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Streck-Fu
04-30-2014, 05:43
refusing to follow unlawful orders.

It appears that in many aspects, the Border patrol is more than happy to harass US citizens.

LINK (http://reason.com/blog/2014/04/17/border-patrol-harasses-local-protesters)

Tired of running the gauntlet, locals set up a monitoring operation at the checkpoint, where they simultaneously protested and recorded the agents' activities.

Border Patrol didn't like that. The agents got nasty.

How nasty? In a letter dated April 16 and sent to Manuel Padilla, Jr., Chief Border Patrol Agent for the Tucson sector, the American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona describes agents at the Arivaca checkpoint threatening protesters with arrest, forcing them behind an arbitrary line at the edge of a "Border Patrol Enforcement Zone," refusing to identify themselves, cursing at the locals, and blocking their view of agents' activities.

LINK (http://www.azcentral.com/news/arizona/articles/20140225arizona-town-monitor-border-patrol-checkpoint.html?nclick_check=1)



As part of a fight to remove longstanding Border Patrol checkpoints on the roads leading into their town, 60 miles southwest of Tucson, some residents of Arivaca said they will monitor one checkpoint today to see how many arrests and drug seizures the Border Patrol actually makes.

This appears to be the first independent effort to monitor any of the roughly 170 Border Patrol checkpoints on U.S. roads and highways.

Arivaca residents are regularly subjected to delays, searches, harassment and racial profiling at the checkpoints, said Leesa Jacobson, one of the organizers.

A Border Patrol spokesman said the agency won’t release data for individual checkpoints. Last month, Border Patrol Tucson Sector Chief Manuel Padilla rejected a petition from local residents and businesses calling for removal of the checkpoints.


LINK (http://reason.com/blog/2014/04/29/border-patrol-threatens-mother-slashes-h#fold)

On May 21, 2013, Clarisa Christiansen was driving home with her seven-year-old daughter and five-year-old son after picking her daughter up from elementary school. Ms. Christiansen and her children a re U.S. citizens and resident s of Three Points, Arizona, located west of Tucson and approximately 40 miles north of the U.S.-Mexico border. On their way home, at approximately 2:15 pm, the family was pulled over by a Border Patrol vehicle. The stop occurred on a stretch of dirt road about two miles from their home, which is approximately fifteen miles from the elementary school.

Ms. Christiansen stopped her vehicle and was approached by a Border Patrol agent. The agent asked her if she was a U.S. citizen; she answered affirmatively. The agent then demanded that Ms. Christ iansen exit her vehicle so it could be searched. Ms. Christiansen stated that she did not consent to a search and asked the agent why she had been stopped. The agent responded that he would not provide an explanation until Ms. Christiansen exited her vehicle. Ms. Christiansen stated that she would not exit her vehicle until she was provided with an explanation for the stop. The agent refused and was clearly agitated that Ms. Christiansen had requested an explanation. At that point, two additional Border Patrol agents approached Ms. Christiansen’s vehicle.

Ms. Christiansen then stated that if there was no reason for stopping her that she would be on her way, and wished the agent a good day. The agent told her, “You’re not going anywhere.” That agent then said to the other agents, “This one is being difficult, get the Taser.” The agent opened the driver’s side door and demanded that she exit. Ms. Christiansen, now fearing for her safety and that of her children, refused. Ms. Christiansen’s children became upset; her daughter asked, “Mommy what’s going on?” Ms. Christiansen told the children to stay calm and sit still, but she could see they were confused and afraid.

The agent then approached Ms. Christiansen with a retractable knife and threatened to cut her out of her seatbelt if she didn’t exit the vehicle. Ms. Christiansen repeated her demand for an explanation, which the agents still refused to give her. Instead, the agent forcibly reached inside Ms. Christiansen’s vehicle without her consent and removed the keys from the ignition.

Ms. Christiansen had no choice but to exit the vehicle. She presented her identification. The agents ran a background check, gave her back her driver’s license, returned to their vehicle without saying anything, and drove away. The entire stop lasted approximately 35 minutes. At that point, Ms. Christiansen noticed that her rear tire had been punctured and was flat. There was a large incision along the side of the tire, consistent with a knife puncture and not a routine or accidental flat. It was a very hot day and there was no one for miles around. Fortunately, Ms. Christiansen was able to contact her brother to bring her a car jack to change the flat tire.

