View Full Version : Who is TRAAWW??
I want her ass out the door,,
And her buds can follow..
Does anyone know how to find her name & unit?
http://web.stagram.com/n/traaww/
tharrison700@gmail.com
After scrolling thru 200 terry harrisons on FB I think I found her.
Both profiles mention Health Coach at Herbalife.
https://www.facebook.com/terry.t.harrison.5?fref=browse_search
Now how do we get her unit???
Apparently she took the pic down, but it doesn't seem to be going well for her.
Richard
azpatriot_1912 You put the fun in funeral? You're a dirtbag pathetic excuse for a Soldier. Fucking boot fuck pog ass wook. @traaww 1h.
mela_bryant@traaww I hope someone Contacts your command. You are a poor excise for a soldier. Disrespecting our fallen brothers and sisters like that? Shame on you. Pure disgust 1h.
cagekicker78 You put the fun in funeral? Get ready for your career to get a lot more rocky. No respect for the fallen, their families or the service. #weputthebootinyourass#11bravos 1h.
tinylittlesoldier Fun in funeral huh?? I have never once in my life heard those two words in the same sentence. ESPECIALLY coming from a soldier for a fellow brother/sister in arms! That picture that you've taken down is not gone forever. That's the ugly truth about the internet. It will catch up with you some way or another. 59min.
shifted_thoughts Disgrace. You don't deserve to wear a uniform or even breathe free air 56min .
It looks like she is 23 and has been in school for 4-5 yrs.
I'm thinking ROTC??
She also has participated in a something??
from FB
https://www.facebook.com/operationsbb?filter=2
operation: storm bradford beach
her comment:
Terry T. Harrison
posted to Operation: Storm Bradford Beach
September 11, 2013 near Milwaukee, WI
American Legion Post 18 - Milwaukee, WI
Lucky308
02-17-2014, 17:16
Search on Army database shows several terri/terry/terrance Harrison as SPC. One of which is located in WI with 147th AVN E Co. Unit information may be outdated.
From the looks of it on other networks, it seems action has already been taken and the pictures posted are quite old (approx. 2 weeks). Extent of action taken is unknown.
The Reaper
02-17-2014, 17:32
I cannot fathom the disrespectfulness and callousness of someone who would do that when charged with honoring a person who made the ultimate sacrifice for them.
This is beyond belief, of not just her, but the other "Soldiers" in her detail.
I am ashamed that they are allowed to continue serving in my Army, or living in my country.
Outrageous.
I guess pissing on dead enemies is criminal, but betraying the final trust of your fellow "Soldiers" in your care is just a joke or a First Amendment issue.
TR
LtC Mark Neuse, Commanding
mark.neuse@us.army.mil
432nd CA BN
2929 Holmgren Way
Green Bay, WI 54304-5753
I send an email to LtC Neuse. I'm pretty sure he is the current CO of the 432nd.
Surf n Turf
02-17-2014, 19:09
8:05 PM
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Looks like this is prompting attention from some people. Suspect the unit and the individuals will shortly be positively identified.
SnT
They effed up and we don't know the story behind that pic, but I doubt they were clowning around during any sort of funeral service - more likely during a practice with an empty casket before actually being allowed to perform such an onerous and solemn task.
Taking photos of something like this and posting them on the Internet, though, is pure stupidity.
FWIW - we used to clown around when tasked with funeral duty to break the monotony, too, BUT never in public and we never thought of taking any photos.
Richard
They effed up and we don't know the story behind that pic, but I doubt they were clowning around during any sort of funeral service -
more likely during a practice with an empty casket before actually being allowed to perform such an onerous and solemn task.
Taking photos of something like this and posting them on the Internet, though, is pure stupidity.
FWIW - we used to clown around when tasked with funeral duty to break the monotony, too, BUT never in public and we never thought of taking any photos.
Richard
Richard, I hope so..
The Reaper
02-17-2014, 20:35
They effed up and we don't know the story behind that pic, but I doubt they were clowning around during any sort of funeral service - more likely during a practice with an empty casket before actually being allowed to perform such an onerous and solemn task.
Taking photos of something like this and posting them on the Internet, though, is pure stupidity.
FWIW - we used to clown around when tasked with funeral duty to break the monotony, too, BUT never in public and we never thought of taking any photos.
Richard
Isn't that an assumption as well?
For all we know, there was a leadership failure and these ass clowns were pranking with a fallen soldier under that flag.
What message does each of the individuals posing in that photo send to the families of the fallen?
Is this the respect that the families deserve for their sacrifice on behalf of this nation?
I think this behavior is reprehensible and is conduct unbecoming.
