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Team Sergeant
02-03-2015, 13:33
No barry, that's how islam and muslims work, they kill in the name of the pediphile prophet muhammad.
ISIS 'BARBARITY': Video purports to show Jordanian pilot burned alive
A new video that surfaced on the Internet Tuesday appears to show ISIS burning alive a Jordanian pilot the terror group has held since December -- an act that reportedly has prompted Jordan to ready the execution of an unknown number of terrorist prisoners..
If authentic, the 22-minute video would bring a grisly end to speculation into the fate of Lt. Muath al-Kaseasbeh, 26, who was captured when his plane crashed during a bombing mission in Syria Dec. 24. The video, which reports said could have been made more than a month ago, shows a man standing in a cage with a line of fuel leading to him, which is then ignited, causing him to burst into flames. Islamic State had previously sought to trade him for Sajida al-Rishawi, an Iraqi woman who is in a Jordanian prison for her role in a 2005 suicide bomb attack that killed 60 people in Amman.
“Should in fact this video be authentic, it’s just one more indication of the viciousness and barbarity of this organization," President Obama said. “This organization appears only interested in death and destruction.”
cont:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/02/03/new-isis-video-purpotedly-shows-jordanian-pilot-being-burned-alive/
There is no doubt that these ISIS thugs will use nukes if they can get them.
Appeasement and "managing" the situation has resulted in torture and death for tens of thousands...
...we have seen this movie play out before.
...many more will suffer.
The world cries out for leadership.
The occupant of the WH is on the back 9.
I feel that they caged the pilot because they learned that the don't try to behead a military individual. They learned this with Peter Kassig, former Army Ranger held by ISIS. They never released the video of his beheading, but his body was fully bloody. Good for him!!
Nice that ISIS chief executioner found beheaded with cigarette in his mouth last month. I guess the saying "live by the sword, die by the sword" played out well for ISIS. I guess they are all just a bunch of pussies.
I just hope the Jordanian Air Force General and King Abdullah II follow through with their threat. Bomb the hell out of ISIS' de facto capital, Raqqa.
TONYZ - I feel that you are right on them using a Nuke if they get one.
Mustang Man
02-03-2015, 14:26
The Jordan response.
Sky News Arabia *and AFP are*reporting*that the kingdom plans to execute prisoners including Sajida Rishawi, a would-be suicide bomber arrested in 2005 in connection with Al Qaeda in Iraq's attack on hotels in Amman that year which killed 60 people
http://www.businessinsider.com/reports-jordan-will-execute-imprisoned-terrorists-2015-2
Loadsmasher
02-03-2015, 14:46
The Jordan response.
http://www.businessinsider.com/reports-jordan-will-execute-imprisoned-terrorists-2015-2
I just hope the Jordanian Air Force General and King Abdullah II follow through with their threat. Bomb the hell out of ISIS' de facto capital, Raqqa.
Two great ideas that should be combined. Load up the prisoners and then airdrop them over Raqqa, sans chutes.
“This organization appears only interested in death and destruction.”
...sawing off peoples heads
...murdering innocent people
...setting people on fire
check, check, and check
YES...
...It DOES appear that this organization has issues. It is beyond stunning that ISIS had to resort to setting a human being on fire to get that point across.
I wonder what extreme they need to go to in order to convince folks that they are serious about their religion? It "appears" that this organization may or may not be serious this time.
Perhaps we should double down and try some hard core diplomacy.
Jordan vows ‘earth-shaking’ response to IS’ killing of pilot
King cuts short US visit, urges Jordanians to unify in face of tragedy
Jordan Times
by Khetam Malkawi | Feb 03, 2015
AMMAN — Jordan on Tuesday threatened an “earth-shaking response” for the burning alive of Jordanian pilot Muath Kasasbeh by the so-called Islamic State (IS) terrorist group, while His Majesty King Abdullah urged Jordanians to stand united at these crucial times.
Following the release of a video showing a group of IS masked terrorists burning Kasasbeh alive, the Jordan Armed Forces-Arab Army (JAF) issued a statement saying that the officer was killed on January 3, nine days after his F-16 crashed over Raqqa in northeast Syria (see text of the army statement in separate story).
