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Simulated video of attack against Israel and America on Iranian T.V.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/iranian-tv-airs-simulated-bombing-of-tel-aviv/
Iranian ships headed toward the coast of America.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/08/iran-says-warships-headed-close-to-u-s-borders/
I Wonder if the ship's have the ability to launch an EMP attack if they get close enough?
GratefulCitizen
02-08-2014, 23:18
Wonder what the cruising range of their ships is.
Sure would be a shame if their tanker had problems.
Of course, if they ran into such troubles near the US, I imagine the USCG would render assistance.
:D
My thought was a nuke. I know we don't think they have them yet but I would not be surprised if they do. Either we don't want to admit it or our lack of huminet in the area once again will bite us in the ass.
A nuke launched into the atmosphere over America to create am EMP blast would do more damage in the long run than one hitting a single US city.
The Reaper
02-09-2014, 00:13
A nuke launched into the atmosphere over America to create am EMP blast would do more damage in the long run than one hitting a single US city.
Absolutely true.
And if they launch it from an isolated ship, they would not need an ICBM, and we might not even know who did it.
TR
My thought was a nuke. I know we don't think they have them yet but I would not be surprised if they do. Either we don't want to admit it or our lack of huminet in the area once again will bite us in the ass.
Absolutely true.
And if they launch it from an isolated ship, they would not need an ICBM, and we might not even know who did it.
TR
Exactly, because they can't hit us from Iran doesn't mean that a ship sitting in international waters off our coast couldn't launch something a couple hundred miles into our atmosphere. Even if we knew exactly when they launched would we be able to stop it? We may take out their ships but it would be to late for us and a complete victory for them.
Iranian ships headed toward the coast of America.
I'm not 100% convinced they're actually sending the ships all the way.
Regarding the video, firstly, i'm impressed that their drone avoided our air defenses, second, i'm more impressed at the amount of missiles their drone carried :-) and third, with 170K missiles and rockets aimed at Israel (not only from Iran) at he moment, i have no doubt that IF there's an attack on Iran by anyone, Israel will have more than a few missiles land.
This "noise" is basically to appease the hardliners and show them that the leadership did not "give in" regarding the nuclear lie, sorry farce, i mean deal. ;-)
Hoepoe
I'm not 100% convinced they're actually sending the ships all the way.
Regarding the video, firstly, i'm impressed that their drone avoided our air defenses, second, i'm more impressed at the amount of missiles their drone carried :-) and third, with 170K missiles and rockets aimed at Israel (not only from Iran) at he moment, i have no doubt that IF there's an attack on Iran by anyone, Israel will have more than a few missiles land.
This "noise" is basically to appease the hardliners and show them that the leadership did not "give in" regarding the nuclear lie, sorry farce, i mean deal. ;-)
Hoepoe
Is it to appease the hardliners, or is it the hard liners preparing their people for war?
Is it to appease the hardliners, or is it the hard liners preparing their people for war?
Appease them and avoid internal conflict as well as keep the "Supreme Leader" (Ayatollah) "happy"; the hardliners are already ripe for war and the people's opinion doesn't really count there, when push comes to shove.
Team Sergeant
02-09-2014, 13:50
I almost placed this in The Comedy Zone.... I peed my pants laughing when I first read this..... I'm actually in awe that they could navigate that distance! :D
Iranian Northern Naval Fleet Commander Admiral Afshin Rezayee Haddad said Iranian warships are headed toward U.S. maritime borders to send "a message."
The move "is part of a longstanding protest against U.S. vessels in the Persian Gulf."
According to RT.com, Iranian warships started their voyage toward the U.S. on February 8th. This will mark the first time warships from Iran have come close to U.S. maritime borders.
No word on the number of vessels deployed or the length of time they will spend by U.S. maritime borders once they arrive.
Iran first announced plans to send these ships in September 2011, when they accused the U.S. of "global arrogance" for keeping a naval presence near Iranian "sea borders."
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/02/08/Iranian-Warships-Headed-Toward-U-S-Maritime-Borders-To-Send-A-Message
ddoering
02-09-2014, 13:52
I Wonder if the ship's have the ability to launch an EMP attack if they get close enough?
