View Full Version : Preparing for Riots After Zimmerman Verdict Is Racial Fear Mongering
A 'Ground Swell" of protest..... the DoJ and the MSM sparked a movement. If Law Enforcement doesn't prepare and their are riots they will get hammered, if they do prepare they are racists!
What a circus!
As the trial of George Zimmerman winds down, the Orlando police are reportedly bracing for possible riots in the event that the defendant walks. The Broward County Sheriff’s Office release two public service announcements urging people to “raise their voice, not their hands” if they are unhappy with the verdict. Meanwhile, church leaders, who have been given seats at the trial, have pledged to use their influence in the community to quell any violence.
Given the way Trayvon Martin’s fatal shooting was initially ignored by law enforcement—it was 46 days before George Zimmerman was arrested—there is cause for concern. It was a groundswell of protest from the black community that brought the shooting to the nation’s attention—remember the One Million Hoodie March? This case has sparked a movement—in defense of young black men and in opposition to Stand Your Ground law. But the pre-emptive call for calm runs counter to recent history, and may be akin to racial fear mongering.
The last major racial riot occurred in Los Angeles after four police officers were acquitted in the brutal beating of Rodney King. That was 21 years ago. Since then, there have been several other racially-charged cases that might have provoked an outpouring of protest but did not. The police officers who murdered Sean Bell in a hail of 50 bullets were acquitted in 2008, and no riots ensued. The indictment of the officer that shot and killed Bronx teenager Ramarley Graham was tossed out earlier this year, even with footage of the police following him into his Bronx home. His mother didn’t call for riots. She made t-shirts to protest.
In some ways, the calls for order recapitulate what this case is all about—the assumption of violence on the part of the black community, and of black men. No one seems to be concerned about the possible violence of Zimmerman supporters if Zimmerman is convicted. To try to preemptively deter the black community from taking matters into their own hands should they feel justice has not been done is ironic considering that Zimmerman’s actions themselves were a kind of vigilanteeism—a violence above and beyond what many, including the prosecution and Martin’s family, feel was necessary.
If Zimmerman is acquitted, people will be upset, but they will find other avenues to show their dissatisfaction. The black community has become more sophisticated in protesting injustice, and there is talk already of using economic boycotts and other means that are more effective than upheavals that would only result in heavier police repression. Should Zimmerman walk, the response will be long-term and focused on ending Stand Your Ground so that this cannot happen again. After all, this case probably would not even have come to trial without the sustained outpouring of protest—all of it non-violent.
Read more: http://ideas.time.com/2013/07/11/preparing-for-riots-after-zimmerman-verdict-is-racial-fear-mongering/#ixzz2YjeWBpC3
Streck-Fu
07-11-2013, 05:56
Given the way Trayvon Martin’s fatal shooting was initially ignored by law enforcement—
Holy hell, this crap is getting old. It was not ignored as we can see from the trial. The investigators concluded that there was zero evidence that things did not happen exactly as Zimmerman described. Everything actually supported his claim.
The police chief was fired and the lead investigator demoted as a prosecution team was brought in from other cities as the locals knew the truth and would not prosecute.
Yet the media still runs the bullshit....
Yet the media still PROMOTES the bullshit....
We're dealing with Promoters and Facilitators ;)
We're dealing with Promoters and Facilitators ;)
The Paranoid Style in American Politics
http://studyplace.ccnmtl.columbia.edu/files/courses/reserve/Hofstadter-1996-Paranoid-Style-American-Politics-1-to-40.pdf
The Paranoid Style in American Politics
http://studyplace.ccnmtl.columbia.edu/files/courses/reserve/Hofstadter-1996-Paranoid-Style-American-Politics-1-to-40.pdf
This actually looks like a intereasting read.....despite being a Communist and attending the University of Criminals at Columbia ;)
Ret10Echo
07-11-2013, 07:16
The Paranoid Style in American Politics
http://studyplace.ccnmtl.columbia.edu/files/courses/reserve/Hofstadter-1996-Paranoid-Style-American-Politics-1-to-40.pdf
So is the inference that MSM understands and leverages the "Paranoid Style" or that those reading/observing the information see it through such a filter?