In his statement, aired on Jordan TV, King Abdullah described IS as a cowardly terrorist group that has nothing to do with true Islam, praising Kasasbeh as a brave pilot who was fighting in defence of Islam, his country and his nation.
The Royal Court announced that King Abdullah would cut short his visit to the US, with the White House announcing an unscheduled meeting between the King and President Barack Obama in Washington later Tuesday before the King’s departure.
In its statement, the army vowed a response that is “proportionate to the magnitude of the tragedy of all Jordanians”, according to the statement read on Jordan TV by JAF Spokesperson Colonel Mamdouh Ameri.
A similar reaction was echoed by Government Spokesperson Mohammad Momani, who said several measures will be taken by the Kingdom to respond to this brutal group.
In a statement aired by Jordan TV, Momani said that Jordan’s response to the assassination “will be swift. Jordanians’ wrath will devastate Daesh’s ranks”.
Addressing those who had doubt about the brutality of IS, the minister said what the group did is proof of such brutality.
“For those who used to believe that this group represents Islam, this is the proof, and for those who had doubts about the unity of Jordanians against this evil, we will show them what unity we have.”
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http://jordantimes.com/jordan-vows-earth-shaking-response-to-is-killing-of-pilot
Team Sergeant
02-03-2015, 21:03
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“For those who used to believe that this group represents Islam, this is the proof, and for those who had doubts about the unity of Jordanians against this evil, we will show them what unity we have.”
<snip>
http://jordantimes.com/jordan-vows-earth-shaking-response-to-is-killing-of-pilot
Yes we are watching and waiting.......
It's about time for another Middle East nation to go medieval on the sunni scumbags/muslin brotherhood etc.
Well, that's two down ....
Jordan executes two Iraqi militants in response to pilot's death
AMMAN (Reuters) - Jordan has executed by hanging a jailed Iraqi woman militant whose release had been demanded by the Islamic State group that burnt a captured Jordanian pilot to death, a security source said on Wednesday.
Responding to the killing of the pilot, whose death was announced on Tuesday, the Jordanian authorities also executed another senior al Qaeda prisoner sentenced to death for plots to wage attacks against the pro-Western kingdom in the last decade.
Sajida al-Rishawi, the Iraqi woman militant, was sentenced to death for her role in a 2005 suicide bomb attack that killed 60 people. Ziyad Karboli, an Iraqi al Qaeda operative, who was convicted in 2008 for killing a Jordanian, was also executed at dawn, the source said.
frostfire
02-03-2015, 22:38
I feel that they caged the pilot because they learned that the don't try to behead a military individual. They learned this with Peter Kassig, former Army Ranger held by ISIS. They never released the video of his beheading, but his body was fully bloody. Good for him!!
The Jordanian pilot stood up in defiance till the end. However, if you see the video ...what I found the most disturbing is the high level of sophistication in the editing. They juxtaposed his walking, looking around & lost with clips of people who died in remains of a building, implying he was responsible for bombing it, and then the judging glances of his masked executioners as they lit up the trace of fuel. In a nutshell, the video portray him as accepting his verdict of guilt for bombing civilians...and the sickos did a close up of the entire immolation episode all the way to the melting, charred remain, which then got covered by building rubble and bulldozer running it over. Once again, implying the reason he was executed. I bet this cleverly-made-professional-production quality video appeals greatly to ISIS target audience
Pretty much send the message that anyone should choose other alternatives than being capture alive by ISIS
TONYZ - I feel that you are right on them using a Nuke if they get one.
MtnGoat - ISIS appears to be adherents of total war with absolutely no limits.
Our enemies might even use the "no constraints" nature of ISIS to further their own ends. That is, ISIS might be used as a deadly tool for other enemies in the region - to play. ISIS and AQ may compete for recruits and prestige - but they generally share the same hatred of the USA, Israel and Europe. Having a relatively large army (reportedly, tens of thousands with ISIS) to manipulate (that army having zero constraints) should wake our political leaders in the WH from their PC coma.
Pretty much send the message that anyone should choose other alternatives than being capture alive by ISIS
Pretty much sends the message that anyone should choose other alternatives than capturing anyone from ISIS alive, I would think.
Yes time for Jordan and others in the ME to step up to the plate and do what we all know needs to be done.
