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Team Sergeant
02-13-2015, 17:56
LMAO, ha ha ha ha ha, welcome to your own liberal/progressive/socialist desired healthcare, now pay your socialist fines or go to jail.
Cornell students erupt over health care fee
Published February 13, 2015
·FoxNews.com
Students at vaunted Cornell University are plenty smart enough to know they should not have to pay a penalty for not buying the school's health insurance if they already have coverage, but that's exactly what a new policy at the Ivy League school requires.
The $350 "health fee" for opting out of the school’s insurance plan was announced in a memo school President David Skorton posted on Cornell’s website last week, according to higher education blog The College Fix. But it is just setting in with the student body, and many attending the Ithaca, N.Y., school are not pleased. Under the Affordable Care Act, students must have insurance, but making those already covered pay an extra fee to skip the school's plan is not sitting well.
“Effective next academic year, 2015-16, we will be introducing a student health fee for those not enrolled in the Cornell Student Health Insurance Plan (SHIP),” read the memo. “As a physician, parent and president, I am proud of our university's long history of providing quality medical, mental health, education and prevention services on campus. These essential services play a critical role in student well-being and, therefore, success. Yet funding these services — and creating access to them for all students — has been a growing fiscal challenge, and a personal concern of mine.”
The announcement sent students into a fervor, leading to a series of rallies on campus and hashtag activism, with #FightTheFee trending on the social media website.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/13/cornell-student-body-furious-over-school-health-care-opt-out-fees/
Radar Rider
02-13-2015, 18:40
And now they know. Welcome to the real world.
They had better get used to it, someone has to subsidize the have not's at Cornell.
Attending an equally "vaunted " university, I chose to be insured. Cost 6K for PPO. I will be forced to replace that insurance. No one will insure me with the same PPO with my heart and other assorted health conditions.
Mustang Man
02-13-2015, 18:56
#FightTheFee
Yeah to late now, "evil" republicans already tried. Do they really think this trendy hashtag s#!t will do anything? I love it when these kids go about rallying/protesting, I can't help but just get a good chuckle out of it.
If I had social media I'd try to start a #WeToldYouSo
Hopefully more people will see the light by 2016 and we can elect someone that will repeal all this nonsense.
Looks like their SHIP has finally come in...
...schadenfreude is such a soothing emotion.
Yup, progressives...it hurts sooooo good...
Dr. Barbara Bellar sums up Obamacare in one sentence:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mZbFrAAV3-o&feature=youtu.be
The Reaper
02-14-2015, 16:42
Too soon to say, "I told you so"? :rolleyes::D
TR
Could one of the 2L's spline this??
berry care is between the government, an employee, & the employer.
These kids are students,,
they are purchasing an education,,
they are not employees???
The money Cornell collects goes to Cornell???
Does this men the little league can start making money off berry care? The girl and boy scouts?
If I purchase a Big Mac, do I also have to buy Mickey D's insurance??
Confused.. :munchin
what I saw on the news this morning was that there was no direct connection. it was a "principled" connection - in that what Cornell is doing to the students is exactly what Obummercare is doing to the citizens.
READ: It does not matter that you have provided for your OWN insurance needs, shut up and pitch in for everyone else as well. After all....it's only "fair". (put in pink font)
Eff these liberal assclowns - you want a socialist utopia...?? You've got it. Now get to work and start paying the King. The irony is rich with these idiots.
Heads I win...
Tails you loose...
The kids are getting a lesson about dealing with the incremental expansion of BIGGOV...lotsa rules...lotsa costs...not more doctors...
No Big Gulps, no surplus ammo, no ID to vote, no black rifles...no freedom...
But, lotsa pot, taxes, lines and "free" birth control...free community college for all...
Don't think about it too hard...don't try to apply logic...just submit to the will of the collective BORG...just observe the president make funny faces in the mirror...
But, don't pay too close attention to the golfer behind that curtain...MSNBC will tell you what to think...you're gonna strain yourself...BIG GOV will grant you all that you will need. ISIS is not Islamic...you are getting Veeeery sleeeeeeeepy....
If you still don't understand, Jen Psaki or Josh Earnest will be along to help you.
Javadrinker
02-15-2015, 10:43
If you still don't understand, Jen Psaki or Josh Earnest will be along to help you.
This
Old Dog New Trick
02-15-2015, 12:44
So how does work when the "Student" is under "26" and still has to be covered under mommy and daddy's insurance plan?
