation, Forced Tolerance Generation empowered by the liberal/progressive/socialist generation.
Think I'm wrong, just go ahead and tell little Susie she's a fat pig during recess and see what happens....
Mrs. Wilson, your 300lb English teacher, will have your ass in a forced re-education program ASAP. And not only will you apologize to little Susie, you will apologize to everyone on your facebook page, on your twitter account and your instagram account. Then you will be forced to take ADHD drugs.
Think not?
What you are talking about TS is the Effect from the CAUSE of what has happened to our education system and Nation (Society).
Ask any educator - it's the perceived lesser importance and value of Physical Education vs national and community STEM educational demands compounded by NCLB mandates, developmentally (age) appropriate practices, and time available in the school day.
Richard
SO a making of a pussyfied Nation for the last 25 plus years is what you just said in a nut shell IMO.
SO a making of a pussyfied Nation for the last 25 plus years is what you just said in a nut shell IMO.
Not at all - with the growth of and participation in youth team sports of all types over the last several decades, the emphasis for physical education has been gradually moved from being more of a school responsibility to being more of a family/individual responsibility as an extre-curricular activity.
In lieu of schools having daily mandated PE classes for everyone, many schools now focus on academics while recognizing and giving credit to the out-of-school sports activities when verified by recorded logs of the activities and their hours, signed off by the coaches and kept as a part of the school's records.
We allowed it in Texas and I see it being done here, too.
And FWIW, it's not just an American "thing".
Richard
craigepo
03-23-2015, 16:24
Dodgeball. We definitely need more dodgeball.
The obtuse little devils. ;)
Pat
Well done!
We had PE every single day of every school year. Unless it was below freezing it was outside too. And you know what? I think maybe there were 2-4 "overweight" kids in my classes...and I'm not talking obese overweight, just a few pounds.
WarriorDiplomat
03-23-2015, 18:54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fISgKl8dB3M
I seen in the last ten years as my children have gone through Elementary and Middle school of how Physical Education is gone. No longer do we have Elementary Schools with "jungle gyms," pull up bars, "Monkey Bars" or any physical "equipment" at their schools. Today these would be considered "Crossfit" or Strength and Conditioning equipment.
I feel from this video, as propaganda as it is, brings out a point. That the La Sierra High PE program failed because of society views and lost interest over. I feel it wasn't because of a loss of interest. It is or was because of a movement, IMO an insurgency or subversion.
I see it as when EMT's were first coming online. in the 1970's there where no EMT's. Just like another outside of the military today, that is over 50 y/o don't want to see a PA. They want a Doctor. So a Doctor came up with the ideas of trained professionals in the ambulances. So NBC or ABC came in to "educate" the American People on what a EMT came do and provide. America was, as they are today, brainwashed by a TV Show "Emergency!" that show what a EMT would do for people.
I look at kids in the school today and how their schools cut their recess or PE class and how fat our kids have gotten. I thought I'd throw this out for a discussion.
Funny you pointed this out MG, I was working out this evening at the First Health Fitness Center in Pinehurst and tonight I watched a "fitness adviser" maybe 25 y.o. without a single muscle and a tire around his waist bigger than my F250 spare around his waist talking a young guy through exercises (the client actually was fit and toned) on how to bump up his metabolism through exercise to stay fit and trim. I thought I was watching a live version of a comic about bizarro world. Now I saw this "fitness expert" when he was hired a year ago and he is just as flabby and unfit today as the day he was hired, it isn't just him 1 guy and most of the female instructors are extremely fit but the rest of the guys?!?!?!?
What the academics have overlooked since IMHO most academics were not into athletics and fail to understand the importance of athletics, fitness, team sports are to societies social development and growth. "Healthy" competition has always promoted competitiveness amongst peers and feeds the drive and will to succeed and to strive to excel. Physical coordination, learning limitations and discovering their real talents and areas in which they excel allowing natural limitations to be the driving force and letting real talents be discovered and built upon through natural growth and discovery are some of the values of it. I don't disagree with family involvement with physical activities but not education, how can those not educated in fitness and team psychology be able to teach their children these important lessons?. Having coached everyone of my sons sports teams while he was growing up allowed me to witness how left wing people are when it comes to their children, no child left behind apparently applies to sports as well. Academics did their job and no longer need to indoctrinate children on equality now every parent screams for it constantly. Society today is a resulting product of academics influence on it and it hasn't done us any favors.