The Jordanian pilot stood up in defiance till the end. However, if you see the video ...what I found the most disturbing is the high level of sophistication in the editing. They juxtaposed his walking, looking around & lost with clips of people who died in remains of a building, implying he was responsible for bombing it, and then the judging glances of his masked executioners as they lit up the trace of fuel. In a nutshell, the video portray him as accepting his verdict of guilt for bombing civilians...and the sickos did a close up of the entire immolation episode all the way to the melting, charred remain, which then got covered by building rubble and bulldozer running it over. Once again, implying the reason he was executed. I bet this cleverly-made-professional-production quality video appeals greatly to ISIS target audience
Pretty much send the message that anyone should choose other alternatives than being capture alive by ISIS
This is the thing with ISIS and their media train. They have VERY SMART people behind their media "train." An American that was educated at Northwestern in Computer Science and at least 3 to 5 others from European countries and some from Middle Eastern Countries with Computer Science and Engineering Degrees. So you have Western educated Muslims that know both Cultures.
Also that's why you have the green screen or video compositing, this was the "Talk" over James Foley beheading and the two Japanese guys videos. BLUF, ISIS knows what they are doing.
MtnGoat - ISIS appears to be adherents of total war with absolutely no limits.
Our enemies might even use the "no constraints" nature of ISIS to further their own ends. That is, ISIS might be used as a deadly tool for other enemies in the region - to play. ISIS and AQ may compete for recruits and prestige - but they generally share the same hatred of the USA, Israel and Europe. Having a relatively large army (reportedly, tens of thousands with ISIS) to manipulate (that army having zero constraints) should wake our political leaders in the WH from their PC coma.
Yes and wait till they hit one of our Embassies.
We've already seen the iron fisted retaliation that accompanies an attack on a US Embassy in that part of the world. We will find someone that has recently published an offensive YouTube video to blame it on...
...then we will seek reelection.
The world, and more particularly evil in this world, has taken the measure of Obama...
Appeasement As Narcissism
Victor Davis Hanson | Feb 04, 2015
TownHall
Members of the Obama administration have insisted that the Taliban are not terrorists. Those responsible for the recent Paris killings are not radical Islamists. The Muslim Brotherhood is largely secular. Jihad is a "legitimate tenet of Islam." And "violent extremism," "workplace violence" or "man-caused disaster" better describe radical Islamic terrorism. Domestic terrorism is just as likely caused by returning U.S. combat veterans, according to one report by a federal agency.
What is the point of such linguistic appeasement?
The word "appeasement" long ago became pejorative for giving in to bullies. One side was aggressive and undemocratic; the other consensual and eager to avoid trouble through supposedly reasonable concessions.
But appeasement usually weakened the democratic side and empowered the extremist one.
The architect of appeasement -- for example, Neville Chamberlain, former prime minister of Great Britain -- was predictably a narcissist. Chamberlain believed that his own powers of oratory, his insights into reason and his undeniably superior morality would sway even a thug like Adolf Hitler.
President Obama currently is convinced that his singular charisma and rare insight into human nature will convince the Taliban to peacefully participate in Afghan politics. Obama will supposedly also win over the Iranian theocracy and show it how nonproliferation is really to everyone's advantage.
"Reset" diplomacy with Putin was supposed to lessen tensions -- if, after the 2012 election, Putin just had more exposure to a flexible statesman of Obama's wisdom.
Throughout history, without the vanity of the conceder, there would never have been appeasement.
Appeasement also always subordinates the interests of vulnerable third parties to the appeaser's own inflated sense of self. When Chamberlain and the French Prime Minister Edouard Daladier signed the 1938 Munich Pact, they worried little about the fate of millions of Czechs who lost their country -- and less about millions of Poles who were next in line for Hitler's Blitzkrieg.
Reset diplomacy with Russia in 2009 was not much concerned about the ensuing danger to Crimeans or Ukrainians. When the Taliban takes over, hundreds of thousands of reformist Afghans will die.
Obama sees a deal with Iran as a way to cement his legacy as a breakthrough statesman. In comparison, the long-term consequences of a nuclear Iran on the security of tiny Israel or on the stability of the largely Sunni Arab Middle East are future and more abstract concerns for others.
Even major concessions never satisfy aggressive powers. It is a traditional Western liberal delusion -- brought on by our wealth, leisure and the good life -- that autocrats appreciate magnanimity rather than see it as timidity to be exploited further.
