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brewmonkey
12-10-2004, 20:32
http://www.fortmorgantimes.com/Stories/0,1413,164~8312~2580513,00.html
Read the article and look at the picture of the soldier. That is not an SF patch that I am aware of (looks like 3rd ACR), he is wearing no wings, and the crest on his beret even looks like something from the ACR. The article also mentions that his "Green Beret school" was 5 weeks long.
Looks like some young PFC is needing his shit wired tight for him.
Looks like I'll be making some phone calls the next couple days. :rolleyes:
The Reaper
12-10-2004, 21:28
Already sent an email to the editor, considering tracking the young man's 1SG or CO down and passing this on to them.
TR
Sacamuelas
12-10-2004, 21:32
LOL
On Nov. 24 of this year in Fort Benning, Ga., Chabot realized that goal by becoming the lowest ranking -- his rank is currently classified -- and the youngest graduate of the Army's Green Beret Special Forces sniper training since the school was founded during the Vietnam War. Of the 8,000 people in his pool who applied to attend the Green Beret school, Chabot was one of two selected to attend.
Ambush Master
12-10-2004, 21:38
Can we say: "HE BE FOOKED!!!!"
Time for a Hymn !!!
Him, Him,.....
The Reaper
12-10-2004, 21:41
Well, from his flash, he would appear to be a 10th Group guy....
TR
smokfire
12-10-2004, 21:48
The only thing he's classified as is a dumbass.
smokfire
NousDefionsDoc
12-10-2004, 21:50
"It's all a big blur kind of; it was so horrible," Chabot said in a phone conversation from Fort Carson in Colorado Springs.
What the hell are Longrange and Sinister doin' to those young pups? LOL :munchin
POSER! Takes special breed all right - a special breed of dumbass to get your pic in the paper.
"Outnumbered but never outgunned"! Bwaaaa!
I wanna be one! I wanna be one!
NousDefionsDoc
12-10-2004, 21:54
Well, from his flash, he would appear to be a 10th Group guy....
TR
LOL :munchin
rudelsg2
12-10-2004, 22:01
We saw this article yesterday. Our company SGM has already started the ball rolling. The Ft. Carson post CSM has been notified. The funny thing is we have a OJT from the 3rd ACR who knows this kid. He put us in touch with this guy's 1SG and the kid is being brought back off of leave and he'll get the full treatment from his CoC. Apparently, he went on leave only two days ago and this has already made it back to us at Carson.
NousDefionsDoc
12-10-2004, 22:05
So he's not on Razor's Team?
Airbornelawyer
12-10-2004, 22:11
The regimental crest is 3rd ACR. Is the beret green or black (I can't tell)? If green, he probably took a 10th Group beret and pinned his crest on. If black, have they started giving regular units their own flashes yet or did he likely substitute the green one for the blue 13-star one?
Are blindfolds mandatory or optional out west?
The Reaper
12-10-2004, 22:32
I'm thinking about sending him an email at his AKO account telling him that SF is looking for a few good men, and he ain't one of them.
TR
Eagle5US
12-10-2004, 22:40
I'm thinking about sending him an email at his AKO account telling him that SF is looking for a few good men, and he ain't one of them.
TR
OMG that would be SOOOOO funny.
I think I'll tag on to that coat tail :D:D:D
Someone PLEEEEZE keep us updated!
Eagle
The Reaper
12-10-2004, 22:47
The SF Tab he is wearing in the pic is UCMJable.
PM me if you need his AKO address, it is exactly what you would expect it to be.
TR
Eagle5US
12-10-2004, 23:34
Sent this to the editor...AND his AKO :D
Dear Mr. Spencer,
I read with great interest your story about "Green Beret Sniper-PFC Michael Chabot". I do believe, Sir, that you and your publication have been given a fabrication as a representation of truth.
I am an active duty US Army Officer serving in Special Operations, recovering POW and MIA personnel from previous US conflict. I have 21 years active duty service, 15 years of active enlisted time, 9 years of which in US Army Special Forces on SCUBA Teams, Military Freefall (HALO) teams, and as an instructor at the Special Warfare center. I have attended numerous Special Forces courses for training and qualification. PFC Michael Chabot's story, as depicted, is grossly lacking in factual information. Please allow me to be more specific.
