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Team Sergeant
07-16-2013, 16:28
I think I'll go and give "Free" self defense classes to anyone that wants them.......and when I teach someone to shoot they don't miss. :munchin
Eric Holder blasts ‘Stand Your Ground’ laws at NAACP event
(Because the NRA would have laughed him out of the building ;))
ORLANDO, Fla. — Attorney General Eric Holder on Tuesday strongly criticized stand-your-ground laws that allow a person who believes he is in danger to use deadly force in self-defense.
Holder said he was concerned about the case of Trayvon Martin, in which George Zimmermann was acquitted of second-degree murder and manslaughter charges, and said the Justice Department has an open investigation into what happened.
But he added: “Separate and apart from the case that has drawn the nation’s attention, it’s time to question laws that senselessly expand the concept of self-defense and sow dangerous conflict in our neighborhoods.”
In an address to an NAACP convention, Holder said it’s time to question laws that “senselessly expand the concept of self-defense.”
The attorney general said the country must take a hard look at laws that contribute to “more violence than they prevent.”
Such laws “try to fix something that was never broken,” he said.
Florida is among the states that have stand-your-ground laws, and the issue played a role in the prosecution of Zimmerman, whose acquittal has spurred calls for the U.S. Justice Department to file criminal civil rights charges against the former neighborhood watch volunteer.
Legal experts say a federal case would be a difficult challenge, with prosecutors having to prove that Zimmerman was motivated by racial animosity to kill Martin, who was 17 when he was shot during the fight with Zimmerman in February 2012.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/16/eric-holder-blasts-stand-your-ground-laws-naacp-co/#ixzz2ZFZ1yAKh
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Eric Holder
Apparatchik
Useful idiot
Stand your ground advocate
One of these things is not like the others...
Streck-Fu
07-16-2013, 17:52
I think I'll go and give "Free" self defense classes to anyone that wants them.......and when I teach someone to shoot they don't miss.
*Checks flight prices to Pheonix.....
I can't accept free, will you teach for good beer?
When will they rename the department for what they actually do.......Department of Racial Division and (in)Justice.....
The MSM's blistering critique of Eric Holder during his tenure as AG below:
"Nut Ting Wong..."
Oh, wait...:D
Employees of Holder's DOJ travelled to Sanford, FL on the taxpayer dime to help agitate.
The Executive branch (at least the WH and the DOJ) is being lead by community organizers.
I have refrained from commenting on the actual case itself but am appalled at our federal government's response in what was a local shooting gone wild.
IMO, Obama and Holder are stirring the pot for political gain instead of reducing the heat and that - while not surprising - is unconscionable.
These are the actions of tin pot dictators not the supposed leader of the free world and the highest ranking law enforcement officer in the country.
I'm in on the free lessons - will bring beer, scotch and bourbon.
The MSM's blistering critique of Eric Holder during his tenure as AG below:
"Nut Ting Wong..."
Oh, wait...:D
Employees of Holder's DOJ travelled to Sanford, FL on the taxpayer dime to help agitate.
The Executive branch (at least the WH and the DOJ) is being lead by community organizers.
I have refrained from commenting on the actual case itself but am appalled at our federal government's response in what was a local shooting gone wild.
IMO, Obama and Holder are stirring the pot for political gain instead of reducing the heat and that - while not surprising - is unconscionable.
These are the actions of tin pot dictators not the supposed leader of the free world and the highest ranking law enforcement officer in the country.
I'm in on the free lessons - will bring beer, scotch and bourbon.
Obama and Holder are working on a Trayvon Spring.
Team Sergeant
07-16-2013, 19:40
The MSM's blistering critique of Eric Holder during his tenure as AG below:
"Nut Ting Wong..."
Oh, wait...:D
Employees of Holder's DOJ travelled to Sanford, FL on the taxpayer dime to help agitate.
The Executive branch (at least the WH and the DOJ) is being lead by community organizers.
I have refrained from commenting on the actual case itself but am appalled at our federal government's response in what was a local shooting gone wild.
IMO, Obama and Holder are stirring the pot for political gain instead of reducing the heat and that - while not surprising - is unconscionable.
These are the actions of tin pot dictators not the supposed leader of the free world and the highest ranking law enforcement officer in the country.
I'm in on the free lessons - will bring beer, scotch and bourbon.
Good thing I didn't have a beer in my hand when I read that.....;)
holder is an idiot that needs to return to his own village.
