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Obama wants Marines to wear "girly" hat
http://nypost.com/2013/10/23/obama-wants-marines-to-wear-girly-hats/
"A change to the Marine Corps’ uniform hats could take the hard-nosed Leathernecks from the Halls of Montezuma to the shops of Christopher Street.
Thanks to a plan by President Obama to create a “unisex” look for the Corps, officials are on the verge of swapping out the Marines’ iconic caps with a new hat that some have derided as so “girly” that they would make the French blush......"
First I don't think the President it "telling" anybody.
Second I think the hat does look a little strange.
Third - Tell Dan Daly he's wearing a girly cap...
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/DanielDaly.jpg&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Daly&h=2837&w=2264&sz=1809&tbnid=3dh7Tw2wfZnXvM:&tbnh=102&tbnw=81&zoom=1&usg=__Noi8Fz8DSad7_5Q10c_Wnyu1bXk=&docid=etcswxyq-VGy7M&sa=X&ei=ORFpUtu9Cs6OkAfsu4F4&ved=0CDwQ9QEwBQ
You would think there were more important matters to deal with than f-ing with hats.
You would think there were more important matters to deal with than f-ing with hats.
No, when a house is on fire you must be concerned with the drapes and whether they match the kitchen sink.
Go Devil
10-24-2013, 08:01
Nothing more than a press to fill the military ranks with spineless fucks willing to follow the dicttates of some future "Dear Leader".
Dilute THE historic bastion of true men with malingering space takers.
Cause future men to abhor the institution.
Nothing more than a press to fill the military ranks with spineless fucks willing to follow the dicttates of some future "Dear Leader".
Dilute THE historic bastion of true men with malingering space takers.
Cause future men to abhor the institution.
Really?
1. I doubt the POTUS gives two hoots or a holler about what hat the Marines choose to wear.
2. The Marines wore a similar hat at the turn of the 20th Century (attchd pic USMC uniforms 1899). I wonder what those Marines would think of your "informed" opinion.
3. This looks like a move by the Marines to return to some of its historical roots as was done by the Army's recent change in its dress uniforms.
4. Meh.
MOO.
Richard
Go Devil
10-24-2013, 08:36
Really?
1. I doubt the POTUS gives two hoots or a holler about what hat the Marines choose to wear.
2. The Marines wore a similar hat at the turn of the 20th Century (attchd pic USMC uniforms 1899). I wonder what those Marines would think of your "informed" opinion.
3. This looks like a move by the Marines to return to some of its historical roots as was done by the Army's recent change in its dress uniforms.
4. Meh.
MOO.
Richard
Really.
http://www.military.com/topics/gays-in-military
Really.
http://www.military.com/topics/gays-in-military
Really? So you're implying it's a "gays in the military" agenda pushing for a change to the USMC hats?
Hunh.
Richard
Really?
....
3. This looks like a move by the Marines to return to some of its historical roots as was done by the Army's recent change in its dress uniforms.
4. Meh.
I guess they didn't click on the link I posted to the picture of Dan Daly.
After skimming SGM Daly's bio...I'd say the SGM would fight with anything that he was issued and woe be unto anyone in his way.
Trapper John
10-24-2013, 09:10
C'mon guys. It's not the hat that's important, it's the head that wears it! :rolleyes:
Go Devil
10-24-2013, 09:37
Really? So you're implying it's a "gays in the military" agenda pushing for a change to the USMC hats?
Hunh.
Richard
Really.
Richard, my point is, is that there appears to be a continual forward action to fundamentally change historically martial, and moral fraternities into limp, middle of the road, androgynistic, pop culture.
The action is not about the hat, it's about rewarding participation.
Similar to taking the Ranger's Black Beret and passing it out Army wide as a minimum standard accomplishment.
Totems or icons that represent success or valor are often the first draw of young men entering service.
Denigrating these standards will push away the next generation of those capable of attaining those time honored standards.
Or, Richard, maybe it's ok for me to wear a Long Tab from the PX because I went to Selection and failed?
OOOV
Really.
Richard, my point is, is that there appears to be a continual forward action to fundamentally change historically martial, and moral fraternities into limp, middle of the road, androgynistic, pop culture.
The action is not about the hat, it's about rewarding participation.
Similar to taking the Ranger's Black Beret and passing it out Army wide as a minimum standard accomplishment.
Totems or icons that represent success or valor are often the first draw of young men entering service.
Denigrating these standards will push away the next generation of those capable of attaining those time honored standards.
Or, Richard, maybe it's ok for me to wear a Long Tab from the PX because I went to Selection and failed?
OOOV
Wondering how you are pounding all that into calling the "Dan Daly" cap 'girly'?
Going back to a historic cap as guidence for updating the uniform.......
Go Devil
10-24-2013, 10:14
Wondering how you are pounding all that into calling the "Dan Daly" cap 'girly'?
Going back to a historic cap as guidence for updating the uniform.......
“The Marine Corps is being ‘encouraged’ by DoD to standardize on a unisex/universal dress and service cap,” Marine brass noted in an internal memo obtained by The Post.
The above, from the article, and too many anthropological studies.
“The Marine Corps is being ‘encouraged’ by DoD to standardize on a unisex/universal dress and service cap,” Marine brass noted in an internal memo obtained by The Post.
The above, from the article, and too many anthropological studies.
So if the article was worded differnt it could be said that all females will be forced to wear the manly Dan Daly cap?
Go Devil
10-24-2013, 10:45
So if the article was worded differnt it could be said that all females will be forced to wear the manly Dan Daly cap?
From the article,
Thanks to a plan by President Obama to create a “unisex” look for the Corps.....
Key phrase being "a unisex look for the Corps".
I would prefer "Continue to aspire to be like Dan Daly, who was not unisex nor will ever be. "
Personally, I don't like it. I like our current ones better, but, that is simply my opinion.
I have a much larger issue with the money that is being spent on something that is truly useless to our war-fighting capabilities, but hey, who is keeping track.
Snaquebite
10-24-2013, 10:55
Could it be that the idea was really Michelle's....She is such a fashion statement in her own right....:D
Michelle: Honey, why do the female Marines guards have to wear a different hat?
Obozo: Not sure baby, but I'll fix it. You know I'm good at fixing stuff.
mojaveman
10-24-2013, 11:46
Looking at both styles of headgear the larger ones that the males wear look like they offer more protection from the sun and rain. Larger hats also look more authoritative and commanding.
Make the split tails start wearing the larger hats.
Yes, it is a throw back to an earlier style worn by Dan Daley.
Yes, it does look odd and outdated, like a shako.
Yes, O is most certainly clueless in regard to this move,in addition to "healthcare deform."
No, I don't like the Dan Daley hat.
No, I don't know if it comes threaded to the right or left to screw on and unscrew off of Jarheads.
Yes, once a Jarhead, always a Jarhead.
Yes, I'm glad I'll never have to wear one.
These guys wear them and I doubt if they consider themselves "Girly Men."
The hat does not make the soldier.
26639
Why don't they just issue Mason jar lids and be done with it...
ghp95134
10-24-2013, 14:09
Larger hats also look more authoritative and commanding.
Ahhhhh ..... that explains a lot:
mojaveman
10-24-2013, 14:31
Ahhhhh ..... that explains a lot
The bigger the head the bigger the hat?
From the article,
Thanks to a plan by President Obama to create a “unisex” look for the Corps.....
Key phrase being "a unisex look for the Corps".
I would prefer "Continue to aspire to be like Dan Daly, who was not unisex nor will ever be. "
So to Pete's point, you object to the way the article was written.
MOO, I will not think less of Marines whichever hat they don. I prefer the larger one as I am accustomed to it and I am a creature of habit. Unisex gear does not equate to effeminate to me. Usually, it just makes women look more butch. :rolleyes:
The Reaper
10-24-2013, 15:59
I just want to know when the POTUS got into the uniform design mission, other than his own?
Is this really in his job description (or Moochelle's)?
TR
Oldrotorhead
10-24-2013, 17:04
Doh-bama to Carney.
"What should we talk about this week?"
Carney to Doh
" Anything but the Healtn Care roll out, Fast and Reckless, or Benghazi. Well add to the list how much your vacations cost, and maybe unemplpyment oh wait don't mention the deficet either!"
Doh-bama
"Well whats left?"
Carney to the Big Zero
"Shit I don't know. Why don't you have Michelle design a new hat for those nasty Marines?"
And Doh back at him with.
"Good idea she can make something that doesn't make me look so gay on my girl's bike with my mom jeans. Don't tell anyone I'm giving you a raise!":munchin
Badger52
10-24-2013, 17:22
Doh-bama to Carney.
"What should we talk about this week?"
Carney to Doh
" Anything but the Healtn Care roll out, Fast and Reckless, or Benghazi. Well add to the list how much your vacations cost, and maybe unemplpyment oh wait don't mention the deficet either!"
Doh-bama
"Well whats left?"
Carney to the Big Zero
"Shit I don't know. Why don't you have Michelle desigh a new hat for those nasty Marines?"
And Doh back at him with.
"Good idea she can make something that doesn't make me look so gay on my girl's bike with my mom jeans. Don't tell anyone I'm giving you a raise!":munchinDo you do a regular cartoon in your other life? 'Bout the right number of frames. Nice work sir. :D
I know some Marines and quite a few asked if they could borrow an Army term. Shinseki'd; as in, "We've been..."
Fuck it. Put the women in the mens uniform. Problem solved. Now, how about some jobs?
ddoering
10-24-2013, 17:44
C'mon guys. It's not the hat that's important, it's the head that wears it! :rolleyes:
Didn't the Army go thru angst over giving everyone a beret a couple of years ago?
Thanks to a plan by President Obama to create a “unisex” look for the Corps...
“The Marine Corps is being ‘encouraged’ by DoD to standardize on a unisex/universal dress and service cap,” Marine brass noted in an internal memo obtained by The Post.
Both quotes from the NY Post - so which is it? :confused:
Didn't the Army go thru angst over giving everyone a beret a couple of years ago?
To symbolize The Army's commitment to transforming itself into the Objective Force, The Army will adopt the black beret for wear Army-wide. It is not about increasing recruiting; we achieved our recruiting target of 180,000 recruits last year--without a beret. It is not about retention; for the second year in a row, we exceeded our reenlistment goal by a wide margin--without a beret. It is not about morale; Soldiers are ready today to go into harm's way. It is about our excellence as Soldiers, our unity as a force, and our values as an institution.
Effective 14 June 2001, the first Army birthday in the new millennium, the black beret will become standard wear in The Army--Active and Reserve Components.
- Shinseki
Yep - but that one was in 2001 and Bush's fault. :rolleyes:
Richard
The Reaper
10-24-2013, 18:11
McPeake did it to the Air Force in the early '90s.
I want to see the POTUS wear the new hat for a while when he goes out.
Then we can call it an ass hat!
TR
2018commo
10-24-2013, 19:00
Been a while since a POTUS was involved in a unit's headgear...:munchin
Been a while since a POTUS was involved in a unit's headgear...:munchin
BA-BOOM! :lifter
Go Devil
10-25-2013, 04:05
Apparently, the first source was agitprop.
http://www.stripes.com/news/us/marines-shoot-down-internet-story-on-obama-s-alleged-push-for-girly-hats-1.248963
Apparently, the first source was agitprop.
http://www.stripes.com/news/us/marines-shoot-down-internet-story-on-obama-s-alleged-push-for-girly-hats-1.248963
This sounds more like what reality might be on this subject.
Golf1echo
10-25-2013, 08:31
Been a while since a POTUS was involved in a unit's headgear...:munchin
As in William P. Yarborough...
The Reaper
10-25-2013, 09:20
Actually, that was POTUS' permission to wear headgear that the unit had adopted.
Not the POTUS deciding what the design of it should be.
TR
longrange1947
10-25-2013, 14:20
Actually, that was POTUS' permission to wear headgear that the unit had adopted.
Not the POTUS deciding what the design of it should be.
TR
Thank you. :)
Golf1echo
10-25-2013, 14:34
Actually, that was POTUS' permission to wear headgear that the unit had adopted.
Not the POTUS deciding what the design of it should be.
TR
Yes and the big difference is both those men served HONORABLY!
Edit: Apologize for not delineating the rank http://www.ideasinactiontv.com/tcs_daily/2005/12/the-original-green-beret.html
Utah Bob
10-27-2013, 14:52
This sounds more like what reality might be on this subject.
Yup. Sure ruffled a lot of Girene feathers ;)
So why don't they just adopt a stetson. :munchin
Kind of like the type worn by Marines during the siege of Beijing. ( See Charlton Heston in "55 Days at Peking.") The "Boxers" intentionally avoided the sections of wall defended by Marines. "When the men in wide hats shoot, someone dies."