1. In the photograph, PFC Chabot is depicted wearing a green beret with a 10th Special Forces Group (Airborne) flash and a 3rd ACR (Armored Cavalry Regiment) DUI (pin) affixed to the patch. This is an unauthorized combination. Special Forces flashes for 10th group either have an officer's rank or the Special Forces DUI affixed.
2. In the same photograph, he is wearing the green beret-ONLY qualified graduates of the Special Forces Qualification Course are authorized this headgear and awarded the title of Special Forces Soldier.
3. Private's First Class in the US Army are not authorized to attend the Special Forces Qualification Course. Due to his stated age in the article, it is highly unlikely that he would be a prior service graduate. His attendance to Special Forces Assessment and Selection, Basic NCO Course, Qualification COurse, Language School, Survival Evasion Resistance and Escape (SERE) school would all be accomplished prior to his award of the green beret and advance him in rank to (at a minimum SGT E-5).
4. A serviceman's rank is not classified, except for certain extreme circumstances or specific units. None of these would permit interviews or photographs of Operators.
5. Though he may have attended a long range interdiction course, this DOES NOT under ANY circumstances identify him with, or as, a Special Forces Soldier.
6. IN the same photograph, he appears wearing a SPECIAL FORCES tab over his 3rd ACR patch. I can say with near utmost certainty that he is fraudulently wearing this OFFICIAL AWARD.
7. His blouse does not have Parachutist wings over the left breast pocket. This skill identifier badge is routinely required for wear on garrison uniforms for Special Forces and Airborne Qualified soldiers.
8. The 8000 applied to the school and PFC Chabot bieng one of 2 to be selected is ABSOLUTELY fabricated. As stated later in the article, there were 38 attendees for his class and 19 (stated) graduates.
I would implore you to please research some of these points. There are hundreds if not thousands of people living off the heritage, blood, and sacrifice of Special Operations Forces from all services. PFC Michael Chabot appears to be just one more. We Special Forces personnel, who the public refers to as "Green Beret's", have a sense of dedication to our country and fellow servicemembers. We train long and hard, we take the risks for freedom and country above comfort for self. The book "Stolen Valor", websites like the "Wall of Shame", and organizations such as "IdentaSEAL" have all been necessitated by FRAUDS like PFC Chabot. Public disclosure of his embelishments is prudent.
Thank you for your time in this matter.
CPT XXXXXXX X. XXXXXXXX
Special Forces Association Life Member #A 1234
Team Sergeant
12-10-2004, 23:52
LOL, SF Sniper huh, yup, no doubt in my mind.
Kids got a career in hollywood working already.
Wanna bet he's making 5 mil in 5 years working for ben asslick....
TS
former SF Sniper, really! :lifter
brewmonkey
12-11-2004, 00:06
I wonder what the second tab he is wearing is, airborne or Ranger. I mean either way he is fucked. I am constantly amazed at how dumb some people can actually be. I guess he is going to be joinging the fucker from the Navy who told everyone he was a SEAL last year. :D That went over like a led ballon. :eek:
Assholo mio, oh sodomy...
Radar Rider
12-11-2004, 00:28
Holy crap. This idiot spells knucklehead with an "N". All the kiddies will be really impressed when dirtbag is burning shit in Iraq.
Willing to bet he did NOT score high on the ASVAB
Well, PFC Dumbass did have one accurate statement here:
"If you mess with them, you're in some serious trouble."
Looks like he's about to find out how true that is.
ROFL.
I'll bet this is the same guy who would place a Claymore towards himself, regardless of what the writing says.
NousDefionsDoc
12-11-2004, 10:13
The LF guys called the reporter. Apparently the father brought the story to the reporter.
Thanks Dad
Merry Christmas son.
It seems as if little Mikey talked a wee bit of shit to his daddy. Still doesn't change the fact that he sewed on a SF tab and posed for the picture with his bogus beret. Classic "Soldier of Fiction".
Eagle5US
12-11-2004, 10:44
Thanks Dad
Merry Christmas son.