TR
we didn't know the "entire" story behind the picture of the Marines urinating on a dead body when that particular photo surfaced...
...so maybe this fine band of misunderstood troops should get the same amount of understanding as those misunderstood Marines
Definitely leaves one shocked and speechless, will be interesting to see if the MSM runs with this like they did the pissing on the enemy picture. The behavior is inexcusable and they need to all find themselves unemployed from the military. What an honor to be detailed to escort a fallen comrade to their final resting place.
Team Sergeant
02-17-2014, 21:07
Definitely leaves one shocked and speechless, will be interesting to see if the MSM runs with this like they did the pissing on the enemy picture. The behavior is inexcusable and they need to all find themselves unemployed from the military. What an honor to be detailed to escort a fallen comrade to their final resting place.
The sad part is that I'm not shocked or speechless. The current administration has left the door wide open on the trashing/degradation of veterans.
These individuals seemed to have seized on that and made this picture/post.
To all the civilians reading this thread, this is NOT how we dishonor our dead. This is a few idiots that need to be removed from the US military.
I'd like to be her CSM right now.
I guess someone's sweeping up the evidence trail. I couldn't find the majority of these links. FB pages gone. Pic is gone. Instagram accounts gone.
Not that I need to see what she did. Sounds pretty clear. :mad:
http://www.fox47.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/national-guard-investigates-inappropriate-pictures-soldiers-funerals-8932.shtml
I'm sorry, but as somebody that has spent time as Honor Guard this is just fucking disgusting.:mad: I have seen the sadness of a beautiful young bride with children or bearing children as I stood by their Husband's casket. I've seen the parents that have had to say goodbye to a child forever, I've even had to perform my duty's for a fallen Brother. Some of my hardest days were on the Honor Guard, and for this person to play fuck fuck games with this most sacred of duties is just fucking plain ass bullshit!!
we didn't know the "entire" story behind the picture of the Marines urinating on a dead body when that particular photo surfaced...
...so maybe this fine band of misunderstood troops should get the same amount of understanding as those misunderstood Marines
Difficult to misinterpret a photo of a group of servicemen standing around urinating on a dead body.
IMO, any way you look at it all, using social media to wilfully post 'look at us' photos like that Marine group's or this burial detail's behaviors is confounding and bothersome to me.
http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=39878
Will it soon come to this for that 'million hits' moment of fame? :confused:
Richard
Speaking of 1M hits..
Did anyone capture the picture of the tail-gate comment?? Is so, please post..
Team Sergeant
02-18-2014, 09:04
I'd like to be her CSM right now.
The national guard is a lot more lenient than Mother Army, remember the bottom feeding piece of crap North Carolina National Guard SGM John Letuli ?
I'm sure Teresa Harrison and her idiot friends will get a free pass on this issue.
Looks like the WING has competition.. :mad:
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/air-force-finds-dead-americans-funny/
These A$$Hats keep this up and there won't be a need for HC reductions..
Looks like the WING has competition.. :mad:
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/air-force-finds-dead-americans-funny/
These A$$Hats keep this up and there won't be a need for HC reductions..
Not that it excuses the action, but that picture is 3 years old. The individuals involved were reprimanded. Those of us in the aerial port community were ashamed, but we used it as a "teachable moment" for our troops. No one's career ended over it, as far as I know.
Some of you may have seen the picture of the airman posing with the POW/MIA Flag that went viral on Friday, which lead the CMSgt of the AF to call for an investigation. Too bad the picture was taken 3 years ago, the airman punished, and by all accounts, she is now a stellar NCO. Doesn't matter to those that are calling for her court martial and dishonorable discharge.
I am not saying what any if them have done is right, and we should be appalled. But it is up to us as leaders to teach those that work for us why some of these items are sacrosanct and why you do not dishonor them. We may think it is self explainatory, but maybe it is not.
As my mom once told me " but by the grace of God go I". The only thing that has saved many of us from this kind of scrutiny is we didn't grow up with the internet. How many of us could go back through our pictures from when we were young and stupid and not find pictures we are glad our parents or chain of command never saw.
Teachable moments, all.
Not that it excuses the action, but that picture is 3 years old. The individuals involved were reprimanded. Those of us in the aerial port community were ashamed, but we used it as a "teachable moment" for our troops. No one's career ended over it, as far as I know.
Some of you may have seen the picture of the airman posing with the POW/MIA Flag that went viral on Friday, which lead the CMSgt of the AF to call for an investigation. Too bad the picture was taken 3 years ago, the airman punished, and by all accounts, she is now a stellar NCO. Doesn't matter to those that are calling for her court martial and dishonorable discharge.
