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Snaquebite
01-22-2014, 10:02
The Pentagon on Wednesday is expected to announce widespread changes to rules governing religious items and religion-based physical attributes that service members can maintain while in uniform — including beards, some religious tattoos, and turbans.

NBC News obtained an early draft of the new Department of Defense instruction which states that the military will make every effort to accommodate “individual expressions of sincerely held beliefs” (conscience, moral principles, or religious beliefs) of service members.

It goes on to say that unless doing so could have an adverse impact on military readiness, unit cohesion, good order and discipline, health and safety, or any other military requirement, commanders can grant service members special permission to display their religious articles while in uniform.

Requests for religious accommodation can be denied when the “needs of mission accomplishment outweigh the needs of the service member,” the directive will explain.

Earlier this month, a major in the U.S. Army who is a Sikh American took his case to staffers on the Hill, explaining how he and other Sikhs should be able to serve in uniform and still maintain their religious beliefs, including wearing turbans and unshorn hair, including beards.

The new directive will explain that if the articles of faith or physical attributes interfere with the proper function of protective clothing and equipment, the request could be denied. For example, a beard or unshorn hair cannot interfere with gas masks or helmets.

Jewish service members can request permission to wear a yarmulke while in uniform. Muslim service members can request to wear a beard and carry prayer beads. Even Wiccan service members, those who practice "Magick," can seek accommodation — the directive covers all religions recognized by the U.S. military.

The policy will also spell out that service members have the right to observe no religion at all.

According to Defense Department statistics, which are based solely on self-reporting, there are only a handful of Sikh Americans in the military (about 3).

There are nearly 3,700 Muslims, nearly 6,300 Buddhists, and more than 1,500 Wiccans.

The immediate commander can approve some of the religious accommodation, but some will have to be kicked up to higher headquarters.

In some cases wearing something that impacts the uniform (religious apparel), grooming (beards, longer hair), religious tattoos, and some jewelry with religious inscriptions.

The directive stresses that “the importance of uniformity and adhering to standards, of putting unit before self, is more significant and needs to be carefully evaluated when considering each request for accommodation.”

It goes on to say that “it is particularly important to consider the effect on unit cohesion.”

Each individual service member has to re-apply for new permission at each new assignment, transfer of duty stations, and for each deployment.


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/22/22376938-pentagon-to-relax-rules-on-personal-religious-wear-including-beards-turbans?lite

mojaveman
01-22-2014, 10:41
Sounds like the U.S. military is turning into a real circus. Any Hare Krishnas spotted on Bragg yet?

glebo
01-22-2014, 12:19
cool, as long as they don't have tattoos...

Utah Bob
01-22-2014, 12:58
Wiccans may carry a broom in lieu of an M4.:rolleyes:

MR2
01-22-2014, 13:27
Wiccans may carry a broom in lieu of an M4.:rolleyes:

And will probably be just if not more effective.

Snaquebite
01-22-2014, 13:30
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/22/pentagon-relaxing-rules-on-religious-clothing-facial-hair/

Can't wait to see this policy memorandum. :munchin

orion5
01-22-2014, 13:49
Next will be the camo burkas and niqabs.....

Requiem
01-22-2014, 15:56
It goes on to say that unless doing so could have an adverse impact on military readiness, unit cohesion, good order and discipline, health and safety, or any other military requirement, commanders can grant service members special permission to display their religious articles while in uniform.

I would hope that this clause gets used frequently. Unit cohesion would cover just about everything, wouldn't it?

"Our unit cohesion sucks because the turban-wearing wiccan with the hexagram pendant riding a broom with a prayer rug in his ruck gets special privileges."

No?

What happened to unit, duty, country, before self?

S.

Mills
01-22-2014, 16:23
cool, as long as they don't have tattoos...

Or sideburns longer than the top of your ear.............

Max_Tab
01-22-2014, 18:00
I think it's awesome, especially if a group commander would do this for every team guy. Long Hair and beards are every team guys religious expressions. Imagine an entire group looking like the guys from duck dynasty.

olddoc
01-22-2014, 18:18
Can you get an appropriate seal of a mask over a full beard to operate in an NBC environment or wear a helmet over a turban? Are you required to sign a release stating that you aren't concerned about lack of appropriate function of gear in certain environments, or are you exempted from operating in those environments because your cultural grooming precludes it.
I would have thought individuality would take a back seat to unit readiness and safety. I've been out of the military for a long time so maybe my examples are no longer valid.

ghp95134
01-22-2014, 19:58
Sikhs in the Indian Army wear helmets.

The fellah who posted that image says [ca. 2009]:
Sikh soldiers in the Indian Army wear the Patka Helmet, a steel and kevlar ballistic sleeve that fits over a turban. It actualy gives better protection than a standard Kevlar helmet.

source (www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=8&f=5&t=360793)

The thread title is "Sikh police want ballistic turban".


--ghp

Dusty
01-23-2014, 09:07
I think it's awesome, especially if a group commander would do this for every team guy. Long Hair and beards are every team guys religious expressions. Imagine an entire group looking like the guys from duck dynasty.

lol They'd sure blend in up here.

