Connecticut sends out the first confiscation letters

[Sdiver]

.... and so it begins ....

:munchin

Connecticut sends out the first confiscation letters

Gun confiscations is one step closer in Connecticut. The mainstream media spins it as “one more chance” for non-compliant gun owners who failed to register their scary guns before the January 1 deadline.

In reality, these letters - 106 to rifle owners, and 108 more to residents with standard capacity magazines – are the first step in the Connecticut State Police beginning to round up guns arbitrarily made illegal last year in that state. These guns include America’s favorite rifle, the AR-15 and magazines over 10 rounds, which include the standard capacity magazines made for that America’s favorite rifle.

Failure to register is now a felony now in Connecticut.

How long will it be before there is bloodshed over this law? We’re not sure, but we’re confident it is coming unless the law is rescinded or struck down by the courts.

Mike Vanderboegh of the edgy Sipsey Street Irregulars released an open letter a couple of weeks ago,warning of what’s coming to Connecticut. The Connecticut State Police aren’t listening. Yet.

We suspect attitudes may change after the first few rounds of bloodshed.

As it stands right now, the best estimates are that 4% of newly-regulated guns and magazines in The Nutmeg State have been registered, leaving a hundred thousand or more newly classified potential felons looking over their shoulder.


One more chance for gun owners

Posted: Monday, February 24, 2014 3:35 pm | Updated: 3:36 pm, Mon Feb 24, 2014.

Manchester, CT (Journal Inquirer) – When state officials decided to accept some gun registrations and magazine declarations that arrived after a Jan. 4 deadline, they also had to deal with those applications that didn’t make the cut.

The state now holds signed and notarized letters saying those late applicants own rifles and magazines illegally.

But rather than turn that information over to prosecutors, state officials are giving the gun owners a chance to get rid of the weapons and magazines.

http://americanlibertyriders.ning.com/forum/topics/connecticut-sends-out-the-first-confiscation-letters?xg_source=activity

[Pete]

100,000 new felons - the DoJ is happy but wishing all 57 states had such laws.

[Box]

...it would appear that many the subjects from Connecticut are going to make the prison overcrowding problem worse.

They should have purchased stolen guns. Then they wouldn't need to worry about registration.

[tonyz]

I sincerely pray that liberty and cooler heads prevail.

When supporters of the Second Amendment say that registration leads to confiscation...well...I guess everyone sees why...it's not hyperbole.

Wonder if there will be sanctuary cities?

[Box]

...didn't someone say registration/confiscation could never happen in America?

[tonyz]

When is standing for the God-given right of self defense...self defense?

The courts and the legislature may not yet be ready for the issues that CT seems hell bent on pushing.

[Trapper John]

But, but, but.....think of the children! :rolleyes:

[The Reaper]

"Sorry, I sold all of mine."

TR

[TacOfficer]

Another article.
IMHO, this is a failure of the legislative process. Passing a law for political expediency, when it's clear that those that it effects the most are least likely to comply is just irresponsible. The timing is horrendous. The fact it has taken effect during an election cycle, means that any chance of modification or repeal is likely nil.

Hmm, makes me think of a federal law that has noncompliance, been modified and had it's deadline expire, then extended for political expediency. Will the democrats apply enforcement to their own base?

I do not envy the position state law enforcement has been put in.
http://touch.courant.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79243214/

[Penn]

I can not find, locate, or confirm the "Manchester, CT Journal gun confiscation letter" exist. Can anyone locate a copy of the letter?

[mojaveman]

Maybe I missed something but if the firearms weren't currently registered how did the State of Conneticut know who to mail the letters too?

The Peoples Republic of Kalifornia made registration of "assualt weapons" a law in 2000 and some people registered them but a whole lot didn't. Funny, I know a county deputy sheriff who didn't and I know another guy who didn't and got caught. He was charged with a several felonies and it ended up costing him a lot of money to get himself out of it.

[TacOfficer]

I can not find, locate, or confirm the "Manchester, CT Journal gun confiscation letter" exist. Can anyone locate a copy of the letter?

From the article I reference:

"A lot of it is just a question to ask, and I think the firearms unit would be looking at it," said Mike Lawlor, the state's top official in criminal justice. "They could send them a letter."

It appears to be only a possibility at this point........

[PSM]

The Peoples Republic of Kalifornia made registration of "assualt weapons" a law in 2000 and some people registered them but a whole lot didn't.

Not weapons bought prior to 2000.

Pat

[mojaveman]

Not weapons bought prior to 2000.

It is my understanding and belief that the law required every defined assualt weapon to be registered regardless of when it was manufactured. That would have been roughly 500,000 to 1,000,000 firearms that needed to be registered. Less than 30,000 were.

[PSM]

It is my understanding and belief that that the law required every assualt weapon as defined to be registered regardless of when it was manufactured. That would have been roughly 500,000 to 1,000,000 firearms that needed to be registered. Less that 30,000 were.

