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What's that about votes not meaning anything now-a-days?
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Eric Cantor loses primary in stunning upset
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- In a stunning upset, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor lost a primary challenge Tuesday night to tea-party challenger David Brat, according to the Associated Press. Virginia Republican Cantor was accused by Brat, an economics professor, of backing amnesty for illegal immigrants living in the U.S. Brat is a little-known politician while Cantor is the No. 2 Republican in the House and was considered a possible successor to House Speaker John Boehner.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/eric-cantor-loses-primary-in-stunning-upset-2014-06-10
From Foxnews:
House Majority Leader Eric Cantor loses Virginia GOP primary, AP reports
House Majority Leader Eric Cantor has been defeated by a tea party-backed challenger in the Republican primary.
Economics professor Dave Brat won a stunning upset victory against Cantor on Tuesday in the 7th District Republican primary contest, which is in the Richmond area.
Cantor is the second-most powerful member of the U.S. House and was seen by some as a possible successor to the House speaker.
His loss to a political novice with little money marks a huge victory for the tea party movement, which supported Cantor just a few years ago.
Brat had been a thorn in Cantor's side on the campaign, casting the congressman as a Washington insider who isn't conservative enough. Last month, a feisty crowd of Brat supporters booed Cantor in front of his family at a local party convention.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/10/house-majority-leader-eric-cantor-loses-virginia-gop-primary-ap-reports/
Hope this will mean an improvement in some way. Wish I could be optimistic. A culture like we have in DC doesn't change with a Primary. Just saying ...
The Reaper
06-10-2014, 18:55
Maybe there is hope.
Could he arrange to take Boehner, Ryan, and the rest of the RINOs with him?
TR
Ret10Echo
06-10-2014, 19:22
Personally, all these tools are cast from the same die. (R) or (D)
Of late the Dims have relied upon the Republicans to "eat their own" We'll see where this goes.
The supposed Democratic Party strategy this year is to save their money for 2016. Any gains the Republican party make this election will be offset by the expected POTUS' lame duck disaster of the next two years. The nation will be at the lowest it will have ever been and the Democrats will point to the Republican majority in Congress, try to take the next Administration and both the House & Senate.
Oldrotorhead
06-10-2014, 19:54
Lets see if Cantor is a big enough dick to run as a write in, just to screw the man that beat him. I wouldn't put it past him.:munchin
"RINO" though is a relative term. IMO, I think the problem the GOP faces is we either have to choose between the boring, establishment GOP politicians who can't explain or defend conservatism at all, and then the politicians who are perceived as being very far-right-wing, to the point that they scare many of the moderates and independents. A John McCain, a Bob Dole, etc...can't win. But I highly doubt a Ted Cruz or a Rand Paul could ever win the presidency either.
Why do we listen to or care what the members of the former profession once known as journalism spew let alone allow these opposition hacks to define us?
FUCK 'EM!
Snaquebite
06-11-2014, 04:12
Lets see if Cantor is a big enough dick to run as a write in, just to screw the man that beat him. I wouldn't put it past him.:munchin
Virginia has a "sore loser" law that prevents him from running as an independent candidate
WarriorDiplomat
06-11-2014, 04:39
Maybe there is hope.
Could he arrange to take Boehner, Ryan, and the rest of the RINOs with him?
TR
With all the bad press tea parties were getting I think this is an indicater of the public getting sick of the status quo. Of course Obama publically telling Americans they should be ashamed of themselves this is the last straw he need an impeachment for breaking faith with the citizens.
I'm not referring to journalists and agree with your opinion of them. But we need candidates who can win the POTUS, who can explain and defend conservatism, but who do not come across as far-right.
How far left do you think the candidate should be in order for them to not be viewed as far-right?
Golf1echo
06-11-2014, 07:09
With all the bad press tea parties were getting I think this is an indicater of the public getting sick of the status quo. Of course Obama publically telling Americans they should be ashamed of themselves this is the last straw he needs an impeachment for breaking faith with the citizens.
