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MtnGoat
04-17-2014, 21:47
Putin’s new kind of war

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2014/04/vladimir_putin_s_new_war_in_ukraine_the_kremlin_is _reinventing_how_russia.html

So anyone that thinks Russia or better USSR is not conducting false flag operations is kidding themselves. Not like KGB have never conducted a wave of bombings in Russia in order to justify war against Chechnya. Gee didn't that put Vladimir Putin into power? It's like what the Turkish government has been caught doing in the past with bombing its own and blaming it on a rebel group to justify a crackdown on that group. Not like the Turkish Government is doing that lately.

So are these Ukrainian units Russian soldiers? Likely not, but FSB/GRU elements inside, yes. Russian elements are working some magic inside Ukraine for sure.

So lets look at the recently US sanctioned, seems a number of Russian officials have been named for their role in the Russian annexation of Crimea. One of those sanctioned was the chief of the GRU who apparently sent in one of the Russian Spetsnaz regiments into eastern Ukraine and Crimea with orders to wear civilian clothes or uniforms with no insignia. We saw the news reports of this and I think there is pictures of the Spetsnaz blue/white tee. Reportly to contact pro-Russians civilians, you think the FSB and GRU don't maintains lists of those kinds of people? Spetsnaz were to carry out a plan to return Crimea to Russian control.

Reported here.. http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsf/articles/20140325.aspx

MtnGoat
04-17-2014, 22:49
The Russians have always been good at this kind of thing. They learned it in WWII. They look at it as part of their conventional operations instead of separate UW operations and thus tend to integrate behind the lines, preemptive softening etc very well. While it may be obvious to anyone with half a brain they KNOW keeping that deniability will be enough sometimes because it is what you can prove in court not what you know they did. In fact being obvious without making it open per say tends to set their foes against each other arguing what to do without action while they work their magic. That is just my take on it. I am not an intel guy at all just a broke down old CA guy.

I say just look at who the Chinese operating on the cyber and organized crime side comparatively to the Russians. Russian know OPSEC and hind very well in an environment that is hard too.

LarryW
05-05-2014, 07:46
"War to the hilt between Communism and Capitalism is inevitable. Today, of course, we are not strong enough to attack. Our time will come in 20 or 30 years. To win, we shall need the element of surprise. The bourgeoisie will have to be put to sleep. So we shall begin by launching the most spectacular peace movement on record. There will be electrifying overtures and unheard-of concessions. The capitalistic countries, stupid and decadent, will rejoice to cooperate in their own destruction. They will leap at another chance to be friends. As soon as their guard is down, we will smash them with our clenched fist." (Dimitry Z. Manulsky, to the Lenin School of Political Warfare, 1931.)

(and)

"Destroy a nation's morality, and it will fall in your lap like ripe fruit from a tree."
(Vladimir Lenin)

(heads up)

"All things prepare the event. Watch." (Thomas a Becket from TS Eliot's Murder in the Cathedral)