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Dog Pound Zulu
01-22-2014, 18:51
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US Army Special Forces Now Training with Local Police in Secret Joint Effort
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Unwarranted NSA surveillance, the passage of NDAA, stop and frisk programs, and the rise of warrior cops, have essentially turned America into a centralized police state.
Blurring the lines between the U.S. military and local sheriff departments sets a dangerous precedent that erodes freedom and civil liberties.
Those lines are being blurred right now in South Carolina.
According to The State, the Richland County Sheriff’s Department will participate in secretive joint exercise Monday and Tuesday with unnamed units from Ft. Bragg.
The drills are scheduled to run up to midnight on both days and occur primarily in Lower Richland, around Hopkins and Eastover. Exercises will also take place around the Screaming Eagle Road near Elgin and North Richland County near outbound Monticello Road.
According to The State, a sheriff’s department spokesman refused to provide which units from Ft. Bragg are involved. Ft. Bragg is home to the U.S. Army’s elite groups, including the Special Forces and Delta Force.
The spokesman also said the drills would be noisy at times.
“Citizens may see military and departmental vehicles traveling in and around rural and metropolitan areas and may hear ordnance being set off or fired which will be simulated/ blanks and controlled by trained personnel,” a sheriff’s department press release said.
The secretive exercises are off limits to the media, reports The Activist Post.
The implications are serious.
Locally elected Sheriffs take an oath to uphold, preserve, and defend the Constitution. They are not an extension of the centralized federal government. They have the ultimate say in their county as the top law enforcement officer.
If sheriff deputies engage an enemy in conjunction with the U.S. military who do they take orders from? The ARMY commander? Or their Sheriff?
This violates the separation of local authorities and the federal government. If the separation of powers are eliminated, who will protect the Constitutional rights of citizens?
Contact the Richland County Sheriff’s Department and feel free to express disapproval with local police working with the US military like this. Here’s their contact information:
Sheriff Leon Lott
5623 Two Notch Road
Columbia, South Carolina 29223
(803) 576-3000 phone (803) 576-3195 fax
sheriff@rcsd.net
Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/01/us-army-special-forces-now-training-local-police-secret-joint-effort/#TzezO2zB5oQq8PeW.99
Add this to the infowars crap about secret military maneuvers I'm Houston, Phoenix and Miami. According to some of those freaks black helicopters were doing gun runs down the interstate and there were russian and czech troops patrolling the streets. Bunch of crazy people over there.
Like we have not been doing that forever........we can be our own worst enemy...conservatives.
lol Specops run amok!!! :D
Team Sergeant
01-22-2014, 19:28
I was just reading that myself...... by Joshua Cook I seriously doubt after reading it that Joshua Cook has ever met a Special Forces soldier and he might wet his pants if he knew all the places in the United States we've trained..... I guess Joshua Cook has not yet read our Second Amendment letter...... Someone with a Facebook account log onto that website and invite Joshua Cook here to our website, he is in need of a little Special Forces education.
I just went over there and posted, I invited Joshua Cook to come and talk to us.
US Army Special Forces Now Training with Local Police in Secret Joint Effort
Posted By Joshua Cook on Jan 21, 2014 in Articles, Email Featured, Military, News, Police State, US News | 285 Comments
Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/01/us-army-special-forces-now-training-local-police-secret-joint-effort/#6qkyq8p6l5qCO39D.99
Add this to the infowars crap about secret military maneuvers I'm Houston, Phoenix and Miami. According to some of those freaks black helicopters were doing gun runs down the interstate and there were russian and czech troops patrolling the streets. Bunch of crazy people over there.
Thank you well said!!!! Something of what MSM and many others do. Let's play off what is currently hot and hit that as a talking points.
Nothing to see here, move on.
Peregrino
01-22-2014, 20:32
Pure unadulterated tin-foil hat wearing, black helicopter coming to get them, conspiracy nutcase BS. :mad:
Team Sergeant
01-23-2014, 14:07
I was just reading that myself...... by Joshua Cook I seriously doubt after reading it that Joshua Cook has ever met a Special Forces soldier and he might wet his pants if he knew all the places in the United States we've trained..... I guess Joshua Cook has not yet read our Second Amendment letter...... Someone with a Facebook account log onto that website and invite Joshua Cook here to our website, he is in need of a little Special Forces education.