I'm glad the little F_cks and their a$$clown parents are tasting their own medicine and hope it has a bitter taste! Two spoonfuls of sugar will not make it taste any better but, I'm afraid castor oil is all we'll be able to afford soon.
I don't see how this relates to Obamacare...it's a fee to pay for the cost of operating the university's on-campus health care facilities.
My wife is a faculty member at a very large state university here in Florida...students are charged a health care per credit-hour on the main campus for that reason. Students on satellite campuses aren't charged the fee, because those campuses don't have health care facilities.
Two of my three sons went to college in Texas and, even with our family coverage and them being under 22, they had to pay the university's 'health fee' (along with several other assessed fees) per semester even if they chose not to use the services.
I suspect there would also be more fees today - universities are looking for ways to add to their operating coffers any way they can.
Richard
The link, as I read it..
You will pay the fee even if your already covered by a plan.
That's Obama's spread the wealth socialism..
Obamacare requires people either buy health insurance or pay a tax - Cornell is now requiring students who do not purchase SHIP to pay the health fee.
Some folks, who will never use Cornell's health center, will however, be paying for it through the fee/penalty/tax = a redistribution. Yes, we all experience redistribution but this time many of these students, their parents and certainly their Ivy League peers voted overwhelmingly for the community organizer 2X ! Now, they complain about increased fees for service which they themselves will never use...rich.
The Reaper
02-15-2015, 13:52
The link, as I read it..
You will pay the fee even if your already covered by a plan.
That's Obama's spread the wealth socialism..
We have been paying a student health fee on our daughter in college here in NC for two years, even though she is covered by TRICARE.
It is less, but they still charge for it, and you have to pay it.
TR
The link, as I read it..
You will pay the fee even if your already covered by a plan.
That's Obama's spread the wealth socialism..
So, are you going to blame university library fees on Obama too?? How about parking fees???
Universities have been charging health care facilities fees long before Obama moved into the WH.
The Reaper
02-15-2015, 14:06
So, are you going to blame university library fees on Obama too?? How about parking fees???
Universities have been charging health care facilities fees long before Obama moved into the WH.
True.
But should you have to pay parking fees if you do not have a car?
TR
Paying for something you will not use or already have is wrong.
The topic is medical coverage,, but you may as well group other fees in the same category.
Parking fee when you can't afford a car
Library fees when you use the mandatory Itoys to assess everything on the internet
Medical fees when your parents must cover you under their plan until your 26
Food Service Fees when you live off campus
Institutions of higher education have been and will continue to be imbibers of liberalism's wealth redistribution.
berry just learned from these schools.
Don't blame berry,,
berry is not responsible,,
He's not responsible for anything.
Next topic,,
Why do kids graduate from college with 200k in debt.
Is it because the college wants to create a new generation of sheeple that HAVE TO suckle at the tit of wealth redistribution??
:mad:
Obamacare requires people either buy health insurance or pay a tax - Cornell is now requiring students who do not purchase SHIP to pay the health fee.
Some folks, who will never use Cornell's health center, will however, be paying for it through the fee/penalty/tax = a redistribution. Yes, we all experience redistribution but this time many of these students, their parents and certainly their Ivy League peers voted overwhelmingly for the community organizer 2X ! Now, they complain about increased fees for service which they themselves will never use...rich.
Universities charge recreation fees....many students will never use the gym, pool, etc.
Everywhere I have lived county/city EMS services have been made possible by tax revenue. Would you like to live where there is no EMS?
I'd rather go to a university that has on campus medical facilities, than one where I to had to travel into town.
Example of what a university's health care fees pay for.
http://www.usf.edu/student-affairs/student-health-services/
Old Dog New Trick
02-15-2015, 15:22
Universities charge recreation fees....many students will never use the gym, pool, etc.
Everywhere I have lived county/city EMS services have been made possible by tax revenue. Would you like to live where there is no EMS?
I'd rather go to a university that has on campus medical facilities, than one where I to had to travel into town.
At least one of us is misreading the OP. As I understood it they were being required to buy into Cornell's health insurance plan, not specifically pay for healthcare facilities on campus. Those costs should be part of tuition, as is parking, security, and the pool. Even if you can't swim or drive.
I don't have a problem with taxes that pay for things I may or may not ever need but, I'd be pretty upset if I called 911 and also got charged for the call.
Universities charge recreation fees....many students will never use the gym, pool, etc.
My commentary generally points out the irony of those complaining. Particularly amusing is Cornell's acknowledgment of the continued rising costs of health care. Afterall, I thought Obamacare cured all? And, As I read things, portions of this new fee allegedly goes to service old debt and not for servicing current healthcare costs.