ROTFL!
Damn that was funny :D
Eagle
Rotor Strike
12-11-2004, 10:59
"The guys I trained with and the people I'm with, they're the best of the best," Chabot says of his comrades. "If you mess with them, you're in some serious trouble."
I think old boy is about to find out just how serious the trouble really is. You guys really should check out the lightfighter thread. It's priceless.
Yep, the LF thread is great. Here is another letter to the editor from that thread:
Dear Sirs
In reference to Mr. Jenkins' story 'Always outnumbered, never outgunned' M. Chabot: Green Beret sniper.
By now, the editorial staff of the Fort Morgan Times, Mr. Jenkins, PFC Chabot's parents and others in Fort Morgan - as well as the Regimental Commander and Regimental Command Sergeant Major of the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment to which PFC Chabot is assigned as an 19D M1A1 Armor Crewman (tanker) in the Regimental Headquarters and Headquarters' Troop (RHHT) - are fully aware that PFC Chabot is a poseur.
Beyond that, the story is so 'wrong' that any fact-checking would have determined its fictious nature. Special Forces training takes places at Fort Bragg, NC. It is a year long for Special Forces weapons sergeants and up to two years long for Special Force medical sergeants. No Soldier has "classified" rank. The picture shows PFC Chabot (his rank is clearly visible) wearing a 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment distinctive unit insignia ("crest" or DUI) on his beret's 10th Special Forces Group (Airborne) "flash" - this is impossible. The picture also shows PFC Chabot wearing a Special Forces "tab" above a 3rd ACR shoulder sleeve insignia ("patch" or SSI) when he has not completed Special Forces training. Additionally he does not wear the parachutist's badge ("jump wings") on his uniform. And he is holding a stainless steel Browning "A Bolt" rifle, a hunting rifle, not a US Army M-24 sniper's weapon.
Perhaps PFC Chabot actually attended the US Army Infantry School's sniper course at Fort Benning, GA and used that as the foundation of fantasy. I am not sure that a PFC assigned to RHHT (where he is either a crewman on a senior officer's tank or a vehicle driver for the staff) rates a sniper school slot. Usually those go to the 19D Cavalry Scouts in the Regimental and Squadron Scout Platoons.
I don't really understand what drives a young man who has nothing to be ashamed of to inflate himself so ridiculously. If he had wanted to be a Special Forces soldier, he should have enlisted in the Army as a "18X" Special Forces candidate. That's a very tough road and the attrition rate is very high.
My son, like PFC Chabot, is also a 19K M1A1 armored vehicle crewman and also a PFC. He serves in an armored battalion in Iraq that has been converted to 'dragoons' (essentially infantry, though not eligible for the prestigious Combat Infantryman's Badge). He does his job, as PFC Chabot will do when the time comes, with quiet courage and dignity. He doesn't tell wild stories to enhance his service. Neither did his great-grandfather (a combat infantryman in WWI) or his grandfather (a combat infantryman in WW2, Korea, and Vietnam).
This young man will not live this down for a long time. Literally thousands of serving Soldiers and former Soldiers now know PFC Chabot's name.
As a retired Special Forces officer I deplore PFC Chabot's actions and urge him to seek help. I know his chain-of-command will not be so generous. May God have mercy on him as the Regimental Command Sergeant Major won't.
ODA 564
Major, Special Forces (Retired)
More from the LF thread:
This just in from Col. McMasters.
Dear Mr. Hasher,
We are already on top of this and appreciate you sending this to us. The soldier will be punished and render apologies to 10SFG -- great soldiers with whom we have a very close relationship. This soldier has brought discredit on this Regiment and we regret his actions deeply.
Brave Rifles,
H.R. McMaster
71st Colonel, Third Armored Cavalry Regiment
Kyobanim
12-11-2004, 12:03
More from the LF thread:
This just in from Col. McMasters.
Dear Mr. Hasher,
We are already on top of this and appreciate you sending this to us. The soldier will be punished and render apologies to 10SFG -- great soldiers with whom we have a very close relationship. This soldier has brought discredit on this Regiment and we regret his actions deeply.