I am not saying what any if them have done is right, and we should be appalled. But it is up to us as leaders to teach those that work for us why some of these items are sacrosanct and why you do not dishonor them. We may think it is self explainatory, but maybe it is not.
As my mom once told me " but by the grace of God go I". The only thing that has saved many of us from this kind of scrutiny is we didn't grow up with the internet. How many of us could go back through our pictures from when we were young and stupid and not find pictures we are glad our parents or chain of command never saw.
Teachable moments, all.
Promoting "staller NCOs" is not a teaching point.
Reduction to E1 and a less than honorable is a teaching point.
Promoting "staller NCOs" is not a teaching point.
Reduction to E1 and a less than honorable is a teaching point.
Fat fingers misspelling on an iPhone.
Yep, dishonorable discharge for doing something stupid, not illegal, stupid. I am glad all of us who are older and wiser are so perfect.
Promoting "staller NCOs" is not a teaching point.
Reduction to E1 and a less than honorable is a teaching point.
She was reprimanded pretty harshly from what I understand. Took her lumps, and busted her butt to get to where she is now. She is probably pretty good at ensuring the airmen that work for her understand the importance of the POW/MIA flag and why it is sacrosanct. But no, dishonorable discharge is a much better way to go. :rolleyes:
Snaquebite
02-18-2014, 10:50
Fat fingers misspelling on an iPhone.
Yep, dishonorable discharge for doing something stupid, not illegal, stupid. I am glad all of us who are older and wiser are so perfect.
I believe he said less than honorable discharge not dishonorable. A less than honorable discharge represents a departure from the conduct and performance expected of all military members. It CERTAINLY applies here.
Team Sergeant
02-18-2014, 10:54
She was reprimanded pretty harshly from what I understand. Took her lumps, and busted her butt to get to where she is now. She is probably pretty good at ensuring the airmen that work for her understand the importance of the POW/MIA flag and why it is sacrosanct. But no, dishonorable discharge is a much better way to go. :rolleyes:
Yup just as I thought....... not even a slap on the wrist.
Snaquebite
02-18-2014, 11:19
She was reprimanded pretty harshly from what I understand. Took her lumps, and busted her butt to get to where she is now. She is probably pretty good at ensuring the airmen that work for her understand the importance of the POW/MIA flag and why it is sacrosanct. But no, dishonorable discharge is a much better way to go. :rolleyes:
Well, she (and her cohorts) should fit right in with the current AF Quality Force Review board. :D One down 24,999 to go.
May I ask a question here, from a civilian point-of view?
The person responsible for this mockery of a flag-draped casket is in the US Military, correct?
The person responsible for this act of vulgarity has shown dis-respect not just to the Military that trained her, but to America in General, correct?
So my question is this; Why would the US Military not dis-honorably dis-charge this individual(s) from its group?
For me as a simple civilian, it makes no sense. And why?
If one of my employees took photos of something as disrespectful, lewd, vulger, and OBVIOUSLY SO abhorrent, and it was directly related to me, my kitchen, my restaurant, or my employeer, they would be history before the door could hit them in the ass on the way out of my chef shoe kicking it!
Not even a question.
That's it, just a question...:munchin
Holly
...How many of us could go back through our pictures from when we were young and stupid and not find pictures we are glad our parents or chain of command never saw.
Teachable moments, all.
That reminded me of "this one time...at Army camp" years ago. Some fellow AIT students thought it to be a good idea to spray paint a sheet to look like it was directly sprayed onto the tube of an M198 used for training. For a photo opportunity of course. Sprayed onto said sheet/tube, was a very detailed portrait of a phallus. Along the length of the gun tube/faux phallus, it was sprayed on to read (in stencil), "Behold, the Long C*** of Freedom". A polaroid was taken of that one, but thankfully it never went past the class.
I laughed my ass off, but that kind of stuff was funny. This photo in question was not funny. I work with kids that perform Ceremonial Guard duties for the Navy, and they said these individuals' needs to be quote "curb stomped, and throat punched". Their head caller is all of 20 years old, the rest younger. If these kids don't see the humor or in this, or see this to be an excusable offense, than no other reasonable person should either. Practice casket or not, years ago or not, this is reprehensible.
That reminded me of "this one time...at Army camp" years ago. Some fellow AIT students thought it to be a good idea to spray paint a sheet to look like it was directly sprayed onto the tube of an M198 used for training. For a photo opportunity of course. Sprayed onto said sheet/tube, was a very detailed portrait of a phallus. Along the length of the gun tube/faux phallus, it was sprayed on to read (in stencil), "Behold, the Long C*** of Freedom". A polaroid was taken of that one, but thankfully it never went past the class.