Hitler fumed that the compliant Chamberlain at Munich was a "worm" for making such concessions to him and boasted that he would stomp on that "silly old man" on the next occasion he saw him.
Releasing Guantanamo prisoners, or ignoring red lines to Syria, deadlines to Iran and step-over lines to Russia, did not win over aggressors. Gestures of appeasement and empty threats only emboldened terrorists and green-lighted dictators to ratchet up nuclear enrichment, or violence against their own people -- or to go into Ukraine.
When a top Russian general brags that its nuclear force is now more powerful than America's, or when Raul Castro warns that Cuba now expects an early return of the U.S. base at Guantanamo Bay as the price of normalization, past American concessions seem to have whetted their appetites for more confrontations.
The euphemisms for radical Islamic terrorism have not curbed it. They have not improved U.S. popularity in the Middle East.
The appeasing party is not always the weaker one. In 1938, Combined British and French military power was greater than that of the Third Reich. President Jimmy Carter had far more military options than did the Ayatollah Khomeini's Iran during the 1979-80 hostage crisis.
Instead, stronger democratic nations feel that they can continue to enjoy short-term calm and peace of mind -- and let others worry about any long-term likelihood of aggression. Maybe by treating jihad, terrorism and radical Islam as taboo words, radical Muslim terrorists will respond and become less threatening.
In truth, appeasement, not deterrence, is the more reckless path. With serial concessions, democratic leaders convince aggressors that they must be stronger than they actually are. Those fantasies increase the likelihood that weaker dictators and terrorists will miscalculate and set off a deadly confrontation down the road.
Yet the public often prefers appeasement. Military preparedness and investment are too costly. Backing up threats seems too scary. Churchills and Reagans sound shrill. Alliances, deterrence and balance of power sound so old-fashioned. Evil and good are derided as too simplistic. Defusing a crisis now is preferable to ensuring one down the road.
Appeasement continues not because it works, but because it serves the pretensions of narcissists.
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http://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2015/02/04/appeasement-as-narcissism-n1952849/page/full
mojaveman
02-05-2015, 20:53
They need to just finish them all off.
Exactly. What they did to that young pilot was a crime against humanity.
Wish we could trick ISIS into massing their forces somewhere and then call in an Arc Light.
It is time to get off the high horse and remember what took place during the crusades and what took place during slavery and Jim Crow.
I once referred to the POTUS on this board as a ********, it was disrespectful and I will never do that again. Is it ok to refer to him as an idiot?
It is time to get off the high horse and remember what took place during the crusades and what took place during slavery and Jim Crow.
I once referred to the POTUS on this board as a ********, it was disrespectful and I will never do that again. Is it ok to refer to him as an idiot?
...must be those current crazy Christians on their high horse risking their lives for strangers in Africa, Haiti, Syria and other places that require aid and assistance - ministering to the sick in hospitals around the world - keeping Barry up at night.
twistedsquid
02-10-2015, 11:20
I speculate what the response would be if it were an Israeli pilot, journalist or citizen these atrocities were practiced upon.
Beheading journalists and killing aid workers - the only news will now come from the isolated world of ISLAMIC terrorists...the only aid...comes from them...
4 dead Americans specifically done in by ISIS...
Thousands and thousands and thousands more free people killed, maimed, raped or otherwise subjugated...
The perpetrators identify themselves and tell us we are next...and to behead the occupant of WH is one of their goals...
Man, what does it take?
If someone wrote this script for a movie it would be nearly unbelievable.
RIP Kayla Mueller :(. Her story of sacrificial love inspires me so much as a Christian and as an American. May her kidnappers receive the justice that surely awaits them. :mad:
mojaveman
02-17-2015, 19:16
It's just getting worse and worse.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-31502863
Peregrino
02-17-2015, 19:46
RIP Kayla Mueller :(. Her story of sacrificial love inspires me so much as a Christian and as an American. May her kidnappers receive the justice that surely awaits them. :mad:
From a friend:
Enlightening …
______________________
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/16455#.VONj8Ok5C00
Another dewy-eyed revolutionary. That explains why she thought she could travel into Syria with impunity--she was one of them.
