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Team Sergeant
11-21-2014, 15:05
In a new Facebook video released by the White House, Obama reflects on his historic immigration reform speech by reminding Americans why he had to act to give 5 million illegal aliens amnesty.
I'll be cleaning and oiling my weapons. The spineless cowards at DHS have been told to stand down and allow criminals aliens to stay in this country.
I'm guessing DHS is being run by women, or men without spines.
Why do we even bother with paying a Border Patrol to watch the borders?
Instant 5 million, soon to be voting, democrats on welfare. And what does the GOP do, nothing.
I'm so pissed I can't see straight.
A Nation without borders is not a Nation. Is this what our predecessors fought and died for? Is this what millions of legal immigrants who paid their dues in time and money came here for? The land of milk and honey indeed. Well, America's tits are sore, and these bee stings are whittling down this Nations fabric.
It's all a numbers game TS with 'highly' intelligent academics and economists running the numbers with magical results......like Obamcare!
Next up , the contrived Show down at Ferguson starring 'Direct Action' activist Lisa Fithian and a whole host of filth that has been allowed to crawl from the sewers an infect those in close proximity.
Well, at least I should be able to get my order straight when I go through the Hardee's Drive Through on the Murk in a couple of months.
NC unemployment - White somewhere between 5 & 6%, Latino around 7%, Black around 17%.
Anyone want to place any bets on the 2016 numbers?
I am an optimist,
I think berry's timing for his self-coronation has something to do with the lack of GOP response.
Putting the Ferguson announcement aside and the Thanksgiving Congressional brake is giving the perception that the GPO is a bunch of limp dicks.
It Didn't leave the GOP much time to get any type of legal paper shuffle started.
berry didn't allow the GOP to see the content so they had nothing to get a court order for.
I hope, after the brake, the GOP will start the paperwork for d-throning queen berry..
Lighthouse
11-21-2014, 18:19
What's also about this whole thing is the immigrants don't realize they are nothing more then just pawns to the democratic party. Barry could've done this for the last year but didn't until he saw how little support him and his party has this last election.
It's all an effort to establish the base for the democratic party next election. Looks like there might be a Hilary 2016.
So looks it is finally time do that 80% lower build now...
Go Devil
11-22-2014, 08:46
If the rule of law is to be ignored by TBTB, then I will follow suit.
Maybe adopt a few social security numbers, adjust my W2, hide my properties, and start manufacturing open bolt firearms.
What's also about this whole thing is the immigrants don't realize they are nothing more then just pawns to the democratic party. Barry could've done this for the last year but didn't until he saw how little support him and his party has this last election.
It's all an effort to establish the base for the democratic party next election. Looks like there might be a Hilary 2016.
So looks it is finally time do that 80% lower build now...
Since when can legal aliens vote?
Since when can legal aliens vote?
Are you asking legally or illegally?
Since when can legal aliens vote?
Heck, my grandfather in Chicago voted Republican until the day he died. Now he votes Democrat. ;)
Pat
Team Sergeant
11-22-2014, 12:08
If the rule of law is to be ignored by TBTB, then I will follow suit.
Maybe adopt a few social security numbers, adjust my W2, hide my properties, and start manufacturing open bolt firearms.
Don't forget to pick up a 3D printer before the socialist government outlaws them too...... ;)
Lighthouse
11-22-2014, 13:54
Since when can legal aliens vote?
My stepfather came here from Guatemala illegally. I don't know how he does it but he votes. My mother and him were never married and he isn't married now. Faithful democrat.
Since when can legal aliens vote?
They can vote here - whether it counts or not is another matter.
If they are not on the polling station's rolls, they can show an ID such as a DL with a district address and then sign for a numbered paper ballot. The completed ballots are placed by the voter into a secure storage container which electronically scans and records the ballot number, and stores the ballots. The polling place people do not have access to the container's contents.
Once the polls close, the containers are taken to the county elections offices where the ballots are then removed and individually checked against the county's official rolls of "registered" voters before they are counted - not registered, not counted.