Understanding the extremes of reaction...probability that the MSM is simply creating the circumstances for news to happen in the future...
rubberneck
07-11-2013, 08:06
Florida is one of the states where verdict riots could potentially be more lethal to the rioters than to the rest of the population. That nonsense that went on in LA after Rodney King had more to do with a population that was effectively disarmed than any thing else. The people in LA who armed themselves to protect their families, property and businesses were fine, those who didn't became road kill. I don't see the same thing happening in Florida. Too many responsible gun owners for it to get that far out of hand.
longrange1947
07-11-2013, 08:12
Florida is one of the states where verdict riots could potentially be more lethal to the rioters than to the rest of the population. That nonsense that went on in LA after Rodney King had more to do with a population that was effectively disarmed than any thing else. The people in LA who armed themselves to protect their families, property and businesses were fine, those who didn't became road kill. I don't see the same thing happening in Florida. Too many responsible gun owners for it to get that far out of hand.
Actually there were instances of the LEOs disarming and disbanding those that were trying to protect their property. The Korean store incident comes to mind. :munchin
I am currently on vacation in So Cal and was wondering if the verdict would come down while I was out here. Heading north to fly out of LA on Saturday. I don't know if LA will riot if a verdict comes down they don't like, but I guess it is a possibility if people want to look for an excuse to loot and pillage.
Hopefully the jury will hold off until at least Sunday.:cool:
With the likes of Jamie Foxx encouraging riots if a not guilty verdict comes down, it will be interesting to see what happens nationwide. I am hoping common sense will prevail, but that may be asking too much.
rubberneck
07-11-2013, 09:34
Actually there were instances of the LEOs disarming and disbanding those that were trying to protect their property. The Korean store incident comes to mind. :munchin
I made that comment because I remember a picture of a Korean grocer standing guard at his unmolested store while people were looting and burning all the surrounding businesses. Perhaps he was later disarmed but the take away for me was that none of the rioters wanted any part of screwing with a person willing to shoot them dead.
A new twist.
Manslaughter charge allowed
Judge Debra Nelson ruled Thursday that jurors will be allowed to consider manslaughter instead of the original second-degree murder charge against Zimmerman. But she denied prosecutors' request to let the jurors also consider third-degree felony murder in their deliberations.
Prosecutors argued that charge on the theory that Zimmerman had committed child abuse when he shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin on February 26, 2012. Nelson questioned a requirement in Florida law that would have required jurors to find Zimmerman intentionally committed child abuse.
"I just don't think the evidence supports that," she said.
Before Nelson's ruling, defense attorney Don West reacted angrily to the proposal, accusing prosecutors of springing the theory at the last minute and calling it a "trick."
"Oh my God," he told Nelson. "Just when I thought this case couldn't get any more bizarre, the state is seeking third-degree murder based on child abuse."
But Nelson agreed to allow the manslaughter charge after prosecutors argued that Florida law requires its inclusion.
In arguing unsuccessfully against the manslaughter charge, West told Nelson that Zimmerman believes that because the "state has charged him with second-degree murder, they should be required to prove it, if they can."
Prosecutors sought the additional charges to give jurors more options should they find Zimmerman didn't commit second-degree murder when he killed Martin.
Ex-Sanford police chief: Zimmerman probe 'taken away from us'
In other issues, attorneys also argued over a defense request that Nelson tell jurors that following someone isn't a crime.
"You are absolutely allowed to follow, especially if you want to tell the police, that cannot be considered provocation, carrying a licensed firearm cannot be considered a threat," West argued.
But Nelson said there's no Florida law that explicitly says following someone is not illegal, so she couldn't tell the jury that it's part of the law.
She also denied the defense's request to instruct jurors about how they should view circumstantial evidence.
The LA riots were contained to the Ghetto to protect the rioters. They knew what was going to happen if they got out. I think it's like 1 in 3 houses in FL have guns. Plus people on both sides are ready to vent.
Ret10Echo
07-11-2013, 15:42
The prosecution is going to get their pound of flesh. This thing is so politicized that Z-man is foookd
The LA riots were contained to the Ghetto to protect the rioters. They knew what was going to happen if they got out. I think it's like 1 in 3 houses in FL have guns. Plus people on both sides are ready to vent.