It was confusing, but I think there was a grandfather clause in there. I didn't register mine and my neighbor was an LAPD detective and saw it many times without question or comment. It even had a folding stock occasionally which was an even bigger no-no. :eek: :D

DISREGARD! I was thinking of the magazine ban. I had 3 stocks for the gun but put the non-folding non-pistol grip stock on it. The detective saw the stocks that I changed to when out of state and made no comment about owning them. The magazines were grandfathered.

Pat

[Go Devil]

Home contact information for those that voted "yes" on this malfunction
Is listed on the link below...

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2014/02/a-sipsey-street-public-service.html?m=1

[ddoering]

To paraphrase a famous Patriot,"If they mean to start a war that's as good of a place to do it."

[Trapper John]

"Sorry, I sold all of mine."

TR

Yep, almost got daughter #1 married off.....Oh, wait, you meant guns didn't ya? Never mind! :D

[Sdiver]

Apparently, this is the letter that was sent out.

It was posted on several pages over on FB, which then apparently caught the attention of the FB posting Nazis, who seem fit to delete it from those posting it.

Glad I was able to save it .....

[tonyz]

Apparently, this is the letter that was sent out.

It was posted on several pages over on FB, which then apparently caught the attention of the FB posting Nazis, who seem fit to delete it from those posting it.

Glad I was able to save it .....

Good catch - it's up on some firearm forums but I was holding out for an actual as opposed to a deemed "confiscation" letter.

The rub seems to be that the letter was sent to individuals who attempted to comply by sending in registration applications - but the state alleges that the applications were late.

Thus, the otherwise lawful gun owners self-identified as possessing the evil rifles or magazines or both.

The state's response appears consistent with the idiocy of the original legislation...the folks who self-identified can rest easy, however...afterall...I suspect they too have a pen and a phone...;)

[Box]

...looks like two possible outcomes


Shot dead in your house by peace officers coming to secure your illegally owned property

A long stay in one of the reeducation camps that I expect to see popping up in the next few years

[Go Devil]

Here is the list of email addresses.

Catherine.Abercrombie@cga.ct.gov, Ernest.Hewett@cga.ct.gov, Peter.Tercyak@cga.ct.gov, Brenda.Kupchick@housegop.ct.gov, William.Tong@cga.ct.gov, Gary.Holder-Winfield@cga.ct.gov, David.Alexander@cga.ct.gov, Diana.Urban@cga.ct.gov, Gail.Lavielle@housegop.ct.gov, Claire.Janowski@cga.ct.gov, Edwin.Vargas@cga.ct.gov, Angel.Arce@cga.ct.gov, Susan.Johnson@cga.ct.gov, Joe.Verrengia@cga.ct.gov, David.Arconti@cga.ct.gov, Tom.Vicino@cga.ct.gov, Joe.Aresimowicz@cga.ct.gov, David.Kiner@cga.ct.gov, Toni.Walker@cga.ct.gov, Patricia.Widlitz@cga.ct.gov, Timothy.Larson@cga.ct.gov, Christina.Ayala@cga.ct.gov, Terry.Backer@cga.ct.gov, Roland.Lemar@cga.ct.gov, Roberta.Willis@cga.ct.gov, Tom.ODea@housegop.ct.gov, David.Baram@cga.ct.gov, Matthew.Lesser@cga.ct.gov, Christopher.Wright@cga.ct.gov, Arthur.Oneill@housegop.ct.gov, Brian.Becker@cga.ct.gov, Rick.Lopes@cga.ct.gov, Elissa.Wright@cga.ct.gov, Betty.Boukus@cga.ct.gov, Geoff.Luxenberg@cga.ct.gov, James.Maroney@cga.ct.gov, Larry.Butler@cga.ct.gov, Juan.Candelaria@cga.ct.gov, Brandon.McGee@cga.ct.gov, Robert.Megna@cga.ct.gov, Charles.D.Clemons@cga.ct.gov, Michelle.Cook@cga.ct.gov, Patricia.Miller@cga.ct.gov, John.Shaban@housegop.ct.gov, Bill.Aman@housegop.ct.gov, Philip.Miller@cga.ct.gov, Victor.Cuevas@cga.ct.gov, Michael.DAgostino@cga.ct.gov, Russell.Morin@cga.ct.gov, Richard.Smith@housegop.ct.gov, Prasad.Srinivasan@housegop.ct.gov, Bruce.Morris@cga.ct.gov, Stephen.Dargan@cga.ct.gov, Paul.Davis@cga.ct.gov, Edward.Moukawsher@cga.ct.gov, Mitch.Bolinsky@housegop.ct.gov, Stephen.Walko@housegop.ct.gov, Mike.Demicco@cga.ct.gov, Mary.Mushinsky@cga.ct.gov, Patricia.Dillon@cga.ct.gov, Sandy.Nafis@cga.ct.gov, Larry.Cafero@housegop.ct.gov, Terrie.Wood@housegop.ct.gov, Joe.Diminico@cga.ct.gov, David.Yaccarino@housegop.ct.gov, Elaine.Obrien@cga.ct.gov, Kim.Fawcett@cga.ct.gov, Chris.Perone@cga.ct.gov, Christie.Carpino@housegop.ct.gov, Lonnie.Reed@cga.ct.gov, Andrew.Fleischmann@cga.ct.gov, Mae.Flexer@cga.ct.gov, Emmett.Riley@cga.ct.gov, Dan.Fox@cga.ct.gov, Matthew.Ritter@cga.ct.gov, Brendan.Sharkey@cga.ct.gov, Jason.Rojas@cga.ct.gov, Gerald.Fox@cga.ct.gov, Mary.Fritz@cga.ct.gov, Livvy.Floren@housegop.ct.gov, Henry.Genga@cga.ct.gov, John.Frey@housegop.ct.gov, Linda.Gentile@cga.ct.gov, Bobby.Sanchez@cga.ct.gov, Minnie.Gonzalez@cga.ct.gov, Ezequiel.Santiago@cga.ct.gov, Jeffrey.Berger@cga.ct.gov, Auden.Grogins@cga.ct.gov, Hilda.Santiago@cga.ct.gov, DebraLee.Hovey@housegop.ct.gov, Bob.Godfrey@cga.ct.gov, Tony.Guerrera@cga.ct.gov, Brian.Sear@cga.ct.gov, Elizabeth.Ritter@cga.ct.gov, Tony.Hwang@housegop.ct.gov, Joseph.Serra@cga.ct.gov, Gregory.Haddad@cga.ct.gov, John.Hampton@cga.ct.gov, Charlie.Stallworth@cga.ct.gov, Themis.Klarides@housegop.ct.gov, Noreen.Kokoruda@housegop.ct.gov, Jonathan.Steinberg@cga.ct.gov, Jack.Hennessy@cga.ct.gov, John.Fonfara@cga.ct.gov, Kevin.Kelly@cga.ct.gov, Andres.Ayala@cga.ct.gov, Michael.McLachlan@cga.ct.gov, Duff@senatedems.ct.gov, Toni.Boucher@cga.ct.gov, John.McKinney@cga.ct.gov, Bartolomeo@senatedems.ct.gov, Hartley@senatedems.ct.gov, Len.Fasano@cga.ct.gov, Scott.Frantz@cga.ct.gov, Eric.Coleman@cga.ct.gov, Andrea.Stillman@cga.ct.gov, Gary.LeBeau@cga.ct.gov, Steve.Cassano@cga.ct.gov, Antony.Musto@cga.ct.gov, Beth.Bye@cga.ct.gov, Terry.Gerratana@cga.ct.gov, Paul.Doyle@cga.ct.gov, Carlo.Leone@cga.ct.gov, martin.looney@cga.ct.gov, Donald.Williams@cga.ct.gov, Edward.Meyer@cga.ct.gov, Gayle.Slossberg@cga.ct.gov, Joseph.Crisco@cga.ct.gov

