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ddoering
01-12-2014, 08:35
Since when is causing a traffic jam such a big deal? Or is it using power for political payback that is the crime?
If so, what about the IRS scandal, the NSA spying on Americans, Benghazi, etc.....
Or is it only illegal when a Republican does it........
CDRODA396
01-12-2014, 08:45
Or is it only illegal when a Republican does it........
That one...:mad:
Attempting to "punish" a political opponent for not supporting you in such a way (indirectly taking it out on their constituents) makes Christie appear to be little but another vain, petulant, small-minded, political hack to many people and vulnerable to attack by anyone now opposing him or his professed political party.
Richard
Or is it only illegal when a Republican does it........
Clearing he path for Candidate Clinton.
You are not confused but until you are the POTUS you cannot make the argument that you did not know these things were going on. Ignorance can be bliss but only if you are the anointed one.
This IS an Outrage!
It certainly is .... :munchin
Jersey Dirtbag
01-12-2014, 16:30
Since when is causing a traffic jam such a big deal? Or is it using power for political payback that is the crime?
If so, what about the IRS scandal, the NSA spying on Americans, Benghazi, etc.....
Or is it only illegal when a Republican does it........
I'm an NJ resident, and I found Christie vastly less objectionable than any of the previous governors of the state in recent memory. But to impede the use of a public utility for the purpose of exacting revenge against a political opponent and, as a result, punishing the residents of the area and motorists who use the GWB is a completely despicable act. Furthermore, if there is no criminal statute under which those involved can be punished, there certainly ought to be one. My personal opinion is that if he was in on it, he committed a criminal act and should be impeached. If he was not in on it, then he is managing his staff so incompetently that he cannot be entrusted with public office ever again.
The scandals you mentioned are also detestable, and I agree that they have not received the attention they deserve (and that it is likely due to the radical leftism of many media outlets). But that is not relevant to a discussion about the (absolute, not relative) moral/legal legitimacy of closing portions of a major highway for completely frivolous reasons.
Also, for those unfamiliar with the traffic in the area, the GWB is not just another highway bridge. It is the single most trafficked road bridge in the world, being crossed by over 276,000 vehicles per day on average. And, as one might expect, lane closures in the vicinity of this bridge can have dire consequences. (http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/01/fort_lee_woman_died_as_gwb_closures_delayed_medica l_help.html)
The scandals you mentioned are also detestable, and I agree that they have not received the attention they deserve (and that it is likely due to the radical leftism of many media outlets). But that is not relevant to a discussion about the (absolute, not relative) moral/legal legitimacy of closing portions of a major highway for completely frivolous reasons.
I think that it is relevant, if indeed he is guilty of any wrong doing in this matter his feet will be held to the fire by not just the dems but his own party. For the most part republicans and conservatives do a pretty good job of throwing our miscreants under the bus where they belong. But really why should we get our panties in a wad over this frivolous matter when the other side continues to give the POTUS a walk regarding all his frivolous matters?
The number of people identifying as republicans is at an all time record low. Independent has grown the most with 47%. Ill search for the link.
there ya go.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/01/08/record-numbers-are-identifying-as-independents-why-it-doesnt-really-matter/
More people say they are independents than ever before! So?
By Sean Sullivan
January 8 at 1:46 pm
Being an independent is all the rage right now. But it doesn't mean the two major parties are in trouble. Not by a long shot.
New data from Gallup released Wednesday show that 42 percent of Americans, on average, identified as political independents in 2013. It's the highest percentage Gallup has recorded since it started calling the public to gauge their opinions.
As the following chart shows, as independents gained steam during the last year, the percentage of the public identifying as Republicans declined to its lowest point in 25 years.
People identifying as Independents is not because they are no longer Progressive or Conservative, but because they are disgusted with the political parties conduct at the Federal level. ;)
miclo18d
01-12-2014, 19:14
there ya go.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/01/08/record-numbers-are-identifying-as-independents-why-it-doesnt-really-matter/
More people say they are independents than ever before! So?
By Sean Sullivan
January 8 at 1:46 pm
Being an independent is all the rage right now. But it doesn't mean the two major parties are in trouble. Not by a long shot.
New data from Gallup released Wednesday show that 42 percent of Americans, on average, identified as political independents in 2013. It's the highest percentage Gallup has recorded since it started calling the public to gauge their opinions.
As the following chart shows, as independents gained steam during the last year, the percentage of the public identifying as Republicans declined to its lowest point in 25 years.
All I hope for is that those "independents" are actually conservatives running from the RINO's. They certainly have contempt for conservatives, constitutionalists, and libertarians.
Listening to talk radio hosts; it would all but take a word from about 5 of them and there would be a new party.
ddoering
01-12-2014, 19:17
The scandals you mentioned are also detestable, and I agree that they have not received the attention they deserve (and that it is likely due to the radical leftism of many media outlets). But that is not relevant to a discussion about the (absolute, not relative) moral/legal legitimacy of closing portions of a major highway for completely frivolous reasons.
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Any politician that abuses his or her power should be prosecuted but that is not the reality in this country. If you are of the right persuasion or a member of a certain party you get a pass. You can get re-elected even if you molest an intern, smoke crack in front of the FBI or issue Executive Orders that violate the Constitution. Until the playing field is leveled I couldn't care less that a couple of lanes into a communist city got shut down. If I was the Jersey Governor I'd blow the bridge and cut ties to that infected place and everything north of there.