I laughed my ass off, but that kind of stuff was funny. This photo in question was not funny. I work with kids that perform Ceremonial Guard duties for the Navy, and they said these individuals' needs to be quote "curb stomped, and throat punched". Their head caller is all of 20 years old, the rest younger. If these kids don't see the humor or in this, or see this to be an excusable offense, than no other reasonable person should either. Practice casket or not, years ago or not, this is reprehensible.
Bryan, as to the woman this thread was started for, I have to agree with you. But as to some of the other stuff that has been brought up, often times years after the fact, I still would err on the side of "teachable moment"
Remington Raidr
02-18-2014, 12:29
http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/outrage-erupts-after-wisconsin-guard-member-posts-photo-online-b99208029z1-245918841.html
It is in Wisconsin papers and radio now. Remember, WI is not NC. I bet she gets booted.
Bryan, as to the woman this thread was started for, I have to agree with you. But as to some of the other stuff that has been brought up, often times years after the fact, I still would err on the side of "teachable moment"
So then Ma'am, would it be safe to presume that if say that picture of the Marines urinating on those dead Iraqis were to be posted two or three years after the incident happened, and all those involved were still in some fashion on AD, whether active or reserve, they would not receive any disciplinary action but that it would only be known as a "teachable moment"?
These Marines would in essence receive a "slap on the wrist" and that photo would then be sent around to different units as a "teachable moment" of what not to do.
Is that correct or am I reading something different and missing your point?
Bryan, as to the woman this thread was started for, I have to agree with you. But as to some of the other stuff that has been brought up, often times years after the fact, I still would err on the side of "teachable moment"
I think we have two teachable moments in this thread.
1st. The NG service member should get slammed and out she goes. That would be a fine teachable moment.
2nd. The AF port personnel in training should get reprimands that go into their personnel file. The NCO should have been slammed and out. She was the NCO responsable for training AF personal and setting the standards so the new airmen learn how to act and work in their new job. She made it look OK to for those deplorable acts in regards as to the manor for how we treat our fallen brothers.
Her getting a heated toung lashing is not the way to set the standards. Boot her and that would have been a correct teachable moment.
3rd. The other people in the NG photo also need UCMJ as they also were there joking around with the Training. Wonder how many of them also posted stupid comments about their duty.
I always thought it was a privelage to participate in funeral services for our departed brothers. It was always a pain getting ready but we were always 200%+ professional from A to Z as they deserved it. I have had the Honor on several occasions to pay our last respects and this attitude that has been displayed the other day and years ago is discusting.
Just my 2 cents as I see it.
So then Ma'am, would it be safe to presume that if say that picture of the Marines urinating on those dead Iraqis were to be posted two or three years after the incident happened, and all those involved were still in some fashion on AD, whether active or reserve, they would not receive any disciplinary action but that it would only be known as a "teachable moment"?
These Marines would in essence receive a "slap on the wrist" and that photo would then be sent around to different units as a "teachable moment" of what not to do.
Is that correct or am I reading something different and missing your point?
No where did I say they shouldn't be punished. I just believe that court martial may not be the correct punishment. I can think of ways to make their lives miserable for quite some time. I think losing a stripe, cleaning barracks with a toothbrush, spending time in a military mortuary doing menial tasks, as well as an LOR and UIF would be appropriate. Then you allow them to "move out" from their mistake, and hopefully become a better person, soldier, sailor, airman or marine. The "teachable moment" being they are a dumb ass, but unless it is a pattern of behavior, maybe not a dumb enough ass to usher out of the service. That also teaches those around them what happens to dumb asses, and they don't want to be one.
Team Sergeant
02-18-2014, 13:10
It's going viral and receiving national attention.....
Tonight I'll bet Fox news has it front and center......
Now those brain dead morons will receive their 15 minutes of "fame".....
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2014/02/18/wisconsin-national-guard-member-jokes-about-military-funerals-sparks-outrage/
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140218/NEWS/302180009/Funeral-guard-photo-incites-anger-investigation-launched
http://www.wxow.com/story/24748642/2014/02/18/wi-national-guard-investigating-inappropriate-pictures-posted-by-soldier
http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20140218/APC0101/302180193/Wisconsin-National-Guard-funeral-photo-sparks-outrage
http://www.wbay.com/story/24751867/2014/02/18/wis-national-guard-members-photos-cause-internet-outrage
http://www.cbs58.com/news/local-news/Wisconsin-National-Guard-investigating--245950801.html
http://wtkr.com/2014/02/18/photos-of-funeral-honor-guard-spark-anger-investigation/
http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/milwaukee/photos-posted-by-wis-national-guard-member-sparks-outrage-online/24532238
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/18/national-guard-coffin-photo/5579065/
http://americanlivewire.com/2014-02-18-wisconsin-national-guard-members-disrespect-fallen-veterans-funeral/
http://www.wrn.com/2014/02/guard-members-post-draws-outrage/
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/article/20140218/NEWS/302180009/Soldier-suspended-funeral-guard-photo-flap-investigation-launched
http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/report-guardswoman-suspended-for-posting-offenssive-photo-b99208298z1-246003331.html
Streck-Fu
02-18-2014, 13:36
That will be a righteously pissed off chain of command.