The counting of ballots for the recent elections took over 2 weeks and the certification of results was just announced this past week.
It takes awhile to do it this way, but it seems pretty fair and accurate to me.
Richard
Badger52
11-22-2014, 17:19
I hope, after the brake, the GOP will start the paperwork for d-throning queen berry..I would LOVE to be wrong but I don't see even the GOP-elect doing anything close to that. Really would love to see them show Reid what a true "nuclear" option is, but will not hold my breath.
:rolleyes:
The Reaper
11-22-2014, 17:49
I would LOVE to be wrong but I don't see even the GOP-elect doing anything close to that. Really would love to see them show Reid what a true "nuclear" option is, but will not hold my breath.
:rolleyes:
Sadly, I must concur.
TR
I agree CA has a pretty good system
Now there's something you don't hear every day.
joshua20
11-23-2014, 16:35
US will soon be mexico, and we will be border hopping into Canada
US will soon be mexico, and we will be border hopping into Canada
żY porque?:p
Ypu have to show id and be on a registerd list to vote. Better than many other states. It is one thing they do right there.
I don't recall ever having to show ID to vote. The the CA Secretary of State's (cached) website:
Will I need to bring identification?
In most cases, California voters are not required to show identification at their polling place. However, it is a good idea to bring identification with you when you vote for the first time. A poll worker may ask to see your identification if you mailed your voter registration application and did not include your driver license number, California identification number, or the last four digits of your Social Security number.
A copy of a recent utility bill, the sample ballot booklet you received from your county elections office, or another document sent to you by a government agency are examples of acceptable forms of identification. Other examples include your passport, driver license, official California identification card, or student identification card.
For more information on identification to use when you vote for the first time check the complete list or call the Secretary of State's toll-free voter hotline at (800) 345-VOTE (8683).
The link is to the cached site because their site is down at the moment: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:elZ1XfkCs-4J:www.sos.ca.gov/elections/new-voter/where-how-vote.htm+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Pat
I don't recall ever having to show ID to vote. Pat
I was required to show a picture ID to vote here in Sacramento County 3 weeks ago and so was everyone else I saw come in to vote while I was in the polling place.
Richard
I was required to show a picture ID to vote here in Sacramento County 3 weeks ago and so was everyone else I saw come in to vote while I was in the polling place.
Richard
I lived in L.A. county. Whole different game there. ;) I asked once if I needed ID and was told, "No." Then they asked which party and I said, "Reptilian". They just glared at me. :D TSA agents I reckon.
Pat
Golf1echo
11-24-2014, 08:46
I lived in L.A. county. Whole different game there. ;) I asked once if I needed ID and was told, "No." Then they asked which party and I said, "Reptilian". They just glared at me. :D TSA agents I reckon.
Pat
Hmmm ...?
craigepo
11-24-2014, 09:36
You might not believe this, but even Saturday Night Live is having fun at the President's expense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUDSeb2zHQ0
You might not believe this, but even Saturday Night Live is having fun at the President's expense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUDSeb2zHQ0
Yeah, that was a good one. SNL's usually left-leaning on politics but they'll bash Obama once if they've got a good idea. Here's a hard-to-find skit from 10/2009, his first year:
http://vimeo.com/6966475
SNL is too PC now so it's rare that we get anything great.
KingRichards
11-24-2014, 13:44
Good afternoon guys, I just wanted to drop in and lend my two cents.
To start, I would just like to state and make clear that I do not have the benefit of years to give me perspective on this issue, but it concerns me and interests me none the less.
So lets take the fact that our president is ignoring his oath of office and refusing to uphold established law and thereby breaking the law himself, and set it aside. Do you not think that there is a problem with our immigration system as it is? What I mean by that is the simple fact that it costs more money to complete the process to immigrate than most middle class families have in cash after taxes/bills at the end of the year (roughly $10,000 if you don't have to repeat steps in the process) and we expect people in rural Latin America to abide by this process and emigrate to the U.S. legally? Now, as I have said before, I don't have any real perspective to base a solution on (hell I don't even live near the border), but I'm curious as to what you guys would suggest as a solution to this problem, god knows our dysfunctional government can't find one.