Snaquebite
01-23-2014, 09:20
Well, there only a handful of Sikhs in the military yet thousands of Muslims. Who is this really catering to...I'll be willing to bet the number claiming Muslim on record will soon rise. :munchin

PedOncoDoc
01-23-2014, 09:48
Well, there only a handful of Sikhs in the military yet thousands of Muslims. Who is this really catering to...I'll be willing to bet the number claiming Muslim on record will soon rise. :munchin

Next you will have men claiming to be lesbians with gender identity disorder and requesting permission to wear birkenstocks. :rolleyes:

Richard
01-23-2014, 10:14
DOD Releases New Religious Accommodation Instruction

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=121525

Accommodation of Religious Practices Within the Military Services (Updated)

http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/130017p.pdf

Snaquebite
01-23-2014, 10:57
So.......Hassan can finally grow his beard again. :rolleyes:

JJ_BPK
01-23-2014, 13:25
Next will be the camo burkas and niqabs.....

It's already there..

http://www.thetakeaway.org/story/306121-story-one-soldier-challenging-military-uniforms/

This should really rattle the libs and they're NO RELIGION IN THE WORK PLACE posture..

The ACLU will crank the courts with lots of work.

In the guise of no religious bias,, do you think everyone will get a beard?? You can't use religion as a filter and be unbiased..

After all you cowboy(s) need to live up to your image.. :D

Monsoon65
01-23-2014, 18:21
Well, I wonder how well they can seal a gas mask with a beard. Gas chamber ought to be fun to watch.

The Reaper
01-23-2014, 19:46
Hey, if Sally can have a ponytail and be an Infantryman, err...InfantryPERSON, why can't Johnny?

TR

Box
01-23-2014, 20:58
...if I change my religious preference on my ERB can I grow a beard and wear a turban?

I need to find a religious movement that requires tattoos........


The inmates are really making that last big push to take control of the asylum
Silly fuckers

Peregrino
01-23-2014, 21:15
...I need to find a religious movement that requires tattoos........


Asatru! That way you can have it all. Beard, hair, tattoos, and a honking big axe.

jbour13
01-23-2014, 21:22
I'm cool with it. No need to ask my young Soldier for his weapon to then unmask to find out if it's chemical persistent or biological. Self selecting canaries in the coal mine. Next war will be a bit nasty methinks.

Didn't Jesus have a beard? Just saying 18C = carpenter = Jesus was a carpenter = you can have a beard.

I could go all day down the MOSs. I'm intel, expected (though very untrue) to be all knowing......BAM!!!! Beard for religious expression and efficiency to distribute knowledge to the flock.

Sdiver
01-23-2014, 21:41
Asatru! That way you can have it all. Beard, hair, tattoos, and a honking big axe.

I'm there !!!!!! :lifter

http://www.religionfacts.com/a-z-religion-index/asatru.htm

Wonder if it will exempt me from the ACA (Barrycare) ??? :munchin

Tree Potato
01-23-2014, 22:25
Asatru! That way you can have it all. Beard, hair, tattoos, and a honking big axe.

Or Pastafarian (church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster), with traditional pirate attire...beard, hair, tattoos, long blades, beer, and buxom arm candy. Metal colandar headgear is optional. http://www.venganza.org/

Just think, local commanders don't have authority to deny these exception to policy requests; they must be sent up the chain to the top Pentagon brass. Can't wait to see some of those emails!

AngelsSix
01-24-2014, 07:30
I found it interesting that once our men went to war and started coming home with beards, now lots of guys are growing beards and going for the "I'm a SF guy home on leave" thing at the local bars. It's sort of sad....

On another note, I do love a well armed man with a beard....as long as he is on our side.:D:lifter

I'm still trying to find the guy that brought me coffee in Kirkuk.....he had a great beard.;)

Peregrino
01-24-2014, 14:33
I found it interesting that once our men went to war and started coming home with beards, now lots of guys are growing beards ----

TR and I were laughing about the same thing at SHOT - lots of "operator" facial fuzz on Walter Mitties.

The Reaper
01-24-2014, 15:08
TR and I were laughing about the same thing at SHOT - lots of "operator" facial fuzz on Walter Mitties.

No lie.

At SHOT, I bet 30 percent of the attendees had tactical clothing, if not camo, some sort of web gear, and a beard.

Very few of them looked like vets though.

TR

AngelsSix
01-25-2014, 09:44
Yes sir, same thing here in every gun show lately. Cracks me up.:rolleyes:

Golf1echo
01-26-2014, 23:03
Question: Back in late 80's off of Gruber road I saw an individual in another company with Ranger fatigues and OD Turban, he appeared to me to be a red headed Caucasian w/beard and many of the Rangers seem to know him. The turban looked sikh to me, but never understood the entirety of the appearance, understand there were foreign officers...one of the things one wonders about later?

Dress code for Super Stinky Legs is relaxed:

Max_Tab
01-27-2014, 08:06
Duffle blog at it again.
http://www.duffelblog.com/2014/01/military-juggalo/

MR2
01-27-2014, 11:34
If you like your camo, you can keep your camo.

Max_Tab
01-30-2014, 08:30
Is Someone in here a secret writer for the duffle blog Peregrino? http://www.duffelblog.com/2014/01/marines-religious-freedom/

Mills
02-02-2014, 16:13
Asatru! That way you can have it all. Beard, hair, tattoos, and a honking big axe.

Maybe that should be the standard across the groups.............

Oh wait, I forgot..........we can't even call an ambush and ambush whilst in a combat environment.

Nevermind.

:(

Loadsmasher
02-03-2014, 12:54
What do you call it then? A social engagement.

Unannounced marksmanship demonstration.

Mills
02-03-2014, 21:26
Force Protection Overwatch.

I shit you not.

PRB
02-03-2014, 21:47
Force Protection Overwatch.

I shit you not.

You are freakin kidding me!?

Mills
02-04-2014, 19:04
You are freakin kidding me!?

Nope.