I can think of ways to make their lives miserable for quite some time. I think losing a stripe, cleaning barracks with a toothbrush, spending time in a military mortuary doing menial tasks, as well as an LOR and UIF would be appropriate.
May I make a comment, from a civilian standpoint?
I'll just be clear, as any cook who has ever worked for me knows I have Standards. VERY, VERY high Standards as to what I expect from each and every one of them. Personally. Peroid.
Of course if they violated those, they know they would be doing dishes, scrubbing the floors, and organizing the walk-in Freezer...without a coat.
My point is, I have yet to have to result to any of those things, and why?
Respect. Plain and simple Respect for the job, respect for the title.
The THUGS in this disgusting tribute have none, IMHO.:mad:
Holly
Their immediate leader should be given some form of punishment...UCMJ or an art.15.
They had a mission and the primary leader lost his/her focus allowing the unit to embarrass themselves, their units and the serving military.
Their mission statement was to 'render honors' to the fallen or passing.
They rendered dishonor.
Failed mission by design/poor leadership and you pay the price.
Their immediate leader should be given some form of punishment...UCMJ or an art.15.
They had a mission and the primary leader lost his/her focus allowing the unit to embarrass themselves, their units and the serving military.
Their mission statement was to 'render honors' to the fallen or passing.
They rendered dishonor.
Failed mission by design/poor leadership and you pay the price.
Very well said Brother......
CoC sets the tone......
Any other "job", she would be out of work no questions asked. I don't know why there is even a debate regarding keeping her in the service. Yes, some times we all do stupid things, but "stupid" does not mean lack of values or character. When you are put in positions of great responsibility, there should be great consequences for failure.
With the current RIF, many good Soldiers will be looking to transition into the Guard. Free up a paragraph and line number.
Javadrinker
02-18-2014, 14:56
I've had the honor and privilege to be on many an Honor guard, as a member and as an NCO. At no time was any member that I was with disrespectful or make fun of the duty. But then we also we had leadership, and also pride.
In my opinion, not only should the young lady in question get sacked, but that whole group, and the NCOIC should be answering for his/her lack of attention and detail.
When you are put in positions of great responsibility, there should be great consequences for failure.
Very Well Said, SIR!!!
Holly
Surf n Turf
02-18-2014, 15:49
Looks like it will get the attention it deserves
SnT
National Guard soldier suspended over ‘distasteful’ military funeral photos and comments
WASHINGTON — A Wisconsin National Guard servicemember who posted controversial photos and comments regarding military funerals on social media, including one photo caption that read, ‘We put the FUN in [military] funerals — your fearless honor guard from various states’, has been suspended pending the outcome of an ongoing investigation, the Wisconsin National Guard said in a press release Tuesday.
The photos and comments appeared on the Instagram page of Spc. Terry Harrison, a member of the Madison, Wis.-based 1st Battalion, 147th Aviation Regiment. Harrison has since been removed from the funeral honors detail indefinitely, according to the Wisconsin National Guard.
http://www.stripes.com/news/us/national-guard-soldier-suspended-over-distasteful-military-funeral-photos-and-comments-1.268422
Looks like it will get the attention it deserves
SnT
National Guard soldier suspended over ‘distasteful’ military funeral photos and comments
What does "suspended" mean? If it is "suspended" from performing funeral details (which is what I bet it is), not even a slap on the wrist
What does "suspended" mean? If it is "suspended" from performing funeral details (which is what I bet it is), not even a slap on the wrist
My thoughts exactly. Civilians will think she is getting punished but in reality she is in the NG and has a day job. Guess what she just keeps doing her day job......
What a bullshit news release.
What about the others in the photo?
What about the CoC that were overseeing the training ?
What does "suspended" mean? If it is "suspended" from performing funeral details (which is what I bet it is), not even a slap on the wrist
Sir, I am Appalled!!!!! :-(
WTF to this chick? Excuse me, I was watching this for an example to give my employees on what NOT to do, and the results!