I have a queasy feeling in my gizzard that we won't just see rioting in Florida, as was the case with King and the rioting just happening in L.A., but that we'll see various riots in pretty much every population center around the country.
I may be wrong, but just to be on the safe side, I might just start carrying my MP15 with me, as well as my EDC. Thank God Colorado is still an open carry State ..... for now.
I have a queasy feeling in my gizzard that we won't just see rioting in Florida, as was the case with King and the rioting just happening in L.A., but that we'll see various riots in pretty much every population center around the country.
I may be wrong, but just to be on the safe side, I might just start carrying my MP15 with me, as well as my EDC. Thank God Colorado is still an open carry State ..... for now.
If I lived in the City. I would probably call in sick tomorrow or Monday.
The prosecution is going to get their pound of flesh. This thing is so politicized that Z-man is foookd
Yep, he is going to be sacrificed and then with any luck Zimmerman will get an appeal.
Team Sergeant
07-11-2013, 16:30
If I lived in the City. I would probably call in sick tomorrow or Monday.
Not Phoenix...... too many guns here.... there will be no riots :munchin
GratefulCitizen
07-11-2013, 16:36
The race-baiting seems more like a means to an end.
The bigger issue is big city liberals trying to exert power over everyone else in the nation.
This particular incident was well suited for a demonstration of power.
The theme: locals can't be trusted to govern and police their own communities.
Offend liberal sensibilities, and they'll meddle.
You just know that the so-called Justice Department is going to file a Civil Rights case against Mr. Zimmerman regardless of the verdict.
The bigger issue is big city liberals trying to exert power over everyone else in the nation.
NBPP, Al Sharpton, Jessee Jackson, NAACP.......
Liberal isn't the word that comes to my mind.
You just know that the so-called Justice Department is going to file a Civil Rights case against Mr. Zimmerman regardless of the verdict.
Win or lose, this entire debacle is a HUGE and intentional distraction that benefits the current administration.
Joe 6 Pack is time poor with little time invested in news, or the poor infotainment substitute most subsist on.
There's just no mass media news time presenting genuine force ranked problems.
I reckon we have 12-18 months before version 2.0 of the 2008 GFC, and there's no coverage of anything relevant.
Instead coverage is laser focused on a local issue with significant components of it that are entirely fabricated.
Perpetual distractions.
TrapLine
07-12-2013, 05:47
I have a queasy feeling in my gizzard that we won't just see rioting in Florida, as was the case with King and the rioting just happening in L.A., but that we'll see various riots in pretty much every population center around the country.
I suspect the epicenter of the rioting might just be POTUS' home town. It seems ripe for this type of disturbance. I am glad to see the trial winding down - I have a meeting to attend in Chicagoland in two weeks.
If those such as Sharpton, Jackson and Jamie Foxx begin calling for a disturbance - I only hope they put their feet where their mouth is and are in front of the crowd... I doubt there will be anyone headin' to the streets here in Northern MN:D.
Guymullins
07-12-2013, 06:40
Gee you guys can sometimes exaggerate Americas importance to the rest of the world. Most people in Nairobi have never heard of this Zimmerman fellow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY&feature=share
Richard
TacOfficer
07-12-2013, 07:02
Gentlemen,
Odd thing is, here in Chicago there isn't much talk on the street. Local news report the trial like it was a side show. The biggest headlines have been the CCW issue and the politics associated with it.
With Rodney and others like him, it was the police oppressing the minority. I have not heard anything like, "he's wrong" or "that's not right", typical thug venting. I believe even the savages know what Travon was up to and got the wrong end of the barrel.
Now, don't misunderstand me, they wouldn't let a opportunity to reek havoc on the community go to waste, I just don't see a huge ground swell developing.
:munchin
Gee you guys can sometimes exaggerate Americas importance to the rest of the world. Most people in Nairobi have never heard of this Zimmerman fellow.
Well played Sir .... Very well played. :lifter
:D :D :D
Team Sergeant
07-12-2013, 09:31
The Zimmerman Trial started Jun 25 - July 12 (today) during that time there were 40 blacks shot and killed in Chicago and hundreds wounded, all black on black. A couple of black children were also murdered. No national news, no blacks up in arms over the very recent murders.
