View Full Version : Completion of NG-SF pipeline
swimr235
03-21-2014, 10:51
There are certain issues that are exclusive to reserves/national guard special operations selection courses. Work issues, family issues, financial hang ups and what not. Active duty guys are not without their own obstacles but those of us that are choosing this route, I believe in my opinion, have a certain set of issues that are exclusive to us...lets say...part timers. My question is, are there any members or admins of this forum that are or know of anyone, prior service or otherwise, that has gone through the National Guard SF pipeline, start to finish? I'd like to get their view on how things went, ins and outs, how these extrinsic situations factored into the experience and how it was handled. To clarify, I am not trying to get a "tips & strategies" outline, I'm asking due to the nature of my own current track and to compare and contrast. Thanks.
- nick
TrapperFrank
03-21-2014, 11:55
I went through as a Guardsman/REP 63. Of course, that was in 1979-80. My experiences probably would not be of help to you. We were issued "pickle suits" at reception station.
swimr235
03-21-2014, 12:54
I went through as a Guardsman/REP 63. Of course, that was in 1979-80. My experiences probably would not be of help to you. We were issued "pickle suits" at reception station.
It is....slight dated. But only just... :) How was it though? as a NGman?
Nick
There are several 20th SFG here with all fashion of stories of how they earned their tab. Including this FOG from the early 70t's, but that's not going to help you.
As your profile say South Florida, I would suggest you dig around here, find the POC for the 3/20th at Blanding and do some face time with the recruiting staff.
The clock is running, don't waste time, Good Luck.
swimr235
03-21-2014, 13:07
Nick
There are several 20th SFG here with all fashion of stories of how they earned their tab. Including this FOG from the early 70t's, but that's not going to help you.
As your profile say South Florida, I would suggest you dig around here, find the POC for the 3/20th at Blanding and do some face time with the recruiting staff.
The clock is running, don't waste time, Good Luck.
I have some numbers that I can call. Ill start there. Nice quote...gaelic right? I've read it before somewhere else...I think in a pub down here or Key West.
I've read it before somewhere else...I think in a pub down here or Key West.
Maybe KW, I have been a frequent visitor for 47 yrs, and lived there for 17 yrs.. There are several drinking establishments, including Irish Kevin's, that I actively supported,, frequently..
:D
swimr235
03-21-2014, 13:23
Maybe KW, I have been a frequent visitor for 47 yrs, and lived there for 17 yrs.. There are several drinking establishments, including Irish Kevin's, that I actively supported,, frequently..
:D
Its a short drive for me, 2+ hours, just had a 3 week AT down there and had my wife and 6 month old come down for valentines. Had a good time. There is one pub that has probably the best wings I've ever eaten, Finnegans Wake, I believe. Some good dark irish beers on tap as well.
If you go as a Rep 63, you will become "active" until you finish the course or wash out.
If I remember correctly, if you are not a rep 63, once you start the Q-course, you'll stay until the end. Or at least that's how the NG guys in my class did.
If you go as a Rep 63, you will become "active" until you finish the course or wash out.
If I remember correctly, if you are not a rep 63, once you start the Q-course, you'll stay until the end. Or at least that's how the NG guys in my class did.
REP-63 is a law (enlistment contract) that allows someone to enlist (off the street) in the ARNG or USAR and begin drilling, and accumulating TIS before going on AD for training. It is not SF specific.
TrapperFrank
03-22-2014, 06:44
SWMR263, I will say this about my experiences at the Q course, circa 1979-80 time frame. The only time the army made an issue out of being Guard/Reserve was at OSUT. My OSUT experience was a miserable one. That being said, once I got to airborne school, the game changed. The instructors were professional and everything I expected the army to be. Once I hit Ft. Bragg, the pre-phase courses were taught by SGM Nail's team from 5th Group, they were mostly Vietnam vets and once again outstanding instructors. The Q Course was one of the defining moments of my life. The leadership included people like COL Ola Mize, a soldier's soldier and MOH recipient. During my time at the Q, I made lifetime friends, grew up a whole lot and learned invaluable lifetime lessons. When it was over, I didn't want to go home.
mark46th
03-22-2014, 09:01
"were taught by SGM Nail's team from 5th Group" T Frank
SGM Nails was one of my Phase I instructors in February of 1971, although I believe he was an SSG or SFC at the time....Good times.
You're greatest source of info will be the members of the training detachment from the NG unit that sends you. Every NG SF State seems to have the same common theme (pay issues, promotion issues) but there are some issues that's unique then others.
