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The Reaper
06-26-2014, 20:46
Obviously, adding conventional leadership to a FID / COIN mission should ensure our success. :rolleyes:

I seriously hope he can live up to the expectations.

TR

2-star general to oversee assessment in Iraq, a sign of task's sensitivity

By Nancy A. Youssef

McClatchy Washington Bureau
Published: June 26, 2014

http://www.stripes.com/news/army/2-star-general-to-oversee-assessment-in-iraq-a-sign-of-task-s-sensitivity-1.290862

WASHINGTON - The U.S. military named a two-star general to head up the teams that have been sent to Iraq to determine what U.S. military assistance might help halt the advance of radical Islamist insurgents who have seized control of much of the country in the past two weeks.

Army Maj. Gen. Dana J.H. Pittard, the deputy commanding general of operations for the 3rd Army, based in Kuwait, will direct the work of the 300 or so advisers President Barack Obama has said will be assigned to Iraq to help the government in Baghdad repulse the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. ISIL fighters in the past two weeks have seized Mosul, the country's second largest city; Tikrit, the hometown of the late Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein; and are threatening the Iraqi government's hold on the country's largest oil refinery at Baiji.

About 180 of those advisers are now in Iraq, including 50 who arrived on Thursday, the Pentagon said.

The assignment of a two-star general to lead just 300 troops underscores the unusual nature of the current crisis in Iraq, where one of the first tasks will be to fill an intelligence gap that U.S. officials said has existed about conditions in Iraq since the United States withdrew the last of its troops in 2011.

Pittard, who will lead the Iraq Joint Forces Land Component Command, also likely will work as a quasi-diplomat to Iraqi commanders, experts said. Pittard, however, will answer to U.S. Central Command, the military unit that has responsibility for American military activities in the Middle East.

"Having a two-star there will indicate his role will be, in part, political engagement," said Jessica Lewis, research director of the Washington-based Institute for the Study of the War.

Pittard will find a complex situation in the Iraq assignment. Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki also has asked for assistance from Iran, which reportedly has sent its own advisers, and on Thursday he welcomed airstrikes against ISIL forces by the Syrian air force. Both Iran and Syria are bitter rivals of the United States in the Middle East.

Al-Maliki has asked the United States to conduct airstrikes against ISIL forces, but the Obama administration has so far declined to undertake them. Al-Maliki also is seeking Russian-made fighter aircraft amid frustration that the first delivery of U.S. F-16s won't arrive in Iraq until September.

One of the first tasks Pittard is expected to undertake is determining why the U.S.-trained Iraqi military simply melted away in Mosul when confronted with ISIL forces June 10. The abandonment of their positions in Mosul set off a rout that saw ISIL come within two hours of Baghdad before the advance slowed and allowed Kurdish militiamen to seize control of the long disputed oil-rich city of Kirkuk.

The U.S. advisers are expected to quiz lower-level soldiers on why the retreat took place, and they are likely to get more information than what can be learned from senior Iraqi officials. "There is a broader question of evaluating the security forces," Lewis said, "and I am not sure that can be answered at the ministerial level."

A U.S. Military Academy graduate, Pittard served in the 1991 Gulf War and was part of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. His last Iraq assignment was commander of the Iraqi Assistance Group, which was designed to mentor Iraq's nascent security forces. He also served as commander of Fort Bliss in Texas.

Scimitar
06-26-2014, 22:53
This guy's career is all Armour, with a stint at Admission at West Point and 4 years as Military Aide to Clinton. So not sure about that fitting into this situation.

However, he has mainly worked around the S3 field, and has carried his weight in OIF a couple of times, and his last stint was commanding Iraq Assistance Group, so I guess he does seem like a good choice from a "interacting with the Iraqi" point of view. But operationally what SOF does he have by his ear? And how much will he listen?

S

Box
06-27-2014, 00:46
I have noticed that lately every single issue in the news can be approached thusly....


