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Snaquebite
04-02-2014, 06:44
Has everyone got their new umbrella and filed their tattoo declaration?
http://www.armyg1.army.mil/hr/uniform/
Telling Soldiers that ANYTHING is "punitive" is like telling the kids you're gonna tell daddy when he gets home. There was a day when EVERYTHING was punitive if "big sarge" told you to fucking execute and you didnt.
...and 'big-sarge' never had to remind you that "get a fucking haircut" was a punitive order.
I reckon its like all "animals being equal"...
..."All punitive regulations are punitive, but some punitive regulations are more punitive than others".
It's speaks volumes to someones TRUE leadership talent when they have to invoke "daddy will punish you when he gets home"
Punitive schmunitive.
TrapperFrank
04-02-2014, 11:51
There was a post on another web site quoting some black female soldiers claiming that the new policy on hair (braids, cornrows, etc.) was rayciss. It warms my heart that the army has so few problems that CSA Chandler, GEN Dempsey and Odierno can focus all their efforts on a revised, updated and relevant AR 670-1.
Trapper, it's all about "me". Iz bee kneading much corn-rows an Shiit, you white cracker muffin-flockers don know nuffin from nuffin.
Nothing like getting With the program huh? Maybe we can all hide in our cars when retreat is played.....:mad:
I had a female soldier (no capital "S" for her) argue with me that it impedes her ability for a natural hair style and it's racist. I asked what natural hairstyle she was referring too.
...............corn rows and braids.
I sat my coffee down on my vehicle in the motorpool and asked her where in the fuck she has ever seen anyone have hair that grows naturally in cornrows and braids. I told her to just get back to checking her vehicle and moving out without bringing it up again. I told her if she had an issue, please go talk with the 1SG.
Her supervisor came to ask me WTF happened because she was huffy and someone "wronged her". He realized it was me and went back to explain the circumstances.
Racist against natural hair. Give me a fucking break. :mad:
I get to keep my sideburns......I'm fine now. :D
I agree with Billy on the "punitive" items. I still know that telling someone to do something that is required by reg or enforcing it is one way to bring holy Hell if it goes without action. I don't lead through fear, but I do spot check my guys and I get the slow nod, no talking, no crying and bitching. Fixed after lunch and we go about our jobs. Very rare, so there is no need to bring the hate.
The Reaper
04-02-2014, 19:29
The more people you run off, the fewer you have to cut.
And has anyone here who served not seen the full Predator Dreadzilla, in uniform, with braids pulled into a basketball that would require its own helmet?
TR
The more people you run off, the fewer you have to cut.
And has anyone here who served not seen the full Predator Dreadzilla, in uniform, with braids pulled into a basketball that would require its own helmet?
TR
I have and seen "it" try to wear a helmet. Chinstrap let out completely, sitting on top of the head with 75% of the head exposed. Defeats the purpose, but you can get them all "hooahed" up and send them to recon......by fire if needed :D
I've been pretty lucky over the years simply because of the restriction on women in SF but I suspect once the brass figures out how to squeeze females through the Q-Course it will show up a lot more often.
Maybe with dreadzilla in the ranks we wont get hassled as much about civilian hiking shoes and velcro team patches on field uniforms.
Some things are more important than other things....
The more people you run off, the fewer you have to cut.
TR
That may be exactly what Chandler, Dempsey and Odierno want.
RIF by hair stylist.. :lifter
Surgicalcric
04-03-2014, 19:58
That may be exactly what Chandler, Dempsey and Odierno want.
RIF by hair stylist.. :lifter
They came by Walter Reed not long ago to talk to the troops, ie:taut their good ideas. I walked right past them, as they were discussing decreased capability to soldier for amputees, with my ruck on headed for a short 6-miler. I so badly wanted to invite them to join me. When I returned they were still running off their soup coolers to the few impressionable LTs and junior CPTs left... I nodded and headed for a shower.
We need true leadership in the military as a whole.
turboprop
04-03-2014, 20:17
They came by Walter Reed not long ago to talk to the troops, ie:taut their good ideas. I walked right past them, as they were discussing decreased capability to soldier for amputees, with my ruck on headed for a short 6-miler. I so badly wanted to invite them to join me. When I returned they were still running off their soup coolers to the few impressionable LTs and junior CPTs left... I nodded and headed for a shower.