I wonder if their ships have enough life boats for the entire crew.
Did they not send ships to Venezuela a few years back?
I wonder if their ships have enough life boats for the entire crew.
It doesn't matter, and they don't care. It would be a suicide mission. I'm sure we have subs trailing them and as they get closer would be dogged by some surface ships. We would destroy the ships shortly after launch but by then it woUld be too late.
twistedsquid
02-09-2014, 14:11
Lurking silently beneath the waters is an American attack submarine. She's been shadowing the Iranian vessels since they steamed into the open sea.
Appease them and avoid internal conflict as well as keep the "Supreme Leader" (Ayatollah) "happy"; the hardliners are already ripe for war and the people's opinion doesn't really count there, when push comes to shove.
The people are more secular than you would think, plus it is a very young population and more tech savvy. If you want to prepare the population for complete war then propaganda would be where you start, propaganda and dehumanizing the enemy. Think Hitler prior to WWII. Prepping the civilian battlespace.
I'm sure Obama will lower the boom.
Historically, he doesn't take any guff from anyone...:rolleyes:
GreenSalsa
02-09-2014, 15:13
Lurking silently beneath the waters is an American attack submarine. She's been shadowing the Iranian vessels since they steamed into the open sea.
Considering some of the pictures I have seen on the internet, the sub shouldn't have that much problem following a 12 mile wake of oil and rust trailing the Iranian "war" ship....
Team Sergeant
02-09-2014, 19:03
Lurking silently beneath the waters is an American attack submarine. She's been shadowing the Iranian vessels since they steamed into the open sea.
I seriously doubt any US warships are following them..... As chief pointed out the only damage they can do is the oil slick they are leaving in their wake...... the EPA should be all over them!
ddoering
02-09-2014, 19:57
It doesn't matter, and they don't care. It would be a suicide mission. I'm sure we have subs trailing them and as they get closer would be dogged by some surface ships. We would destroy the ships shortly after launch but by then it woUld be too late.
I think you give these monkeys too much credit.
NurseTim
02-09-2014, 20:06
I seriously doubt any US warships are following them..... As chief pointed out the only damage they can do is the oil slick they are leaving in their wake...... the EPA should be all over them!
No, holder has given them special dispensation to violate any laws they may break. Valerie told him to let it go.
I think you give these monkeys too much credit.
Your probable right, Muslims would never consider suicide to attack their enemies. What was i thinking.
Or do they not have the capability to launch a rocket a couple hundred miles into the atmosphere?
The Reaper
02-09-2014, 22:12
Your probable right, Muslims would never consider suicide to attack their enemies. What was i thinking.
Or do they not have the capability to launch a rocket a couple hundred miles into the atmosphere?
Their buddies in NK sure do.
All they have to do is to keep making smaller warheads and longer range missiles till they reach the right point of convergence.
They can accelerate the process if our mortgage holders, the Chinese give them a little of the nuclear weapons tech they stole during the last Klinton administration.
And Barry will sit on his ass and let them do it.
TR
Their buddies in NK sure do.
All they have to do is to keep making smaller warheads and longer range missiles till they reach the right point of convergence.
They can accelerate the process if our mortgage holders, the Chinese give them a little of the nuclear weapons tech they stole during the last Klinton administration.
And Barry will sit on his ass and let them do it.
TR
There needs to be a sarcasm font. I was serious when I originally said they were a threat.
Scud d: The missile was originally designed to carry a 100-kiloton nuclear warhead or a 2,000 pound conventional warhead, with ranges from 100 to 180 miles.
Max height of a scud d missile:
Max height is about 200km (~115nm, ~124mi, 656000ft) at max range.
Ideal height for an EMP burst;
Multi-Megaton Burst between 180km/112 miles and 500km/310 miles high. EMP would cover between 900 and 1,500 miles from blast center. Peak ground-level voltages above 50,000 volts per meter.
GratefulCitizen
02-09-2014, 23:04
There needs to be a sarcasm font. I was serious when I originally said they were a threat.
Scud d: The missile was originally designed to carry a 100-kiloton nuclear warhead or a 2,000 pound conventional warhead, with ranges from 100 to 180 miles.