I'm reading a tremendous disconnect between (1) the frequently posted themes calling for allowing parents to be responsible for their children's upbringing and for reduced government spending at all levels which (when combined with a simultaneous push to emphasize core academics - e.g., STEM) lead to predictable changes (like the de-emphasis on PE staff and classes) and (2) a then seeming willingness to blame kids' level of fitness upon others (academics, political leftists, etc). :confused:
As far as playgrounds go - they are expensive to build and maintain, and inherently an ambulance chaser's dream. However, I saw great playgrounds in use in the schools in Texas and see them out here in NorCal schools...but I'm sure they vary throughout the US as much as any educattional facility, curriculum, community interest and funding, etc goes.
Richard
DIYPatriot
03-24-2015, 08:54
My son is six years old. I'm coaching his baseball team again this year. PE is almost non-existent at his school. Personally, I'm okay with that because I am highly involved in his life and we play all the time after school. At least one day a week, we'll roll a little for at least an hour or so. He loves grappling/bjj. He thinks he's becoming a teenage mutant ninja turtle and I'm okay with that so long as he never attempts to build a fort in the storm drain ever again. We also ride bikes, shoot bb guns, throw football and climb on his treehouse/jungle gym, etc.
Each week, I send an update to the parents on my team explaining to them which topics/techniques we're covering at practice. I give them one or two tips on what to do at home to further improve their child's abilities. Before bed, I checked my messages and boom - my first irate parent of the season. She was pissed because she told me that it was my job, not hers or her husband's to teach her son how to play baseball. Aside from blasting me for trying to tell her how to raise her kid, she went on to say that they don't have time for things like that.
At first, I couldn't believe what I was reading, but then it clicked. Some kids are the trophies and their domestic overseers are the little shits that expect a gold star just for showing up and participating. IME our kids are exactly the product of what they're being taught and most of them are being taught that it is someone else's problem, someone else's job to do something else for them. This is just one example of why I feel that PE is necessary at school. Another reason is that I have friends who are working to make ends meet and simply can't afford the $115 registration fee, the $30-$50 cleats (if you can find them on sale), the glove, baseball bat and other gear that they simply can't afford.
FWIW I feel that it is most important for the parents to guide their kids, enhance the education that is being taught at school and actually be involved in their children's lives than to expect our educators to do the job for them. We also need to remember the kids whose parents consider it a hassle to play ball, ride a bike or simply ask them how their day was (and actually listen to their child's response). Those are the kids that need PE in school and that list is growing.
health and fitness...
When Bloomberg wants to outlaw big sodas, it is because he cares.
When the FLATUS wants to meddle with the school lunch menu its because she cares.
When someone wants that fat little third grader that keeps eating his glue to do some fucking jumping jacks so he don't die of a heart attack before age 40...
...its propaganda.
When someone wants to teach a fat assed little 7th grader how to use a condom its because they care...
When someone wants that same fat assed little 7th grader to stop posting selfies on FaceBook and do some push-ups, it damages his self esteem...
WHAT.THE.FUCK.IS.WRONG.WITH.AMERICA
What exactly is physical education anyway?
-Is it an attempt by the radical, religious, conspiracy riddled, conservative, racist, intolerant right wing of American politics to propagandize our children?
-Is it an attempt by the dope smoking, pinko-commie-rat, tree hugging, LGBT-HIJKLMNOP, anti-consumer, free love, left wing socialist hipsters to indoctrinate our children to the joys of condom use, teen age abortion, and sugar free kool aid?
-Is it a blanket term used to describe a program of instruction that promotes overall physical wellness?
When I was in school way back in the dark ages of American history known as the 1900’s, phys-ed also included 'health' class...