[tonyz]

Here's an interesting little form in CT (the Constitution State, oh the irony).

http://www.ct.gov/despp/lib/despp/slfu/firearms/dps-3-c.pdf

I think you need a license or eligibility certificate or some other such nonsense to buy ammo now, too.

...hunting licenses, concealed carry permits, credit card purchases...license plate readers...we are talking felony...

I hope the Constitution State respects the 4th...they clearly have no love for the 2nd...pardon me if I am not optimistic.

[MtnGoat]

"Sorry, I sold all of mine."

TR

During the Clinton first term gun fear period I was in Alaska and saw this with guns stolen.

[Sdiver]

***A WARNING FROM OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH***

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03XEUPfD0qM

"Gun registration does NOT lead to gun confiscation."

Riiiiiiiiiight ... :rolleyes:

Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.

MOLON LABE

[Stiletto11]

By Ed Jacovino Journal Inquirer

When state officials decided to accept some gun registrations and magazine declarations that arrived after a Jan. 4 deadline, they also had to deal with those applications that didn’t make the cut.

The state now holds signed and notarized letters saying those late applicants own rifles and magazines illegally.

But rather than turn that information over to prosecutors, state officials are giving the gun owners a chance to get rid of the weapons and magazines.

The state is sending letters to 106 rifle owners and 108 residents with high-capacity magazines saying they can destroy the guns and ammunition, sell them to a federally licensed gun dealer, move the items out of state or sell them to somebody out of state, or make arrangements to turn them over to local or state police.

Those who fail to do so could face serious criminal penalties.

Once people realize they can’t keep the guns and magazines, “they’re going to get rid of them,” Michael P. Lawlor, the undersecretary for criminal justice policy and planning to Gov. Dannel P. Malloy, says.

Late applicants

The Department of Emergency Management and Public Protection initially set a Jan 1 registration date for owners to declare guns and ammunition.

But 266 rifle registrations and 506 magazine declarations made it to the state with postmarks after Jan. 1, and gun owners complained that post offices had closed early and without notice on Dec. 31.

Lawmakers thought they’d need to pass a bill so the state could count all or some of those applications or extend the deadline. But Gov. Dannel P. Malloy decided this month that legislation wasn’t needed — as long as applications were postmarked by Jan. 4 and signed before Jan. 1, the state would accept them.

