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Richard
02-11-2014, 11:51
An interesting piece to consider when opining on the next election cycle.

Richard

Writing Off the Unemployed
NYT, 9 Feb 2014

Back in 1987 my Princeton colleague Alan Blinder published a very good book titled “Hard Heads, Soft Hearts.” It was, as you might guess, a call for tough-minded but compassionate economic policy. Unfortunately, what we actually got — especially, although not only, from Republicans — was the opposite. And it’s difficult to find a better example of the hardhearted, softheaded nature of today’s G.O.P. than what happened last week, as Senate Republicans once again used the filibuster to block aid to the long-term unemployed.

What do we know about long-term unemployment in America?

First, it’s still at near-record levels. Historically, the long-term unemployed — those out of work for 27 weeks or more — have usually been between 10 and 20 percent of total unemployment. Today the number is 35.8 percent. Yet extended unemployment benefits, which went into effect in 2008, have now been allowed to lapse. As a result, few of the long-term unemployed are receiving any kind of support.

Second, if you think the typical long-term unemployed American is one of Those People — nonwhite, poorly educated, etc. — you’re wrong, according to research by the Urban Institute’s Josh Mitchell. Half of the long-term unemployed are non-Hispanic whites. College graduates are less likely to lose their jobs than workers with less education, but once they do they are actually a bit more likely than others to join the ranks of the long-term unemployed. And workers over 45 are especially likely to spend a long time unemployed.

Third, in a weak job market long-term unemployment tends to be self-perpetuating, because employers in effect discriminate against the jobless. Many people have suspected that this was the case, and last year Rand Ghayad of Northeastern University provided a dramatic confirmation. He sent out thousands of fictitious résumés in response to job ads, and found that potential employers were drastically less likely to respond if the fictitious applicant had been out of work more than six months, even if he or she was better qualified than other applicants.

What all of this suggests is that the long-term unemployed are mainly victims of circumstances — ordinary American workers who had the bad luck to lose their jobs (which can happen to anyone) at a time of extraordinary labor market weakness, with three times as many people seeking jobs as there are job openings. Once that happened, the very fact of their unemployment made it very hard to find a new job.

So how can politicians justify cutting off modest financial aid to their unlucky fellow citizens?

Some Republicans justified last week’s filibuster with the tired old argument that we can’t afford to increase the deficit. Actually, Democrats paired the benefits extension with measures to increase tax receipts. But in any case this is a bizarre objection at a time when federal deficits are not just falling, but clearly falling too fast, holding back economic recovery.

For the most part, however, Republicans justify refusal to help the unemployed by asserting that we have so much long-term unemployment because people aren’t trying hard enough to find jobs, and that extended benefits are part of the reason for that lack of effort.

People who say things like this — people like, for example, Senator Rand Paul — probably imagine that they’re being tough-minded and realistic. In fact, however, they’re peddling a fantasy at odds with all the evidence. For example: if unemployment is high because people are unwilling to work, reducing the supply of labor, why aren’t wages going up?

But evidence has a well-known liberal bias. The more their economic doctrine fails — remember how the Fed’s actions were supposed to produce runaway inflation? — the more fiercely conservatives cling to that doctrine. More than five years after a financial crisis plunged the Western world into what looks increasingly like a quasi-permanent slump, making nonsense of free-market orthodoxy, it’s hard to find a leading Republican who has changed his or her mind on, well, anything.

And this imperviousness to evidence goes along with a stunning lack of compassion.

If you follow debates over unemployment, it’s striking how hard it is to find anyone on the Republican side even hinting at sympathy for the long-term jobless. Being unemployed is always presented as a choice, as something that only happens to losers who don’t really want to work. Indeed, one often gets the sense that contempt for the unemployed comes first, that the supposed justifications for tough policies are after-the-fact rationalizations.

The result is that millions of Americans have in effect been written off — rejected by potential employers, abandoned by politicians whose fuzzy-mindedness is matched only by the hardness of their hearts.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/10/opinion/krugman-writing-off-the-unemployed.html

sinjefe
02-11-2014, 12:00
Paul Krugman is about as ideologically leftist as they come. Economist or not, he can always be counted on to take the leftist point of view.

Javadrinker
02-11-2014, 12:41
I am college educated, over 45, and as of 16 July 13 one of those unemployed, and now not receiving any assistance. I am fortunate in that I have no bills; made sacrifices to make sure that we had no bills before either of us retired;other than water, electric, and property taxes.
I did save while working, we do have my wife's retirement, and we will make it. I do feel compassion for those that are in my age range and those struggling to make ends meet through no fault of their own.
IF we had REAL Americans in Congress, I feel a good long look at any and all foreign aid should be examined as we should assist Americans.. US Citizens before $1.00 is spent on any foreign aid. Congressional retirement should be revisited and definitely modified, convicted criminals being paid more than honorably retired military? How about one retirement plan for all US GOV employees; CIV and MIL.

My apologies for the rant.