Richards
(1VB)compforce
11-24-2014, 14:03
What I mean by that is the simple fact that it costs more money to complete the process to immigrate than most middle class families have in cash after taxes/bills at the end of the year
Richards
Please cite your source for this statement.
Simple answer to your very complicated question:
1) Close the borders. Seal them. Every other country in the world that wants to close their border does, why can't we if we are the best? It's because what they call countries, we call states. What they call a union we call a country. Let the states that border the exterior of the country close their own external borders while leaving the internal ones open. Take the power from the federal government and give it to the states. Let the feds help fund it if needed, but let the states decide how to police their own borders.
2) anyone found here that is here illegally gets deported, no exceptions. The only trial should be the determination of whether they are here illegally. Forget the feel good crap, they are here in violation of the law. Send them back as we find them.
3) Divert all of the resources (money and people) currently being used to help illegals to one of two places. One, securing the border, two expediting the legal immigration process.
I used to believe in a pathway to citizenship (after securing the border). I now realize the pathway already exists. It's the immigration system.
The Reaper
11-24-2014, 14:26
Good afternoon guys, I just wanted to drop in and lend my two cents.
To start, I would just like to state and make clear that I do not have the benefit of years to give me perspective on this issue, but it concerns me and interests me none the less.
So lets take the fact that our president is ignoring his oath of office and refusing to uphold established law and thereby breaking the law himself, and set it aside. Do you not think that there is a problem with our immigration system as it is? What I mean by that is the simple fact that it costs more money to complete the process to immigrate than most middle class families have in cash after taxes/bills at the end of the year (roughly $10,000 if you don't have to repeat steps in the process) and we expect people in rural Latin America to abide by this process and emigrate to the U.S. legally? Now, as I have said before, I don't have any real perspective to base a solution on (hell I don't even live near the border), but I'm curious as to what you guys would suggest as a solution to this problem, god knows our dysfunctional government can't find one.
Richards
People from Central and South America, and all around the globe, apply and receive permission to legally immigrate to the United States every day.
Most of those eventually go through the process to become U.S. citizens.
If you need more immigrants, you loosen the requirements for the ones you want. Too many, and you raise standards and accept fewer applicants.
Should you need ten million farm workers, you allow more to immigrate on short term visas, unless you expect a long-term requirement. Then you create long-term solutions for legal immigration. Overpopulation, excessive crime, unemployment, poverty, or political expediency should not be excuses for violating our international borders.
Those who break the law, overstay or otherwise violate their visa conditions are incarcerated or deported with severe limitations on their ability to return.
Nation states erect security devices and control measures to control their borders, and thus, secure their borders for a number of purposes, to include immigration. This is accepted in law and in international norms. Given the events of 9/11 through today, and the status of the conspirators who have attacked us, this should be a priority.
That is the way it works in most civilized countries in the world.
Why is it wrong?
There is not, as of yet, a North American state with free movement across the current international borders.
Nor should there be.
Secure our borders. Enforce the law (the ones passed according to the U.S. Constitution, not the ones the POTUS unilaterally creates). Defend our sovereignty. Reform legal immigration and pass new laws to codify it.
TR
Obama supports Mexican racism.
In Mexico, racism hides in plain view
By Ruben Navarrette Jr., CNN Contributor
updated 11:01 AM EST, Tue November 20, 2012:
The enduring taboo subject [in Mexico] is skin color, whether an individual's complexion betrays an allegiance to the Spanish who conquered the Aztec empire in 1521 or the Aztecs who were conquered. It's no exaggeration to say that, in this country and especially in [Mexico City], the best, highest-paying, most important jobs often seem to go to those who, in addition to having the best education and the strongest connections, have the lightest skin.