And while the state won’t immediately prosecute those who missed the deadline, it isn’t ignoring that information, either.

The rifle and magazine declarations will be included in information given to police responding to a certain address. “This would be a factor in deciding how to respond to different situations,” Lawlor says.

Ron Pinciaro, executive director of the Connecticut Coalition Against Gun Violence, says the administration’s approach of sending a warning letter is suitable.

“It’s fair. They’re giving them fair warning that they’re in noncompliance,” he says.

Pinciaro adds that he’s glad a new bill wasn’t necessary — lawmakers were considering changes that would have extended the deadline beyond Jan. 4.

“Now we’re saying, ‘OK, we gave them eight months, what else can we do for them now?’ That’s not the way any other law works,” he says.

State lawmakers passed a law last year in response to the 2012 Newtown school shootings that banned the sale of some rifles and of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. But they allowed those who own the guns and magazines to keep them as long as they registered the items with the state by Jan. 1. State residents registered 50,016 rifles. In addition, 38,290 Connecticut residents said they have high-capacity magazines.

They only know of those that have attempted to register but were late and I think those are the letters they are referring to. So Joe the sheep tries to do what he thinks is right, but doesn't pay attention to the dates and now is in "non compliance." Oh well.

[Stobey]

This thread is where a copy of the letter may be found:

http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/1978795_517533805025943_1398729646_n.jpg

[cbtengr]

Perhaps it's time for those folks to follow the lead of Coloradan's and mount a recall effort to purge their state of these do gooders.

[Sdiver]

Lt. Vance, of the Sandy Hook "shooting" fame, tells caller, he is "The Master", and will follow any law even if it's unconstitutional.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUxjuz2o9Gk

:munchin

[Sdiver]

More civil disobedience from the "Constitution State".

People are blacking out the word CONSTITUTION on their license plates. :D

[Max_Tab]

More civil disobedience from the "Constitution State".

People are blacking out the word CONSTITUTION on their license plates. :D

Need to do that to all the cop cars.

[Paslode]

An alleged a taped conversation with Lt. Paul Vance about just following orders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUxjuz2o9Gk#t=393

[Team Sergeant]

An alleged a taped conversation with Lt. Paul Vance about just following orders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUxjuz2o9Gk#t=393

Most of the US military will not follow "unlawful" orders.

Law enforcement does not take an oath to defend the Constitution, they are civilians and as such and they can quit at any time any place.

Soon one of them will decide to enforce the unconstitutional law and attempt to confiscate legally owned guns. Soon the first shots for Freedom will again be fired and once again the blood of patriots will run in the streets. They had better hope the first individual they pick to make an example of is not a combat vet.........

[Five-O]

Most of the US military will not follow "unlawful" orders.

Law enforcement does not take an oath to defend the Constitution, they are civilians and as such and they can quit at any time any place.

Soon one of them will decide to enforce the unconstitutional law and attempt to confiscate legally owned guns. Soon the first shots for Freedom will again be fired and once again the blood of patriots will run in the streets. They had better hope the first individual they pick to make an example of is not a combat vet.........

While the above is certainly the worst case senario, I am hoping an attorney files a lawsuit arguing this law as unconstitutional (as it clearly is). I hope an injunction of this law is ordered until such time the case can be argued. There have been other laws passed that have been successfully argued in court as being unconstitutional.

[tom kelly]

I, recently received a letter from the Department of Veterans Affairs Medical Center extending the opportunity to request free gun locks to the Veterans we serve. It seems I was randomly selected for this mailing to 500 Veterans simply because I have an upcoming appointment at our facility. The letter states you can receive up to 4 free gun locks for personal use. The letter was signed by Enrique Guttin, MD. I returned my form stating that I did not have any guns at my location.....Guns are crew served weapons. & I do not have any crew served weapons any where. TK

[SF_BHT]

I, recently received a letter from the Department of Veterans Affairs Medical Center extending the opportunity to request free gun locks to the Veterans we serve. It seems I was randomly selected for this mailing to 500 Veterans simply because I have an upcoming appointment at our facility. The letter states you can receive up to 4 free gun locks for personal use. The letter was signed by Enrique Guttin, MD. I returned my form stating that I did not have any guns at my location.....Guns are crew served weapons. & I do not have any crew served weapons any where. TK

They have no business getting involved in weapons issues. They are there to provide medical assistance. Just another way to gather info.

[Streck-Fu]

They have no business getting involved in weapons issues. They are there to provide medical assistance. Just another way to gather info.

For the same reason civilian doctors ask about gun ownership during a routine check up......data collection....