"What difference, at this point does it make"




How much rank do we need in Iraq? 1-Star, 2-Star, 3-Star?
"What difference, at this point does it make"


should the GO in charge of the low intensity conflict in Iraq be from an Armor, MI, Infantry, Adjutant General, or Quartermaster background?
"What difference, at this point does it make"

Are we going to pay the troops deploying to Iraq HFP?
"What difference, at this point does it make"

Are we going to try and recover the gazillions of dollars in US military hardware that has been captured by ISIS ???
"What difference, at this point does it make"




Don't you gent's see how easy it is?

JJ_BPK
06-27-2014, 04:34
and his last stint was commanding Iraq Assistance Group, so I guess he does seem like a good choice from a "interacting with the Iraqi" point of view.

S

Did you forget to use the pint font??

I see this choice as FAIL...

What difference does it make?? :munchin

Snaquebite
06-27-2014, 05:25
OK...We're sending a CONVENTIONAL 2 Star General to command a 300 man battalion size Special Operations mission (something a good SF LTC should be in charge of), who reportedly did not work well with Special Forces previously, is an Armor officer, was in charge of Admissions at West Point, did 4 years as Military Aide to Clinton, and reportedly has political aspirations, Sounds like the perfect set-up for failure and more lives lost.

Scimitar
06-27-2014, 05:37
My hope is he's the political front, he's got the relationships, the political experience, and the stars.

There's got to be a LTC who's stayed at a Holiday Inn recently there with him, let's just hope our 2 star here has been instructed to listen.

S

Richard
06-27-2014, 08:26
IDK - seems like he has a lot of experience in the region, in post-regional studies and doctrinal development/implementation, and someone who woulld have a lot of direct personal contacts within the Iraqi military and government. Knowing how/when to use SOF effectively in FID/COIN doesn't necessarily mean you have to have been SF qualified or served in SF, and I would think a lot of any level of success in this goat rope will rest upon the 18's who will be advising him on how, when, and where to use their ropes.

I'd wait and see on this one.

https://www.bliss.army.mil/Leaders/MGPittardBio.pdf

Richard

tunanut
06-27-2014, 08:27
Well he is Ranger qualified.

Box
06-27-2014, 09:44
POlitically motivated GO postings worked out so well during the first 10 years in Iraq...
...why mess with success.



It begs the question though, do we NOT have a GO from Special Forces that could handle that job?

Old Dog New Trick
06-27-2014, 21:47
POlitically motivated GO postings worked out so well during the first 10 years in Iraq...
...why mess with success.



It begs the question though, do we NOT have a GO from Special Forces that could handle that job?

Garrison, departed after the last political foray into uncharted territory. :eek:

At this point, what difference does it make? :D

Box
06-27-2014, 22:15
...maybe the Army should hire a cav scout to be the next regimental commander for SF

11Ber
06-28-2014, 06:38
Maybe he could finally get us in line with tattoo policy and SHARP training.

blacksmoke
06-28-2014, 10:20
I dont care how special these guys might be. If this force doesn't have the discipline to wear their acu jacket and ach to get to the porta poddy 10m from their hooch, how are they going to win this thing? We need a guy who's going in there to get the job done. :rolleyes:

The Reaper
06-28-2014, 11:15
Sad to say, I believe that the decisionmakers went with the commander they have the greatest confidence in.

TR

Box
06-28-2014, 12:13
Sad to say, I believe that the decisionmakers went with the commander they have the greatest confidence in.


That would be a kick in the nuts, but I don't know what other reason there is for it. One day I will understand why our GO's get treated like shit by the same people that come to them begging for troops to fix one fiasco after another.

scooter
06-28-2014, 13:24
I think he was already there at OSC-I and it was the easiest answer.

Eagle 9294
06-28-2014, 13:59
I have my doubts this gets rectified by SOF or by anything of a military nature. It is going to take a government that all the different factions can agree with. Can that happen? I'm not so sure. Usually someone has to come out on the short end of the stick. It does not seem any of these particular religious groups are willing to do that. Why does this need to be our mess.....again?

jbour13
06-28-2014, 19:06
I think he was already there at OSC-I and it was the easiest answer.