On television, in politics and in academia, you see light-skinned people. On construction sites, in police forces and in restaurant kitchens, you're more likely to find those who are dark-skinned. In the priciest neighborhoods, the homeowners have light skin, and the housekeepers are dark. Everyone knows this, and yet no one talks about it, at least not in elite circles.
Nor do Mexicans seem all that eager to discuss the larger dynamic that race feeds into: the fact that this is, and has always been, a country of deep divisions. In the 100 years since the Mexican Revolution, one part of Mexico has often been at war with another: urban vs. rural, rich vs. poor and, yes, dark-skinned vs. light-skinned.
It's one reason that institutions such as the economy, the political system and the social structure haven't matured as quickly as they should have, given Mexico's advantages.
This country of 120 million people has ports, highways, airports and skyscrapers. It takes in billions of dollars every year in revenues from oil and natural gas, and billions more from tourism and remittances from Mexican migrants living abroad. Mexico's economy is growing faster than the U.S. economy, and investments are flowing in from Asia and Europe. It's consistently within the top three of trading partners for the United States. But what good is all that when only a small number of the population can live up to their full potential? Prejudice kills progress.
The hour is late. It's time for Mexico to confront the color line and free itself of its past. Or it won't have much of a future.
Full commentary: http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/20/opinion/navarrette-mexico-racism/
Obama is helping Mexico rid itself of it's dark-skinned population. How loud would he howl if it was, say, Canada.?
Pat
With regard to deportations. All those found to be here illegally shall be sentenced to 90 days labor for the first violation, 180 days for the second, 360 for the third and so on. Sentence will be served manually cleaning fish at a new Prudo Bay, AK cannery (situated so they can see Russia). Those with minors will serve the children's sentences. Those that have violated any other laws, will be adjudicated and serve sentences cleaning fish concurrently.
Facilities will be gulag cold or Arizona tent city hot as further disincentives.
Incentive to self-deport, disincentive to return.
I'm curious as to what you guys would suggest as a solution to this problem, god knows our dysfunctional government can't find one.
And yet that is the job for which they campaigned. I expect my leaders to solve problems, not change the rules at their leisure.
A close friend of mine married a girl from Brazil. I don't recall the time nor expense required for her permanent residency application, except to say that they were not trivial. But the really sad part is that it took well over a year for her parents' visas to be approved so that they could come visit their grandson.
Turns out, all they had to do was walk across the border unannounced and be welcomed with open arms. Why does the discussion always revolve around making life easier for those who have already broken the law? Why are our leaders not instead discussing ways to ease the burden of LEGAL immigration? Perhaps they are and I am simply mis-/uninformed...I doubt it.
(KingRichards - my questions are largely rhetorical and are not directed at you personally; I merely used your comment as a baseline for my response.)
Badger52
11-24-2014, 17:31
Why are our leaders not instead discussing ways to ease the burden of LEGAL immigration? Perhaps they are and I am simply mis-/uninformed...I doubt it.In simplistic terms...
One group is (probably) statistically more likely to have the wherewithal & be self-starters - not likely to need much in the way of hand-outs. Ergo, no quid pro quo is possible. The other group is largely fully expectant of being cared & provided for.
Which one looks like a better voter base that would be beholden to the thief who has robbed Peter to pay Paul (or Pedro or whoever)?
Immigration policy should be more like professional sports recruiting in my opinion.
A sports team's victory begins and ends(with a whole lot of other stuff in the middle) with effective recruiting.
Keep it simple.
Each new team mate added to the team should bring the team average UP.
Any policy that results in each new team mate added bringing DOWN the team average needs to be destroyed with a flamethrower.
It is policy that will inevitably lead to failure.
You could solve this problem overnight with a single TV commercial during the Superbowl:
Put a few illegal aliens with Tuberculosis, Hepatitis, and poor physical/cognitive development in Dallas Cowboys uniforms on their Offensive line to represent a dangerous recruiting/immigration policy for "America's Team".
Then have the 1991 Philadelphia Eagles defense blitz and put Tony Romo in the morgue.
Maybe finish with a bunch of Chinese and Russians in the VIP seats laughing it up.