Brave Rifles,
H.R. McMaster
71st Colonel, Third Armored Cavalry Regiment
That's going to leave a mark. :eek:
well FWIW
I left my regards and what I thought of his picture on the LF board.
EGG
The Reaper
12-11-2004, 12:24
McMaster is a hell of a guy as well.
As a CPT, he commanded the Cav Troop at the battle of 73 Easting.
Yep, the kid has definitely shit the bed. OTOH, this has exposed his character flaws so that he can get "help", before it gets too bad.
Definitely NOT SF material.
TR
Maybe he was a PFC before this. However, I have the feeling his rank will be "classified" a bit lower very soon. I wonder if this one will make it on to CNN . . .
Smokin Joe
12-11-2004, 14:01
I would rather go 10 rounds with Tyson bare knuckle style, with my hands handcuffed behind my back then to be this kid right now.
BadMuther
12-11-2004, 15:13
Rifle looks like a Ruger M77, and no offense to handicapped folks, but that guys eyes suggest some learning disabilities!
brewmonkey
12-11-2004, 17:36
McMaster is a hell of a guy as well.
As a CPT, he commanded the Cav Troop at the battle of 73 Easting.
Yep, the kid has definitely shit the bed. OTOH, this has exposed his character flaws so that he can get "help", before it gets too bad.
Definitely NOT SF material.
TR
When Tom Clancy came to Irwin to write Armored Cav (of which Col McMaster is in) I got a chance to meet the then CPT. Seemed like a stud of a soldier, hard to believe he is now the ACR CDR. My guess is he is not going to be lighting a small fire on this one. :eek:
Team Sergeant
12-11-2004, 17:39
Rifle looks like a Ruger M77, and no offense to handicapped folks, but that guys eyes suggest some learning disabilities!
Looks sorta like the actor in "Full Metal Jacket" that blows his head off in the bathroom.....
I want to know the soldier that took his picture.... want to bet they both sent the same picture home....
TS
Daaaamn! Imagine standing in front of the 10th SFG CSM explaining that pic? :eek:
I'd have that kid on suicide watch. :D
NousDefionsDoc
12-11-2004, 18:04
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Polar Bear
12-11-2004, 18:26
Newest pic's
The Reaper
12-11-2004, 18:36
Newest pic's
eggroll's work, from LF.com?
TR
EX-Gold Falcon
12-11-2004, 18:44
Here is a thought.
Can anyone even begin to imagine how incredible fit & trim this young lad will be within a few weeks?
Good Lord this PX- Ranger could author his own get-fit book.
"How To Lose 62 Lbs In Only 2 Wks!!!"
T.
P.S. Is it just me, or is North America rotating westward from all the push-ups emanating from Colorado?
Polar Bear
12-11-2004, 18:54
eggroll's work, from LF.com?
TR
Yes Sir, I could not get the other one to load
Fookin' hilarious . . . I sure hope we find out what happens to this self-proclaimed super man.
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That was the best "article" ever!
Y'know, I have to say, I honestly thank this kid. But only for purely selfish reasons, ie, I haven't laughed this hard in a -long- time. Thank you, Private. I needed it. :D
If CSM Gonzales is in this assclown's CoC, let me know. I happen to be pretty good friends with his son. I might give his son a call and see if maybe he heard anything more than we did. If it helps he's a 3rd ACR CSM.
Sean M
As far as I can tell, the newspaper (Fort Morgan Times) has not printed a retraction or followup to this. I wonder if our letters to the editor will get published?
Well, according to Lightfighter, the kid isnt getting booted. One of the guys over there talked to his CSM and he would disclose exactly what they are hitting him with, in terms of penalties, since the its not complete yet. Needless to say, I'd rather take a swift kick in the balls than be this kid for a while.
They pulled the original article but heres something new. How weak is this...
http://www.fortmorgantimes.com/Stories/0,1413,164~8312~2596233,00.html
Chabot retracts his statements
By ROB JENKINS
Times Staff Writer
Fort Morgan resident and Army soldier Michael Chabot has retracted his statements to "take back information" regarding a Dec. 6 article "'Always outnumbered, never outgunned' M. Chabot: Green Beret Sniper" printed in The Times.