Fuck yeah. That's awesome man.
You made this thread cool. Strong work with the rehab.
futureSOF
04-08-2014, 18:01
said Mark Anthony Neal, an African-American studies professor at Duke University. "And it's not that there aren't other examples of such policing among other racial and ethnic groups. But, given the fraught relationship between black identity and culture and what some Americans might perceive as 'normal,' it strikes a particularly dissonant chord among some blacks."]
Hmm I seem to remember a certain group of professors at Duke having a problem with the normal perception of innocent until proven guilty back in 2006
1stindoor
04-09-2014, 06:26
Maybe it's official and I'm becoming a seriously grumpy old man...but isn't it still an all volunteer Army? If they don't like the rules, stay the f%&K home!
futureSOF
04-28-2014, 21:03
Can somebody explain the whole "no more than 4 below the elbow or knee, can't be bigger than your hand" thing? Does that only apply to those grandfathered in, or does it also apply to new recruits enlisting after it fully takes effect?
AngelsSix
04-29-2014, 07:19
Frankly, I am glad I am retired. All of the social experimentation in the military is too much now. Everyone that wants to find something offensive does so due to race, gender, sexuality or religion. There is no place for this in the military. There is also no place in the military for individuals. If people do not like the rules they can get the fuck out.
Habu-MFFI 175
05-06-2014, 18:52
Doesn't matter to some what you all them to do, they are going to bitch, moan and whine. Give them ice cream and they will bitch cause there aren't any sprinkles. :confused:
Glad I'm retired also. Times have changed for sure.
Snaquebite
09-17-2014, 07:36
Never heard of the "next of kin" lapel pin... and a LOT more PCness
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/09/17/army-revamps-appearance-regulations-after-controversy.html#.VBmLc6dCvH0.facebook
WASHINGTON -- The Army on Tuesday loosened some rules on tattoos, decorative body mutilation and women's hairstyles in an update to the regulation governing appearance and uniform wear.
The Army in March issued a heavily updated Army Regulation 670-1, which, among other things, caused grumbling in the ranks with tightened requirements for tattoos and introduced controversial guidelines for women's hair.
In a letter to Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel that followed, the Congressional Black Caucus declared "the use of words like 'unkempt' and 'matted' when referring to traditional hairstyles worn by women of color are offensive and biased."
The new regulation removes the offending words, which were used to describe dreadlocks. But dreadlocks -- now defined as "any permanently twisted, or locked coils or ropes of hair (or extensions) or hair tangled closely together" -- remain forbidden in the Army.
The new revision also tones down a paragraph that laid down the law on women's hairstyles, removing discussion of bans on "locks and twists (not including French rolls/twists or corn rows)" and cutting out two references to braids. In one change, the policy now authorizes temporary, two-strand hair twists for women.
The revision has a number of new rules for tattoos.
Enlisted members with tattoos grandfathered under the March regulations can now seek a commission or an appointment. Previously, enlisted members could continue in the military as long as their tattoos did not violate policies against racist or extremist speech, and were not inked on forbidden areas of the body like the face, but could not become officers.
The new regulation also makes clear that soldiers can't add to grandfathered tattoos on parts of the body, such as lower arms and legs, where tattoos are unacceptable for new recruits.
The updated regulation also clarifies requirements for body mutilation or modification, specifying that plastic surgery and other medically approved changes to the body are acceptable. And, the regulation says, troops who entered the Army with approved mutilations -- a bifurcated tongue, for example -- before April 2014 can seek an exception to policy.
Among other changes, soldiers can now wear certain health gadgets -- activity trackers, pedometers and heart rate monitors -- with Army uniforms.
Soldiers also can wear the "next of kin" lapel pin on their service and dress uniforms. The pin is for the immediate family of military members killed on duty, outside of combat operations.
28907
awesome...
Douglas C. Neidermeyer would not be pleased by seeing a lapel pin on your uniform...
miclo18d
09-18-2014, 05:56
awesome...
Douglas C. Neidermeyer would not be pleased by seeing a lapel pin on your uniform...
You always nail it in the ten ring Billy!!!!!