Max height of a scud d missile:
Max height is about 200km (~115nm, ~124mi, 656000ft) at max range.
Ideal height for an EMP burst;
Multi-Megaton Burst between 180km/112 miles and 500km/310 miles high. EMP would cover between 900 and 1,500 miles from blast center. Peak ground-level voltages above 50,000 volts per meter.
130,000 volts per meter still couldn't break stuff back in 2006.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/272552/the-electro-magnetic-pulse-produced-by-a-nuclear.pdf
mark46th
02-09-2014, 23:18
Normally, I would use Admiral Yamamoto's quote about awakening a sleeping giant. But with this POTUS and his cabinet, if I was Iran, I would attack the United States. There would be not only be no retaliation, we would probably pay them reparations for past actions, real and imagined...
Their buddies in NK sure do.
All they have to do is to keep making smaller warheads and longer range missiles till they reach the right point of convergence.
They can accelerate the process if our mortgage holders, the Chinese give them a little of the nuclear weapons tech they stole during the last Klinton administration.
And Barry will sit on his ass and let them do it.
TR
130,000 volts per meter still couldn't break stuff back in 2006.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/272552/the-electro-magnetic-pulse-produced-by-a-nuclear.pdf
I totally didn't understand anything other then his conclusion on the last page. I don't know the math at all, but people a lot smarter than me say its a danger. Electronics have gotten smaller and more delicate since 06 which is light years from the starfish test. Even the military considers it a threat.
GratefulCitizen
02-09-2014, 23:49
I totally didn't understand anything other then his conclusion on the last page. I don't know the math at all, but people a lot smarter than me say its a danger. Electronics have gotten smaller and more delicate since 06 which is light years from the starfish test. Even the military considers it a threat.
Definitely still a threat.
Especially in certain densely populated areas.
IIRC, small-yield weapons can still do plenty of damage.
The affected area is just much smaller.
Just wondering how widespread the potential damage would really be.
It's a big country.
9/11 didn't result in societal breakdown.
If they launched it along the eastern seaboard, very rough guesstimate N to S; Jacksonville FL, to NY, E to W ocean to about middle of kansas for a low mega ton weapon.
GratefulCitizen
02-10-2014, 00:18
If they launched it along the eastern seaboard, very rough guesstimate N to S; Jacksonville FL, to NY, E to W ocean to about middle of kansas for a low mega ton weapon.
Still not sure about the severity of damage.
Page 7 of the linked doc indicates a maximum pulse of less than 30,000 volts/meter, regardless of yield.
Page 8 indicated that pulses of 130,000 volts/meter were insufficient to cause damage.
Are electronics really that much more fragile now?
I've heard of custom made smaller EMP weapons, some of which can be aimed.
That's a different matter and you can see why hardening would be necessary in that context.
Just seems like a foolish ploy to detonate a radiological weapon over the US when there might not be much damage.
There are probably other more effective methods of achieving the same ends.
...Still not sure about the severity of damage...
...Just seems like a foolish ploy to detonate a radiological weapon over the US when there might not be much damage.
There are probably other more effective methods of achieving the same ends.
Highlighted text: I don't know about you, but if ONE American life is lost or altered at the hands of ANY foreign or domestic threat, I consider that to be severely damaging to someone.
As to the second portion of that post, It may be foolish to you, but it would be winning the world series for the radicals and non-radicals both. We seemed to garner a lot of patriotic support after we bombed the shit out of Japan right? Same difference. I'm not totally disagreeing with you, but maybe it could have been worded differently
Still not sure about the severity of damage.
Page 7 of the linked doc indicates a maximum pulse of less than 30,000 volts/meter, regardless of yield.
Page 8 indicated that pulses of 130,000 volts/meter were insufficient to cause damage.
Are electronics really that much more fragile now?
I've heard of custom made smaller EMP weapons, some of which can be aimed.
That's a different matter and you can see why hardening would be necessary in that context.
Just seems like a foolish ploy to detonate a radiological weapon over the US when there might not be much damage.
There are probably other more effective methods of achieving the same ends.