Well said, captured my sentiments exactly! I think it is the current administrations arrogance and what you said in orange that represent the straw that broke the camels back, also that left is seeing that too and is why goobs like Frankeinstine are bucking now.
The other component...Which is why 0 won in the first and second place is voter turn out. Recent events in Colorado show a motivated citizenry will go to the polls in larger numbers...and it doesn't take that many.
Looks like that happened in Va too.
Here are two looks at voter turn out, Presidential and mid term * :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_the_United_States_presidential_el ections
http://www.fairvote.org/research-and-analysis/voter-turnout/
I am always a little discussed looking at those numbers but the answer to any election is get your voters out...
* Regardless of source, voting numbers are typically low IMO
If this were the case, Cantor must've received a defective model...or perhaps they are all that way. ;)
Richard
Cantor's Senior High School yearbook quote.
Pat
DIYPatriot
06-11-2014, 13:17
With all the bad press tea parties were getting I think this is an indicater of the public getting sick of the status quo.
It seems that the voters in MS feel the same.
By forcing a runoff with Senator Thad Cochran, Chris McDaniel breathed new life into a Tea Party movement that had mostly been contained this year by the efforts of business-aligned entities allied with national Republican leaders.
Article (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-06-04/tea-party-regains-steam-with-cochran-u-dot-s-dot-senate-run-off)
In the jungle, the mighty jungle,
The RINO sleeps tonight
Wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh
Wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh
Wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh
Wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1OK2FABjDU
It will be very interesting to see if this election is a forerunner for bigger things to come or if this was primarily a local election where people wanted to change the candidate.
If people interpret them as being the kind who want to get rid of things like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc...it might frighten away voters we need. We need candidates who can articulate limited government but assure the people they aren't out to take away the safety nets. That is a fear among many. Hence why the Democrats' ads regarding the GOP trying to do so oftentimes work.
I also am worried that the social conservatism of the GOP will harm it when running for POTUS, but no way to know that for sure.
What you are saying is we need more politicians that will stretch or bend the truth, and speeches with empty promises to get into office.
Not at all. I want politicians that are pre-piked.
Fixed that for you.
Team Sergeant
06-12-2014, 09:43
Succinctly sums up why I'm now an independent....... Well done Dave Brat, well done.
Cantor Campaign Spent More at One Steakhouse than Brat on Entire Campaign
House Majority Leader Eric Cantor's (R-VA) campaign spent more money at one posh steakhouse before his shocking Tuesday primary defeat than his opponent Dave Brat spent on his whole campaign.
Cantor's campaign spent $124,177 at Bobby Van'S Grill and Steakhouse and $44,460 at Blt Steak for a total of $168,637.
cont:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/06/11/Cantor-Campaign-Spent-More-at-One-Steakhouse-than-Brat-Did-on-Entire-Campaign
Succinctly sums up why I'm now an independent....... Well done Dave Brat, well done.
Exactly ! This wasn't a Tea-Party win, but a win for the people.
Hope the high turn out in this Primary is harbinger for what is coming in November. If so, maybe we can find more hope, and then more, and then more.
...If people interpret them as being the kind who want to get rid of things like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc...it might frighten away voters we need. .....
Only those who rely on the MSM for news.
Remember the "Grandma out on the curb eating dog food" stories the MSM was pushing?
The D's would run the add on TV, the MSM would run up to the nearest R, stick a mic in their face and ask "Why do you want to kick Grandma out of her house and make her eat dog food?
They are still doing it today.
When the Mic gets pushed in their face the Republicans need to learn to say - "The premise of your question is false."
Badger52
06-12-2014, 14:31
One tick out of the running; but it's a very large dog.
Of small import, since the basic premise of current crop of politicians is to manage perception, rather than actually acknowledge any wake-up call, or actually do anything.
Hat-tip to Brat's campaign for not wasting their energies on unobtainium, but getting the voters they actually needed, who would actually show up.
The Reaper
06-12-2014, 15:49
It will be very interesting to see if this election is a forerunner for bigger things to come or if this was primarily a local election where people wanted to change the candidate.
If people interpret them as being the kind who want to get rid of things like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc...it might frighten away voters we need. We need candidates who can articulate limited government but assure the people they aren't out to take away the safety nets. That is a fear among many. Hence why the Democrats' ads regarding the GOP trying to do so oftentimes work.
I also am worried that the social conservatism of the GOP will harm it when running for POTUS, but no way to know that for sure.
There you go.
You mean someone who will continue to lie to the people about the Ponzi schemes to prevent panic for a few more years, with the complict support of the media. Promise them more, more, more freebies, until the whole thing comes crashing down!
Personal responsibility? How dare they!
Obviously, the ones who would tell the truth and do something are so far to the right, they are unfit to govern. :rolleyes:
TR
Not at all. I want politicians that are principled.
But much of the problem is the Redistribution System/Guberment safety nets...SNAP Cards....TARP... QE to Infinity...the ACA...Welfare.....Medicaid....Medicare....etc.
Sleazy Politicians use promise of these to garner votes, and you want principled persons to use this same tactic to garner votes, or maybe your talking about avoiding or diverting from the truth as a shade more honest...
That continues the nasty cycle that has us where we are.
The Reaper
06-13-2014, 09:54
I do not see a problem with the safety nets. Those are not the same as an extensive welfare state that lets lazy people just ride the system and not work. People are okay with reform of excessive welfare. They get frightened if they think government is out to take away the safety nets. The ACA was not needed and was rammed down the country's throat so I wouldn't count that.
What we need are politicians who can distinguish between the two and emphasize the maintenance of the safety nets versus a big welfare state, and that scare tactics that try to claim that the GOP wants to get rid of the safety net system is nonsense.
According to your "moderates," the welfare state IS a safety net.
Give me a few examples of your moderates and their proposals for realistically reforming entitlement programs.
"A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator, an individual or organization, pays returns to its investors from new capital paid to the operators by new investors, rather than from profit earned by the operator."
If you think Social Security is not a Ponzi scheme, please explain how a system with fewer and fewer workers can pay more and more recipients over the long term and remain solvent.
Too late to wish we had not spent all of the Social Security surpluses of the past, they are long gone. Please explain how a moderate will fix the current system.
TR
The thing is, what kind of alternative ideas are there to programs that do the same as these?
My father referred to it as "Family", with "Charity" as a backup program. The problem with those is that, not being an entitlement, the net is not comfortable enough to rest on while popping a tab.
craigepo
06-13-2014, 20:22
A problem inherent with the "safety net" idea is that well-meaning people assume that someone utilizing a safety net program is attempting to work himself/herself out of a temporary problem. This assumption is not accurate.
Washington D.C. is full of elected spending addicts. These addicts realize that the more they spend, the better their chance of reelection. Unless and until we have a balanced budget amendment, this is going to continue.
The Reaper
06-14-2014, 10:42
A moderate would emphasize that they are not out to end SS by any means in reforming it and that any reform program would be optional so that if people didn't like it, they could switch back to the traditional SS program. I do not know off the top of my head specific reforms, but they would have to be gradual and eased in while the conventional SS program was gradually phased-out over time.
The entire program is now unsupportable, from both an economic and a demographic position. There are, and will be, inadequate numbers of American workers paying into the system to sustain the payments being made.
Taxes will have to increase, and benefits will have to be cut to sustain it. Those are hard facts, liberal, moderate, or conservative.
Printing more money to kick the can down the road is not a viable solution, and comes with huge dangers of its own.
To say nothing of the millions of freeloaders riding the SSDI gravy train, or the 13 million new "citizens" who will wind up being grandfathered into the benefits.
This party is coming to a close, whether we dare speak of it or not. I don't think being a"moderate" by hiding one's head in the sand, or by making popular but economically unsupportable statements is being fair to the American citizens, particularly the taxpayers. Hard choices will have to be made, and hard words said.
Personally, I blame short-sighted politicians, disastrous economic decisions, and the destruction of the family unit. It is also not my personal responsibility to involuntarily support a family other than my own. If you choose to do so, that is your business.
Look at Detroit for our future. That is where "moderation" leads.
TR