But if a white/hispanic guy shoots a black thug we go all raciest on him.
I see how this works now, it's ok for blacks to call each other N***er, no harm, no foul, and it's also ok for blacks to murder each other, including:
Ed Cooper, a 15 year old black male, murdered by a gunshot in Humboldt Park, July 8th, 2013.
Damani Henard, a 14 year old black male, murdered by a gunshot in Austin, July 2nd 2013
Malcolm Whitney, a 16 year old black male, murdered by a gunshot in South Shore. June 28th, 2013
Sterling Sims, a 5 year old black male, murdered by a gunshot in New City, Jun 28th, 2013
This is normal behavior in the United States..... I'm sure the obama's are proud of their home city and it's culture.
longrange1947
07-12-2013, 09:33
I believe more is at play on this, as in the right for self defense. The prosecutor stated that since Zimmerman was carrying, he was looking to shoot someone. Britain ended the right to self defense and that became the basis for the gun grab. They are trying to end the stand your ground laws and make it more difficult to claim self defense.
Just something to think about. :munchin
Streck-Fu
07-12-2013, 09:43
I see how this works now, it's ok for blacks to call each other N***er and call white hispanics 'cracka', no harm, no foul,
Fixed it.....
I believe more is at play on this, as in the right for self defense. :munchin
That's what I was thinking. Plus, to discourage people from starting/joining Neighborhood Watch programs. We must make the streets safer for our sweet little thugs.
Pat
With the shit we have in Baltimore.. A lot of killing has been going on for some time now. I feel that Baltimore will have something, but the news will keep quite. It will be gang on gang shit..
Jammie Fox suxs....
TacOfficer
07-12-2013, 10:49
The benefit of the doubt always went to the savage.
Defending yourself was always looked upon with suspicion in the court room. We (police) were ready to give a pat on the back on the street. "Thanks for making my job a little easier", but the elite replied that it's not your place to be responsible for your own safety. "Leave that to the pros".
Well the pros know: When seconds count, we're minutes away.
uspsmark
07-12-2013, 10:50
I live in an open carry state and do so occasionally as I live in a rural area. I also have a Concealed Handgun Permit. Had some problems with some of my wife's family (meth, burglary, assault, etc.) and carried open more frequently during those times. When my wife and brother in law went to court to deal with the assault charges, the person that committed the assault brought up the fact that I carried openly and he felt threatened. The judge asked if I had ever drawn my weapon or even hinted that I would shoot him. His answer was, "No". The judge stated that I had every right to open carry as long as it was not in a prohibited location and he saw no problem with me doing so. Point is...those of us that legally carry a handgun always hope that we will not need to use it, we never go looking for a confrontation. The anti-gun establishment sees guns as a means for committing a crime as opposed to those of us that see them as a means to lessen criminal activity. I know I'm preaching to the choir with this group of folks, but it always ticks me off that people actually believe that legally armed individuals pose a threat to anyone just because they choose to carry. The four individuals that were giving my wife grief are gone...one is dead (cancer), one in jail for meth production and harboring a fugitive, and the other two have moved out of state. My life is so much better now.
uspsmark
07-12-2013, 10:53
"Well the pros know: When seconds count, we're minutes away."
I live in a very large county with a small Sheriff's department (13 officers). Minutes? Sometimes takes them an hour or more depending on where they are in the county when they get a call.
Not Phoenix...... too many guns here.... there will be no riots :munchin
Friend who was in Cleveland last week said he saw more Trevon T-shirts then their were Obama shirts before the first election. I'm renting a house in a neighborhood full of MARSOC Marines. Pretty safe....I think.
The Trevon tweets on twitter are in the millions. Government will blame social media and use it as an excuse to control the internet. This internet thing is the thorn in our Governments side.
The Trevon tweets on twitter are in the millions. Government will blame social media and use it as an excuse to control the internet. This internet thing is the thorn in our Governments side.