Well moores law says technology doubles every two years, but I think 1 to 1 1/2 years is more accurate. In 2009 the number of transistors in a CPU was 904 million and the latest fourth-gen Intel Core processor has 1.7billion transistors and runs as 3,000,000,000Hz.
Definitely still a threat.
Especially in certain densely populated areas.
IIRC, small-yield weapons can still do plenty of damage.
The affected area is just much smaller.
Just wondering how widespread the potential damage would really be.
It's a big country.
9/11 didn't result in societal breakdown.
9/11 we had a president that brought us together, plus only a small percentage were directly affected. Imagine larger Percentage affected plus no communications plus no food or medical services and no one coming to help. That's the danger.
The Reaper
02-10-2014, 12:49
If they launched it along the eastern seaboard, very rough guesstimate N to S; Jacksonville FL, to NY, E to W ocean to about middle of kansas for a low mega ton weapon.
The weapon yield required is significantly lower than that. A few hundred kilotons would probably do it.
Still not sure about the severity of damage.
Page 7 of the linked doc indicates a maximum pulse of less than 30,000 volts/meter, regardless of yield.
Page 8 indicated that pulses of 130,000 volts/meter were insufficient to cause damage.
Are electronics really that much more fragile now?
I've heard of custom made smaller EMP weapons, some of which can be aimed.
That's a different matter and you can see why hardening would be necessary in that context.
Just seems like a foolish ploy to detonate a radiological weapon over the US when there might not be much damage.
There are probably other more effective methods of achieving the same ends.
If you start with Starfish Prime, when we were still largely vaccuum tube based tech, and look at the sensitivity of the very small integrated circuits that we have today, and their increased vulnerability, you might be surprised.
There are multiple phases to the EMP event, with prompt EMP, scattered gammas and inelastic gammas produced by weapon neutrons producing an intermediate time signal from about 1 microsecond to 1 second. The energetic debris entering the ionosphere produces ionization and heating of the E-region. In turn, this causes the geomagnetic field to heave, producing a late-time magnetohydrodynamic (MHD) EMP generally called a heave signal. The effects are both electrical and magnetic.
The damage to the long haul power transmission and communication lines both destroys the transmission systems themselves while creating electrical and magnetic surges that damage the equipment attached to the systems as well as standalone devices which are not adequately protected.
Here is the Oak Ridge National Labs executive summary of the study, the details are at the additional meta reports on the ORNL website:
http://web.ornl.gov/sci/ees/etsd/pes/ferc_emp_gic.shtml
The summary and additional documentation is in the attachments to this post.
Conservative estimates place the recovery time to replace the grid for the majority of the affacted area at a minimum of 12-24 months.
Disregarding the direct damage to devices and the grid, how do you think the population will react to a year long blackout, particularly if the entire nation is affected?
The radiological impact of such an explosion would likely be minimal, indeed, the destruction of the electrical and communications infrastructure and the subsequent societal collapse would likely cause much greater deaths and destruction than a nuclear exchange with the same weapons targeting population centers.
Imagine the U.S. with 90%+ of the electrical and communications systems destroyed for at least a year or two? No power means no refineries, so no fuel, or distribution system either. Virtually everyone on a life support system, dialysis, supplemental oxygen, insulin, long-term medication, geriatrics, NICUs, etc., etc, will die relatively quickly. Disease will run rampant, along with famine and deaths from contaminated water and failed sewage treatment systems. What would we do with inmates incarcerated in the penal systems? How many days of illegal narcotics are available in the U.S. to keep addicts supplied before they run low and turn on hospitals and pharmacies for their meds? What will happen when those dependent on the government dole turn to others for their needs? How will we stop groups of armed thugs from taking whatever they want? How will you stop your neighbor with starving kids from looting the garden that you and your family have to rely on? Who will feed and provide water for the population? Our friends overseas?
Lots of damage beyond the weapons immediate effects. And what do we do in response?
TR
Time to learn code and build heliographs.
Pat
The weapon yield required is significantly lower than that. A few hundred kilotons would probably do it.
What do you think the Iranians would be able to produce?
Interesting interactive simulation.
http://empcover.com/EMP-Attack-Simulation.html
The Reaper
02-10-2014, 14:30
What do you think the Iranians would be able to produce?