I just went over there and posted, I invited Joshua Cook to come and talk to us.
US Army Special Forces Now Training with Local Police in Secret Joint Effort
Posted By Joshua Cook on Jan 21, 2014 in Articles, Email Featured, Military, News, Police State, US News | 285 Comments
Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/01/us-army-special-forces-now-training-local-police-secret-joint-effort/#6qkyq8p6l5qCO39D.99
Well I thought I posted, I guess the moderators didn't like my post and decided not to allow it. Some much for attempting to help the tinfoil hat crowd.
Well I thought I posted, I guess the moderators didn't like my post and decided not to allow it. Some much for attempting to help the tinfoil hat crowd.
I made that mistake at infowars. They had a article on military units training In Phoenix. No matter what i said or any logical argument they were all convinced the military was planning to start killing civilians. They are as bad as the liberal anti gun nuts.
Well I thought I posted, I guess the moderators didn't like my post and decided not to allow it. Some much for attempting to help the tinfoil hat crowd.
Joshua Cook and his audience (as well as the Infowars crowd) would undoubtably benefit from the education they would receive here - certainly as pertains to anything SF.
The only headache might be moderating some of the whacky stuff they might contribute.
I hope I'm wrong, but the country is going to need all the help it can get if Hillary gets in and appoints a new Justice or two to the Supreme Court...and I hear the Obama's like DC.
The Reaper
01-23-2014, 17:21
Where do they think the US Army trains, overseas?
Between UW exercises like Robin Sage, intel exercises, and urban training, (most of which benefit the locals as much as anybody) we are almost constantly training someone off post.
Hell, Robin Sage robbed a bank one day in broad daylight and has previously snatched Sheriffs. That was pretty cool.
TR
Utah Bob
01-23-2014, 18:13
Oh bullshit.:rolleyes:
Stealthed
01-23-2014, 18:46
Where do they think the US Army trains, overseas?
Between UW exercises like Robin Sage, intel exercises, and urban training, (most of which benefit the locals as much as anybody) we are almost constantly training someone off post.
Hell, Robin Sage robbed a bank one day in broad daylight and has previously snatched Sheriffs. That was pretty cool.
TR
Well said TR. It's pretty frightening that some people actually believe some of the things mentioned in Max_Tab's post.
Well said TR. It's pretty frightening that some people actually believe some of the things mentioned in Max_Tab's post.
That's not even the worst part. Some of them were advocating shooting at the helicopters. Pretty sure most of them were blowhards, but that fact that they were taking about it was disturbing.
Peregrino
01-23-2014, 20:13
All of these off-post training events are rigorously scrutinized. The prior coordination is extensive and the approval process is painful. Off the top of my head, I don't remember the number for the DoDI but everybody between the SFG(A) and DoD has added to it. End result, an ODA wanting to train off of a Federal Installation had better be really serious about it because it will have grown into a royal PITA long before execution date. Hell - certain types of exercise require Congressional notification prior to approval to execute. And all of the measures emplaced are designed to prevent even the perception of what this irresponsible article is suggesting.
Lord, save me from the ravings of idiots.
All of these off-post training events are rigorously scrutinized. The prior coordination is extensive and the approval process is painful. Off the top of my head, I don't remember the number for the DoDI but everybody between the SFG(A) and DoD has added to it. End result, an ODA wanting to train off of a Federal Installation had better be really serious about it because it will have grown into a royal PITA long before execution date. Hell - certain types of exercise require Congressional notification prior to approval to execute. And all of the measures emplaced are designed to prevent even the perception of what this irresponsible article is suggesting.
Lord, save me from the ravings of idiots.
lol I know, right?
A Rod Serling screenplay, is what it is.
Don't even get me started on land use with the forest service. :mad:
I cant wait until we get to start opressing our countrymen...