But let the canonization begin. As Barack said, “Kayla dedicated her life to helping others in need at home and around the world.... Kayla represents what is best about America, and expressed her deep pride in the freedoms that we Americans enjoy, and that so many others strive for around the world.... Kayla Mueller used these freedoms she so cherished to improve the lives of others.”
Curious, isn't it, how the speechwriter left out the part about rioting with the Palestinians? Maybe it scrolled too fast off the Teleprompter.
From a friend:
Enlightening …
______________________
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/16455#.VONj8Ok5C00
Another dewy-eyed revolutionary. That explains why she thought she could travel into Syria with impunity--she was one of them.
But let the canonization begin. As Barack said, “Kayla dedicated her life to helping others in need at home and around the world.... Kayla represents what is best about America, and expressed her deep pride in the freedoms that we Americans enjoy, and that so many others strive for around the world.... Kayla Mueller used these freedoms she so cherished to improve the lives of others.”
Curious, isn't it, how the speechwriter left out the part about rioting with the Palestinians? Maybe it scrolled too fast off the Teleprompter.
Thanks for the link! I certainly don't agree with what would appear to be antagonistic views on her part towards Israel and the West. I guess I still appreciate the fact that she had a heart for others, even if it was tainted by a misguided compassion for those who would seek to achieve their political and religious goals through terrorism.
A life lost is always bad though, so I still pray for her family.
IMO, this is not good logic.
Condolences to the family but if (big if) Mr. Kaplan's article is accurate, this unfortunate girl identified with human scum based on a belief in their cause.
Belief based upon faith, which constricts a perspective by its very nature.
DocIllinois, I certainly wouldn't agree with her political allegiances, if indeed what has been reported is the truth. Nevertheless, I feel obligated to personally pray for everyone (regardless if I loathe their conduct and beliefs)...
helicom6
03-01-2015, 05:26
The world, and more particularly evil in this world, has taken the measure of Obama...
Appeasement As Narcissism
Victor Davis Hanson | Feb 04, 2015
TownHall
Members of the Obama administration have insisted that the Taliban are not terrorists. Those responsible for the recent Paris killings are not radical Islamists. The Muslim Brotherhood is largely secular. Jihad is a "legitimate tenet of Islam." And "violent extremism," "workplace violence" or "man-caused disaster" better describe radical Islamic terrorism. Domestic terrorism is just as likely caused by returning U.S. combat veterans, according to one report by a federal agency.
What is the point of such linguistic appeasement?
The word "appeasement" long ago became pejorative for giving in to bullies. One side was aggressive and undemocratic; the other consensual and eager to avoid trouble through supposedly reasonable concessions.
But appeasement usually weakened the democratic side and empowered the extremist one.
The architect of appeasement -- for example, Neville Chamberlain, former prime minister of Great Britain -- was predictably a narcissist. Chamberlain believed that his own powers of oratory, his insights into reason and his undeniably superior morality would sway even a thug like Adolf Hitler.
President Obama currently is convinced that his singular charisma and rare insight into human nature will convince the Taliban to peacefully participate in Afghan politics. Obama will supposedly also win over the Iranian theocracy and show it how nonproliferation is really to everyone's advantage.
"Reset" diplomacy with Putin was supposed to lessen tensions -- if, after the 2012 election, Putin just had more exposure to a flexible statesman of Obama's wisdom.
Throughout history, without the vanity of the conceder, there would never have been appeasement.
Appeasement also always subordinates the interests of vulnerable third parties to the appeaser's own inflated sense of self. When Chamberlain and the French Prime Minister Edouard Daladier signed the 1938 Munich Pact, they worried little about the fate of millions of Czechs who lost their country -- and less about millions of Poles who were next in line for Hitler's Blitzkrieg.
Reset diplomacy with Russia in 2009 was not much concerned about the ensuing danger to Crimeans or Ukrainians. When the Taliban takes over, hundreds of thousands of reformist Afghans will die.
Obama sees a deal with Iran as a way to cement his legacy as a breakthrough statesman. In comparison, the long-term consequences of a nuclear Iran on the security of tiny Israel or on the stability of the largely Sunni Arab Middle East are future and more abstract concerns for others.
Even major concessions never satisfy aggressive powers. It is a traditional Western liberal delusion -- brought on by our wealth, leisure and the good life -- that autocrats appreciate magnanimity rather than see it as timidity to be exploited further.