Interesting interactive simulation.
http://empcover.com/EMP-Attack-Simulation.html
With the NKs assistance and ten years?
Enough.
TR
Iran Test-Fires Long-Range Missile
http://mobile.nytimes.com/reuters/2014/02/10/world/middleeast/10reuters-iran-missile.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0&referrer=
Expert: Iran ships a dry run for later nuclear/EMP attack; humiliate Obama
http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/expert-iran-ships-a-dry-run-for-later-nuclearemp-attack-humiliate-obama/article/2544041
9/11 we had a president that brought us together, plus only a small percentage were directly affected. Imagine larger Percentage affected plus no communications plus no food or medical services and no one coming to help. That's the danger.
Personally, I think a great deal of us would be somewhat well equipped to deal with the situation.
Its those that rely solely on Mother Government for everything.
Think about it............
No Power, No phones, No bank cards/EBT cards, No unemployment benefits
Imagine something like that happening in a predominately blue state like California, Crime would surge 10000% in a matter of 24 Hours. It would be the ideal situation to create chaos inside our own country without having to step foot on it.
The Reaper
02-15-2014, 11:20
Personally, I think a great deal of us would be somewhat well equipped to deal with the situation.
Its those that rely solely on Mother Government for everything.
Think about it............
No Power, No phones, No bank cards/EBT cards, No unemployment benefits
Imagine something like that happening in a predominately blue state like California, Crime would surge 10000% in a matter of 24 Hours. It would be the ideal situation to create chaos inside our own country without having to step foot on it.
Far less than you would imagine, unless you are limiting "us" to Special Forces personnel.
TR
Personally, I think a great deal of us would be somewhat well equipped to deal with the situation.
Its those that rely solely on Mother Government for everything.
Think about it............
No Power, No phones, No bank cards/EBT cards, No unemployment benefits
Imagine something like that happening in a predominately blue state like California, Crime would surge 10000% in a matter of 24 Hours. It would be the ideal situation to create chaos inside our own country without having to step foot on it.
My point exactly. Rural areas would do better than the urban areas which would see a massive die off ,of unprecedented proportion. There would be a die off in the rural areas too but they would be better able to adjust and work together to get through it.
The violence in the cities would spread quickly to the suburbs and outlying areas and this would give the rural areas a little bit of time to set up a self defense plan to protect their community/tribe.
My point exactly. Rural areas would do better than the urban areas which would see a massive die off ,of unprecedented proportion. There would be a die off in the rural areas too but they would be better able to adjust and work together to get through it.
The violence in the cities would spread quickly to the suburbs and outlying areas and this would give the rural areas a little bit of time to set up a self defense plan to protect their community/tribe.
Can you imagine somewhere like Baltimore or New York City?
Id give either of them 96 hours before being burnt to the ground.
All it takes is one person to throw a rock through a window.............and the whole system will come crashing down.
Well one can look at this as patting the head of the Supreme ruler Ayatollah, or playing with the balls of hardliners or poking the eyes of the Americans. IMO this is just a OPE action and seeing what we are doing. Back to the old days of the "Cold War" style and flexing military muscles.
I will add this to the tin foil hat thinking, side two of thinking. But we have to take threats, whatever or whichever kinds they maybe as face value. Iran is just like the friends that own our country to the east. I'm talking about the Chinese. Well the Iraians do understand or believe in international laws, borders and intellectual rights? Unlike the Chinesse. Iran just like the Chinese have turned up their cyber collection and/or exploitation over the years. Back to last year, I didn't see this in the MSM news around Christmas time. True or not, classified or Unclassified/FOUO or whichever, these attacks against cleared defense contractor (CDC Company within each of these countries can point out many different trends. Hoopoe love to hear what your take would be.
http://freebeacon.com/iranian-backed-hackers-steal-classified-israeli-saudi-military-info/
Yet if you take what the Chinese have been doing with CDCs, who is to say the Iranians are just sitting by doing nothing.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2331992/Chinese-hackers-access-U-S-weapon-systems-steal-blueprints-Australias-new-spy-HQ-months-opened.html
Why does this matter, remember tin hat on, if you can't get into the DoD then like in military faction why do you go after a place that is heavy defended, and strong in planning for an attack. Attack the weakly defended and physically weak. So you can look at it being intellectual gain or commercial commerce espionage or industrial espionage or whatever, but the bottom line factor is what.... Tin foil hat? Your answer here. Look at it this way, why does a company conduct industrial espionage against it's rival competitor?