JD

craigepo
02-11-2014, 13:35
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The result is that millions of Americans have in effect been written off — rejected by potential employers, abandoned by politicians whose fuzzy-mindedness is matched only by the hardness of their hearts.

The problem with Krugman's liberal economics is that he knows so much that is just false.

Obama has spent billions on a stimulus (didn't work), jammed Obamacare down the nation's throat (took away jobs and made healthcare less accessible), delayed the Keystone pipeline (jobs and energy? anyone?), picked winners and losers by bailing out GM and Chrysler, thrown away billions to "green energy" companies that are now extinct, etc etc. The result of all of this runaway liberal spending? Not one iota of economic "fix". Now, when someone proposes reining-in this outlandish spending, the Krugmans of the world scream about hard-heartedness, when in fact the results of their idiotic liberal economic policies are the cause of the problems.

The liberal messiah has been in office all this time, and any economic problems are still Bush's fault, or the GOP's fault, or anybody's except Krugman's allies. Maybe we should try some free-market fixes. You know, the type that made this nation into the richest, most free country in history.

MR2
02-11-2014, 14:12
How about one retirement plan for all US GOV employees; CIV and MIL.

How about we make all those eligible for that all-for-one retirement plan you propose give up many of their civil rights, be eligible for accompanied/unaccompanied moves at whim and short notice, eligible to be sent to armpits of the world (ever been to Thule?) under combat if not just plain hazardous conditions, and on and on. Think back to the aw shit days when you were in - I've blocked most of them out, but the scars remain.

How about... :boohoo

Pete
02-11-2014, 14:26
This is an interesting dog chasing tail story.

Maybe if we got straight answers and figures out of this administration we'd know just what the real numbers are.

As long as the administration is all back slapping over unemployment under 7% and how great that is there's no need for any extensions.

And where are the D's in all this? Oh, there were a few grumbles on TV but that was about it. No "drawing the line in the sand" stuff on this issue.

Once again, no matter what happens it's the Republicans Fault.

Streck-Fu
02-11-2014, 14:37
And this imperviousness to evidence goes along with a stunning lack of compassion.

Krugman is a hack. I find it surprising people actually take his writing seriously.

....it’s striking how hard it is to find anyone on the Republican side even hinting at sympathy for the long-term jobless. Being unemployed is always presented as a choice, as something that only happens to losers who don’t really want to work.

I find it curious that to propagate the view of how bad things are, a term had to be created to describe people working and earning less than they think they should be paid: underemployed.

I'm sorry you thought that your degree would net a specific salary....

However, it has been demonstrated often, people look for positions, not necessarily jobs. There are plenty of jobs. People are reluctant to either labor, learn a new trade, or be willing to take anything that puts food on the table until they can find something better...... Nope, that laid off B.A. in English employee is not willing to stock shelves at night.

tim180a
02-11-2014, 14:50
Krugman is a hack. I find it surprising people actually take his writing seriously.

You mean the former Enron adviser Paul Krugman? Yep, he's a hack. Even worse, a leftists Obama ass kissing hack...

Roguish Lawyer
02-11-2014, 15:11
Let's just have the government support everyone forever. :rolleyes:

The Reaper
02-11-2014, 15:39
Let's just have the government support everyone forever. :rolleyes:

I had no idea you were a Democrat.:D

TR

tonyz
02-11-2014, 15:54
The problem with Krugman's liberal economics is that he knows so much that is just false.

Obama has spent billions on a stimulus (didn't work), jammed Obamacare down the nation's throat (took away jobs and made healthcare less accessible), delayed the Keystone pipeline (jobs and energy? anyone?), picked winners and losers by bailing out GM and Chrysler, thrown away billions to "green energy" companies that are now extinct, etc etc. The result of all of this runaway liberal spending? Not one iota of economic "fix". Now, when someone proposes reining-in this outlandish spending, the Krugmans of the world scream about hard-heartedness, when in fact the results of their idiotic liberal economic policies are the cause of the problems.

The liberal messiah has been in office all this time, and any economic problems are still Bush's fault, or the GOP's fault, or anybody's except Krugman's allies. Maybe we should try some free-market fixes. You know, the type that made this nation into the richest, most free country in history.

Amen.

The "write off" will ultimately prove be the economic polices of the Obama administration.

The problem at hand is not hard hearts...but hard heads...

If you tie this thread with the Portland Oregon community organizer's rejecting a seemingly viable construction project in the TJ's story -- and you see a pattern...hard heads...not hard hearts...stifling and flat out ignoring economic opportunity.

Along with Keystone, it seems to me that opening grocery stores on decades vacant inner city lots, repealing ObamaCare, etc., etc., etc., would at least generate a smidgen...if not significantly more...opportunity for all.

Peregrino
02-11-2014, 17:33
Interesting. North Carolina CUT long term unemployment benefits and unemployment dropped. Over the last year it's gone from 9.4 to 6.9. That doesn't exactly support Mr. Krugman's thesis.