Whatever the outcome, I hope that you PIECE OF SHIT who started this whole thing get deployed. I hope you get sent to the ass fucking smelliest place on this planet, and are alone.
Then, when you are all alone, you may feel what it is like to serve and DIE for this Country! It is an Honor bitch, and one you will never ever know.
Sent from my Uncle, a WWII Vet.
Holly
I think all that story means is she was "suspended" from Honor Guard Duties pending the "outcome of the investigation". Unless you guys think they should keep her on the detail until the investigation is over? The suspension is the absolute correct thing to do...at least until due process runs its course and the beheading takes place.
ddoering
02-18-2014, 17:49
Perhaps a drone strike is in order.....
Team Sergeant
02-18-2014, 18:11
Suspension??? I spent 20 years in uniform and never heard of suspension? Did mother Army take her recess privileges too?
Perhaps a drone strike is in order.....
It's like Atlanta-Hertzfield out here already.
Maybe I need to clarify...removing/suspending/reassigning...whatever the terminology, it is a correct step. I didn't infer it's the end and it's all good now. I was actually pointing out that this suspension was NOT the end. Keeping her in her current position on the detail would be a suicidal move by the CoC. As far as the speed of things... Heck, the lawyers hardly have had enough time to dust off their copy of the MCM to determine all of the allegations/charges yet. Surely no one wants the IO to rush off and do a half assed job resulting in this Idiot getting off on a technicality.
Suspension??? I spent 20 years in uniform and never heard of suspension? Did mother Army take her recess privileges too?
It may be like those Time Out cards some rocket scientist came up in the 90s
I hope you get sent to the smelliest, ass fucking place on this planet, and are alone.
fixed that for you. :D
Haha, a suspension in the National Guard... you don't get paid except for a weekend a month and two weeks a year unless you're on orders. It's like when starting pitchers get suspended for three games in MLB... they'll be back by their next scheduled start. :rolleyes:
Team Sergeant
02-18-2014, 18:50
Haha, a suspension in the National Guard... you don't get paid except for a weekend a month and two weeks a year unless you're on orders. It's like when starting pitchers get suspended for three games in MLB... they'll be back by their next scheduled start. :rolleyes:
Roger, active duty we don't get "suspended".....:rolleyes:
Remington Raidr
02-18-2014, 19:59
she should get booted from the WI NG and lose all those education and other bennies. The difference between that AF cluster and is that the average person in WI is just as pissed as you are. I don't care if they were "blowing off steam", sometimes your sole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others. Head on a pike stuff.:mad:
miclo18d
02-19-2014, 06:06
I look at that picture and it reminds me of the Abu Ghraib fotos! The lack of leadership and maturity led to that problem and it looks like no one has learned the REAL learning point of that situation. Joes need supervision. If you want an honor guard without these problems, assign a senior NCO or an officer to supervise.
I can't tell you the number of times I saw that practice casket in the company hallway and thanked God I didn't get tapped for that detail because I never thought myself worthy to hold the handle of a fellow Green Hatter, that died to protect his fellow team mates! The details were always led by one of the team sergeants and an officer even when every member was a senior NCO in SF! I don't like funerals or memorial services because I have to confront the death of a friend/colleague and my own mortality but at every freakin moment of my life have I shown respect for the dead! Especially the people that sacrificed their lives so that my life, freedoms, and way of life may be protected!!!!!
Hell, I even respected the deaths of my enemies more than these tools respect their fellow soldiers deaths!
Not Happy! :mad:
Streck-Fu
02-19-2014, 07:29
I read that as she was suspended from the Honor Guard only and not from duty....They should put them on legal hold at the reserve center/armory and make them report everyday for shit duty....
I read that as she was suspended from the Honor Guard only and not from duty....They should put them on legal hold at the reserve center/armory and make them report everyday for shit duty....
I think she needs to be put on AD. Not sure UCMJ can reach out and touch someone if they are part-timers. Maybe one of the 1L's from JAG can verify??:munchin
Can't involuntarily MOB her without presidential/SECDEF call-up. Wisconsin has it's own UCMJ schematic (as do all the States - they are not "uniform" nor universal; it is NOT the UCMJ we are familiar with). She obviously did this on duty status. They will handle this but it will take three-to-four times as long as they only have two days a month to work this stuff. of course, there are full-timers who will pitch in but the Guard still has a high level of "good-buddy, jack-assery" within the ranks that will make your jaw drop.
Remember - this is a State issue (so far as criminal issues); the Guard is one of the last vestiges of federalism in this country. The feds don't have a say in this, unless a US Attny steps in under some Constitutional issue or concurrent jurisidictional violation.
