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LarryW
09-12-2014, 06:18
The world knows the American military can do the job, just as they know POTUS is incapable of leading it.

The Arab nations response is "tepid".

Arabs Give Tepid Support to U.S. Fight Against ISIS
By Anne Barnard and David D. Kirkpatrick, SEPT. 11, 2014

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/12/world/middleeast/arabs-give-tepid-support-to-us-fight-against-isis.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=LedeSum&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=1

BEIRUT, Lebanon — Many Arab governments grumbled quietly in 2011 as the United States left Iraq, fearful it might fall deeper into chaos or Iranian influence. Now, the United States is back and getting a less than enthusiastic welcome, with leading allies like Egypt, Jordan and Turkey all finding ways on Thursday to avoid specific commitments to President Obama’s expanded military campaign against Sunni extremists.

As the prospect of the first American strikes inside Syria crackled through the region, the mixed reactions underscored the challenges of a new military intervention in the Middle East, where 13 years of chaos, from Sept. 11 through the Arab Spring revolts, have deepened political and sectarian divisions and increased mistrust of the United States on all sides.

“As a student of terrorism for the last 30 years, I am afraid of that formula of ‘supporting the American effort,’ ” said Diaa Rashwan, a scholar at the Al-Ahram Center for Political and Strategic Studies, a government-funded policy organization in Cairo. “It is very dangerous.”

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The Britons appear to be using BHO’s playbook. Internal “disarray” is the game.

UK disarray over Syria airstrikes: Foreign Secretary says we won't join US in bombing Islamic State, then No10 says 'we don't rule anything out'
By Jason Groves And David Williams for The Daily Mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2752434/Doubts-UK-join-air-strikes-against-ISIS-Syria-No-10-overrules-Foreign-Secretary-Philip-Hammond.html

Downing Street was forced to overrule the Foreign Secretary last night after he dismissed the prospect of UK air strikes against Islamic extremists in Syria.

Philip Hammond risked opening a rift with Barack Obama after saying Britain would not join US-led strikes against Islamic State fanatics.

Asked about plans for an open-ended bombing campaign, Mr Hammond said: ‘Let me be clear – Britain will not be taking part in any air strikes in Syria. We have already had that discussion in our parliament last year and we won’t be revisiting that position.’

But his comments provoked alarm at Number 10, which is anxious to present a united front on the US strategy unveiled by the President on Wednesday.

Hours after Mr Hammond’s appearance in Germany, the Prime Minister’s official spokesman insisted Mr Cameron was ‘not ruling anything out’.

He said a decision had not yet been made on whether Britain would join air strikes on IS targets inside Syria, but stressed that the Islamist fanatics had to be tackled both there and in Iraq.

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Good luck, Gen Allen. Semper Fi.

MtnGoat
09-12-2014, 10:20
I agree 1000%... Smoke and Mirrors going on because no one has any respect for the USA right now.

Really frinkin SAD!!

Our Goverment, with all the different Departments (Justice, Treasury, Commerce, ETC) should be doing a lot more. But one factor is the way we as a NAtion play with our own Laws to slow the process and actions down.

LarryW
09-12-2014, 14:21
This coalition idea is a pipe dream. The Arabs will cooperate as long as it is in their best interest. They will knock back ISIS but not destroy them, but instead keep them alive to keep US cash flow coming in. Pakistan is a prime example of what will happen there at best.

Also every nation has their own best interest at heart, that includes UK and other European countries. We need to do what is best for this nation and screw everyone else. If they want to join in fine but on our terms not theirs. This UN/NATO/ Charlie Foxtrot alliance fantasy bullshit needs to stop.

Absolutely.

Consider what kind of strategy will be needed in the 2015 Congress and in the 2017 WH to deal with this CF. This initial "strategy" will get us in the war but the shitty leadership will fail unless the flip-flops on the ground can pull off a miracle. What comes after will tell the tale.

What will be needed in 2017? Beats the hell out of this tea-reader. Are we there yet? Oh, hell yes. (Px6)

rubberneck
09-12-2014, 14:30
This coalition idea is a pipe dream. The Arabs will cooperate as long as it is in their best interest. They will knock back ISIS but not destroy them, but instead keep them alive to keep US cash flow coming in. Pakistan is a prime example of what will happen there at best.

Also every nation has their own best interest at heart, that includes UK and other European countries. We need to do what is best for this nation and screw everyone else. If they want to join in fine but on our terms not theirs. This UN/NATO/ Charlie Foxtrot alliance fantasy bullshit needs to stop.

I don't think the Arabs will cooperate. They've learned over the last 25 years its much better for them domestically to let us do their bidding while pretending to be contemptuous of our actions. They get what they want without pissing off the natives.

As for our buddies in Turkey maybe we should recognize a kurdish state and offer them membership in NATO while moving to strip the Turks of theirs. I'm sure they'd show more appreciation than the Turks have.