...health, such a familiar, political, word. The kind of word that could be used to launch landmark HEALTH care legislation. The kind of word that could be used to divide a nation, the kind of word that gets thrown around by old politicians that want no part of public health OR public education for that matter, but somehow the same politicians that want our sympathy and understanding because of the thankless hard job they do…
Hey Washington, if you want sympathy, it’s in the dictionary between ‘shit’ and ‘syphilis’
I am not sure I can buy into the idea that the STEM Act and the No Child Left Behind hoax are completely responsible for our nations education woes.
S- is for science. Isn't physical education a science? If all we are talking about is 15 minutes of PE set aside each day so that the big kids can hit the little kids in the face with a dodge ball then fuck it... who cares. THAT isn't what PE should be about. Physical Education should be a little more educational than just figuring out which kid cries first during full contact dodge ball.
On the other hand, beyond just the obvious human physiology that might be taught during a more "academic" approach to PE, how about the very core letters of the STEM Act?
Science:
How much energy is expended while dribbling a basketball?
How does aerodynamics impact the flight of a football?
What is isometric exercise?
What is plyometric exercise?
How does tire inflation impact the difficulty of riding a bike fast?
Technology
How does bat technology impact home-run production?
What if baseballs were dimpled like golf balls?
Can technology develop a ball that will curve more or curve less but still be thrown accurately?
ENGINEERING:
How about discussing the construction methods of the obstacle course being navigated?
Can you build an effective pitching machine from a wheelbarrow-tire and a lawn mower engine?
Can you modify that machine to throw footballs?
Can you modify that machine to throw tennis balls?
MATHMATICS:
What is the ideal angle for banking free throws off of the back board?
What is the ideal release angle of a three point shot?
Can an understanding of geometry improve your puck handling and passing?
How in the hell do you keep score during a bowling tournament?
If our nations "educators" are interested in the long term "health" of our nation then I'd say Phys-ed just might be a little more important than its gets credit for.
Or we could just continue to let Bloomberg and FLATUS feed our kids and prevent them from breaking a sweat on school grounds.
To paraphrase Lewis Black, Academia is to fitness what KFC is to chicken
...as a result gym class can be outsourced because it is the parents responsibility to care for their childs health
Well, except for when they are being taught about condoms or Heathers Two Mommies...
...then the state has no problem stepping in and raising your kids.
The idea that the state should have primacy over my childs health, well being, and education at ANY stage of development is preposterous.
edited to add...
STEM is stupid
NCLB is stupid
...the politicians that didn't let the NCLB die at the five year mark like it should are stupid
...the politicians that are afraid to take a stand because they can't figure out which side of public opinion STEM/NCLB are on: those jackasses are stupid too
BMT (RIP)
03-24-2015, 12:39
You should of been a Drill Sgt in the 60's!
BMT
frostfire
03-24-2015, 16:33
I'm reading a tremendous disconnect between (1) the frequently posted themes calling for allowing parents to be responsible for their children's upbringing and for reduced government spending at all levels which (when combined with a simultaneous push to emphasize core academics - e.g., STEM) lead to predictable changes (like the de-emphasis on PE staff and classes) and (2) a then seeming willingness to blame kids' level of fitness upon others (academics, political leftists, etc). :confused:
As far as playgrounds go - they are expensive to build and maintain, and inherently an ambulance chaser's dream. However, I saw great playgrounds in use in the schools in Texas and see them out here in NorCal schools...but I'm sure they vary throughout the US as much as any educattional facility, curriculum, community interest and funding, etc goes.
Richard
this is spot on, unfortunately.
