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Richard
12-18-2013, 07:51
An interesting point of view to ponder - is America at risk of becoming a low-trust society like Italy or Greece?

Richard

Why Americans Are So Angry: America’s Political Divisions Have Deeper Social Consequences
Economist, 7 Dec 2013

BELIEVE the polls, and Americans have decided that they live in Italy: hobbled by dishonest leaders and such endemic corruption that only fools would trust strangers.

Grim findings have been coming thick and fast. Most Americans no longer see President Barack Obama as honest. Half think that he “knowingly lied” to pass his Obamacare health law. Fewer than one in five trust the government in Washington to do what is right all or most of the time. Confidence in Congress has fallen to record lows: in America, as in Italy and Greece, just one in ten voters expresses trust or confidence in the national parliament. Frankly straining credulity, a mammoth, 107-country poll by Transparency International, a corruption monitor, this summer found Americans more likely than Italians to say that they feel that the police, business and the media are all “corrupt or extremely corrupt”.

Americans are also turning on one another. Since 1972 the Chicago-based General Social Survey (GSS) has been asking whether most people can be trusted, or whether “you can’t be too careful” in daily life. Four decades ago Americans were evenly split. Now almost two-thirds say others cannot be trusted, a record high. Recently the Associated Press sought to add context to the GSS data, asking Americans if they placed much trust in folk they met away from home, or in the workers who swiped their payment cards when out shopping. Most said no.

The press is full of headlines about an American crisis of trust. That is too hasty. Lexington spent years in Asia and Europe reporting from countries cursed by official corruption and low trust among strangers. America is not that sort of society.

In genuinely low-trust societies, suspicion blights lives and hobbles economies. In China, even successful urbanites distrust business and government, worrying constantly about the food they buy and the air they breathe. Yet those same successful Chinese have little confidence in the poor. Chinese friends used to urge Lexington never to play Good Samaritan at an accident scene, insisting that anyone rich who stopped to help would be blamed for the victim’s injuries and pursued for compensation.

It is true that America faces grave problems. Congress has had an unproductive year: shutting down the federal government was a notable low point. The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) confessed to subjecting Tea Party and other political groups to special scrutiny, enraging conservatives. But to put such antics in perspective, this year Italy’s richest media tycoon and its ex-prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi, was convicted of tax fraud, of paying an underage prostitute and abuse of power.

In genuinely low-trust countries, tax evasion comes naturally: when those at the top cheat, only dupes follow the rules. But America shows few signs of surging tax evasion. The most recent IRS “tax gap” estimates found no significant decline in the proportion of taxes paid voluntarily and on time. Nor are Americans at soaring risk of being ripped off in daily life. The latest survey of consumer fraud by the Federal Trade Commission found a fall in the prevalence of scams. Payment-card fraud is rising, but only in proportion with overall card use, says FICO, a fraud-management firm: crooked shop staff affect “percents of a percent” of transactions.

None of this justifies complacency. Americans are dangerously angry. But when they voice Italian levels of distrust for authorities, or sweepingly accuse fellow-citizens of being crooks, they are not describing reality. Here is a theory: Americans are instead revealing how deeply they are divided. Dig into headlines about “half of all Americans” thinking this or that, and large partisan or demographic divides lurk. Take that poll finding that half of voters think Mr Obama lied to pass his health plan. Look more closely, and eight in ten Republicans think he fibbed, but fewer than one in four Democrats. As for headline GSS numbers about overall trust between Americans, they conceal a big race gap: for decades around 80% of black Americans have consistently said that most people cannot be trusted. The bulk of the recent decline involves whites becoming less trusting, says Tom Smith, the survey’s director. Explaining that decline is a complex business, but over the same period society has become more impersonal and more economically unequal. Robert Putnam of Harvard University, a pioneer in the study of “social capital”, argues that Americans’ trust in one another has been declining steadily since the “golden” aftermath of the second world war, when civic activity and a sense of community among neighbours were at a peak.

Trust in institutions has risen and fallen over that same post-war period in line with external events, plunging after the Watergate scandal, for instance, and during recessions. Yet something new seems to be happening. Anti-government cynicism is feeding on gulfs in society.

