Muslim call to prayer to sound at Duke University

[Snaquebite]

Here we go....
Christian organizations in places of higher learning get attacked and now this.
http://www.wral.com/muslim-call-to-prayer-to-sound-at-duke-university/14353003/

Durham, N.C. — A weekly call to prayer for Muslims will be heard at Duke University starting Friday, school officials said.

Members of the Duke Muslim Students Association will chant the call, known as adhan or azan, from the Duke Chapel bell tower each Friday at 1 p.m. The call to prayer will last about three minutes and be “moderately amplified,” officials said in a statement Tuesday.

Read more at http://www.wral.com/muslim-call-to-prayer-to-sound-at-duke-university/14353003/#lQyFDF4kSO2R5ywl.99

[MtnGoat]

This is so for REAL!!!

Many forget that Duke was once or originally and started out as a Methodist seminary. Just as many of our ivy league universities were Christian or Religion based institution of study.

Look what Muslims did to England, how they used their laws against them. Keep sleeping America!!

[abc_123]

There was a good article that I read somewhere (maybe mentioned here) where the author tried to lay out the behavior/demands that could be expected as the overall percentage of muslims in a country increases. he then used examples of countries (lots of examples in Europe) to back up his premise. His point was to foreshadow what those on the lower end could expect to see as time progressed...until there was a vast majority and sharia law etc.etc becomes prevalent.


Things like this was listed as one of the indicators of "progression" (or "digression") along the continuum that he layed out.

I wish I would have saved the article.

[tonyz]

There was a good article that I read somewhere (maybe mentioned here) where the author tried to lay out the behavior/demands that could be expected as the overall percentage of muslims in a country increases. he then used examples of countries (lots of examples in Europe) to back up his premise. His point was to foreshadow what those on the lower end could expect to see as time progressed...until there was a vast majority and sharia law etc.etc becomes prevalent.


Things like this was listed as one of the indicators of "progression" (or "digression") along the continuum that he layed out.

I wish I would have saved the article.

The link below may contain a similar article.

http://www.examiner.com/article/as-muslim-population-grows-what-can-happen-to-a-society

"In the book, Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat, written by Dr. Peter Hammond, he explores the topic of the impact that an increasing Muslim population has on that society. The lists below illustrate the Muslim population status of countries around the world, and exactly what changes to the societies can be expected according to Hammond."


As Muslim population grows, what can happen to a society?
June 23, 2010
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What happens to society's as the Muslim population grows in percentage of the total?

In the book, Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat, written by Dr. Peter Hammond, he explores the topic of the impact that an increasing Muslim population has on that society. The lists below illustrate the Muslim population status of countries around the world, and exactly what changes to the societies can be expected according to Hammond.

The book as well as the author are controversial, but the topic is definitely something that needs to be explored and understood. From the book:

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States -- Muslim 0.6%

Australia -- Muslim 1.5%

Canada -- Muslim 1.9%

China -- Muslim 1.8%

Italy -- Muslim 1.5%

Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.

This is happening in:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%

Germany -- Muslim 3.7%

United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%

Spain -- Muslim 4%

Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for

Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France -- Muslim 8%

Philippines -- 5%

Sweden -- Muslim 5%

Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%

The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%

Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia lawover the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10%

India -- Muslim 13.4%

Israel -- Muslim 16%

Kenya -- Muslim 10%

Russia -- Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%

Chad -- Muslim 53.1%

Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and ***ya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania -- Muslim 70%

Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%

Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%

Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%

Egypt -- Muslim 90%

Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%

Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%

Iran -- Muslim 98%

Iraq -- Muslim 97%

Jordan -- Muslim 92%

Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%

Pakistan -- Muslim 97%

Palestine -- Muslim 99%

Syria -- Muslim 90%

Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%

Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%

United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%

Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%

Somalia -- Muslim 100%

Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

[Streck-Fu]

The locals will tire quickly of hearing this every day.

[tonyz]

From the article...

"Members of the Duke Muslim Students Association will chant the call, known as adhan or azan, from the Duke Chapel bell tower each Friday at 1 p.m. The call to prayer will last about three minutes and be “moderately amplified,” officials said in a statement Tuesday."

Stonings and beheadings will take place on the Quad on the second Tuesday of each month and will be "moderately amplified."