[Dusty]

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/02/Bypassing-Congress-DOJ-To-Announce-Expansion-To-Background-Checks

[Trapper John]

I, recently received a letter from the Department of Veterans Affairs Medical Center extending the opportunity to request free gun locks to the Veterans we serve. It seems I was randomly selected for this mailing to 500 Veterans simply because I have an upcoming appointment at our facility. The letter states you can receive up to 4 free gun locks for personal use. The letter was signed by Enrique Guttin, MD. I returned my form stating that I did not have any guns at my location.....Guns are crew served weapons. & I do not have any crew served weapons any where. TK

Perfect response Tom...stick with the definitions. Love it! :lifter

[Max_Tab]

Screw the definition and just lie. This is the one thing we have told or children to lie about. ... and my daughter is honest to a fault. If their school or a dr. asks if there are weapons in the home they know to say nope. Bad parenting? I dunno, but they are starting to use the kids to find this informatIon out.

[Dusty]

Say "Come get 'em".

[Pericles]

Say "Come get 'em".

I'll have them ready for you.

[Pericles]

While the above is certainly the worst case senario, I am hoping an attorney files a lawsuit arguing this law as unconstitutional (as it clearly is). I hope an injunction of this law is ordered until such time the case can be argued. There have been other laws passed that have been successfully argued in court as being unconstitutional.

Problem with that is the "standing to sue" notion. You have to be harmed by the law (admit that you did not register your weapons and would be harmed by the law in order to challenge it. Guess what happens to you if you lose in court?

[Stiletto11]

It was challenged and was defeated in federal court. It is on appeal with no injunction. It will most likely go to SCOTUS but after the Obamacare ruling I'm not optimistic. I think this will be a Mexican standoff where the CT government won't back down and neither will the people. The government knows they have painted themselves into a corner. Perhaps CT is the test site for the rest of the country; time will tell.

[The Reaper]

As I understand it, people who own guns illegally cannot be required to register them, as that would violate their 5th Amendment rights.

TR

[Dusty]

As I understand it, people who own guns illegally cannot be required to register them, as that would violate their 5th Amendment rights.

TR

:D

[Max_Tab]

It was challenged and was defeated in federal court. It is on appeal with no injunction. It will most likely go to SCOTUS but after the Obamacare ruling I'm not optimistic. I think this will be a Mexican standoff where the CT government won't back down and neither will the people. The government knows they have painted themselves into a corner. Perhaps CT is the test site for the rest of the country; time will tell.

The state won't back down, what will happen as people pop up in the radar (traffic ticket, police called for any reason even if they are the victims) and they are on the list they will have that added to their charges. If they aren't on the list and they get busted with an illegal magazine or rifle, they will be brought in and charged.

there won't be any images of Jack booted thugs going into people's homes. It will be a death of a thousand cuts. They have created a whole class of people who have to live in the shadows and will be afraid to call the police. But it's ok, they aren't undocumented workers, they are only law abiding citizen's.

[Snaquebite]

http://www.callthecops.net/connecticut-halts-plans-round-firearms-finding-cops-state-list/

With in hours a print off of all sworn Law Enforcement officers in the state was obtained. Comparisons of the list of gun owners who failed to comply with registration requirements and sworn LEOs showed a startling figure. Just over 68% of Connecticut cops had failed to register firearms according to the new law.
An anonymous source in the Governors office said lawmakers were dumbfounded. “Someone suggest firing all the cops who failed to register. But the reality of hiring and training that many new police officers is not practical.” The source goes on to say “Senator [redacted to protect our source] said maybe we should issue an official order to all cops to comply with registration or face termination. I mean seriously these people are a special kind of stupid to think that gun-loving cops are going to go along with this blatant violation of the 2nd Amendment.”

[1stindoor]

You know I had thought about the very same thing...a confiscation of an unregistered weapons would make the ideal situation to replenish your supply of "drop guns."

[35NCO]

With CT and or NY, IL, DC, CA..ext, does this mean that if someone is traveling through the state, whom is a residence of another state, with a lawfully owned “banned weapon or magazine”, are they subject to unreasonable search and seizure or forfeiture of the weapon if discovered while being pulled over behind these enemy lines? Question of curiosity, because again this clashes with federal law. The Federal law allows the transportation of any lawfully owned weapon anywhere in the US. How does this work with these states that have made most weapons contraband? It seems like another pick and choose ruling with the AG.

[Streck-Fu]

How interpretive can they be with the part in bold? I don't think any state would try to restrict such safe passage for travelers.

Code of Federal Regulations
Title 18 - Part I - Chapter 44 - § 926a § 92 6A.
Interstate Transportation of Firearms
Release date: 2005
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08
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03
Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision
thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a
firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully
possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if,
during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being
transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting
vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment
the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or
console.

[Streck-Fu]

http://www.callthecops.net/connecticut-halts-plans-round-firearms-finding-cops-state-list/

I know that was satire but I would like to know how eager individual officers are to register their privately owned weapons. Will they resist registration or fight the enforcement? Will they comply with the registration knowing they have access to issued weapons?

[Ghost_Team]

With CT and or NY, IL, DC, CA..ext, does this mean that if someone is traveling through the state, whom is a residence of another state, with a lawfully owned “banned weapon or magazine”, are they subject to unreasonable search and seizure or forfeiture of the weapon if discovered while being pulled over behind these enemy lines? Question of curiosity, because again this clashes with federal law. The Federal law allows the transportation of any lawfully owned weapon anywhere in the US. How does this work with these states that have made most weapons contraband? It seems like another pick and choose ruling with the AG.