JMHO.
You can label yourself however you want but when you enter that booth there is not going to be a lot of boxes for Independent which means more than likely you will be voting primarily republican or democrat. I just wish that the powers to be within the republican party would grow a pair and lead.
Clearing he path for Candidate Clinton.
I have news for you...........
The path is already clear.
People identifying as Independents is not because they are no longer Progressive or Conservative, but because they are disgusted with the political parties conduct at the Federal level. ;)
Definitely. They use to say you were throwing your vote away by supporting an independent. Seems the other way around these days.
crossed by over 276,000 vehicles per day on average
@ $12.00 per auto
Streck-Fu
01-13-2014, 09:35
Definitely. They use to say you were throwing your vote away by supporting an independent. Seems the other way around these days.
Until there are independent and libertarian candidates along side the R and D on most ballots, the votes are still a waste....Perhaps a compromise for some is to simply vote against all incumbents.... Only then, you may get the devil you don;t know...
Who were the folks that voted for Ross Perot? Who were the voters that gave us Slick Willie? Who had heard of that unmentionable person until we got Slick Willie? Streck I fully get your point.
Until there are independent and libertarian candidates along side the R and D on most ballots, the votes are still a waste....Perhaps a compromise for some is to simply vote against all incumbents.... Only then, you may get the devil you don;t know...
Given the choice of Hillary or Christie, for me, might as well not vote at all. They are one and the same to me.
Given the choice of Hillary or Christie, for me, might as well not vote at all. They are one and the same to me.
From my outside perspective, Christie seems to be the closest thing to an out of the closet "two party, zero choice" candidate.
Jersey Dirtbag
01-13-2014, 14:43
Any politician that abuses his or her power should be prosecuted but that is not the reality in this country. If you are of the right persuasion or a member of a certain party you get a pass. You can get re-elected even if you molest an intern, smoke crack in front of the FBI or issue Executive Orders that violate the Constitution. Until the playing field is leveled I couldn't care less that a couple of lanes into a communist city got shut down. If I was the Jersey Governor I'd blow the bridge and cut ties to that infected place and everything north of there.
JMHO.
Are we discussing media bias, or whether it is right or wrong to inconvenience and possibly endanger hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of one's own citizens in order to exact revenge against a political opponent?
I do not see how New Yorkers' political leanings are relevant to this discussion, unless you think it's legitimate for political leaders to punish those you disagree with by abusing public utilities. Assuming that's the case, are you aware that a significant amount (perhaps even the majority) of GWB traffic is through traffic (i.e., not bound for NYC)?
Jersey Dirtbag
01-13-2014, 14:51
I think that it is relevant, if indeed he is guilty of any wrong doing in this matter his feet will be held to the fire by not just the dems but his own party. For the most part republicans and conservatives do a pretty good job of throwing our miscreants under the bus where they belong. But really why should we get our panties in a wad over this frivolous matter when the other side continues to give the POTUS a walk regarding all his frivolous matters?
You claim it is frivolous, and I disagree. It is either right or wrong. If you believe in the rule of law and holding people accountable for their actions, then I cannot imagine how a politician abusing his power by misappropriating a public utility in order to punish a rival could possibly be frivolous.
I'm not a part of any "side." Christie is less liberal than other NJ politicians, sure. But there is absolutely no indication that he will take a principled stand on any of the serious issues which threaten Western civilization today (limitless third world immigration, for instance). The Democrat/Republican designation is meaningless to me; they are all liberals at heart.
ddoering
01-13-2014, 15:09
Are we discussing media bias, or whether it is right or wrong to inconvenience and possibly endanger hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of one's own citizens in order to exact revenge against a political opponent?
I do not see how New Yorkers' political leanings are relevant to this discussion, unless you think it's legitimate for political leaders to punish those you disagree with by abusing public utilities. Assuming that's the case, are you aware that a significant amount (perhaps even the majority) of GWB traffic is through traffic (i.e., not bound for NYC)?
I'm saying we could cut away the north-east states and the left coast and we would be a better nation for it.
spherojon
01-13-2014, 19:49
Given the choice of Hillary or Christie, for me, might as well not vote at all. They are one and the same to me.
In the famous words of Hillary, "What difference at this point does it make?"
Javadrinker
01-13-2014, 21:17
I'm saying we could cut away the north-east states and the left coast and we would be a better nation for it.
we think along similar lines, and they get to keep Maryland and DC. :lifter
Given the choice of Hillary or Christie, for me, might as well not vote at all. They are one and the same to me.
Christie is the best candidate the Dems could field.
Badger52
01-14-2014, 17:00
Christie is the best candidate the Dems could field.And they get to use the ad-phrase "Jersey political machine" at the same time. What a win-win.
mark46th
01-14-2014, 17:16
"You claim it is frivolous, and I disagree. It is either right or wrong. If you believe in the rule of law and holding people accountable for their actions, then I cannot imagine how a politician abusing his power by misappropriating a public utility in order to punish a rival could possibly be frivolous."
Jersey- When talking about politicians in general and specifically an alleged conservative, nothing in the manual says we should expect them to be moral and law abiding. It would be a joy to find one but as my mother told me when I asked for a new bicycle, "Wish in one hand and shit in the other. Tell me which one fills up first."
The Wolf of StoneWall Street