...hell, thats what they are voting for at the polls; I am ready to deliver!
Where do they think the US Army trains, overseas?
Between UW exercises like Robin Sage, intel exercises, and urban training, (most of which benefit the locals as much as anybody) we are almost constantly training someone off post.
Hell, Robin Sage robbed a bank one day in broad daylight and has previously snatched Sheriffs. That was pretty cool.
TR
Yes U.S. military trains overseas.. That what contracts and big companies are all for right. They just let the U.S. military fly over and play in their backyards.
Great example of my why go low vis with no military vehicles or clothing if you can. BUT like Peregrino said. Man you can spend as much time planning, coordination and paperwork as excecuting the training. Throw out the 1/3 to 2/3 planning time if your going off-post.
On the Freedom Outpost link Jeff Schnell was trying to interject a bit of sanity to the comments page. I do have an account on Freedom Outpost. I can direct Joshua Cook here for an education from the QPs.
What I posted on 1-24-14:
Dear Mr. Cook: I thought you might like to know that real Special Forces soldiers, present and retired, are having trouble deciding whether to laugh at this article or be irritated by the disinformation. Just to let you know, you can reach a lot of them at ProfessionalSoldiers.com for any information - and an education - about the real Quiet Professionals. This is a website created by real Special Forces soldiers, The U.S. Army Green Berets.
They welcome guests to their site who have questions that only Special Forces soldiers would be able to answer accurately. The knowledge that can be found there pertaining to a wide range of issues - particularly among those SF tested in situations all over the world - is second to none. They would be most happy to answer any questions you might have as long as the answers do not affect operational security. Why not try asking those who know?
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Team Sergeant, I hope I haven't stepped outside my place with this post; but I thought if the man really wants answers (and as you said, "an education") he might as well be directed to the right place.
The Reaper
01-24-2014, 18:31
I got the impression that there were a lot of closed minds there who were convinced that everything is a conspiracy against them.
You can lead the horse to water....:rolleyes:
TR
Team Sergeant
01-24-2014, 21:13
On the Freedom Outpost link Jeff Schnell was trying to interject a bit of sanity to the comments page. I do have an account on Freedom Outpost. I can direct Joshua Cook here for an education from the QPs.
What I posted on 1-24-14:
Dear Mr. Cook: I thought you might like to know that real Special Forces soldiers, present and retired, are having trouble deciding whether to laugh at this article or be irritated by the disinformation. Just to let you know, you can reach a lot of them at ProfessionalSoldiers.com for any information - and an education - about the real Quiet Professionals. This is a website created by real Special Forces soldiers, The U.S. Army Green Berets.
They welcome guests to their site who have questions that only Special Forces soldiers would be able to answer accurately. The knowledge that can be found there pertaining to a wide range of issues - particularly among those SF tested in situations all over the world - is second to none. They would be most happy to answer any questions you might have as long as the answers do not affect operational security. Why not try asking those who know?
************************************************** *********************
Team Sergeant, I hope I haven't stepped outside my place with this post; but I thought if the man really wants answers (and as you said, "an education") he might as well be directed to the right place.
That's fine.
I think the Reaper said it well in the post before this one. Even if we set them straight they probably still would not believe us.....
Sadly, I fear that our governmnet would have me and those like me arrested...
....loooooong before they equipped us to roll into John Q. Publics house to take his shit.
Returning veterans are already portrayed as a domestic threat to peace and tranqulity; why not lock them up BEFORE trouble starts. Does the real tin-foil hat crowd think that the same folks that scare the governmnet now would be used to help launch the love-boat of tyranny?
We do tin foil hat shit so we can oppress our allies...
...the warrior cops already have the market corned on oppressing american citizens.
Just an observation
Nonstop24/7
01-25-2014, 10:46
WND EXCLUSIVE
CONGRESS GRANTS OBAMA 'FREE REIN FOR MARTIAL LAW'
'Subjugation of citizenry' looming as U.S. becomes 'police state'
Published: 1 day ago
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Bob Unruh joined WND in 2006 after nearly three decades with the Associated Press, as well as several Upper Midwest newspapers, where he covered everything from legislative battles and sports to tornadoes and homicidal survivalists. He is also a photographer whose scenic work has been used commercially.