Um, there have been people charged with possessing illegal weapons in NY and DC who were just passing thru and got caught with their guns.

http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/05/22/soldier-gets-confiscated-guns-back-from-washington-d-c/

http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/02/15/marine-refuses-plea-deal-in-nyc-gun-possession-case/

http://www.queensdefense.com/nyc-criminalpossessionweapon/

[Streck-Fu]

The Coming Storm (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/03/robert-farago/connecticut-coming-storm/)

Friday, June 27th, 2014, 0-dark-thiry:

The politicians have made their decision. By a twist of fate–your file simply happened to be on the top of the stack for no particular reason–you’ll be the first example. A state police SWAT team pull to the curb in front of your home, leap from their van and rush to your front door. Two black-clad men pull back a ram and swing it toward your front door, aiming just above the knob, while the rest of the team waits anxiously, their automatic weapons charged and off safe. Two hope they’ll get the opportunity to shoot. At least one wants to manufacture the opportunity . . .

You’ve made two major mistakes; they will cost your life and destroy your family: you live in a blue state where the governor and legislature have no respect for the Constitution and the lives and liberty of citizens, and you were foolish enough to obey the law.

Starting awake from a sound sleep by the explosion of your door being smashed open and the heavy stomping of booted feet, you stumble down the stairs and into the hallway. As you turn toward the sounds, you’re blinded by multiple bright lights and hear many people screaming at you, but their words are unintelligible. You raise your hands to shield your eyes, but you have your cell phone in your right hand. As soon as it comes into view, you’re overwhelmed by a tidal wave of explosive sounds and feel the first bullets rip into your body. There are stars, so many stars, winking and suddenly, everything goes silent and black and your last conscious thought is a feeling of falling.

The SWAT team, surprised when you suddenly appeared only five feet from them, screamed conflicting commands at you. When you raised your hands and one of them saw something dark in your right hand, he jerked back the trigger of his MP5 submachine gun and didn’t let go until the weapon was empty. Seeing him fire, four more did the same. Of the 137 rounds five of the team initially fired, only 18 actually hit you, but it was enough. The rest shredded your home from floor to ceiling and wall to wall. Six nearby homes were hit, as were four cars. As you lay dying, your heart beating ever more slowly and weakly, you were spared the horror of your wife’s death.

As she descended the stairs, she saw you hit, blood spurting everywhere, falling to the floor, she screamed loud and long and ran down the steps. When she suddenly leapt into the hallway from the staircase, the nearest officer, who had been staring in shock at your bleeding body, and most of all, at the cell phone near your right hand, was startled. One of only two who had not completely emptied his magazine, he emptied it into her. The rest tried, but with one other exception, their guns were empty, and they frantically and impotently jerked their triggers. The other exception managed to fire the remaining six rounds in his weapon. Of the final 13 rounds fired, eleven hit your wife, five in the chest, three in the head. She was dead before her body fell onto yours, the sickening thump of her head on the hardwood floor echoing in the sudden silence and roiling gun smoke.

That was when they heard screaming upstairs, and gathering their courage and slamming fresh magazines into their guns, rushed upstairs, breaking into your 7-year old daughter’s bedroom, to find her lying in a widening pool of blood on her tiny bed. One of the officers tripped over his own feet as he was charging into the house and triggered nearly a full magazine through the ceiling–into her bedroom and through her bed. One of his fellow officers caught three rounds on his bullet resistant vest, but that will be covered up for years. Your daughter will survive. She’ll be in a medically induced coma for two weeks, and when she awakens, she’ll be informed she’s an orphan, a paraplegic orphan with a single lung.

An investigation of the State Police SWAT team by the State Police done within a month of the murders will find the State Police blameless, and will proclaim them heroic paragons of SWAT virtue.

Your sister’s family gladly takes your daughter in, and after two years, years in which the State Attorney General, the Governor, many politicians and the news media depict you, your wife, and even your daughter as murderous domestic terrorists, a jury finally awards your daughter 30 million dollars. She’ll need every penny to support her the remainder of her shortened life. Unfortunately, a judge sympathetic to the state reduces the award to seven million dollars. The AG, Governor and his advisors, angry and vindictive, get authorization from a corrupt and cooperative judge to steal your daughter from your sister’s family and put her in a group foster home run by people who do it for the substantial money the state pays. The state also seizes the 7 million dollars for reimbursement for taking care of your daughter. The Speaker of the State House of Representatives pronounces it a just and fitting end for a family of domestic terrorists and swears to bring justice to all domestic terrorists.

Why were the police there?

You tried to obey the law and register an AR-15 you bought. Unfortunately, you missed the deadline by two days, so the state knew you had the rifle and four magazines. What they didn’t know was that you bought the gun as a birthday present for your adult son who lives in Montana. The gun and magazines were in Montana only a week after you bought it. The state police attacked your home because they thought you had an “assault weapon” and “high capacity magazines,” all of which had been in Montana for months. They were scared to death of anyone with an “assault weapon,” so they sent a SWAT team.