He is the ranking man that has sit in the seat for a while now in country.

Right or wrong, he is Mr. Right Now.

The Reaper
06-28-2014, 20:03
As has been observed, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

TR

What We Can Learn From Lawrence of Arabia

Saturday, 28 June 2014 10:00
By Bill Moyers and Michael Winship, Moyers & Company

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/24652-bill-moyers-essay-what-we-can-learn-from-lawrence-of-arabia

But then and now, Lawrence's understanding of the ancient and potent jealousies of the people among whom he had lived and fought generally was ignored. In 1920, he wrote for the Times of London an unsettling and prophetic article about Iraq - then under the thumb of the British. He decried the money spent, the number of troops and loss of life, and warned that his countrymen had been led "into a trap from which it will be hard to escape with dignity and honor. They have been tricked into it by a steady withholding of information.... Things have been far worse than we have been told, our administration more bloody and inefficient than the public knows. It... may soon be too inflamed for any ordinary cure. We are today not far from a disaster."

Cont. at link

Basenshukai
06-28-2014, 20:20
One day I will understand why our GO's get treated like shit by the same people that come to them begging for troops to fix one fiasco after another.

Who would be the SF GO's that might be in a position to conduct this task? I'm just curious if we are just out of available GO's.

Box
06-29-2014, 01:06
...I am certain there is an SF guy SOMEWHERE

Unless I am to believe we don't have enough SF GO's in the Army.

Maybe THAT is the problem and we really do need more SF GO's.

What ever happened to MG Haas? Did he retire - certainly he can command SF guys in Iraq at LEAST as well as an armor guy.

Just an example, but we can't be at zero balance for available GO's can we?

MtnGoat
06-29-2014, 11:16
Who would be the SF GO's that might be in a position to conduct this task? I'm just curious if we are just out of available GO's.

I would throw LTG Tovo, for er 10th Grouper with OIF Experience. He even has Conventional Command time as the Deputy Commanding General, 1st Armored Division/U.S. Division Center, Iraq. Solid Officer IMO.

scooter
06-29-2014, 13:55
We are back where we were in 2004. No one is turning this around, not without a miracle.

The best course of action is to pull everyone out, and let the Iranians fight the Sunnis. No matter how it turns out, letting them bleed each other for a change would be a welcome change of pace.

Old Dog New Trick
06-29-2014, 14:12
Maybe this GO will come up with the ultimate solution. It's as old as time itself. First the Chinese, then the Romans, the British and eventually the Russians, and even the Americans are trying this approach. Farmers have known too for many years...

Build a really, really big f'n wall with a few well guarded gates. :p

Because really, at this point, what difference does it make.

scooter
06-29-2014, 14:18
Because really, at this point, what difference does it make.

Amen.

MtnGoat
06-29-2014, 14:18
Do you think he could actually turn things around there? I am not doubting his abilities, but the situation. A better way the phrase it is do you think 300 SOF personnel along with his leadership is enough to fix the Iraqi lack of cohesion, tribal infighting and turn back the gains of ISIS?

No I don't anyone can turn anything around. I don't think this is the issue we have with MG Pittard. I have never worked under him ever, yet it seems that many people didn't like him when they fell under him as USSF. Scooter stated it best. I also say there is a reason the number 300 was release as the deployed number.

YET like jbour13 stated, he has been there working and should know the Geopolitical environment. We all pray for that.

scooter
06-29-2014, 17:07
That is pretty much my thoughts but I am far from an expert. Thought there was some super secret Green Beret tricks he might come up with. I am just wondering why we are beating a dead horse.

POTUS can't go big because of his desired legacy being centered on ending wars, not starting them. However, the establishment views doing nothing as equally bad. Result? Half measures that are doomed to fail, but not before we get some guys killed.

SpikedBuck
06-30-2014, 19:21
As I read the article, one question came to mind...where is the TSOC in all this?