And it is not unique to Arizona as the Border Patrol settled a suit in Washington State....LINK (https://aclu-wa.org/news/settlement-reins-border-patrol-stops-olympic-peninsula)

As a result of the settlement, the U.S. Border Patrol has acknowledged that its agents on the Olympic Peninsula must base vehicle stops away from the border on reasonable suspicion that an individual may be involved in violating the law.

PSM
04-30-2014, 10:15
It's against the law to have permanent checkpoints in AZ, but they sure seem permanent. Check out the map below. The only highway without a checkpoint is 80 northeast out of Douglas. It joins I-10 west of Lordsburg (the map does not show that) and gives access to open roads west to LA and east to El Paso. It's possible to drive Highway 80 from Douglas to I-10 and never pass another vehicle. We've done that once, and, another time, the only vehicles we passed were 2 Border Patrol horse patrol units unloading on the side of the road, a couple of big rigs, and a NM Sheriff unit south of Rodeo, NM.

Pat

MR2
04-30-2014, 22:44
Anyone remember the movie Easy Rider?

PSM
04-30-2014, 22:52
Anyone remember the movie Easy Rider?

Yep. I don't see the connection, though. :confused:

Pat

BryanK
05-01-2014, 05:14
Yep. I don't see the connection, though. :confused:

Pat

Possibly a link to the dangers of empty highways?

Easy Rider conclusion clip (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLAYw0vM-bw)

Or possibly just the freedom of the open road ;)
Open road-Easy Rider (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m25BWUmcab0)

Dean Jarvis
05-01-2014, 09:06
The government is really getting out of control and has become us against them, U.S. Citizens against any U.S. Government agency. You can see it with the treatment this Lady received by the border patrol and you saw how the government went out of their way, during the last shut down, to impose heavy handed treatment of average citizens i.e. when the Forest Ranger in Yellowstone prevented a tourist from taking a picture of Old Faithful, what's with that?:mad:
I'm sure you all have numerous examples of petty enforcements placed on the American people during the shut down.

And why is it that we now have an EPA, Department of Education, U.S. Forest Service and FDA SWAT TEAMS?:mad:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/376053/united-states-swat-john-fund

MR2
05-01-2014, 10:02
Yep. I don't see the connection, though. :confused:

Pat

Is it not obvious I referenced the WRONG movie? :rolleyes:

What I meant is Electra Glide in Blue (1973) :o

:)

PSM
05-01-2014, 10:31
Is it not obvious I referenced the WRONG movie? :rolleyes:

What I meant is Electra Glide in Blue (1973) :o

:)

That's understandable; they both have motorsicles in them. ;)

Pat

mark46th
05-01-2014, 15:55
They Border Patrol should be out on patrol looking for the rogue Mexican army soldiers crossing the border...

JJ_BPK
05-01-2014, 16:47
They set up a road block in the Keys, April 23rd, 1982.

The USBP Blockade was setup on highway U.S.1 at Florida City.

We promptly seceded.

http://www.conchrepublic.com/history.htm

Arizona should think about doing the same. As should all states that find the insolence of these usurpers of the Constitution intolerable.

:mad:

The Reaper
05-01-2014, 17:01
Population Control Measures.

Your papers, PLEASE!

TR

ddoering
05-01-2014, 18:12
You don't have to show I.D. to vote so why would you show it at a checkpoint?

PSM
05-01-2014, 18:24
They set up a road block in the Keys, April 23rd, 1982.

The USBP Blockade was setup on highway U.S.1 at Florida City.

We promptly seceded.

http://www.conchrepublic.com/history.htm

Arizona should think about doing the same. As should all states that find the insolence of these usurpers of the Constitution intolerable.

:mad:

To paraphrase Ronaldus Magnus, "I didn't leave America, America left me." ;)

Pat

Pericles
05-02-2014, 14:33
You don't have to show I.D. to vote so why would you show it at a checkpoint?

or to exercise a right articulated in the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution.

PSM
05-02-2014, 14:41
or to exercise a right articulated in the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution.