Hitler fumed that the compliant Chamberlain at Munich was a "worm" for making such concessions to him and boasted that he would stomp on that "silly old man" on the next occasion he saw him.
Releasing Guantanamo prisoners, or ignoring red lines to Syria, deadlines to Iran and step-over lines to Russia, did not win over aggressors. Gestures of appeasement and empty threats only emboldened terrorists and green-lighted dictators to ratchet up nuclear enrichment, or violence against their own people -- or to go into Ukraine.
When a top Russian general brags that its nuclear force is now more powerful than America's, or when Raul Castro warns that Cuba now expects an early return of the U.S. base at Guantanamo Bay as the price of normalization, past American concessions seem to have whetted their appetites for more confrontations.
The euphemisms for radical Islamic terrorism have not curbed it. They have not improved U.S. popularity in the Middle East.
The appeasing party is not always the weaker one. In 1938, Combined British and French military power was greater than that of the Third Reich. President Jimmy Carter had far more military options than did the Ayatollah Khomeini's Iran during the 1979-80 hostage crisis.
Instead, stronger democratic nations feel that they can continue to enjoy short-term calm and peace of mind -- and let others worry about any long-term likelihood of aggression. Maybe by treating jihad, terrorism and radical Islam as taboo words, radical Muslim terrorists will respond and become less threatening.
In truth, appeasement, not deterrence, is the more reckless path. With serial concessions, democratic leaders convince aggressors that they must be stronger than they actually are. Those fantasies increase the likelihood that weaker dictators and terrorists will miscalculate and set off a deadly confrontation down the road.
Yet the public often prefers appeasement. Military preparedness and investment are too costly. Backing up threats seems too scary. Churchills and Reagans sound shrill. Alliances, deterrence and balance of power sound so old-fashioned. Evil and good are derided as too simplistic. Defusing a crisis now is preferable to ensuring one down the road.
Appeasement continues not because it works, but because it serves the pretensions of narcissists.
<snip>
http://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2015/02/04/appeasement-as-narcissism-n1952849/page/full
I have to say; the Town Hall makes for one hell of an argument, even in it's simplistic rant of, once again; "let's blame it all on Obama". The author, Victor Davis Hanson, does a fine job of connecting the likes of Nazism and the Communist Threat to the new threat of Middle East Extremism, Islamic extremism, whatever you call it, this is our newest threat to national security, to humanity, and to the purpose of world peace, as a whole.
However, Mr. Hanson's history has an over-abundance of holes, and he erroneously decides to throw all of his blame eggs into one basket, Obama has ruined us, made us look weak and powerless. Hmmm...I seem to remember a president that stood on board an aircraft carrier claiming mission accomplished, only to be pulling his own foot of his ass, shortly thereafter, when an insurgency took over our newly accomplished mission.
I don't think I need to say too much more on that subject, along with the embarrassment that our nation and armed forces took on in the eyes of the world. Thank goodness for the blood, sweat and tears of the military to clean up that mess!
Don't get me wrong, I am not a major fan of any of our last few presidents, foreign policies, and the deaths of our Americans. But, when do we, as Americans, begin to understand that all this; we also have a part in. There isn't any one country, person, army, military, religion, etc; that is innocent in this world!
I remember being asked in a military interview; "How do you feel about shooting at and killing people?" I said; "Sir, I am not 100 percent sure how I feel about that, but I do know this; I am an American Soldier, a husband, and a father. If I am being shot at, my troops are being shot at, or my family is put in the face of danger, I am going to do everything in my power to fight until I am dead or my enemy is dead. I know as a professional I am going to be called to do many things that will test every aspect of my life, and that is why I am here."
Now, at least I was given the honor of responding to such a question, rather than being forced to kill or blow myself up under the threat of my own demise or my family members. This is an example of civilized behavior; having an opportunity to think before acting. What is the next big play, what are the options, is the intelligence good, and even, can we make this work in our favor? All of this is the sign of good leadership. I have even heard from various QP's that they haven't wanted to go back into the hornet's nest...at least, not with out proper assets, which they may or may not have in the North with the Pesh.
If we go to the extreme of wiping the earth of Muslims and Islam, are we any better than the extremists?