For example for me I did a PCS move to the SFQC pre 9-11. When 9-11 happened, every NG SF soldier was mobilized and was sent on TCS orders (they got thier BAH for thier HOR) while I and the unlucky few received BAH for Bragg vs our HOR.
For me it was 1SGT Nail at Phase I in 1975. SGM Nail at Phase III in 1976. And PFC Nail at the 'O' course in 1980. Him and that damn wooden eye. Great respect for the man.
TrapperFrank
03-23-2014, 21:46
SGM Nail was harder than woodpecker lips. I ran into him again when I attended SERE school in 1991. He was moving around those obstacles like a man half his age. At the time, he was minus a number of body parts. Needless to say, I was impressed.
SGM Nail was harder than woodpecker lips. I ran into him again when I attended SERE school in 1991. He was moving around those obstacles like a man half his age. At the time, he was minus a number of body parts. Needless to say, I was impressed.
He was still demonstrating the obstacle course in 2000 and awed a couple of us...
There are certain issues that are exclusive to reserves/national guard special operations selection courses. Work issues, family issues, financial hang ups and what not. Active duty guys are not without their own obstacles but those of us that are choosing this route, I believe in my opinion, have a certain set of issues that are exclusive to us...lets say...part timers. My question is, are there any members or admins of this forum that are or know of anyone, prior service or otherwise, that has gone through the National Guard SF pipeline, start to finish? I'd like to get their view on how things went, ins and outs, how these extrinsic situations factored into the experience and how it was handled. To clarify, I am not trying to get a "tips & strategies" outline, I'm asking due to the nature of my own current track and to compare and contrast. Thanks.
- nick
The biggest issue with being in the guard and being in the school house from what I've found is the coordination between your home unit and the school. Being in the Guard, every fiscal year you'll have to get new orders cut. This means you'll have to get your wife a new ID and make sure everything is still working within Tricare/DEERS every time you get your new orders. This may not sound like a big issue but without fail, your orders will stop while you're supposed to be in the field or gone for one reason or another and you'll have to get a hold of order extensions and all that before hand. The people in the Guard Liaison office are very helpful and should get things taken care of in a timely manner. My orders were going to cut out while I'll be at Robin Sage here in a couple weeks but they got them extended and even got my wife's contact info in the event that the orders didn't make it down before I headed out. Another downside is that your state has to update your ERB. What this has meant for me is that I've had an incorrect one for the last nearly two years. It'll get updated once you reach your unit. As for being treated as a 'part timer', I haven't come across any of that other than friendly ribbing every once in a while. You're treated according to your rank and how you present yourself.
Surgicalcric
03-31-2014, 09:59
As a NG guy I found those having issues in the course did so because they werent proactive in taking care of their own shit.
The Reaper
03-31-2014, 11:01
As a NG guy I found those having issues in the course did so because they werent proactive in taking care of their own shit.
Welcome back, hermano!
TR
pjbluetogreen
05-21-2014, 19:07
The biggest issue with being in the guard and being in the school house from what I've found is the coordination between your home unit and the school. Being in the Guard, every fiscal year you'll have to get new orders cut. This means you'll have to get your wife a new ID and make sure everything is still working within Tricare/DEERS every time you get your new orders. This may not sound like a big issue but without fail, your orders will stop while you're supposed to be in the field or gone for one reason or another and you'll have to get a hold of order extensions and all that before hand. The people in the Guard Liaison office are very helpful and should get things taken care of in a timely manner. My orders were going to cut out while I'll be at Robin Sage here in a couple weeks but they got them extended and even got my wife's contact info in the event that the orders didn't make it down before I headed out. Another downside is that your state has to update your ERB. What this has meant for me is that I've had an incorrect one for the last nearly two years. It'll get updated once you reach your unit. As for being treated as a 'part timer', I haven't come across any of that other than friendly ribbing every once in a while. You're treated according to your rank and how you present yourself.
AGREED. in the year+ i have been here at the Q these have been some of the more common issues. Also for my fellow PS NG guys getting promoted must be handled by your home unit as well. I have also had a couple of unique issues but i do know of a couple of guys with similar ones to mine: ie. my State has some how received word on 2 occasions that i have been dropped IVW from the course while still in the course. This week I received an email telling me that i have an ATARs date to start the 18C course in july (lol) being that I am currently in the "18D Legacy" pipeline in SOCM and SFMS.
a couple big take homes are 1.make sure you keep in contact with your home unit and the NG Lesion during your time in the Q and your going to be fine. Second and maybe more importantly make sure your home like is squared away before you try get down here. Way to many dude leave with their S* in a mess and expect to not have problems here. Simple sign of a dude a dont want on team with me.