Documents eventually made public during the civil suit will reveal that the state police made no attempt to verify that you still owned the weapon. They will reveal that a corrupt and cooperative judge–guess who?–signed hundreds of blank search warrants. They will also reveal that only 31% of local police departments and sheriff’s offices cooperated with the State Police; 69% refused to violate the Constitution. Not that any of that means anything to you. You screwed up and you’re dead. Your daughter will come to wish she had died that night as well.

Far-out fiction?


Continued at site.

[35NCO]

Um, there have been people charged with possessing illegal weapons.....

http://www.queensdefense.com/nyc-criminalpossessionweapon/

I had known of the first two cases. That third link you provided is really enlightening. Thank you. It's interesting looking at the flip side of states rights vs. federal. Sometimes maybe we should be careful about what we wish for or at least how we look at these problems. We want everything to be good with the 2nd amendment everywhere, but then we are asking for more federal power onto the states in support.

We want free states as a solution, but less federal influence, then we end up with states that end up with laws like CT and NY to just flex the power they can onto the people. The constitution is our power to look to, however a balance must be found in determining how much power we wish to have in our own states. If we as a people make a free state, to what we as a people deem as reasonable, another will be a prison. Far too much divide right now for any rationality to prevail in the wider spectrum politically.

On a side note, if you look at NYC historically, they have always been the #1 anti-gun place in the country going back to at least 1900. They drove away and fought Teddy Roosevelt very firmly politically and also had their place in the ban of silencers and an attempt to ban handguns in the National Firearms Act.

I guess no travel with a firearm for me though any of these states from now on. Private plane perhaps?

[35NCO]

How interpretive can they be with the part in bold? I don't think any state would try to restrict such safe passage for travelers.

I was wrong. Yet another way to control the type of person crossing a state border.

[Stiletto11]

The law was amended to preclude LEO's to register personal "assault weapons." If they retire they are required to register them. Got that from a friend who is a cop here in CT. Kinda like the NY law that would only allow cops to carry 7 rounds until they discovered the umbrella of the law n their haste to pass it at the midnight hour.

[Pericles]

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We want free states as a solution, but less federal influence, then we end up with states that end up with laws like CT and NY to just flex the power they can onto the people. The constitution is our power to look to, however a balance must be found in determining how much power we wish to have in our own states. If we as a people make a free state, to what we as a people deem as reasonable, another will be a prison. Far too much divide right now for any rationality to prevail in the wider spectrum politically.

On a side note, if you look at NYC historically, they have always been the #1 anti-gun place in the country going back to at least 1900. They drove away and fought Teddy Roosevelt very firmly politically and also had their place in the ban of silencers and an attempt to ban handguns in the National Firearms Act.

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This question was part of the Federalist / Anti-federalist debates. The Anti-federalists were concerned with the language in Article VI, which made the US Constitution and certain federal laws superior to the state constitutions. Thus, the BoR to put in individual protections into the federal constitution, that could not be easily undone, and were supposed to be narrowly defined in scope. The 2A just happens to be one of those narrow areas in which the states are limited in action for the protection of the RKBA.

[akv]

Branford cop caught in firestorm for gun-related Facebook exchange

POLICE SAY VETERAN COP MAY HAVE VIOLATED POLICY WITH GUN-RELATED FACEBOOK EXCHANGE

By Mark Zaretsky, New Haven Register

Tuesday, March 11, 2014


BRANFORD >> Police have opened an internal affairs investigation into whether veteran officer Joe Peterson violated department policy in a Facebook exchange with Branford gun rights activist John Cinque, Capt. Geoffrey Morgan said Tuesday.

Peterson’s comments in the exchange have unleashed a firestorm in the days since it took place.

Bloggers, particularly from the right, have been all over the story since word and screen captures of the exchange filtered out.

In the exchange with Cinque — who in addition to being a gun advocate is an East Haven firefighter who has known Peterson for years — Cameron Smith and others, Peterson said that he would “give my left nut to bang down your door and come for your gun.”

The comment appears to have been aimed at Smith, who in an earlier comment appeared to have baited Peterson, saying that “POLICE OFFICER Peterson would round up Jews and put them in ghettos, if the government told him to.”

Cinque said he “was shocked” when he saw Peterson’s comments “because I thought I knew” him. “I was shocked at the standpoint that it’s someone that I do know that would have these views ... Somebody that I’ve known for a long time.”

Asked if they were friends, Cinque said, “If Joe Peterson had called me and said, ‘Hey, I’m broken down on the highway,’ yeah, I definitely would come up there. We’re friends from the standpoint that he was a police officer in East Haven and I’m a fireman ... It’s all a brotherhood.”

But they don’t socialize outside of work, he said.

Morgan said the police department is looking into the matter.

“He made a comment on Facebook” during a conversation “between him and a couple of people that we’re taking a look at,” Morgan said, “and we launched an ‘IA’ international investigation ... to see if he violated any of the department policy and rules...including our social media policy.”