I'll keep my ears peeled.
Stiletto11
02-19-2014, 08:59
I believe anything now a days. I just read an article that the Army is making men do PT with fake boobs and fake pregnant bellies so they know what a pregnant women feels like when they do PT. WTF?
Loadsmasher
02-19-2014, 12:55
Can't involuntarily MOB her without presidential/SECDEF call-up. Wisconsin has it's own UCMJ schematic (as do all the States - they are not "uniform" nor universal; it is NOT the UCMJ we are familiar with). She obviously did this on duty status. They will handle this but it will take three-to-four times as long as they only have two days a month to work this stuff. of course, there are full-timers who will pitch in but the Guard still has a high level of "good-buddy, jack-assery" within the ranks that will make your jaw drop.
Remember - this is a State issue (so far as criminal issues); the Guard is one of the last vestiges of federalism in this country. The feds don't have a say in this, unless a US Attny steps in under some Constitutional issue or concurrent jurisidictional violation.
I'll keep my ears peeled.
In Texas we have the TCMJ, it's almost a photo copy of the UCMJ. Our Honor Guards are on active duty under Title 32 for specific amounts of time usually 1 year and have to resubmit a packet every year to stay on. I'm pretty sure that the unit has one or two AGRs but that is what we do. Also, our JAG section has more Officers on full-time status than my whole BN, so dont bet on them dragging their feet. Especially with every swinging richard with eagles or better staring over their shoulder.
The good buddy, jackassery comment is completly accurate, I could write a book.
I think she needs to be put on AD. Not sure UCMJ can reach out and touch someone if they are part-timers. Maybe one of the 1L's from JAG can verify??:munchin
Not a JAG but MS granted has similar military authority to commanders when we're on title 32.
Here's WI's laws (includes the same Art 134 we all know):
https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/322
Looks as if a second one of these ... 'individuals' ... has been suspended as well.
Second soldier suspended for defending flag-draped casket photo
MILWAUKEE - A second Wisconsin National Guard member has been suspended in an investigation stemming from a photograph showing soldiers clowning around by an empty flag-draped casket, a Guard spokesman said Wednesday.
Sgt. Luis Jimenez was suspended because of comments he posted on social media defending the photo, which was taken at a guard training facility, spokesman Maj. Paul Rickert said.
"He has been suspended from his duties as a funeral honors team member until the investigation is complete," Rickert said.
Jimenez' comments have since been taken down, but in a screen shot confirmed by Rickert he defended the woman who originally posted the photo.
"She isn't disrespecting anyone," Jimenez wrote of Spc. Terry Harrison. "... It's actually a selfless commitment she has made. These practice sessions are very long. It's good to let loose a little. When your job constantly asked you to be serious. And no there's no one in the casket."
Jimenez was Harrison's task leader, or supervisor, in the Madison, Wis.-based 1st Battalion, 147th Aviation Regiment. Harrison also was suspended.
No public telephone number for Jimenez could be found. Rickert said he would pass on a message from The Associated Press seeking comment.
The photograph shows soldiers mugging for the camera around the empty casket. It shows 14 men and women posing, some lightheartedly. Two pairs of men hug playfully, another man has his back turned and is pointing off in the distance, and a kneeling woman flashes a peace sign.
The caption reads, "We put the FUN in funeral - your fearless honor guard from various states."
The photo, which originally was posted on Instagram, has sparked a furor online, drawing angry comments from people calling the picture disrespectful of veterans and those killed in action.
Rickert wouldn't say whether any other Wisconsin soldiers would be reprimanded, saying he couldn't comment while the investigation was ongoing.
Gen. Frank J. Grass, head of the National Guard Bureau in Washington, D.C., said Wednesday he ordered the investigation to what he called a "disgraceful incident."
"This image is in very poor taste and clearly does not represent the values of the National Guard," he said in a statement. "I am confident the Army National Guard will quickly resolve this matter and take swift and appropriate action. Funeral duties are sacred and America's fallen deserve nothing less than our deepest respect."
Attempts to reach Harrison by phone and email have been unsuccessful. The National Guard has taken steps to protect her after she received death threats through social media and other means, Rickert said.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/trending/second-soldier-suspended-for-defending-flag-draped-casket-photo
Looks as if a second one of these ... 'individuals' ... has been suspended as well.
"She isn't disrespecting anyone," Jimenez wrote of Spc. Terry Harrison. "... It's actually a selfless commitment she has made. These practice sessions are very long. It's good to let loose a little. When your job constantly asked you to be serious. And no there's no one in the casket."