That's not a problem in AZ. ;)

Pat

Oldrotorhead
05-02-2014, 15:30
If this is true then maybe the BP should man up and let the soccor moms alone and go deal with this. Again IF this is accurate.
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http://www.kvoa.com/news/n4t-investigators-rogue-mexican-army-troops-crossing-the-line/

SASABE, SONORA - Has a unit of Mexican Army soldiers who patrol right on the Arizona border gone rogue?

This small group has attacked U.S. citizens, and even challenged U.S. federal agents within the U.S. A News 4 Tucson investigation into the dangerous world of rogue soldiers in Mexico's military.

In January, soldiers from this lonely outpost of the Mexican Army drew their guns on U.S. Border Patrol agents just 50 yards into the United States. Then in March, they opened fire on Javier Jose Rodriguez, a young Tucson man visiting family in Sásabe when he was driving around the town early on a Saturday morning after drinking beers with friends. Rodriguez was shot in the arm and in the side, he spent three weeks at University of Arizona Medical Center.

The United States' reaction has been tepid, angering people who live and patrol along the Arizona border.

U.S. Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) revealed details of the January encounter between soldiers from this base and the Border Patrol. In a letter to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, Coburn said a lone agent encountered two Mexican soldiers 50 yards inside the U.S. The agent and the soldiers drew their weapons; the soldiers carried G-3 rifles.

"From what I understand, this has happened hundreds of times before," says Sylvia Longmire, a border security analyst whose recent book, Border Insecurity, details the challenges and failings of some Homeland Security operations along the Arizona-Sonora border. The soldiers told the agent they'd gotten lost while pursuing a drug smuggler.

"However, I believe there was some confusion as to whether that's what the Mexican Army was doing because there was no evidence found by the Border Patrol of any drug smugglers in the area," Longmire said.

Reports obtained under the federal Freedom of Information Act show that members of Mexico's Army have crossed into the U.S. at least 300 times over the past 18 years.

On a Tuesday morning, KVOA's Lupita Murillo spoke with the commander of the base. He said the last unit rotated out and that an entirely new unit took its place.

But reports show that across the entire border, soldiers have driven into Texas, landed helicopters in Texas' Rio Grande Valley and encountered Border Patrol agents within the United States.

The injured Rodriguez says he wants justice. His medical bills are now over $43,000. He says he intends to pay those off when he goes back to work. He also thinks it's wrong that these soldiers crossed into Arizona and threatened American federal agents.

"I mean, it's very nerve-wracking," said Art del Cueto, President of the Border Patrol's union in the Tucson Sector, Local 2544. "A lot of these encounters happen in the middle of the night where, you know, the lighting is low and you don't know who you're encountering. You're sitting there and seeing a group of guys coming up to you and they're all carrying long-arms, you don't know what you're encountering."

Sources in the U.S. State Department say they believe Mexico's Attorney General is looking into that March attack. But nobody is investigating why these soldiers cross into Arizona.

Arivaca resident, Ronald Ayers said in 2006, a Mexican Army helicopter in the area crossed the border and landed in the U.S. about 300 yards across the border.

"A helicopter flew very low. Flew around behind the barn, landed and then several men got out all clad in black with masks over their face and body armor, carrying what looked to be full automatic weapons," Ayers recalls. What frustrates him, even now, is that he never heard another word about the incident after he was interviewed by both the FBI and Customs and Border Protection.

Sen. Coburn ordered the Homeland Security Department to produce answers into the Mexican Army incursion by early February. A senior senate aide tells KVOA News 4, as of this week, the agency hasn't responded to the senator's demand.

PSM
05-02-2014, 15:47
Glad to see that a Senator from Oklahoma is looking out for Arizona. Wouldn't want to disturb our own senators. :rolleyes:

Pat

PRB
05-02-2014, 16:13
I did not watch the vids and I suspect some BP's can get carried away.
However, Az is the primary entry for illegals from any country...Mexico, SA, and the mid east.
I don't mind checkpoints as all they are doing is looking for illegals...be polite and go thru, I've never been asked for ID as I don't fit the profile..."Are you an American Citizen' is all they ask..I am so I respond Yes.
The only folks that don't like the checkpoints are: Illegals, La Raza and those that believe this is some kind of conspiracy.
I've worked with the BP (JTF 6) and they are generally very conservative guys and would agree with most of you politically.