Anyway, in a free market and at a private university let them impose as many fees as the market will bear.
Still, watching budding community organizers complain about fees for stuff they will never use remains amusing.
And, I agree with you, I too want EMS service and I pay through the nose in multiple locations for it. All these years of paying and paying and paying and thank God we have yet to use it.
On the other hand, the crackhead, welfare recipient, renter, nontaxpayer, down the street has used municipal services of various types (some might say disproportionally to their contribution) over the past few years...
And, I agree with you again...the kids are getting a taste of reality and a glimpse of their future...fees, and fees and fees and fees and fees...
Universities charge recreation fees....many students will never use the gym, pool, etc.
Yeah, but the ones hat don't, choose NOT to. It's there if they want it.
Everywhere I have lived county/city EMS services have been made possible by tax revenue. Would you like to live where there is no EMS?
Pretty weak argument here.
If one chooses to live in an extremely rural area where there is no EMS services, because they don't want to pay those taxes into the system, that is there choice. No one is making you.
Why is it so hard for you to understand the difference(s) between the freedom(s) to choose one thing or another, as opposed to having something shoved down your/our throat(s) by the government?
Universities have been charging health care facilities fees long before Obama moved into the WH.
Just because it is wrong now, doesn't make it right then...
Our son goes to CSU, Ft. Collins. He has TriCare through the Guard and they waived the school's fee. Pretty simple. He buys an activity card if he wants to use the gym and pool. He buys a parking sticker, or parks at a metered space, if he wants to drive. He walks or rides his bike and his apartment has a gym.
BTW, I live where I don't count on EMS. Mostly because they can't find us. When was EMS created? The '60s or '70s? Thousands of generations of humans survived, or not, without EMS. And without higher education, for that matter. ;)
Pat
The Reaper
02-15-2015, 18:49
Most people would be better off if an EMS call was a fixed rate.
A very small percentage of the population is the vast consumer of EMS services, to include many who abuse the program and use it as a free taxi ride. I have seen statistics indicating that some people called for EMS a dozen times or more every month.
Unfortunately, these same abusers are also not taxpayers, so the service really is free for them.
TR
Most people would be better off if an EMS call was a fixed rate.
A very small percentage of the population is the vast consumer of EMS services, to include many who abuse the program and use it as a free taxi ride. I have seen statistics indicating that some people called for EMS a dozen times or more every month.
Unfortunately, these same abusers are also not taxpayers, so the service really is free for them.
TR
Where I live they would be billed for transport.
Two of my three sons went to college in Texas and, even with our family coverage and them being under 22, they had to pay the university's 'health fee' (along with several other assessed fees) per semester even if they chose not to use the services.
I suspect there would also be more fees today - universities are looking for ways to add to their operating coffers any way they can.
Richard
Universities are having to supply more services than ever before, because students demand them.
My commentary generally points out the irony of those complaining. Particularly amusing is Cornell's acknowledgment of the continued rising costs of health care. Afterall, I thought Obamacare cured all? And, As I read things, portions of this new fee allegedly goes to service old debt and not for servicing current healthcare costs.
Anyway, in a free market and at a private university let them impose as many fees as the market will bear.
Still, watching budding community organizers complain about fees for stuff they will never use remains amusing.
And, I agree with you, I too want EMS service and I pay through the nose in multiple locations for it. All these years of paying and paying and paying and thank God we have yet to use it.
On the other hand, the crackhead, welfare recipient, renter, nontaxpayer, down the street has used municipal services of various types (some might say disproportionally to their contribution) over the past few years...
And, I agree with you again...the kids are getting a taste of reality and a glimpse of their future...fees, and fees and fees and fees and fees...
Renters are taxpayers...they pay the landlord, who pays the property taxes.
Renters are taxpayers...they pay the landlord, who pays the property taxes.
Yup, but not always, i.e., when rent is actually subsidized...the renter is then using taxpayer funds (subsidy, housing voucher, whatever) to pay the rent. For illustration purposes only, it feels different to me to say that I "pay" property tax with my own money...versus paying tax with your (govt subsidy) money.
It is true that owner pays the property tax.
It is true that owner pays the property tax.
And corporations pay corporation tax. NOT! There are only two sides to a profit/loss balance sheet. Rental property property taxes are paid by the tenants. Corporation taxes are paid by the consumer. Always has been and always will be. Social Security taxes are only paid by the employee. Unemployment insurance is only paid by the employee. That is the reality.