Some of the nation’s most respected legal teams are asking the Supreme Court to take up a challenge to the indefinite-detention provisions of the National Defense Authorization Act, charging the law has created the framework for a police state.
The controversial provision authorizes the military, under presidential authority, to arrest, kidnap, detain without trial and hold indefinitely American citizens thought to “represent an enduring security threat to the United States.”
Journalist Chris Hedges, who is suing the government over a controversial provision in the National Defense Authorization Act, is seen here addressing a crowd in New York's Zuccotti Park.
Journalist Chris Hedges is among the plaintiffs charging the law could be used to target journalists who report on terror-related issues.
A friend-of-the-court brief submitted in the case states: “The central question now before this court is whether the federal judiciary will stand idly by while Congress and the president establish the legal framework for the establishment of a police state and the subjugation of the American citizenry through the threat of indefinite military arrest and detention, without the right to counsel, the right to confront one’s accusers, or the right to trial.”
The brief was submitted to the Supreme Court by attorneys with the U.S. Justice Foundation of Ramona, Calif., Friedman Harfenist Kraut & Perlstein of Lake Success, N.Y., and William J. Olson, P.C. of Vienna, Va.
The attorneys are Michael Connelly, Steven J. Harfenist, William J. Olson, Herbert W. Titus, John S. Miles, Jeremiah L. Morgan and Robert J. Olson.
They are adding their voices to the chorus asking the Supreme Court to overturn the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which said the plaintiffs didn’t have standing to challenge the law adopted by Congress.
The brief is on behalf of U.S. Rep. Steve Stockman, Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall, Virginia Sen. Dick Black, the U.S. Justice Foundation, Gun Owners Foundation, Gun Owners of America, Center for Media & Democracy, Downsize DC Foundation, Downsize DC.org, Free Speech Defense & Education Fund, Free Speech Coalition, Western Journalism Center, The Lincoln Institute, Institute on the Constitution, Abraham Lincoln Foundation and Conservative Legal Defense & Education Fund.
The 2014 NDAA was fast-tracked through the U.S. Senate, with no time for discussion or amendments, while most Americans were distracted by the scandal surrounding A&E’s troubles with “Duck Dynasty” star Phil Robertson.
Eighty-five of 100 senators voted in favor of the new version of the NDAA, which had already been quietly passed by the House of Representatives.
Hedges, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, and others filed a lawsuit in 2012 against the Obama administration to challenge the legality of an earlier version of the NDAA.
It’s Section 1021 of the 2012 NDAA, and its successors, that drew a lawsuit by Hedges, Daniel Ellsberg, Jennifer Bolen, Noam Chomsky, Alex O’Brien, Kai Warg All, Brigitta Jonsottir and the group U.S. Day of Rage. Many of the plaintiffs are authors or reporters who stated that the threat of indefinite detention by the U.S. military already had altered their activities.
“It’s clearly unconstitutional,” Hedges says of the bill. “It is a huge and egregious assault against our democracy. It overturns over 200 years of law, which has kept the military out of domestic policing.”
Hedges is a former foreign correspondent for the New York Times and was part of a team of reporters awarded a Pulitzer Prize in 2002 for the paper’s coverage of global terrorism.
The friend-of-the-court brief warns the precedent “leaves American citizens vulnerable to arrest and detention, without the protection of the Bill of Rights, under either the plaintiff’s or the government’s theory of the case.
“The judiciary must not await subsequent litigation to resolve this issue, as the nature of military detention is that American citizens then would have no adequate legal remedy,” the brief explains.
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Section 1021 allows the detention of anyone, including American citizens, by the military, if the president considers that person to have helped with terror. It’s different from the Authorization for the Use of Military Force, which was adopted immediately after the Sept. 11 terror attacks, because while that law allows detention, there must be something linking them to the Sept. 11 attacks.