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It's not hard.
I've moved from A to B internationally.
I had a guarantee of permanent residency based on a simple and straight forward official/documented paper trail.
IIRC it took about a week to put my packet together and another week for them to verify it all. At my one and only meeting with the Immigration authority after the meeting they handed me a letter documenting the offer of permanent residency.
It's a free agent world.
The US should be working harder to hoover up the world's best players and more effectively cutting the involuntary deadwood off the bench.
Team management that bring down the team's talent average and their win/loss average usually get fired.
craigepo
11-24-2014, 19:34
Immigration policy should be more like professional sports recruiting in my opinion.
A sports team's victory begins and ends(with a whole lot of other stuff in the middle) with effective recruiting.
Keep it simple.
Each new team mate added to the team should bring the team average UP.
Any policy that results in each new team mate added bringing DOWN the team average needs to be destroyed with a flamethrower.
It is policy that will inevitably lead to failure.
You could solve this problem overnight with a single TV commercial during the Superbowl:
Put a few illegal aliens with Tuberculosis, Hepatitis, and poor physical/cognitive development in Dallas Cowboys uniforms on their Offensive line to represent a dangerous recruiting/immigration policy for "America's Team".
Then have the 1991 Philadelphia Eagles defense blitz and put Tony Romo in the morgue.
Maybe finish with a bunch of Chinese and Russians in the VIP seats laughing it up.
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It's not hard.
I've moved from A to B internationally.
I had a guarantee of permanent residency based on a simple and straight forward official/documented paper trail.
IIRC it took about a week to put my packet together and another week for them to verify it all. At my one and only meeting with the Immigration authority after the meeting they handed me a letter documenting the offer of permanent residency.
It's a free agent world.
The US should be working harder to hoover up the world's best players and more effectively cutting the involuntary deadwood off the bench.
Team management that bring down the team's talent average and their win/loss average usually get fired.
Interestingly, one of Hitler's fears of the United States, long term, was that the world's talent would all wind up in the United States. One could argue that such a migration has been happening for some time.
Golf1echo
11-24-2014, 22:53
Here are a couple of countries with interesting immigration policies.
Iceland has a proactive immigration component where they do actually recruit immigrants from around the world, what little I know of that program is they are looking for stable families that will add and contribute to the area they will immigrate to.
http://www.mcc.is/english/extra/immigrate-to-iceland/non-eea
Switzerland like the United States share the attribute that a tremendous number of immigrants from around the world would find either country a desirable place to reside. Swiss policies are by nature protective and restrictive with an eye for preserving what makes Switzerland Swiss.
https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home.html
I understand that immigration law is complicated, it is the law and it should be changed if the people want it to be different...or we have nothing more than an arbitrary, disconnected, inequitable, and unenforceable system not based in law. I would hope our system would encourage the best and brightest the innovative and the industrious to come stay and contribute making this country better stronger more capable.
Work programs have fulfilled needs of temporary fluctuation or or migratory work here in the past. Much like the J2 student visa programs participants sign up for a prescribed period which is administered.
Enforcement is a huge component from deportations, prosecutions, revenue and license enforcement. employer sanctions, sanctuary and abetting statutes, a secured border, etc...
A big negative of illegal immigration is the lack of context, the legal immigration process has always made efforts to indoctrinate the new immigrant into the United States fabric with contextual information...we are A Nation of many not many different nations!
It is difficult to understand why anyone would want an immigration system not based on merit, it surely is in the interest of the country as a whole to build and invest back into itself.
MOO
Here are a couple of countries with interesting immigration policies.
Iceland has a proactive immigration component where they do actually recruit immigrants from around the world, what little I know of that program is they are looking for stable families that will add and contribute to the area they will immigrate to.
http://www.mcc.is/english/extra/immigrate-to-iceland/non-eea
Switzerland like the United States share the attribute that a tremendous number of immigrants from around the world would find either country a desirable place to reside. Swiss policies are by nature protective and restrictive with an eye for preserving what makes Switzerland Swiss.
https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home.html
I understand that immigration law is complicated, it is the law and it should be changed if the people want it to be different...or we have nothing more than an arbitrary, disconnected, inequitable, and unenforceable system not based in law. I would hope our system would encourage the best and brightest the innovative and the industrious to come stay and contribute making this country better stronger more capable.
Work programs have fulfilled needs of temporary fluctuation or or migratory work here in the past. Much like the J2 student visa programs participants sign up for a prescribed period which is administered.
Enforcement is a huge component from deportations, prosecutions, revenue and license enforcement. employer sanctions, sanctuary and abetting statutes, a secured border, etc...
A big negative of illegal immigration is the lack of context, the legal immigration process has always made efforts to indoctrinate the new immigrant into the United States fabric with contextual information...we are A Nation of many not many different nations!
It is difficult to understand why anyone would want an immigration system not based on merit, it surely is in the interest of the country as a whole to build and invest back into itself.
MOO
One thing I have heard about Swiss Immigration is that your local community has a LOT of say in your attempt to convert residency into citizenship(10 year minimum path I believe).
It gets put to a vote(or so I'm told).
If true I could imagine such a policy leading to a more positive and successful civil society.
Interestingly, one of Hitler's fears of the United States, long term, was that the world's talent would all wind up in the United States. One could argue that such a migration has been happening for some time.
One big advantage of the US is its higher education system acting as a beacon for many of the world's best and brightest.
Sure there are some vulnerabilities with some students(China), but I would think the advantages/opportunities far outweigh them.
Golf1echo
11-25-2014, 09:35
One thing I have heard about Swiss Immigration is that your local community has a LOT of say in your attempt to convert residency into citizenship(10 year minimum path I believe).
It gets put to a vote(or so I'm told).
If true I could imagine such a policy leading to a more positive and successful civil society.
Swiss citizenship / Naturalization
It is in Switzerland’s interest that well-integrated foreigners take up Swiss nationality. In the first place, the communes and cantons are responsible for naturalization matters. The Federal Government lays down the relevant criteria.
https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/themen/buergerrecht.html
Stepping up and owning the place and people you belong to, imagine.
PedOncoDoc
11-25-2014, 11:21
It's a shame we can't apply the same logic to firearms - he did not possess any illegal firearms, he only had undocumented firearms. :rolleyes:
(1VB)compforce
11-26-2014, 06:44
And it turns out that they, democrats, are already set up for the next step. In negotiating it's called "nibbling".
Here's how it plays out. The Executive Order deliberately excludes public welfare, including health care, from the benefits granted to the 5 million. Obamacare, via the employer mandate, forces companies with more than 50 employees to provide health care for all employees or pay a penalty of $3000 per employee THAT SIGNS UP FOR SUBSIDIES OR ON AN EXCHANGE. Since the illegals can't get subsidies or the exchange, but they can work under the EO there is a built-in economic advantage to hiring an illegal over hiring an American citizen.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/25/obama-amnesty-obamacare-clash-businesses-have-3000/
The article discusses removing the employer mandate as the fix for the problem. That's valid, it would fix it. But, if we assume the goal is to take small steps towards making the illegals legal there's another solution that instantly fixes the problem and can be done under the guise of helping even the playing field for Americans... Just give the illegals the right to health care and subsidies. I expect to see this kind of tactic continue as we move forward. Over the next 3 months expect to see movement to try to give subsidized health care, welfare and voting rights to the illegals. If all three are achieved, the democrats will have a practically unbeatable voting block and our country will be the next third world nation in a very short time.
Oh and for the members of the black population in the low skill markets, the group with the highest unemployment rate, do you really think you'll be able to get a job when the illegals are 7-10% less expensive to hire for the same job? This policy isn't good for anyone except the illegals and the democrats.