[Dusty]

Doesn't surprise me, coming out of Duke.
Liberal college administrators/professors (roughly 99% are progressive = lib) are the vanguard of the decay of morality which will destroy us if left unchecked.
At one time, Paris only had the camel's nose in the tent...

[Richard]

http://calendar.duke.edu/events/index?cf%5B%5D=Religious%2FSpiritual

The chant will sound for three minutes at a "moderately amplified" level to announce the Jummah prayer service, held Friday afternoons in the chapel basement.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/14/duke-chapel-muslim-call-to-prayer_n_6471530.html

MOO - free country - free speech - private university.

Under our Constitution, their right to free speech and expression must be protected if yours is to be also.

If they allow the carilloning of bells and religious music to announce other services and seasonally celebratory events, what's the difference in allowing such a call to service for their Islamic students/faculty?

There's a Sikh society compound about 1/4 of a mile from my ranch and I can faintly hear their call to worship being sung - I almost called 911 the first time I heard it to get help for the poor devil wailing over the PA system who sounded as if he was in terrible pain from an agry ferret clamped to his testicles or something. It's a bit louder during their high holy periods but isn't overly intrusive so it's just ignored.

There are serious issues facing our society; I don't see this as one of them.

Others may disagree, but so it goes...

Richard

[Dusty]

http://calendar.duke.edu/events/index?cf%5B%5D=Religious%2FSpiritual


There are serious issues facing our society; I don't see this as one of them.




Progressives can rationalize it to their hearts' content, as I'm sure they did in the countries that are now totally screwed up because of islamification.

[Team Sergeant]

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There are serious issues facing our society; I don't see this as one of them.

Others may disagree, but so it goes...

Richard[/COLOR]

I'm sure the writers at Charlie Hebdo didn't think they would be murdered by mooslems over a cartoon either.

I'm waiting for Duke University to offer IED's 101 and surgical hand removal by non- surgeons.

[mark46th]

Have to agree with Richard, private school, freedom of religion, But I do have one question- do they receive state or federal funds? Another thing to remember, islam has a habit of taking over Christian and Jewish houses of worship and converting them to mosques. Think of Hagia Sophia in Constantinople and The Dome of the Rock, built on the ruins of the Second Temple in Jerusalem.

[Dusty]

Have to agree with Richard, private school, freedom of religion, But I do have one question- do they receive state or federal funds? Another thing to remember, islam has a habit of taking over Christian and Jewish houses of worship and converting them to mosques. Think of Constantinople and Jerusalem.

In this Country, freedom of religion means sacrilege such as putting a Crucifix in a bottle of piss and calling it art is cool, while the thought of angering muslims makes the same crowd piss in their pants with fear.

The money? Would it be surprising if it came from "Obama's stash"? Remember, to him, the Islamic call to prayer is "the most beautiful sound in the world".

Pretty sure the muslims would be tickled if there were NO Christian and Jewish houses of worship left to take over, Bro.

[Snaquebite]

......while the thought of angering muslims makes the same crowd piss in their pants with fear.
.

BINGO...we have a winner....

This is not about freedom of religion, it's about fear of retaliation.

[sg1987]

Progressives can rationalize it to their hearts' content, as I'm sure they did in the countries that are now totally screwed up because of islamification.

I read this again and can’t help but wonder..... 1. if our founding fathers would view worldwide islamification as a light and transient cause. 2. Are we headed down a road that will one day place our grandchildren under absolute despotism?:munchin


…"it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

[Dusty]

I read this again and can’t help but wonder..... 1. if our founding fathers would view worldwide islamification as a light and transient cause. 2. Are we headed down a road that will one day place our grandchildren under absolute despotism?:munchin

1. No.
2. Yep.

[tonyz]

With a few exceptions, Islam only tolerates itself.

Ambivalence toward the problem is the friend of radical Islam.

Edited Excerpt from a recent NYT article by Thomas Freidman below - full article at link.

*******

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/14/opinion/thomas-friedman-we-need-another-giant-protest.html?_r=0

"The truth is there is a huge amount of ambivalence toward this whole jihadist phenomenon — more than any of us would like to believe — in the Arab-Muslim build Wahhabi-inspired mosques, websites and madrassas across the Muslim world — has tilted the entire Sunni community to the right. Look at a picture of female graduates of Cairo University in 1950. Few are wearing veils. Look at them today. Many are wearing veils. The open, soft, embracing Islam that defined Egypt for centuries — pray five times a day but wash it down with a beer at night — has been hardened by this Wahhabi wind from Arabia."