Hoopoe you are right, if Iran is attacked, Israel will have steel rain of rockets coming down on her. But I will say the same will play true to the U.S. but on a smaller scale. Missiles, homemade one, are not hard to find or construct so within the U.S. boarders we could see smaller attacks along with any seaborne attacks.
http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Iranian-military-official-Hezbollah-capable-of-pinpoint-missile-strikes-in-Israel-337825
The Reaper
02-15-2014, 14:44
If we don't have an attack sub trailing them with fish targeted and ready to fire, someone is not doing their job.
TR
mark46th
02-15-2014, 15:10
I'd be suprised if they clear the Horn of Africa...
Team Sergeant
02-16-2014, 13:21
I'd be suprised if they clear the Horn of Africa...
I'd be surprised if they got past the Somali pirates... ;)
frostfire
02-20-2014, 20:03
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13920706001281
I ran has been experimenting with UAV since the 80's and with recent purported reverse-engineer of our GlobalHawk and Sentinel, the possibility is quite scary
Granted, that is their national media not much different than the Chinese channel boasting their ASAT technology
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq2ZzUAlaQg
http://www.space.com/19171-china-anti-satellite-test-concerns.html
Still, some of the program success claim is more of false propaganda, but the threat is absolutely plausible!
http://osimint.com/2013/10/21/irans-questionable-imint/
A few "Somali boats" ;) lobbing RPG and homemade 500lbs can present a speed bump or even a sinkhole along the way.
Also, how's sunni viewed in sufi and possibly wahhabist territory?
Iranian ships headed toward the coast of America.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/08/iran-says-warships-headed-close-to-u-s-borders/
Has anyone heard if these guys made it over here yet ???
With all the focus on the events happening in Ukraine, it'd be real easy to loose site of these bozos.
:munchin
mark46th
03-05-2014, 18:30
I think they made it as far as the Skeleton Coast...
Well, that answers that question .....
There’s Been a Change of Plans for Those Iranian Warships Sailing Toward U.S. Borders
Iran has decided to temporarily put off plans to deploy warships to the Atlantic Ocean and sail near U.S. maritime borders, a senior naval official has told Iran’s semi-official Fars News Agency.
The Islamic Republic had announced in January its intention to move a group of warships to the Atlantic Ocean for the first time in the country’s history, and as Iranian media reported earlier this year even held a naval ceremony in honor of the launch.
Then in February, a senior Iranian naval commander said the ships would sail close to U.S. maritime borders, a move believed to be a response to U.S. naval deployments in the Persian Gulf.
Fars reported on Sunday that the Iranian Navy has now changed the mission of the 29th flotilla, calling the warships back home before they entered the Atlantic Ocean. However, Iranian Navy Commander Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari said that a different group of ships would be deployed to the Atlantic.
“The Navy’s 30th flotilla of warships which will be dispatched in the future will be comprised of the Islamic Republic’s Alvand destroyer, Bushehr logistic warship and a helicopter,” Sayyari told Fars, but did not explain why the plans had been changed.
“The mission of any fleet of warships is specified and they are dispatched to the free waters on the basis of certain plannings,” the top military official said. “But considering the conditions of the region, it’s possible that the mission of a flotilla is changed; for instance, if the pirate attacks in the Gulf of Aden are intensified, some changes will be made in the mission of the fleets of warships.”
“All countries, including Iran, are entitled to the right to be present in the free waters, and we don’t seek to violate any country’s territorial waters,” Sayyari said in February.
“Like the arrogant powers that are present near our maritime borders, we will also have a powerful presence close to the American marine borders,” Sayyari was quoted by Fars as saying in 2011.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/14/theres-been-a-change-of-plans-for-those-iranian-warships-sailing-toward-u-s-borders/
mark46th
04-14-2014, 11:59
Like the F-18 pilot said, "OK- We'll wait."