Chabot, who contacted the Times this morning from his post in Fort Carson along with two superior officers, retracted his statements for "command and safety purposes."
Chabot further stated that he was "under UCJ for falsifying qualifications."
First Sgt. Hernando Peña, representing Fort Carson command, added that "U.S. Special Forces are an elite group and an awesome set of gentlemen. It takes a lot to get where they're at. It is no easy feat."
A version of this retraction will also appear in today's online edition of The Fort Morgan Times some time after 6 p.m. MST.
NousDefionsDoc
12-14-2004, 06:23
Well, they made him say he is pending UCMJ. Remember this is the press and the public. No need to make a martyr out of him. Its a big deal to us, the schoolteachers and used car dealers won't see the significance.
Eagle5US
12-14-2004, 11:34
Lightfigher had this posted for some additional info:
JRTC O/C channels have provided the answers ...
Young asshat has received a field grade Art 15, maxed out, and was required to write a formal apology to 10th SFG.
For those not in the military, punishment under a field grade Art 15 maxes out at 45 days restriction (usually to barracks, work, mess hall, and place of worship), 45 days extra duty (usually 1700-2400 on duty days, 0800-2400 on non-duty days), reduction to the grade E-1, and forfiture of 1/2 month's pay for 2 months (for an E-3 with under 2 years service, that = $703), and a verbal or written reprimand.
Not bad...not bad at all really...
It would really top things if 10th GP had a formation and he was made to stand in front of them at the podium and read his apology to the masses :D
Eagle
Question regarding this punishment. Suppose the soldier wants to make a career of the Army. Will the Article 15 prevent him from re-enlisting and advancing in rank?
brewmonkey
12-14-2004, 12:01
Question regarding this punishment. Suppose the soldier wants to make a career of the Army. Will the Article 15 prevent him from re-enlisting and advancing in rank?
In todays Army it is most likely a career ending action.
I also wanted to add the max penalties are incorrect. 45 days restriction is the max if used in conjunction with 45 days extra duty. If there is no extra duty given then the max restriction is 60 days. I do however expect to see this shitbird buffing a lot of hallways in the coming months.
Sad thing is that he is staying only because of manpower needs. If his unit was not going on an OIF rotation I would think they would have chaptered his ass. The he will get to OIF and earn himself a DSC for saving his entire PLT. :rolleyes:
The he will get to OIF and earn himself a DSC for saving his entire PLT. :rolleyes:
I'd love to see that, actually. Sure, he made a dumb private mistake, but then he is a young, dumb private. If he can learn from it, move on and become a good soldier, that'd be a good thing in my book. I'm grateful I haven't been crucified for the many dumb mistakes I've made thus far in my lifetime.
Polar Bear
12-14-2004, 15:43
I'd love to see that, actually. Sure, he made a dumb private mistake, but then he is a young, dumb private. If he can learn from it, move on and become a good soldier, that'd be a good thing in my book. I'm grateful I haven't been crucified for the many dumb mistakes I've made thus far in my lifetime.
Concur Razor many a good soldier was lost in the early 90's because someone in the chain of command decided to break out the hammer and nails because of one slip up. I for one was one of them. He did a very stupid thing. If the soldiers around him are worth a shit, the peer pressure will straighten him out very quickly
Shark Bait
12-14-2004, 16:00
Concur Razor many a good soldier was lost in the early 90's because someone in the chain of command decided to break out the hammer and nails because of one slip up. I for one was one of them. He did a very stupid thing. If the soldiers around him are worth a shit, the peer pressure will straighten him out very quickly
Some good old fashioned "Wall to Wall" counselling couldn't hurt either.
NousDefionsDoc
12-14-2004, 16:13
If I was his CSM, his young ass would be on the next thing smoking to link up with the 10th Group outfit that just had its secret deployment. His orders would be a copy of the article with a note in the margin to the SF CSM - "Send him back when you don't want him anymore." He would be burning shit cans and humping ammo boxes until the cows came home.
Either that or PCS him to the sniper school and let him hump ammo boxes and run back and forth on the 300 meter range pasting targets for the next two years.