Hey eric holder, I will never run from trouble, and I will always stand my ground. You on the other hand have reaffirmed the you're a spineless coward that will go out on his knees. How you look at yourself in the mirror to shave is beyond me.
Obama and Holder are working on a Trayvon Spring.
...after all the bloodshed and chaos not a single country enjoying an Arab Spring appears stable, or on course to be truly free.
Never let a crisis go to waste.
You may be on to something. ;)
"Mr. AG...want some crackas with that whine..."
In case you had not heard what the term Cracka actually means, it was on the radio today so it must be true.
This is from an interview that was on CNN last night, I do not watch CNN so I missed it. And all along I thought the term referred to white folks, boy do I feel stupid.
RACHEL JEANTEL, FRIEND OF TRAYVON: Well, the jury, they see their facts. My thoughts of the jury, they old, that’s old school people. We in a new school, our generation, my generation. So –
PIERS MORGAN: Let’s talk about ‘creepy ass cracka.’ People have said that that is a phrase used by black people, cracka, to describe a white person. Is that true?
JEANTEL: No! Like I said –
MORGAN: How do you spell it, first of all?
JEANTEL: Cracka.
MORGAN: There’s no ‘e-r,’ right?
JEANTEL: No, it’s an ‘a’ at the end.
MORGAN: C-r-a-c-k-a.
JEANTEL: Yeah. And that’s a person who act like they’re a police [officer], who, like a security guard who acting like — that’s what I said to them. Trayvon said creepy ass cracka.
MORGAN: It means he thought it was a police or a security guard?
JEANTEL: Yeah, he acting like the police. And then he keep telling me that the man is still watching him. So, if it was a security guard or a policeman, they would come up to Trayvon and say, ‘Do you have a problem? Do you need help?’ You know, like normal people.
Team Sergeant
07-16-2013, 20:35
RACHEL JEANTEL, I thought I read she was a professor of Ebonics at University of California, Berkeley??? :munchin
RACHEL JEANTEL, I thought I read she was a professor of Ebonics at University of California, Berkeley??? :munchin
I think Janet Napolitano is taking her out there when she goes. :)
For the amount of money we pay for elected officials is this really the best we can do?
Our nation has turned into a third rate reality TV show...
...but we can't change the channel or turn of the TV set.
I think Janet Napolitano is taking her out. :)
How sweet! <3
Pat
DJ Urbanovsky
07-16-2013, 22:07
Hey now, we have the best elected officials that money can buy.
For the amount of money we pay for elected officials is this really the best we can do?
Divemaster
07-17-2013, 00:19
Does an NRA Instructor certificate expire? I was rated in everything except black powder. Several years ago several Realtors (after some were attacked showing homes) asked me to teach them "Refuse to be a victim", another rating I had. I'm with TS. Freebies. Bring your own ammo. I'll fly to Phoenix on my own dime.
Trapper John
07-17-2013, 05:14
For the amount of money we pay for elected officials is this really the best we can do?
Our nation has turned into a third rate reality TV show... I love this analogy. :lifter
...but we can't change the channel or turn of the TV set. Oh, yes we can!! ;)
Comments in red. Great post.
Cake_14N
07-17-2013, 06:34
How you look at yourself in the mirror to shave is beyond me.
I bet he gets a wax and a facial at the local beauty parlor just so he does not have to look in the mirror.:D
Cake_14N
07-17-2013, 06:38
Does an NRA Instructor certificate expire? I was rated in everything except black powder. Several years ago several Realtors (after some were attacked showing homes) asked me to teach them "Refuse to be a victim", another rating I had. I'm with TS. Freebies. Bring your own ammo. I'll fly to Phoenix on my own dime.
My instructor certs get renewed along with my membership. I get new instructor cards along with my new membership card every other year. As of yet, I have not had to provide any proof that I have taught a class ( although I do teach once or twice a year) to get the new certs.
If you are a lifetime member, things are probably different.
Jason Riley of the WSJ, in an opinion piece, comments on why black civil rights leaders tend to focus on white racism rather than actual crime statistics and personal responsibility. Some excerpts below - complete article at link.
WSJ
OPINION
July 15, 2013, 7:12 p.m. ET
Jason Riley: Race, Politics and the Zimmerman Trial
The left wants to blame black criminality on racial animus and 'the system,' but blacks have long been part of running that system.