I have a slightly diffrent view of how to deal with the immegration issue. First off big companies make/save millions if not billions of dolllars every year using illegal immigrants insted of legal immigrants or US citizens. Used to be migrant farm workers did just low end seasonal jobs but not now. The logging industry is a prime example of how they now use mostly illegals, pay them lower, and even if citizens get in the job the wages have been driven down.
So here is my solution. Raid the places like normal. Deport the workers same as usual. Then go to the front office and arrest every swinging richard in the office that hired the illegals and throw their ass in federal prison for 20 years or so. Not club fed, no I am talking about hard core prison. The jobs for illegals will dry up and then it will cut back the illegals coming here to work.
Next the ones coming here are obviously not looking for work cuz there are no jobs for them. Then hit them hard ie drug runners etc. Can you say death penalty for running drugs across the border no matter what you nationality is etc.
Or companies are fined a draconian percentage (v. a fixed amount) of their profits that increase each time they are caught employing illegals
But, we are fantasizing. Neither party will ever do it.
We're doomed.
Badger52
11-26-2014, 12:53
Or companies are fined a DRACONIAN percentage (v. a fixed amount) of their profits that increase each time they are caught employing illegalsOK, I'll ride with that as long as there's 3-strikes you're out. None of this stuff that goes on with driving slaps like "Dispatch I'm clear, citation issued, Operating After Revocation #14."
But you're right; there be not the huevos on either side to do anything like that. Nothing will happen until the word 'illegal' is defined as self-sufficient, as the word is constructed.
But, we are fantasizing. Neither party will ever do it.
We're doomed.
It was kind of done in 2008 here in Iowa and it was very effective, pretty much wiped the community of Postville out. A lot of people were making a lot of money off the illegals. It was very effective, it's just a lot easier in this country to look the other way.
POSTVILLE, Iowa — A raid at a northeastern Iowa meat processing plant this week was the largest in U.S. history, federal authorities said.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials say 390 people were arrested on immigration charges after Monday’s raid at Agriprocessors Inc. in Postville. The facility is the world’s largest kosher meatpacking plant.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24583537/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/iowa-immigration-raid-largest-ever-us/#.VHZUbcZMvIU
Badger52
11-26-2014, 16:48
Was a similar meat-plant 'bout 30 miles away south of here years ago, same situation. Health violations took out that operation. The Deputies in the county probably celebrated since they & dispatch no longer had to wrangle with 4 hyphenated last names during traffic stops.
:rolleyes:
(maybe they all migrated down to Postville)
Yea they arrested 390 illegals and sent them back. Not one place did I see where they arrested and jailed the US citizens responsible for hiring them or levy large fines against the company. Throw the CEO's ass in prison for 20 or so years and fine the company a billion dollars. After you start doing that the hiring of illegals by these companies will almost disappear.
"The plant manager ended up getting 27 years in prison he was up to his eyeballs in fraud including the hiring of the illegals. "
Although the case against Mr. Rubashkin originally centered on immigration charges, during the trial in Sioux Falls, S.D., prosecutors focused instead on financial abuses when he was in charge of the Agriprocessors slaughterhouse in Postville, Iowa.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/22/us/22iowa.html?_r=0
Ahh missed that part. Good, that needs to happen every time.
That part was not in the first article I posted, I could not remember the guys name and it took me awhile to find it. They went after this guy like they should go after all the people responsible for letting this take place in their businesses. It can be done.
^ Cases like these were worked all over the US prior to Obama's presidency. Shortly after Agriprocessors happened, he directed ICE to stop doing workplace raids and large deportations.
ddoering
11-27-2014, 08:19
But illegals are only doing the jobs that Americans don't want to do......
I remember about 10 years ago, ICE raided the Tyson chicken processing plant in Smithfield, NC. They rounded up almost a 1000 illegals. Plant was functioning the very next day..... from Americans who took the jobs.
(1VB)compforce
11-27-2014, 10:16
I remember about 10 years ago, ICE raided the Tyson chicken processing plant in Smithfield, NC. They rounded up almost a 1000 illegals. Plant was functioning the very next day..... from Americans who took the jobs.
But... but.... American's won't do those jobs