Paper doesn't do any good. Besides, what if he wanted out and this was his way? The 3rd ACR will eventually be heading back over I'm sure.
NousDefionsDoc
12-14-2004, 16:18
Or better yet, send him to 10th in Iraq, then to SOTIC - and tell him before he leaves for Iraq where his next duty station will be.
Shark Bait
12-14-2004, 16:27
If I was his CSM, his young ass would be on the next thing smoking to link up with the 10th Group outfit that just had its secret deployment. His orders would be a copy of the article with a note in the margin to the SF CSM - "Send him back when you don't want him anymore." He would be burning shit cans and humping ammo boxes until the cows came home.
Then the shit head would get an SF combat patch. He would just turn his right side toward the camera for his home-coming photo.
NousDefionsDoc
12-14-2004, 16:33
I'm sure a skilled JAG officer could find a way around that.
Polar Bear
12-14-2004, 17:50
If I was his CSM, his young ass would be on the next thing smoking to link up with the 10th Group outfit that just had its secret deployment. His orders would be a copy of the article with a note in the margin to the SF CSM - "Send him back when you don't want him anymore." He would be burning shit cans and humping ammo boxes until the cows came home.
Either that or PCS him to the sniper school and let him hump ammo boxes and run back and forth on the 300 meter range pasting targets for the next two years.
Paper doesn't do any good. Besides, what if he wanted out and this was his way? The 3rd ACR will eventually be heading back over I'm sure.
I like the first one NDD. Paper does nothing if he is a good soldier If he is a shit bag just chapter him out.
brewmonkey
12-14-2004, 18:01
If I was his CSM, his young ass would be on the next thing smoking to link up with the 10th Group outfit that just had its secret deployment. His orders would be a copy of the article with a note in the margin to the SF CSM - "Send him back when you don't want him anymore." He would be burning shit cans and humping ammo boxes until the cows came home.
Either that or PCS him to the sniper school and let him hump ammo boxes and run back and forth on the 300 meter range pasting targets for the next two years.
Paper doesn't do any good. Besides, what if he wanted out and this was his way? The 3rd ACR will eventually be heading back over I'm sure.
The 3rd ACR is on the deployment schedule for 2005.
Edit: oops, that was already posted.
mffjm8509
12-20-2004, 10:01
Or better yet, send him to 10th in Iraq, then to SOTIC - and tell him before he leaves for Iraq where his next duty station will be.
Hey, I could use some additional labor filling sandbags, picking up brass, doing laundry, I need a trench dug to lay some wire in, need some targets......
speaking of targets, I could use the kid for some moving simunitions engagements....that would work out nice
mp
Shark Bait
12-20-2004, 10:05
Hey, I could use some additional labor filling sandbags, picking up brass, doing laundry, I need a trench dug to lay some wire in, need some targets......
speaking of targets, I could use the kid for some moving simunitions engagements....that would work out nice
mp
Simunitions?? Why simunitions?? Why not have him dodge Mk-19 rounds??
Smokin Joe
12-20-2004, 14:44
Hey, I could use some additional labor filling sandbags, picking up brass, doing laundry, I need a trench dug to lay some wire in, need some targets......
speaking of targets, I could use the kid for some moving simunitions engagements....that would work out nice
mp
Or if you have a Team Dog/ Mascot make the kid his chew toy.
NousDefionsDoc
01-07-2005, 08:54
Word is they have him doing extra duty under 10th Group control in the uniform in the picture.
The Reaper
01-07-2005, 09:18
Word is they have him doing extra duty under 10th Group control in the uniform in the picture.
I love it! :D
TR
Team Sergeant
01-07-2005, 09:44
Word is they have him doing extra duty under 10th Group control in the uniform in the picture.
I'm wiping away tears.....
The Reaper
01-07-2005, 10:00
I hope that they have him doing PT with the lads as well, hopefully a SCUBA team.
TR
This guy could have just been setting hisself as future democratic Presidential canidate.
CPTAUSRET
01-07-2005, 11:33
This guy could have just been setting hisself as future democratic Presidential canidate.
Now, THAT'S FUNNY!! :D
Terry