George Zimmerman's acquittal of murder charges in a Florida court has been followed by predictable calls for America to have a "national conversation" about this or that aspect of the case. President Obama wants to talk about gun control. Civil-rights leaders want to talk about racial profiling. Others want to discuss how the American criminal justice system supposedly targets black men.
All of which is fine. Just don't expect these conversations to be especially illuminating or honest. Liberals in general, and the black left in particular, like the idea of talking about racial problems, but in practice they typically ignore the most relevant aspects of any such discussion.
Any candid debate on race and criminality in this country would have to start with the fact that blacks commit an astoundingly disproportionate number of crimes. African-Americans constitute about 13% of the population, yet between 1976 and 2005 blacks committed more than half of all murders in the U.S. The black arrest rate for most offenses—including robbery, aggravated assault and property crimes—is typically two to three times their representation in the population. The U.S. criminal-justice system, which currently is headed by one black man (Attorney General Eric Holder) who reports to another (President Obama), is a reflection of this reality, not its cause.
"High rates of black violence in the late twentieth century are a matter of historical fact, not bigoted imagination," wrote the late Harvard Law professor William Stuntz in "The Collapse of American Criminal Justice." "The trends reached their peak not in the land of Jim Crow but in the more civilized North, and not in the age of segregation but in the decades that saw the rise of civil rights for African Americans—and of African American control of city governments."
The left wants to blame these outcomes on racial animus and "the system," but blacks have long been part of running that system. Black crime and incarceration rates spiked in the 1970s and '80s in cities such as Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago and Philadelphia, under black mayors and black police chiefs. Some of the most violent cities in the U.S. today are run by blacks.
Did the perception of black criminality play a role in Martin's death? We may never know for certain, but we do know that those negative perceptions of young black men are rooted in hard data on who commits crimes. We also know that young black men will not change how they are perceived until they change how they behave.
The homicide rate claiming black victims today is seven times that of whites, and the George Zimmermans of the world are not the reason. Some 90% of black murder victims are killed by other blacks.
So let's have our discussions, even if the only one that really needs to occur is within the black community. Civil-rights leaders today choose to keep the focus on white racism instead of personal responsibility, but their predecessors knew better.
"Do you know that Negroes are 10 percent of the population of St. Louis and are responsible for 58% of its crimes? We've got to face that. And we've got to do something about our moral standards," Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. told a congregation in 1961. "We know that there are many things wrong in the white world, but there are many things wrong in the black world, too. We can't keep on blaming the white man. There are things we must do for ourselves."
Mr. Riley is a member of the Journal's editorial board.
<snip>
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323394504578608182550247030.html?m od=trending_now_4
A short video interview with Jason Riley at link below - on the subject OP-ED piece above.
http://live.wsj.com/video/opinion-why-are-black-leaders-exploiting-trayvon-martin/A884CEA7-F97C-4E2A-80FF-566B9FFB3BB4.html#!A884CEA7-F97C-4E2A-80FF-566B9FFB3BB4
Streck-Fu
07-17-2013, 08:45
"There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do do not want to lose their jobs." - Booker T. Washington - 1911
“Among a large class, there seemed to be a dependence upon the government for every conceivable thing. The members of this class had little ambition to create a position for themselves, but wanted the federal officials to create one for them. How many times I wished then and have often wished since, that by some power of magic, I might remove the great bulk of these people into the country districts and plant them upon the soil – upon the solid and never deceptive foundation of Mother Nature, where all nations and races that have ever succeeded have gotten their start – a start that at first may be slow and toilsome, but one that nevertheless is real.”
― Booker T. Washington, Up from Slavery
"There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do do not want to lose their jobs." - Booker T. Washington - 1911
Great post, things have not changed much in the past 102 years, in fact they gone from bad to worse.
Trapper John
07-17-2013, 09:03
Jason Riley of the WSJ, in an opinion piece, comments on why black civil rights leaders tend to focus on white racism rather than actual crime statistics and personal responsibility. Some excerpts below - complete article at link.
WSJ
OPINION
July 15, 2013, 7:12 p.m. ET
Jason Riley: Race, Politics and the Zimmerman Trial
The left wants to blame black criminality on racial animus and 'the system,' but blacks have long been part of running that system.
George Zimmerman's acquittal of murder charges in a Florida court has been followed by predictable calls for America to have a "national conversation" about this or that aspect of the case. President Obama wants to talk about gun control. Civil-rights leaders want to talk about racial profiling. Others want to discuss how the American criminal justice system supposedly targets black men.