Jimenez was Harrison's task leader, or supervisor, in the Madison, Wis.-based 1st Battalion, 147th Aviation Regiment. Harrison also was suspended.
Eat SH*T you low-life coward, honestly, from one civilian to another, go out and eat some!
May you Never have a day of rest, peace or prosperity living off of the Bravery, Courage and Sacrifice of REAL MEN who have fought, bled and Died for This Country!
Hope you burn.
Holly
FlagDayNCO
02-20-2014, 10:03
There IS a difference, as I learned of a NJ Nasty Guard NCO violating the regs. As a Full-Time AGR NCO, the State MIL IG and Lawyers built a case in support of his CofC. NJ State Civilian lawyers stepped in and had the charges dropped, as they declared him protected as a State Employee and only subject to State regulations - not even Military.
The AGR play the game of State Technician or call themselves "Full-Time Army", as they see fit. Interesting thing was though he wore E7 rank and an Army uniform, the Big Army only considered him an E4. State Technicians have their own promotion system, even though they wear Army uniforms. They nominate each other for AGR Technician vacancies and then promote each other.
Someone at the IG got pissed and Big Army came in to prosecute him, as the equipment he made "lost", was still property of Uncle Sam.
Back to original thread...
This piece of crap may be WI ARNG, but she violated numerous regulations. CofC should be able to process her right out of the military, no questions asked. That the media reports she is "suspended" and we have discussed that "the lawyers" have to review this, is BEYOND ME. The future sees the ACLU and NAACP coming to her rescue.
Where oh where has the military gone? Obviously, the Progressive Liberal Socialists are having their way by flooding the uniformed services with all of these creatures that do not understand their obligation in being a member of the United States Army.
Somewhere in WI, there must be some NCOs who understand the need for dimensional lumber to be brought in. :(
Monsoon65
02-20-2014, 20:41
Jimenez ought to have his ass kicked for that stupid statement. "Long hours of practice". Wow, cry me a river.
Both of these shitbirds are in an Aviation Regiment. I don't think either should be removed from the Honor Guard detail. I think they ought to stay on it.
Next time they have a helicopter crash, they get to be involved in every facet of the recovery and investigation. They get to do body recovery and fly back with the body bags. Or ride the medevac with the injured crew.
They get to go to the hospital while the medics try to match pieces and parts.
And they especially get to go with the CoC as they explain to the crying families why someone isn't coming home that night. Wonder if they'll have a "fun funeral" planned for them? :mad:
Wisconsin is getting more than a little air time..
Army Discharged Wisconsin Kidnap Suspect
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Associated Press | Feb 20, 2014 | by Ryan J. Foley
IOWA CITY, Iowa - The woman charged with kidnapping her half sister's newborn this month had been discharged from the U.S. Army Reserve after about a year of service, military officials say.
Kristen Smith served in a Wisconsin-based unit from December 2011 until her removal in December 2012, the Army's Human Resources Command in Fort Knox, Ky., said this week following an inquiry from The Associated Press.
An involuntary discharge that early into an 8-year commitment signals major problems either with one's service or personal life, but the reason for Smith's cannot be divulged under Army policy, said Army Reserve spokesman Lt. Col. Matthew Lawrence. Such discharges are rare and typically done when soldiers fail to complete training, face legal issues or are seriously injured, he said.
"For one that early, there would be probably something administratively that would have forced their hand to discharge her," he said.
Army spokesman Ray Gall said her departure is considered an "entry-level discharge" since she had slightly less than one year of service. He said it was not the result of a crime or a court martial, but that he could not elaborate under Army policy.
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/02/20/army-discharged-wisconsin-kidnap-suspect.html?ESRC=eb.nl
AngelsSix
02-26-2014, 07:20
Simple solution to a long term problem:
No more cell phones on duty, unless you are a senior NCO, as in E-6 and above. All potential members of military service will be briefed on acceptable standards for online conduct. If they are caught doing garbage like this, out they go. Better men and women are being riffed out for less.
We need to start with replacing our recruiting teams. I think more than a few of our problems in the military start there.
And so it goes...
Richard
2 Soldiers In Casket Photo Flap Permanently Removed
ArmyTimes, 22 May 2014
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140522/NEWS02/305220056/2-soldiers-casket-photo-flap-permanently-removed
And so it goes...
Richard
2 Soldiers In Casket Photo Flap Permanently Removed
ArmyTimes, 22 May 2014
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140522/NEWS02/305220056/2-soldiers-casket-photo-flap-permanently-removed
Well what about UCMJ, reduction in rank and forfiture of pay?
Taking them off of a detail "Really harsh punishment":eek: