Team Sergeant
11-15-2013, 13:02
Joel Eric Lisson Special Forces Fraud and Liar
Joel Eric Lisson Special Forces Fraud and Liar didn't ever think the real Green Berets would ever catch up with you now did you?
Joel Lisson Special Forces Fraud and Liar we are in possession of your military records. You know, the ones that show your were a 91C and that you got out of the service as a SP/4.
Joel Eric Lisson Special Forces Fraud and Liar we know you've been lying to people out in Bend, Oregon telling them you were a Special Forces Medic. Now we get to tell the world how much of a bottom feeding liar and scumbag you really are.......
Oh and this scumbag actually had the nerve to place his name on a very fake Special Forces Certificate.
And he awarded himself a very fake "5th Special Forces Group Soldier of the Year" award.
Fake Gabriel Team award from the Special Warfare Center. And a fake Green Beret with 5th Group flash.
Joel Eric Lisson also sports a very fake shadow box full of fake medals including fake Bronze Star, Fake Purple Heart, Fake Combat Infantryman's Badge, and Fake Military Free Fall Wings.
Joel Lisson this is not fake, now your name will live on here forever in our real "Hall of Shame" for the world to see. Enjoy your new found fame.
Damn, Joel Eric Lisson went all out to create a fake image of being Special Forces. The engraved trophy really takes the cake. He apparently spent a considerable amount of time and trouble on those replicas.
How did this bottom feeder turn up in your sights?
Team Sergeant
11-15-2013, 13:33
Damn, Joel Eric Lisson went all out to create a fake image of being Special Forces. The engraved trophy really takes the cake. He apparently spent a considerable amount of time and trouble on those replicas.
How did this bottom feeder turn up in your sights?
Like 99% of them do......I receive an email that says:
"Can you tell me if this guy was really in Special Forces?"
Wow good job TS. I'm sure he wont be the last.
I just don't get it.....:confused:
Team Sergeant
11-15-2013, 14:02
His "shadow box" has quite the array of medals, but that Special Forces Certificate, he could have done a lot better...... (We should sell fake Special Forces certificates I bet we'd make a killing!)
Joel Eric Lisson Special Forces Fraud and Liar your "Green Beret" days are over.....
The Reaper
11-15-2013, 14:12
His "shadow box" has quite the array of medals...
Yeah, except that SPC Joel Lisson has an Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal higher than the MSM and ARCOM.
What an idiot and a poser. :rolleyes:
TR
Team Sergeant
11-15-2013, 14:22
Yeah, except that SPC Joel Lisson has an Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal higher than the MSM and ARCOM.
What an idiot and a poser. :rolleyes:
TR
It's tough being a fraud isn't it Joel Lisson Special Forces Fraud and Liar.
I guess it took it seriously when somebody told him he should "Go faux it!" :rolleyes:
The Reaper
11-15-2013, 15:01
I guess the Bronze Star and Purple Heart didn't even rate a place on SPC Joel E. Lisson's rack. :rolleyes:
TR
TrapperFrank
11-16-2013, 03:53
I like the MSM in his shadow box. Spent almost 27 years in either the national guard, active army or army reserve and never saw anyone lower than an E7 get an MSM.
Team Sergeant
11-16-2013, 16:36
Joel Eric Lisson Special Forces Fraud and Liar
I'm not going to name the outfit that had Joel Lisson on their website "yesterday" but as of today they have removed him and his wilderness courses from their website.
Well done gents, you got the message.
Joel Eric Lisson Fraud and Liar now you know what happens when you are caught being a military/SF fraud.
http://guardianofvalor.com/joel-eric-lisson-special-forces-fraud-fake-survival-skill-instructor/
Team Sergeant
11-19-2013, 18:39
Joel Eric Lisson Special Forces Fraud and Liar has perpetrated this fraud for such a long time that some reading this thread cannot believe what we here on Professionalsoldiers.com are saying about him is true. (Yeah I know...)
If you are reading this and have any doubts as to validity of our claims please feel free to do your own records check on the fraud known as Joel Lisson. And while you're at it think about this, if we/I were wrong the bottom feeding fraud Joel Lisson would/could sue me into oblivion for what I've posted.
One last time Joel Eric Lisson is a fraud and never spent a day in the US Army Special Forces aka the Green Berets and never served in the 5th Special Forces Group. He was never wounded, he was never in a fire fight and he was never on a classified mission. And judging from his actual military records I'm 99.99%sure he never even held a clearance. His records also indicate he never left US soil.
If called upon I will enjoy testifying against Joel Lisson for his fraud, I've done it before and helped put one Special Forces fraud in a federal prison for two years. I've no sympathy for bottom feeding scumbags such as Joel Lisson. I wish there was a reality show filming the scumbag the same day we posted him in our Hall of Shame..... would have been some very amusing television I'm sure.
Team Sergeant
Team Sergeant
12-04-2013, 15:45
Joel Lisson of Bend Oregon I just heard is moving.....
That's got to suck, you scam people for decades and BAM they all find out at the same time you're a complete fraud.
Joel Lisson, we will track you and if we find out you're teaching anything to do with weapons tactics or outdoor survival we will inform the public where you live and that you have zero credentials. Joel Lisson you've lied to enough people regarding your weapons training and outdoor survival training, it ends now.
Go ahead and move Joel Lisson we will find you again.
Team Sergeant
12-16-2013, 14:25
And this is how it ends for Special Forces Frauds like Joel Lisson. I like the part where a unidentified female answers the door and give the reporter Lisson's lawyers card......
Joel Lisson, you're a liar, a fraud and a spineless botton feeding coward. Enjoy your holidays......:munchin
Military record questioned
Bend businessman says partner’s claims are untrue
By Dylan J. Darling / The Bulletin / @DylanJDarling
Published Dec 16, 2013 at 12:01AM
A Bend-based tactical training company severed ties with a co-owner recently after the founder said he learned his business partner lied about his military service.
Joel Lisson, 57, was co-owner and a wilderness survival instructor at Bend-based REACT Training Systems. Shawn Jewell, the company’s founder and other co-owner, said Lisson had earned his status as a trainer due to his tales of military experience in the elite Special Forces of the U.S. Army — the Green Berets.
“This concept that he was a fake or a fraud never entered my mind,” said Jewell, 52.
Lisson and Jewell met in 2006, and a mutual friend told Jewell of Lisson’s storied past, Jewell said. Along with his stories about his time and wounds as a Green Beret, Jewell said Lisson had a shadowbox full of medals — including a Purple Heart, Bronze Star and Combat Infantry Badge. There was also a Special Forces certificate, a green beret and a trophy with an inscription saying he’d been “Soldier of the Year 1983” for the 5th Special Forces Group.
Now Jewell says he is sure the stories weren’t true, and he believes Lisson hadn’t earned the awards.
“We should have, in retrospect, looked more deeply, but we didn’t,” Jewell said.
Lisson didn’t come to the door of his Bend home when The Bulletin stopped by last week. Instead a woman with a dog answered. After checking with Lisson about an interview request, she passed a card for Christopher Heaps, a Bend attorney, and said to talk to him.
Asked about the questions surrounding his client’s military service record, Heaps said, “We don’t have any comment on it.”
Heaps also said Lisson was not interested in speaking with the newspaper.
If Lisson is indeed a fraud, he wouldn’t be the first in Central Oregon to conjure up phony military exploits. Former U.S. Rep. Wes Cooley, R-Powell Butte, didn’t run for re-election in 1996 after questions arose about his claim in the voter guide that he served in the Special Forces during the Korean War. The next year he pleaded guilty to lying about his military record in Marion County Circuit Court. He was fined and sentenced to 100 hours of community service.
In 1999 the Oregon National Guard didn’t renew the contract of Keith Bonner, who was the director of the Oregon Youth ChalleNGe Program near Bend, after veterans groups questioned Bonner representing himself as a former Navy SEAL. The groups said they found documentation that Bonner hadn’t been a SEAL despite his wearing a uniform with a SEAL insignia at events for the military-structured youth program.
Questionable past
Questions about Lisson started earlier this fall, as REACT began construction on a training center about 30 miles east of Bend off state Highway 27. The acronym in the company’s name stands for “Reality Environment Applied Combat Tactics,” and the company offers hand-to-hand, firearm and other training to local, state and federal agencies, as well as citizens.
“Everything we do is based on our credentials,” Jewell said.
Lisson was an instructor for REACT but rarely led classes beyond the basics, Jewell said. He’d often sit out instruction, Jewell said, citing pain from his wounds suffered while with the Special Forces.
Jewell said Lisson didn’t obtain some of the permits he said he would for buildings on the complex. It made him wonder about Lisson and his word.
For Jewell’s daughter, Crystal Jewell, 27, the permit issue added to the skepticism she had about her dad’s business partner, whom she started working with in August. She joined her father’s company to be a trainer about a year and a half ago and started working at the training facility in August. Crystal Jewell served in the Air Force in 2006 and 2007. She said things she learned in the military about how to display awards made her suspect Lisson was a fake. And she thought the combination of trainings and experience he claimed didn’t make sense.
“Just certain things he was saying just wasn’t adding up,” she said, so she looked online and found websites where people exposed military-valor impostors.
The Jewells got in touch with retired Master Sgt. Jeff “J.D.” Hinton, who served in the Special Forces. Hinton runs a website called professionalsoldiers.com.
“They wanted to find out if basically what he was telling was true,” said Hinton, who lives in Arizona.
Hinton said he was in the 5th Special Forces Group, the same group Shawn Jewell said Lisson claims to have been part of when in the Army, and he served around the same time Lisson would have in the 1980s. But Hinton doesn’t remember Lisson being one of his fellow soldiers.
Based in Fort Campbell in Kentucky, the 5th Special Forces Group currently has a force of about 2,000 people, and it doesn’t keep a public running list of who has served, said Maj. Brandon Bissell, of the group. He said he didn’t have anything to verify whether Lisson was ever in the 5th Special Forces Group.
“That is not something that we are going to be able to confirm,” he said.
Lisson did serve in the U.S. Army, Hinton said, just not with the Green Berets. Hinton contacted Mary Schantag, chairwoman of the board for FakeWarriors.com, to uncover what they say is Lisson’s real military background. Schantag, of Missouri, has been researching military service records for 24 years. It began as a project with her late husband, Chuck Schantag, to document the experiences of prisoners of war. As they did so, they learned there were people claiming to be POWs who weren’t, so she now operates two networks, one to tell true POW stories and one to expose liars. Along the way, Schantag has become adept at acquiring and reviewing military service records.
Schantag found records that show Lisson was in active duty from Nov. 4, 1980, to Nov. 2, 1983, and then went into the reserves from Nov. 3, 1983, until Nov. 3, 1986. He enlisted at Fort Leonard Wood in Missouri, started his training there and then spent nearly three months training at Fort Sam Houston in Texas before going to Hawaii, according to the records. In Hawaii, he was stationed at Tripler Army Medical Center in Honolulu, where he was trained and then worked as a patient-care specialist. His active service ended at Tripler, and then he was listed as drill sergeant while in the reserves.
Decorations and awards for Lisson in the records provided by Schantag are an Army Service Ribbon, Sharpshooter Badge, Army Reserve Components Achievement Medal and Armed Forces Reserve Medal. There is no mention of a Purple Heart, Bronze Star or Combat Infantry Badge. The records also don’t reference the Special Forces or a Soldier of the Year award.
The Bulletin has also submitted a request to the National Personnel Records Center in Missouri for Lisson’s records, but it will likely be weeks before there is a response from the agency.
Stolen Valor
Stories of people claiming more military experience or accolades than they actually have are not new to Hinton, Schantag or Doug Sterner, a Vietnam veteran and author of “Restoring Valor,” a book set to be released in February.