Also yes, obesity is not just US' problem...even Japan is dealing with it
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2014/06/07/editorials/global-obesity-growing-crisis/
To be fair, some of the population here are set up for failure from day zero. For example. The milk formula from the WIC program is so packed with high fructose corn syrup, I was not surprised when I encountered these 6yo 120lbs with SOB
I strongly believe in the symbiotic effect of sports and academics. When I started the pursuit of marksmanship excellence, master Gene Econ told me to look into the West Point Sports Psychology program. To follow up on what WarriorDiplomat wrote, encountering obstacles in physical activity/sports, and then conquering that hurdle creates an anchor from which a student can derive confidence and tenacity from through academic challenges
WarriorDiplomat
03-24-2015, 18:01
I'm reading a tremendous disconnect between (1) the frequently posted themes calling for allowing parents to be responsible for their children's upbringing and for reduced government spending at all levels which (when combined with a simultaneous push to emphasize core academics - e.g., STEM) lead to predictable changes (like the de-emphasis on PE staff and classes) and (2) a then seeming willingness to blame kids' level of fitness upon others (academics, political leftists, etc). :confused:
Richard
No disconnect the decision to pull P.E. curriculum at a point when the responsibility has been taken over by the state for decades alleviating parental responsibility and then out of the blue drop it back on the parents is the issue.
No disconnect the decision to pull P.E. curriculum at a point when the responsibility has been taken over by the state for decades alleviating parental responsibility and then out of the blue drop it back on the parents is the issue.
Perhaps you should look at the curriculum and the history of its development for each and every one of the individual 50 states and their individual districts, including private parochial and non-parochial as well as charter schools, before offering such a conclusion. Based upon my experiences with both the public and private school sectors, I think you may be surprised by the results of the research.
Richard
I'm reading a tremendous disconnect between (1) the frequently posted themes calling for allowing parents to be responsible for their children's upbringing and for reduced government spending at all levels which (when combined with a simultaneous push to emphasize core academics - e.g., STEM) lead to predictable changes (like the de-emphasis on PE staff and classes) and (2) a then seeming willingness to blame kids' level of fitness upon others (academics, political leftists, etc). :confused:
The disconnect comes from when we get the reminders, toward the end of the school year, to sign up your kids for the summer lunch program, because that may be the only full meal poor little johny gets during the summer, Then I am told that PE is not emphasized at school anymore because academics is more important.
How about when the government pushes some ridiculous curriculum on the school (You know the one designed by the prominent PhDs. that have never taught) and cut out all PE time because the Learning Tempo is so fast that there is no time for it anymore. Then the school expects every child to sit there for 6 hrs and do nothing but listen, read, study. When a child doesnt listen, read, study, they become one of the medicated masses. No wonder ADD/ADHD is so prevalent in school now.
Not seeing this in my school district. My twins are turning 10 next month and ever since they started in school they have had a very organized PE program in school. Working on everything from stacking cups for speed (apparently this is a competive sport) which develops hand eye coordination and distance running which is tracked daily. They receive awards for at the end of the semester in the form of how many miles they ran during the semester. ie: Marathon Club, Double Marathon Club, Triple Marathon club, etc. My boys average a mile or two during each "track day" at PE. Then they also have presentations for the parents where they show off their activities in the gym. The kids will do hula hoop stations, some kind of pushup routine, or trampoline jumping thing. These are not like running an O-course but with small kids the point is that they are keeping them moving and teaching them an active lifestyle.
It shows. When I went to the Christmas Play/sing along/holiday thing last year I rarely noticed a kid that was overweight or obese. Maybe a handful but nowhere near the 30% national average. I would say probably less than 10% with my anectdotal visual study. I just looked up the status reports for the district and the data backs it up.
The States of Texas, Delaware, and Georgia have enrolled to use this program for PE in schools. http://www.fitnessgram.net/program-overview/what-is-fitnessgram You can scroll down and see what it evaluates on this overview link.
This is cut an pasted from the performance improvement plan for the district.
Number are compared to Texas State average.
Physical Fitness (FitnessGram)
Increase the percentage of students achieving the Healthy Fitness Zone 6 times. (Currently 45.8%)
Year ISD / State
2012 45.8% / 33.2%
2011 39.86% / 22.88%
Decrease the percentage of students who are at High Risk for developing
health problems. (Currently 20%)
Year ISD / State
2012 20% / 31.3%
2011 22.88 % / 32.76%
There is a right way to do this stuff. I think we have cracked the code here in our district. We'll see if it keeps trending the right direction. Overall, it still falls on parents to make their kids go outside and climb a damn tree instead of letting them play Minecraft all day. My former USMC father, rest his soul, used to tell me that video games are time wasters and to go find a tree to climb or fort to build or something else constructive. I think there is a balance. We can make smart, physically fit, and well rounded kids. It is a struggle with balancing prepping them for the physical world, the technilogical world, and the social world. But then again, that's what we signed up for when let fly the seeds of our loin.
Respectfully submitted,
Debo
PS- Guess who had one of his twins score highest in the school on the push-up portion of the test. :lifter
Not at all - with the growth of and participation in youth team sports of all types over the last several decades, the emphasis for physical education has been gradually moved from being more of a school responsibility to being more of a family/individual responsibility as an extre-curricular activity.
In lieu of schools having daily mandated PE classes for everyone, many schools now focus on academics while recognizing and giving credit to the out-of-school sports activities when verified by recorded logs of the activities and their hours, signed off by the coaches and kept as a part of the school's records.
We allowed it in Texas and I see it being done here, too.
And FWIW, it's not just an American "thing".
Richard
Richard yes very true. I remember being in Bosnia in 1998 and had a Serb tell me the "America is not the land of the free, It is the LAND OF THE SUEING FREE." I asked him explain and it was basically this in a Serbian viewpoint. Sad when the foreign nationals see the USA for what it is.
I understand the academics side of the house, but then you open out to the BS Common Core Program. Yet school systems will say with Common Core they have gotten way from teaching for the Exam. Which is just utter BS on their side. Most of the teachers I know ALL HATE the Common Core Program and feel the state needs to go away from it. Teachers Associations have even pushed States to drop the programs. But no one listens to parents, test scores, or the educators.
One thing I will say that dropping PE from elementary schools to High Schools is a Very bad idea.
Funny you pointed this out MG, I was working out this evening at the First Health Fitness Center in Pinehurst and tonight I watched a "fitness adviser" maybe 25 y.o. without a single muscle and a tire around his waist bigger than my F250 spare around his waist talking a young guy through exercises (the client actually was fit and toned) on how to bump up his metabolism through exercise to stay fit and trim. I thought I was watching a live version of a comic about bizarro world. Now I saw this "fitness expert" when he was hired a year ago and he is just as flabby and unfit today as the day he was hired, it isn't just him 1 guy and most of the female instructors are extremely fit but the rest of the guys?!?!?!?
What the academics have overlooked since IMHO most academics were not into athletics and fail to understand the importance of athletics, fitness, team sports are to societies social development and growth. "Healthy" competition has always promoted competitiveness amongst peers and feeds the drive and will to succeed and to strive to excel. Physical coordination, learning limitations and discovering their real talents and areas in which they excel allowing natural limitations to be the driving force and letting real talents be discovered and built upon through natural growth and discovery are some of the values of it. I don't disagree with family involvement with physical activities but not education, how can those not educated in fitness and team psychology be able to teach their children these important lessons?. Having coached everyone of my sons sports teams while he was growing up allowed me to witness how left wing people are when it comes to their children, no child left behind apparently applies to sports as well. Academics did their job and no longer need to indoctrinate children on equality now every parent screams for it constantly. Society today is a resulting product of academics influence on it and it hasn't done us any favors.
I think it is SO FUNNY to see the Personal Trainers at Gyms that have Beer Guts. Why would a Gym hire someone like that??!!
But yes, you are right WD about the academics influence and how our society is today.
Badger52
04-01-2015, 13:13
One thing I will say that dropping PE from elementary schools to High Schools is a Very bad idea.Some parents/alum who're also members of a local NG Engr outfit did this up for the high school down the road (same one I think did the upgrades for the Air Assault course nearby). Sits between the baseball fields & the main building. Climbing, rappelling, zip-lines. All kinds of things to foster a variety of skills that don't involve an Xbox. There was a big cargo-net obstacle hanging out as well, unloved.
Sits largely un-used; damned shame.
:rolleyes: