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Pete
11-23-2013, 06:18
China establishes 'air-defence zone' over East China Sea

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25062525

"China has demarcated an "air-defence identification zone" over an area of the East China Sea, covering islands that are also claimed by Japan.

China's Defence Ministry said aircraft entering the zone must obey its rules or face "emergency defensive measures"........"

&

"...Taiwan, which also claims the Diaoyu/Senkaku islands, expressed regret at the move and promised that the military would take measure to protect national security......"

scooter
11-23-2013, 10:22
Of all the world events in the past 20 years, this is the one most likely to result in a major war that drags the US into it.

Very, very dangerous.

BrokenSwitch
11-24-2013, 06:32
Sounds like China wants to draw a new "Line of Death (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_in_the_Gulf_of_Sidra_(1986))."

Perhaps the US should remove all restrictions placed on Japan's military establishment by the treaty that ended WWII?

frostfire
11-27-2013, 13:51
Here we go Air-Sea Battle. Take out those 4CISR
Time to see ROI from those $$$$ F22, F35, usw :munchin

Gutes Lesen: http://www.cfr.org/world/armed-clash-south-china-sea/p27883

mojaveman
11-28-2013, 00:33
U.S. B-52 bombers defied China's new claimed airspace by flying through it.

This I like.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/11/26/japan-china-senkaku-islands/3746771/U.S.

MR2
11-30-2013, 09:39
China Playing Wrong Hand in Territorial Dispute (http://live.wsj.com/video/china-playing-wrong-hand-in-territorial-dispute/EA1504BA-834E-4645-B1AC-57FF1ECA6A97.html?mod=trending_now_video_5#!EA1504 BA-834E-4645-B1AC-57FF1ECA6A97)

China's move to enforce an air-defense zone has several countries in the region concerned. The WSJ's Deborah Kan speaks to Scott Harold of RAND Corp., a global think tank, on why China may be playing the wrong hand in its play for islands in the East China Sea.

Interesting analysis.

longrange1947
11-30-2013, 12:48
While they did nothing with the B52s, they are now warning commercial airliners to not trespass. WOW, big braves bastards are they not. This is nothing more than an economic activity. My bet is they are testing the waters to see what they can get away with. Mr K in Russia did the same thing to a young unsure President Kennedy and we almost went to war. Not good.

MR2
11-30-2013, 14:11
Of all the world events in the past 20 years, this is the one most likely to result in a major war that drags the US into it.

Very, very dangerous.

I still agree.

SF_BHT
11-30-2013, 15:24
While they did nothing with the B52s, they are now warning commercial airliners to not trespass. WOW, big braves bastards are they not. This is nothing more than an economic activity. My bet is they are testing the waters to see what they can get away with. Mr K in Russia did the same thing to a young unsure President Kennedy and we almost went to war. Not good.

Yes but we do not have a Kennedy in the White House.......

He will probaly bend over and kiss their ass and say he is sorry.......

longrange1947
11-30-2013, 15:39
Yes but we do not have a Kennedy in the White House.......

He will probably bend over and kiss their ass and say he is sorry.......

Yes, that is the most likely course of events, and then he will declare peace in our time.

longrange1947
12-02-2013, 12:58
The left tends to rewrite history to their liking and thus tend to relive it by not learning the pertinent facts and avoiding the pit falls. Kinda like that saying. :munchin

Richard
12-02-2013, 13:26
Of all the world events in the past 20 years, this is the one most likely to result in a major war that drags the US into it.

Very, very dangerous.

Not another "Mother of all Battles!!!" This is gettin' olde.

Richard

mark46th
12-02-2013, 13:41
Chinese society is Capitalistic, Chinese government is Communist. The communist governement still thinks they need to expand communism. Whatever the reason they believe China needs to spread its power, they are delusional. They should let the capitalists do what they do. The communists should collect their share, stay out of the way and live well. But, as we have experienced over the last 5 years in this country, a delusional idealist is a very dangerous thing...

scooter
12-02-2013, 16:38
Not another "Mother of all Battles!!!" This is gettin' olde.

Richard

Not following you there.

mojaveman
12-02-2013, 18:18
The U.S. Navy's first two advanced P-8A Poseiden patrol aircraft have arrived in Japan, U.S. military officials said on Monday, helping to upgrade America's ability to hunt submarines and other vesels in seas close to China as tension in the region mounts.

http://news.yahoo.com/u-sends-submarine-hunting-jets-japan-amid-east-064511364--finance.html

mark46th
12-03-2013, 10:26
Scooter- It's a reference to Sadaam's statement just before we rolled into Baghdad.

scooter
12-03-2013, 14:28
No no, got that..... I wasn't sure of he was drawing a direct comparison between Saddam in '91 and China today.

Saddam miscalculated on the world's reaction, and his blustering afterwards about the "Mother of all Battles" was something he couldn't back up. On a side note, I have a "Mother of All Battles Victory Medal" I acquired in Iraq, it's a nice souvenir.

China may be miscalculating, and so many wars have started from miscalculations and failed expectations of what the other guy would do in a given situation that I could never list them here. However, there hasn't been a major, large scale naval engagement since 1945. So much has changed in the technologies surrounding Naval warfare and US naval institutional practices that a major naval battle in the south china sea might not go as planned. Almost none of our current technologies that the Navy relies on have been battle proven against a near-peer competitor since their adoption. Think of WWI, when 19th century tactics were mixed with rapid fire breech loading artillery and machine guns. Bad.

I just think that the idea that we are pre-ordained to come out smiling from a scuffle with the PLN isn't a sure fire thing. How do you think a commando raid on airbases in Korea or Okinawa would look turn out? There are so many ways for this thing to escalate and get out of hand, and the Chinese military has openly talked of needing to defeat us in open battle in order for China to take its proper place on the world stage. I have seen dickheads in dresses almost wipe out prepared US military defenses. Never underestimate the other guys.

Richard
12-04-2013, 14:29
We're tracking it all...but it just might get ugly if Santa crosses the PRC's ADIZ.

http://www.noradsanta.org/

Richard

MAB32
12-06-2013, 15:48
For the past 3 almost 4 years now, Vietnam has wanted even more broader relations with us. They too are worried about China's Bi-Polar government. I'm thinking that if the Phillipines want us back in their country as rumors persist, then Vietnam will want some sort of "in-country" status with us also.

MR2
01-17-2014, 12:37
Ominous warning: Admiral concedes U.S. losing dominance to China (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/16/us-military-dominance-pacific-decline-says-top-adm/)

“Our historic dominance that most of us in this room have enjoyed is diminishing, no question,” Adm. Locklear, chief of U.S. Pacific Command, said Wednesday at a naval conference in Virginia.

Although Adm. Locklear said it is obvious that Chinese military power is growing, he suggested that it is unclear whether China will seek to be a hard adversary to the U.S. in the long term, so Washington should be working overtime on steering Beijing toward a cooperative security posture.