[tonyz]

A bit more complete section from Freidman's NYT article referred to above.

The truth is there is a huge amount of ambivalence toward this whole jihadist phenomenon — more than any of us would like to believe — in the Arab-Muslim world, Europe and America. This ambivalence starts in the Muslim community, where there is a deep cleavage over what constitutes authentic Islam today. We fool ourselves when we tell Muslims what “real Islam” is. Because Islam has no Vatican, no single source of religious authority, there are many Islams today. The puritanical Wahhabi/Salafi/jihadist strain is one of them, and its support is not insignificant.

Ambivalence runs through Europe today on the question of what a country should demand of new Muslim immigrants by way of adopting its values. Is Stratfor’s George Friedman right when he argues that Europeans adopted multiculturalism precisely because they didn’t really want to absorb their Muslim immigrants, and many of those Muslim immigrants, who went to Europe to find a job, not a new identity, didn’t want to be absorbed? If so, that spells trouble.

Ambivalence runs through Washington’s ties with Saudi Arabia. Ever since jihadists took over Islam’s holiest shrine in Mecca in 1979, proclaiming that Saudi Arabia’s rulers were not pious enough, Saudi Arabia has redoubled its commitment to Wahhabi or Salafist Islam — the most puritanical, anti-pluralistic and anti-women version of that faith. This Saudi right turn — combined with oil revenues used to build Wahhabi-inspired mosques, websites and madrassas across the Muslim world — has tilted the entire Sunni community to the right. Look at a picture of female graduates of Cairo University in 1950. Few are wearing veils. Look at them today. Many are wearing veils. The open, soft, embracing Islam that defined Egypt for centuries — pray five times a day but wash it down with a beer at night — has been hardened by this Wahhabi wind from Arabia.

But U.S. presidents never confront Saudi Arabia about this because of our oil addiction. As I’ve said, addicts never tell the truth to their pushers. The Saudi government opposes the jihadists. Unfortunately, though, it’s a very short step from Wahhabi Islam to the violent jihadism practiced by the Islamic State, or ISIS. The French terrorists were born in France but were marinated in Wahhabi-Salafi thought through the web and local mosques — not Voltaire.

Also, the other civil war in Islam — between Sunnis and Shiites — has led many mainstream Sunni charities, mosques and regimes to support jihadist groups because they’re ferocious fighters against Shiites. Finally — yet more ambivalence — for 60 years there was a tacit alliance between Arab dictators and their Sunni religious clergy. The regimes funded these uninspired Muslim clerics, and these clergy blessed the uninspired dictators — and both stifled the emergence of any authentic, inspired, reformist Islam that could take on Wahhabism-Salafism, even though many Muslims wanted it. An authentic reformation requires a free space in the Arab-Muslim world.

“Muslims need to ‘upgrade their software,’ which is programmed mainly by our schools, television and mosques — especially small mosques that trade in what is forbidden,” Egyptian intellectual Mamoun Fandy wrote in Al-Sharq Al-Awsat. (Also translated by Memri.org.) “There is no choice but to dismantle this system and rebuild it in a way that is compatible with human culture and values.”

In short, jihadist zeal is easy to condemn, but will require multiple revolutions to stem — revolutions that will require a lot of people in the Arab-Muslim world and West to shed their ambivalence and stop playing double games.

[Lionshare]

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[abc_123]

All this...

Yes, that's the one. Thanks.

[tonyz]

If the Muslim students in the OP were truly sensitive to others - this call to prayer idea would have been withdraw (even shelved if only temporarily) given what just happened in France.

Instead, I believe that this "non-event" portends what a steamroller Islam can be.

Radical Islam has grown in strength and reach by virtue of ambivalence and expanded under the guise of incrementalism. That is, first, a harmless call to prayer, then prayer rugs and footbaths in the dorms, then an honor killing or two, a call for Sharia to "police" their own...France and UK started small at first.

[Dusty]

Radical Islam has grown in strength and reach by virtue of ambivalence and expanded under the guise of incrementalism.