“Section 1021 authorizes detention, potentially forever, and even rendition of American citizens to foreign nations,” the brief points out. “If this court refuses to hear the Hedges challenge, it will leave American citizens subject to unconstitutional military arrest and detention.
“If this court does not grant the petition, there is no reason to believe the U.S. presidents would cease to assert ‘the right to place certain individuals [including American citizens] in military detention, without trial.’ There would continue to be no statutory constraint on an arrest being authorized by a military officer of unspecified rank. There would be no protection provided by the requirement of a grand jury indictment. There would be no requirement of an arrest arrant issued by an Article II judge supported by a sworn affidavit showing probable cause of the commission of a specific crime. Neither would there be any protection against use of compelled testimony, or against an violation of due process of law. There would be no civilian proceedings whatsoever against the person detained. Indeed, there is no requirement that the individual being detained has committed any federal crime, and military detentions could be used to circumvent the protections afforded American citizens by the treason clause of the U.S. Constitution.”
It describes a scary scenario.
“After the string of black Suburbans pulls away, it is difficult to believe that the military would provide relatives or lawyers with any information whatsoever as to where the person being detained was being held.”
After all, it explains, Congress specifically expressed its desire for the detention provision to apply to American citizens even on American soil by rejecting multiple amendments that would have exempted them.
And Obama, also, affirmed the detention authority, stating, “I want to clarify that my administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens … My administration will interpret Section 1021 in a manner that ensures that any detention it authorizes complies with the Constitution, the laws of war, and all other applicable law.”
Simply stating that means it could be interpreted in a contrary manner.
At the trial court level, U.S. District Judge Katherine B. Forrest issued a Memorandum Opinion and Order that struck the provision as unconstitutional.
Multiple states have passed laws banning its enforcement inside those states. Herb Titus, a constitutional expert, previously told WND Forrest’s ruling underscored “the arrogance of the current regime, in that they will not answer questions that they ought to answer to a judge because they don’t think they have to.”
The judge explained that the plaintiffs alleged paragraph 1021 is “constitutionally infirm, violating both their free speech and associational rights guaranteed by the 1st Amendment as well due process rights guaranteed by the 5th Amendment.”
She noted the government “did not call any witnesses, submit any documentary evidence or file any declarations.”
“It must be said that it would have been a rather simple matter for the government to have stated that as to these plaintiffs and the conduct as to which they would testify, that [paragraph] 1021 did not and would not apply, if indeed it did or would not,” she wrote.
Instead, the administration only responded with, “I’m not authorized to make specific representations regarding specific people.”
“The court’s attempt to avoid having to deal with the constitutional aspects of the challenge was by providing the government with prompt notice in the form of declarations and depositions of the … conduct in which plaintiffs are involved and which they claim places them in fear of military detention,” she wrote. “To put it bluntly, to eliminate these plaintiffs’ standing simply by representing that their conduct does not fall within the scope of 1021 would have been simple. The government chose not to do so – thereby ensuring standing and requiring this court to reach the merits of the instant motion.
“Plaintiffs have stated a more than plausible claim that the statute inappropriately encroaches on their rights under the 1st Amendment,” she wrote.
Experts have expressed concern that even a journalist who has interviewed a member of a terror group may be considered to have rendered aid to that group.
The government appealed the trial judge’s ruling to the 2nd Circuit, which abruptly ruled that the plaintiffs had no right to challenge the law.
The 2014 NDAA was fast-tracked through the U.S. Senate, with no time for discussion or amendments, while most Americans were distracted by the scandal surrounding A&E’s troubles with “Duck Dynasty” star Phil Robertson.
LOLOL
Don't even get me started on land use with the forest service. :mad:
That's funny, I've seen stuff in the back country in Montana and in Arizona. Thought the military had a good relationship with usnf.
In AZ while checking out lion caves two black hawks landed bout 300yrds away dropped some guys off and came back an hour or so later to get them. Guess a oga could of borrowed them. It was about seven air miles from any road.
One of about eight occurrences since the late nineties, border stuff excluded.