All of which is fine. Just don't expect these conversations to be especially illuminating or honest. Liberals in general, and the black left in particular, like the idea of talking about racial problems, but in practice they typically ignore the most relevant aspects of any such discussion.
Any candid debate on race and criminality in this country would have to start with the fact that blacks commit an astoundingly disproportionate number of crimes. African-Americans constitute about 13% of the population, yet between 1976 and 2005 blacks committed more than half of all murders in the U.S. The black arrest rate for most offenses—including robbery, aggravated assault and property crimes—is typically two to three times their representation in the population. The U.S. criminal-justice system, which currently is headed by one black man (Attorney General Eric Holder) who reports to another (President Obama), is a reflection of this reality, not its cause.
"High rates of black violence in the late twentieth century are a matter of historical fact, not bigoted imagination," wrote the late Harvard Law professor William Stuntz in "The Collapse of American Criminal Justice." "The trends reached their peak not in the land of Jim Crow but in the more civilized North, and not in the age of segregation but in the decades that saw the rise of civil rights for African Americans—and of African American control of city governments."
The left wants to blame these outcomes on racial animus and "the system," but blacks have long been part of running that system. Black crime and incarceration rates spiked in the 1970s and '80s in cities such as Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago and Philadelphia, under black mayors and black police chiefs. Some of the most violent cities in the U.S. today are run by blacks.
Did the perception of black criminality play a role in Martin's death? We may never know for certain, but we do know that those negative perceptions of young black men are rooted in hard data on who commits crimes. We also know that young black men will not change how they are perceived until they change how they behave.
The homicide rate claiming black victims today is seven times that of whites, and the George Zimmermans of the world are not the reason. Some 90% of black murder victims are killed by other blacks.
So let's have our discussions, even if the only one that really needs to occur is within the black community. Civil-rights leaders today choose to keep the focus on white racism instead of personal responsibility, but their predecessors knew better.
"Do you know that Negroes are 10 percent of the population of St. Louis and are responsible for 58% of its crimes? We've got to face that. And we've got to do something about our moral standards," Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. told a congregation in 1961. "We know that there are many things wrong in the white world, but there are many things wrong in the black world, too. We can't keep on blaming the white man. There are things we must do for ourselves."
Mr. Riley is a member of the Journal's editorial board.
<snip>
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323394504578608182550247030.html?m od=trending_now_4
A short video interview with Jason Riley at link below - on the subject OP-ED piece above.
http://live.wsj.com/video/opinion-why-are-black-leaders-exploiting-trayvon-martin/A884CEA7-F97C-4E2A-80FF-566B9FFB3BB4.html#!A884CEA7-F97C-4E2A-80FF-566B9FFB3BB4
Dammit - Ya just had to go and drag FACTS into this discussion now didn't ya?
Don't have the facts on hand - but IIRC something about an economic association with violent crime rates. As I said, I don't have the data, but I bet if violent crime statistics are normalized for economic conditions - the race disparity will all but disappear. As always - it's about the economy!
Just my $0.02 and as things are going that is worth less and less. Hell, I think I'll shoot somebody! :D
Dammit - Ya just had to go and drag FACTS into this discussion now didn't ya?
"Yup, 'cause I'm old, that's old school people...no facts is new school. We in a new school."
Our nation has turned into a third rate reality TV show...
Today's society watches TV shows that predominantly feature white men who are snivelling pansies while women or minorities are in a dominating role. Gangsta idosynchrosies, flagrant disregard to authority figures, and homosexual behavior are cool.
It's a Country where states seriously consider prohibiting the sale of cheeseburgers while simultaneously leglisating for the legality of THC.
A DOJ who is under suspicion for a long list of infractions has no legitimate platform from which to complain about laws who are in effect for half the states, nor should he snivel about a verdict reached regardless of efforts of the press and others to influence a "Guilty" outcome.
The hypocrisy of the liberal press is to blame, along with educators, entertainers, lazy, ignorant and Godless parents, and the feminist movement.
Today's society watches TV shows that predominantly feature white men who are snivelling pansies while women or minorities are in a dominating role. Gangsta idosynchrosies, flagrant disregard to authority figures, and homosexual behavior are cool.
Awesome...
...that does a pretty good job of painting a picture of what is arguably the keystone of all reality shows - "Survivor"- during its first season when the grouchy old white man (clearly a brainwashed homophobic retired military elitist) was bested by a determined female tour guide, and a habitually naked homosexual suburbanite.
Trapper John
07-18-2013, 08:04
Awesome...
...that does a pretty good job of painting a picture of what is arguably the keystone of all reality shows - "Survivor"- during its first season when the grouchy old white man (clearly a brainwashed homophobic retired military elitist) was bested by a determined female tour guide, and a habitually naked homosexual suburbanite.
Ruuudy! Ruuudy! Ruuuudy!
I watched the 1st season and never again! [Gag icon]
Awesome...
...that does a pretty good job of painting a picture of what is arguably the keystone of all reality shows - "Survivor"- during its first season when the grouchy old white man (clearly a brainwashed homophobic retired military elitist) was bested by a determined female tour guide, and a habitually naked homosexual suburbanite.
lol Exacto, mi hermano.
Have white guys ever had a fair shot on television?
LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBI6R1mxipg) :cool:
One of the lunar astronauts should have taken an A.L.I.C.E. pack to the Moon. :D
Pat
One of the lunar astronauts should have taken an A.L.I.C.E. pack to the Moon. :D
Pat
She's already been there - don't make me drag out that cartoon...
Barbarian
07-19-2013, 06:32
She's already been there - don't make me drag out that cartoon...
....:D:D:D
She's already been there - don't make me drag out that cartoon...
This one? :confused:
Trapper John
07-19-2013, 14:02
LMAOF That's a good one. But you do need to be of certain generation to appreciate the humor. RIP Jackie you were the "Great One".
ddoering
07-19-2013, 14:59
So let me get this straight. In the new school "JEANTEL: Yeah. And that’s a person who act like they’re a police [officer], who, like a security guard who acting like — that’s what I said to them. Trayvon said creepy ass cracka.
MORGAN: It means he thought it was a police or a security guard?"
and the proper COA for someone who is being followed by police/security is to jump them and try to beat the crap out of them. Its all clear to me now.....
On another note this was overheard in the DOJ today:
Agent #1- Everybody look for racism.
Agent #2- (looking in closet) No racism here.
Agent #3- (looking in In Box) No racism here either.
Agent #4- (looking in desk drawer) No racism here, no wait. There it is, right under the IRS Scandal folder that we closed the other day. Boy, it looks like a whole case of racism to me.
Agent #1- Good work Agent #4. The boss will want to see this asap.
"There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do do not want to lose their jobs." - Booker T. Washington - 1911
“Among a large class, there seemed to be a dependence upon the government for every conceivable thing. The members of this class had little ambition to create a position for themselves, but wanted the federal officials to create one for them. How many times I wished then and have often wished since, that by some power of magic, I might remove the great bulk of these people into the country districts and plant them upon the soil – upon the solid and never deceptive foundation of Mother Nature, where all nations and races that have ever succeeded have gotten their start – a start that at first may be slow and toilsome, but one that nevertheless is real.”
― Booker T. Washington, Up from Slavery
Great post, things have not changed much in the past 102 years, in fact they gone from bad to worse.You two might profit from taking another look at the recent biographies of B.T. Washington (especially R.J. Norell's Up from History), and refamiliarizing yourselves with how he fit into the contemporaneous debates among blacks, and reexamining the racial politics of his time before appropriating his comments to advance your political points of view. You might find that Mr. Washington's views on race were more complex than you realize and that things have changed a little in the past century. (Unless that change is actually the cause of your complaint and you miss the "good old days." When ever that was.)
Or you can stick with the willfully ignorant cut and paste approach to America's past and you can continue to wallow in the abysmal historical amnesia that is helping to send the GOP into oblivion and that is perpetuating racial division in this country.
No, strike that. Let's stick with the playbook. Let's blame it all on the MSM, the POTUS, the Democrats, and every American who has the temerity to have a different opinion than what is propogated by the House of Murdoch. Everything would be hunky dory if they would just stop complaining and stirring up trouble.
(An aside. It is [gerund deleted] awesome how up in arms American conservatives are over the NSA scandal but have so very little to say about the News of the World scandal. But that was probably different.)
Trapper John
07-20-2013, 06:01
Sig-[entire post]
Was there a point in there somewhere?
Paragrouper
07-20-2013, 07:00
So let me get this straight. In the new school "JEANTEL: Yeah. And that’s a person who act like they’re a police [officer], who, like a security guard who acting like — that’s what I said to them. Trayvon said creepy ass cracka.
There is no school in that statement. That's a weak excuse for a comment she made under oath in a court of law.