One of the tenets of alinskyism re: the progressos here.
Por ejemplo:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/01/14/obama-wants-expanded-access-to-fast-internet/

Nose in the tent.

This stuff is frustrating even when one is free to discuss openly in cyberspace; how you guy's gonna feel when it's unlawful to do so?

[Pete]

MOO - free country - free speech - private university.

Free speech - university???????

Time to wake up Rip.

[sg1987]

BINGO...we have a winner....

This is not about freedom of religion, it's about fear of retaliation.

yep....
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/01/15/charlie-hebdos-moment-why-some-media-outlets-are-afraid-to-run-cover/?intcmp=latestnews

[The Reaper]

You gottas love it when libtards support a religion that would set gays, women, abolitionists, atheists, academicians, evolutionists, minorities, democracies, human rights, and secularists back 800 years.

TR

[tonyz]

Ah tolerance...

It might get interesting if Duke educators provided another stimulating and intellectually diverse learning experience. What if they combined the existing budgets for the Duke LGBT student association, women's studies and Muslim student association - all into one pot of money.

Then, combine all office space and require the student organizations work out their respective budgets and schedule of events for the academic year - from the combined pot of money.

Finally, in the interest of higher education, each group would be required to attend and participate in the presentations and outreach programs put on by each respective group.

[MtnGoat]

http://calendar.duke.edu/events/index?cf%5B%5D=Religious%2FSpiritual

The chant will sound for three minutes at a "moderately amplified" level to announce the Jummah prayer service, held Friday afternoons in the chapel basement.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/14/duke-chapel-muslim-call-to-prayer_n_6471530.html

MOO - free country - free speech - private university.

Under our Constitution, their right to free speech and expression must be protected if yours is to be also.

If they allow the carilloning of bells and religious music to announce other services and seasonally celebratory events, what's the difference in allowing such a call to service for their Islamic students/faculty?

There's a Sikh society compound about 1/4 of a mile from my ranch and I can faintly hear their call to worship being sung - I almost called 911 the first time I heard it to get help for the poor devil wailing over the PA system who sounded as if he was in terrible pain from an agry ferret clamped to his testicles or something. It's a bit louder during their high holy periods but isn't overly intrusive so it's just ignored.

There are serious issues facing our society; I don't see this as one of them.

Others may disagree, but so it goes...

Richard

Yes we are a free country, but this isn't about the Constitution. Washington Duke isn't rolling over in his grave either. He was a Liberal of his period for sure. DUke could have said no because of them being a private university. But they didn't, this is start to spread and THEY will use the Constitution as their reasons when a university says no to them. Then that university will break and allow it.

No university will stand up to them unless they are currently a Christian university already. Got to love the good OL' USA. Hello UK we are about 10 years behind you.

As far as the number posted by Tonyz. I say this once you r country or area breaks either 2% or the 20% thresh hold, you are screwed. Seen it to often. This goes with anything, race, color or creed.

[Dusty]

You gottas love it when libtards support a religion that would set gays, women, abolitionists, atheists, academicians, evolutionists, minorities, democracies, human rights, and secularists back 800 years.

TR

lol They'd support hindus, zoroastrians and bokononists, too, if they beheaded journos.

[abc_123]

And, nevermind. Duke changed it's mind.

[Pete]

http://www.wral.com/duke-reverses-plan-to-allow-islamic-call-to-prayer-from-campus-chapel/14359650/

[Team Sergeant]

Good idea.


Duke reverses plan to allow Islamic call to prayer from campus chapel

Posted 3:50 p.m. today
Updated 7 minutes ago


Durham, N.C. — Two days after announcing that Islamic students would be broadcasting a weekly call to prayer from the Duke Chapel bell tower, Duke University officials abandoned that plan Thursday, citing the furor the move had created.

Members of the Duke Muslim Students Association were supposed to start the three-minute weekly call or chant, known as adhan or azan, on Friday afternoon. Now, the call to prayer will take place in a quad outside the chapel.

“Duke remains committed to fostering an inclusive, tolerant and welcoming campus for all of its students,” Michael Schoenfeld, Duke's vice president for public affairs and government relations, said in a statement. “However, it was clear that what was conceived as an effort to unify was not having the intended effect.”