Conservatives think Democrats buy votes with welfare

Consider the crisis around Obamacare. Forget fussing about its useless website: websites can be fixed. The president’s headache is that voters see his plan as welfare for the poor rather than a better way of delivering medical care. That is exposing ugly divisions. Most starkly, a majority of whites think the law will make life worse for them, a National Journal poll found, while most non-whites believe it will help people like them. That in turn tallies with a big change over the previous 15 years: a collapse in support among conservatives for government safety nets.

This is America’s real problem with trust. The country faces a crisis of mutual resentment, masquerading as a general collapse in national morale. Sharply-delineated voter blocs are alarmingly willing to believe that rival groups are up to no good or taking more than their fair share. Polls describing America as a hell-hole of corruption are not to be taken literally. They are a warning. America is not a low-trust society. But it risks becoming one.

http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21591180-americas-political-divisions-have-deeper-social-consequences-why-americans-are-so-angry?frsc=dg%7Cb

Box
12-18-2013, 08:29
Conservatives think Democrats buy votes with welfare


...now why would anyone think that?

Streck-Fu
12-18-2013, 08:37
The president’s headache is that voters see his plan as welfare for the poor rather than a better way of delivering medical care. That is exposing ugly divisions.

:(

If only those people causing the ugly division understood that when the President said 30 times that "If you like your plan, you can keep. Period" he meant only if your plan was good enough as determined by the Congressional staff making this up.....Just shut-up and comply with your leader's demands.....

Sharply-delineated voter blocs are alarmingly willing to believe that rival groups are up to no good or taking more than their fair share.

So, the ACA passing, literally, along party lines and causing massive increases in health insurance costs directly to the purchaser, and the purchasing of that insurance now required by said law, is not the the perfect example of one voter block taking from another?

It takes gall to write that article with a straight face....

The Reaper
12-18-2013, 08:44
Makers vs. Takers.

TR

Dusty
12-18-2013, 09:17
Doop

Dusty
12-18-2013, 09:19
Liberal haters gonna hate.

sinjefe
12-18-2013, 09:24
Recent budget deal a perfect example. Passed on the backs of military retirees and veterans. The Senate wouldn't even consider closing a tax loophole used by illegal aliens instead of cutting military retirees pensions.

That is what happens when you are a tiny voting block. They don't give a flying f---.

The Storm is coming.
:mad:

Oldrotorhead
12-18-2013, 10:49
I haven't trusted the Federal Government since LBJ made buying votes an institution. . I have a lot of trouble even being civil to Liberals and takers. I am more and more convinced that it is time for two nations to replace this one . :mad:

Team Sergeant
12-18-2013, 11:09
America At Risk Of Becoming Low-Trust Society?

At risk? I think we crossed that line in 2008 when the Teleprompter Reader (and pathological liar) of the United States took office.

Lan
12-18-2013, 11:48
Recent budget deal a perfect example. Passed on the backs of military retirees and veterans. The Senate wouldn't even consider closing a tax loophole used by illegal aliens instead of cutting military retirees pensions.

That is what happens when you are a tiny voting block. They don't give a flying f---.

The Storm is coming.
:mad:

I hear a lot of talk about a storm coming. Why do we protect those who shit on the Constitution? What's the breaking point?

MR2
12-18-2013, 12:40
I hear a lot of talk about a storm coming. Why do we protect those who shit on the Constitution? What's the breaking point?

Yorktown is coming!

pcfixer
12-18-2013, 13:05
Recent budget deal a perfect example. Passed on the backs of military retirees and veterans. The Senate wouldn't even consider closing a tax loophole used by illegal aliens instead of cutting military retirees pensions.

That is what happens when you are a tiny voting block. They don't give a flying f---.

The Storm is coming.
:mad:

yep. I agree.
The central bank also said that it would maintain its plan to keep short-term rates at record lows at least until unemployment reaches 6.5 percent

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/19/federal-reserve-bond-buying_n_3467097.html

What will happen when the market is flooded with cheap US bonds?

TOMAHAWK9521
12-18-2013, 13:06
Makers vs. Takers.

TR

I prefer Makers vs. Parasites

dollarbill
12-18-2013, 13:44
http://www.foxbusiness.com/economy-policy/2013/12/17/strong-arm-policies-leave-venezuela-teetering-on-brink-collapse/

At the rate we are heading in now with our military veterans constantly being attacked by our on government, the constant lies that come out of DC, government programs being rammed down the throats of Americans ( and this list can go on an on.) One thing can be said. We have not learned from our mistakes or the mistakes of other countries.
IMO, we are about an eye blink from turning into a Venezuela.