Sterner and his wife, Pam Sterner, have crusaded for years against people claiming to have earned military honors that they haven’t. Doug Sterner said Pam Sterner helped with the paperwork for the Stolen Valor Act of 2012 and the follow-up Stolen Valor Act of 2013, which became law in June. The Stolen Valor Act of 2012 was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court, which ruled the original law violated the First Amendment’s protection of free speech. The revised law focused on people using claims of military accolades to gain money, property or other tangible benefit.
“It is a common and prevalent problem, and we felt it needed to be addressed,” Doug Sterner said.
Sterner was not familiar with Lisson but said he and his wife had investigated similar situations of people potentially using claims of military experience and honors to earn recognition, money and jobs.
While glad the Stolen Valor Act of 2013 became law, Schantag said federal prosecutors aren’t using it.
“Charges right now are very, very rare,” she said.
Court records show there is not a federal case against Lisson.
Reputation rebuild
Shawn Jewell, Lisson’s former business partner, has distanced himself from Lisson in what he said is an effort to save his reputation and the business.
On REACT’s website, Jewell posted this message:
“Joel E. Lisson is no longer connected in any way to REACT Training Systems as of Oct. 2013. All business agreements, teaching credentials, certifications or services rendered by Mr. Lisson have been removed and are no longer associated in any way to REACT. We apologize for any inconvenience, but due to fraudulent credentials and violations of REACT policies by the actions of Mr. Lisson, REACT has severed its relationship with and disavows all actions associated with Mr. Lisson. Please do not hesitate to contact us with any concerns or questions.”
Jewell said he’s also called and met with clients to personally apologize.
“My goal is to pick up the pieces,” Jewell said.
He said he hasn’t talked to Lisson, although he’s tried.
“We just want to move forward,” Jewell said. “Move on.”
— Reporter: 541-617-7812, ddarling@bendbulletin.com.
http://www.bendbulletin.com/home/1535013-151/military-record-questioned#
and the pain has just started....
wow.... :munchin
Team Sergeant
12-17-2013, 11:03
You know Joel Lisson has broken new ground as far as Green Beret frauds go.....
We've seen the fake medals before, Joel Lisson's fake Bronze Star, fake MSM, fake Purple Heart, fake MFF wings and fake CIB.
We've also seen the fake Special Forces certificates, and Joel Lisson's was a very bad fake.
And let's not forget the fake green beret in the picture sporting the 5th Group patch.
But the fake plaque presented by the Special Warfare Center and the very fake 1983 5th Group "Soldier of the Year" statue is above and beyond! (And I thought I was the 5th Gp's 1983 Soldier of the Year!!! ;))
Joel Lisson has taken the Green Beret frauds to a whole new level. Except for his poor choice in Special Forces certificates he might have had a chance to go a few more years as a con artist, a liar and a bottom feeding scumbag.
Had I taken any classes from this guy I'd now be suing him for fraud and get my money back....... small claims court works just fine too....:munchin
It is hoped the Jewell family and R.E.A.C.T. will swiftly recover and move forward from this all too often form of fraud and personal betrayal.
And that the Department of Justice will look hard at bringing charges against Mr. Lisson under the 2013 Stolen Valor Act. It would appear he (Lisson) was hired and then compensated in direct relation to his claims of possessing a very specific military background and training. Certainly the marketing and advertising of R.E.A.C.T. courses reflected this level of experience and expertise was available to students attending such courses.
It is not all that difficult for a DOJ attorney to review the evidence and file a case. Even if Mr. Lisson were to relocate or even assume a false identity at least a case would be open and a federal warrant filed.
We can change alot of things about us but we can't change our fingerprints.
This character will show up again somewhere. They always do.:munchin
I was just over in Bend, Oregon a few weeks ago.
Chatting with a friend who owns a gun store there.
He told me a relative of Lisson's came by the store after the story broke in Central Oregon.
The guy was furious. Said he'd been listening to Lisson's tall tales for years and believed everything.
Joel-Boy is believed to still be hanging around but maintaining very, very low profile.
Needless to say he's not welcome at my buddy's store.