Franklin Graham, the son of evangelist Rev. Billy Graham and the head of the international relief organization Samaritan's Purse, on Wednesday blasted Duke's decision to allow Islamic prayers from the bell tower. In a post on his Facebook page, he said followers of Islam are "butchering" people who don't share their beliefs.

In a Thursday interview with WRAL News, Graham refused to back down, even for those Muslims who have condemned radical Islamic actions.

"I don't feel I owe an apology to anybody. I think Duke University, they owe an apology," he said. "They're the ones who owe the apology to Christian students and the ones who donated money for the chapel."

Islamic students have used the chapel basement for prayers for several years. Schoenfeld said most of the prayers would continue in the basement after the initial call in the quad, which he said is used for many interfaith activities.

More than 700 of Duke’s 15,000 undergraduate and graduate students identify themselves as Muslims.

cont:

Read more at http://www.wral.com/duke-reverses-plan-to-allow-islamic-call-to-prayer-from-campus-chapel/14359650/#JsV4LhoMv36xesTP.99

[Dusty]

And, nevermind. Duke changed it's mind.

lol Jerry Boykin is from Wilson. He must have called and said he was on the way over.

[tonyz]

“Duke remains committed to fostering an inclusive, tolerant and welcoming campus for all of its students,” Michael Schoenfeld, Duke's vice president for public affairs and government relations, said in a statement.


The irony is probably lost on this bureaucrat/lobbyist.

[alelks]

Unless I'm mistaken they took this from a satire site. I think it started here: http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=29931

And then there is this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/01/15/duke-university-reverses-decision-cancels-weekly-muslim-call-to-prayer/

[Richard]

I think this pretty much tells it like it is for those students today.

Richard

[Sigaba]

From The Atlantic's website. <<SOURCE (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/01/for-whom-the-muezzin-calls-duke-muslim-call-prayer/384562/)>>Omid Safi, who directs the Duke Islamic Studies Center, said he was disappointed but told me there had been "numerous verified instances of credible threats" against members of the university community.

"My disappointment is primarily directed toward people who find it acceptable to have recourse to violence, even the threat of violence, to make the point they want to make—particularly if they see these threats as being substantiated by their own religious conviction," Safi said. "We all know about the Muslim community having our crazies, but it seems like we don’t have a monopoly on it."

Safety of students in an understandable reason for caution, though Duke's half-measure seems unlikely to pacify malevolent objectors: There's still a public call to prayer, after all. Meanwhile, the threat of violence has triumphed over the right to religious expression. At a time when much of the world, appalled by the Charlie Hebdo massacre, is rightly standing up for the right to say things that offend Muslims, a peaceful gesture by Muslims has been quashed by a threat of violence—much of it emanating from Christians.IMO, this is a hollow victory for those opposed to Duke University's plan.

[Dusty]

From The Atlantic's website. <<SOURCE (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/01/for-whom-the-muezzin-calls-duke-muslim-call-prayer/384562/)>>IMO, this is a hollow victory for those opposed to Duke University's plan.

Well, it's quite ironic to hear a muslim snivel about "threat(s) of violence".

[craigepo]

Why not just make all of the female students at Duke wear a veil? And how dare those campus restaurants serve pork? Homosexuals at Duke?!?! They deserve to die. How about some arranged marriages between muslim men and some 12-year-old girls?

What if, during the call to prayer, we put youtube videos of beheadings on a big flat screen? Maybe we could get some Boko Haram reenactors to walk us through some large-scale kidnappings of Christian kids? I wonder if a muslim law student might talk about how great it is that there are so many people in muslim prisons for having a faith other than islam, kind of a comparative government thingie?

Oh, could someone explain to me that tax on non-muslims again? And that whole "can't possess a Bible or Torah" deal. And the rules against Christian churches in muslim countries. And why women are treated as property. And why we can't doodle a picture of mohammed without getting some damned fatwa levied against us.

I have to wonder, with such a marvelous track record in the last few years, what were those people praying for? al Shabaab, anyone? al Queda? Caliphate?

Everyone (in a Judeo-Christian nation at least) is entitled to their own opinion. No one is entitled to their own facts.

[Snaquebite]

They claim they cancelled this because of a "real and credible security threat" YEAH...real and credible "security" to their bank account when all the alumni and donators threatened to stop the money.