Learning economics by watching Scrooge McDuck cartoons have made this nation economically ignorant.
Pat
And corporations pay corporation tax. NOT! There are only two sides to a profit/loss balance sheet. Rental property property taxes are paid by the tenants. Corporation taxes are paid by the consumer. Always has been and always will be. Social Security taxes are only paid by the employee. Unemployment insurance is only paid by the employee. That is the reality.
Learning economics by watching Scrooge McDuck cartoons have made this nation economically ignorant.
Pat
Pat,
uh oh, time for more cartoons -
(1) Income statements,
(2) Balance sheets,
(3) Statement of cash flows
All separate and distinct financial reporting statements.
The balance sheet reports assets, liabilities and shareholder equity.
A profit or loss statement measures, well, profit or loss.
Cash flow...well.
You seem to have created a hybrid of sorts to make a point. Incorrect, but let's go with it.
But, to the extent that a tenant pays rent I will concede that a portion of that rent will go to payment of property tax by the landlord - no matter the source - govt subsidy or otherwise. Now, I guess everyone just became a taxpayer.
Pat,
uh oh, time for more cartoons -
(1) Income statements,
(2) Balance sheets,
(3) Statement of cash flows
All separate and distinct financial reporting statements.
The balance sheet reports assets, liabilities and shareholder equity.
A profit or loss statement measures, well, profit or loss.
Cash flow...well.
You seem to have created a hybrid of sorts to make a point. Incorrect, but let's go with it.
But, to the extent that a tenant pays rent I will concede that a portion of that rent will go to payment of property tax by the landlord - no matter the source - govt subsidy or otherwise. Now, I guess everyone just became a taxpayer.
Smoke and mirrors, amigo. If I expect a certain return on my investment and the government adds regulations and taxes to it, I will find a way around it. Because, to me, it's profit and loss only. Now, CPAs and tax lawyers are going to help me, so that adds to my loss side and rents or consumer prices go up. I'm only going to lose until I feel I can't recover and I'll shut down my business. Unless I'm a landlord and the city/county decides that rents should be frozen. Taxes aren't frozen, utility costs aren't frozen, insurance costs aren't frozen, inflation isn't frozen, repair costs aren't frozen. So, if the profit side of the balance sheet nears or falls below the cost side, what do you expect me to do? I can't sell a losing property. So, I can't keep up the property and get to be called a slum lord. Cool, huh?
Pat
Let's try to make this simple.
The incidence of a tax attempts to measure where the burden of a tax actually falls.
A landlord, is responsible for payment of property tax on a given property which he or she owns.
A tenant, is responsible for paying rent for the use and occupation of property.
A portion of a rent payment will be used to pay the landlord's property tax.
However, If I pay am paying my rent with money that has been provided to me by a government subsidy -- where does the incidence of the tax ultimately fall? On the tenant that received the govt subsidy or the pool of taxpayers who actually contributed to the renters subsidy?
Reasonable people can differ.
Reasonable people can differ.
Sorry, they can not! Only one is right, because the nation's economy, and existence, depends on it.
Pat
Sorry, they can not! Either one is right, or one is wrong. The nation's economy, and existence, depends on it.
Pat
Ok - then you are wrong. :D
Let's try to make this simple.
However, If I pay am paying my rent with money that has been provided to me by a government subsidy -- where does the incidence of the tax ultimately fall? On the tenant that received the govt subsidy or the pool of taxpayers who actually contributed to the renters subsidy?
Reasonable people can differ.
And who paid the tax to give them that subsidy in the first place? It wasn't them as they didn't have the money. :D
And who paid the tax to give them that subsidy in the first place? It wasn't them as they didn't have the money. :D
Bingo.
I hope the Cornell students learn some valuable life lessons from this experience...the Ivy League could benefit from an exchange program with the ultimate education..."the school of hard knocks."
frostfire
02-17-2015, 03:32
A very small percentage of the population is the vast consumer of EMS services, to include many who abuse the program and use it as a free taxi ride. I have seen statistics indicating that some people called for EMS a dozen times or more every month.
Unfortunately, these same abusers are also not taxpayers, so the service really is free for them.
TR
This is one source of high BP for me that I had to resort to willful ignorance as coping mechanism and to remain professional when these folks came by EMS for sore throat, chronic rash, etc. Some even got creative and called EMS from the waiting room so they can skip the long triage :rolleyes::mad: ....then they had the audacity to ask for hospital voucher to cover the taxi ride home after discharge. From cradle to grave, indeed.
Where I live they would be billed for transport.
not if they "can't afford" the bill