Peterson, a one-time East Haven K-9 officer who moved to the Branford department a number of years ago, has been honored multiple times in his career — including for catching alleged murderer Lishan Wang in April 2010 after Wang allegedly shot Dr. Vajinder Toor outside Toor’s Brushy Plain Road condominium.

Peterson currently is on extended workers compensation leave following an accident in his squad car, Morgan said. His listed telephone number has been disconnected, his Facebook page appears to have been taken down or made private, and he could not be reached for comment.

“We treat every allegation concerning our agency with the utmost of seriousness,” said Chief of Police Kevin Halloran in a press release. “This, like any other allegation, will be thoroughly investigated and if any law, departmental rule or regulation has been violated, the officer will be held accountable.”

The hyperlocal news site The Branford Seven on Monday reported that there was internal affairs investigation underway and that Peterson allegedly made the comments while off-duty.

Cinque, who has had dozens of calls and e-mails — and maxed-out his Facebook friend list — in the days since the exchange, said he met with Halloran for two hours Tuesday, in part as part of an effort on both sides to cool things down.

“He was very welcoming. He listened. He wants to make sure that things don’t get out of control,” Cinque said.

“There have been threats made — that I found out about today,” he said.

Police could not be reached later to verify that.

“We’re going to try to throw water on this thing and get it calmed down ...” Cinque said. “The whole premise of where Joe’s coming from has to be addressed, and now it has been ... Now it’s time to calm it down ...

“The problem now is, we have a forest fire burning, and we’ve got to see how we can go about extinguishing it,” he said.

Cinque, who previously had been in the news for his stand against ever disarming, has been a little surprised by his celebrity.

“I’ve carried a gun every day for 30 years,” he said. “Haven’t shot anyone.”

What’s more, “people who know me know that I’m outspoken about ALL of the rights afforded to us by the Constitution” and not just the Fourth Amendment, he said, “because you can’t just cherry-pick on the Constitution.”

He said the exchange with Peterson, on an item he believes somebody else posted Cinque’s page, was the first he can recall having with Peterson in the digital world.

Cinque subsequently referred to the exchange in a recorded interview with Joe Visconti, a Republican candidate for governor.

Does Cinque think Peterson should be disciplined?

“I believe he needs to have a remedial course in the United States Constitution,” he said. “I am not looking for a pound of flesh. That’s for the individual person to decide.

“I wasn’t looking for the firestorm that has occurred, but there are a lot of people out there who are upset with the path that we’re on in this country,” Cinque said. “I know that the people who get elected do not understand the boiling pot of water that is going on in this country ... People are saying, ‘No more, not an inch further,’ and it makes for a difficult situation.”

While the exchange has been widely covered, Cinque said he’s not the one who made that happen.

“Any quotes that you see from me ... are because they reached out to me” and asked, he said..

http://http://www.nhregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?avis=NH&date=20140311&category=NEWS&lopenr=140319786&Ref=AR&profile=1030040&template=printart (http://www.nhregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?avis=NH&date=20140311&category=NEWS&lopenr=140319786&Ref=AR&profile=1030040&template=printart)

[tonyz]

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http://http://www.nhregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?avis=NH&date=20140311&category=NEWS&lopenr=140319786&Ref=AR&profile=1030040&template=printart (http://www.nhregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?avis=NH&date=20140311&category=NEWS&lopenr=140319786&Ref=AR&profile=1030040&template=printart)

Kick in the wrong door...

...and he just may get his wish...

[Stiletto11]

I guess he fears for his life now and has a 24hr guard. What happened to the tough guy?

[Box]

Sadly, there is no end the the "grab" that is now in full swing...
...and it isn't just Connecticut and it isn't just guns they are grabbing.

Those same states will also be the first ones to grab your paycheck and spend it for you.



Our current crop of elected officials are openly concerned about our health, welfare, safety, and freedom; government intrusion at the individual level could never happen in this country could it?

[The Reaper]

Do these idiots not live in the same communities they want to tear apart?

The numbers I have seen show that the LEOs are some of the least compliant gun owners and have largely ignored the law.

Do they see themselves as above the law, and how far does that arrogance extend?

Are they going to be okay when the JBTs show up at THEIR homes to seize guns and arrest THEM?

Once this starts, family members are going to be killed or injured. Do they think that eventually, a neighbor who lost a family member might look for payback at THEIR homes in the community?

This is not going to go very well. Stupid laws, from stupid people, to be enforced by other compliant idiots.

Watch for second, third, and more order events.

Black swans?

TR

[GratefulCitizen]

Maybe they should re-read "Mice in Council".

[Stiletto11]

TR

LEO's are exempt from the law as amended. They only have to register upon retirement. I think you're right about the ancillary actions and retribution that may occur. It's a shit sandwich no matter how it goes down. Black Swans indeed.

[Box]

Sad to hear.

When the law is exempt from itself, we are all in trouble.

[cbtengr]

Kick in the wrong door...

...and he just may get his wish...

This is sad, this idiot is a by-product of his legislature's good intentions. Would any of us want a bunch of LEOs with this guys attitude in our communities?