Speaking of political prisoners... What's that dumb assed videographer that caused Benghazi up to these days? :rolleyes:
Speaking of political prisoners... What's that dumb assed videographer that caused Benghazi up to these days? :rolleyes:
lost me. If you mean distraction. Yes this is a big distraction. Riots even more. But if you watch HLN or MSNBC. Your going to be outraged if he walks. Even CNN turned the corner and has been reporting honestly. CNN couldn't ignore the destruction of the prosecutions case:D
longrange1947
07-12-2013, 18:33
The only reason this is where is it is, because an idiot so-called "journalist" edited 911 tapes to make a story on a slow night. She got fired but then the President jumped up and made the dumbest statement in the world by saying that Trayvon could have been his son. Well POTUS if Trayvon had of been yours then you failed as a parent because, the reports shows he was a thief and a drug user.
Now you too are at fault if there are riots, great job POTUS,,, NOT!!!
They will get what they want, another crisis to pass another round of BS laws to gain more control.
The only reason this is where is it is, because an idiot so-called "journalist" edited 911 tapes to make a story on a slow night. She got fired but then the President jumped up and made the dumbest statement in the world by saying that Trayvon could have been his son. Well POTUS if Trayvon had of been yours then you failed as a parent because, the reports shows he was a thief and a drug user.
Now you too are at fault if there are riots, great job POTUS,,, NOT!!!
They will get what they want, another crisis to pass another round of BS laws to gain more control.
Kind of like "acting stupidly" don't ya think?
The_Mentalist
07-12-2013, 20:22
The LA riots were contained to the Ghetto to protect the rioters. They knew what was going to happen if they got out. I think it's like 1 in 3 houses in FL have guns. Plus people on both sides are ready to vent.
This! If there is a race riot over this verdict it will make Chicago look like a safe place to live. There will be so many justified homocides that it will change the demographics for a long time.
Not to sound racist because I am most definitely not. Too many non blacks are fed up with the Sharpton and Jackson types that it will turn any riot area into a free fire zone.
ETA: In reference to previous post about carrying...
I am in a semi. After what happened to Reginald Denny during the King riots, I swore that would not happen to me. So, I am not only well armed, but have a boatload of ammo with me. My 1911 stays on my hip (or within seconds of reach if in a communist state) and by the time I run through the three mags I carry on me, my co driver/GF will have more mags on hand and have pulled put the AR and joining in. Then she hands me the AR (15 mags ready to rock) and reloads from the 100 stripper clips I have ready. If that fails, I have 800 loose rounds of 5.56, 500 rounds of .45 and if I run out of that, I still have 300 rounds for my .308 which is also with me. Don't fuzz with a trucker! You may be in for a surprise. We learned our lessons and I am not the only equipped truck out here.
TacOfficer
07-12-2013, 21:36
Mentalist,
I know of a couple of neighborhoods you are well equipped to deliver to.
TO
:D
Zimmerman Judge Ran Kangaroo Court (http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/071213-663605-biased-judge-had-it-in-for-zimmerman.htm)
A Morality Tale That Failed (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/07/12/a_morality_tale_that_failed_119186.html)
Obama’s Alinskyite Administration (http://nationalreview.com/article/353230/obamas-alinskyite-administration-john-fund)
'Crackers,' a 'teenage mammy' -- the sorry truth about race and Zimmerman trial (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/07/11/white-hispanics-crackers-teenage-mammies-no-winners-in-martin-zimmerman-case/)
When they asked the detective why he ruled out racism. GZ spent two weekends a month mentoring 6 young black kids without dads. Also worked full time. Also went to school. Also head of neighborhood watch, even thou that didn't work out to well.
This is why the prosecution wanted their backgrounds brought up. Not to make Trevon look bad. Of course that would of helped.
I believe he got out of his car and followed him. Big possibility he had his gun out. Trevon circled around and jumped his ass. Thats a no no.
They both made stupid decisions that night.
Here is what honesty about this trial will get you, fired.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-it-firing/index.html?hpt=hp_t1&app_data=%7B%22pi%22%3A%2251e1b7c6fee4260d4500000c %22%2C%22pt%22%3A%22wall%22%7D
This whole trial is a sham certainly not the slam dunk the prosecutor was hoping for. I hope this guy has some recourse against the state.
Looks like the jury wants a little more info on manslaughter.
Looks like no riots - well, maybe a riot anyway in celebration. Never turn down a chance to do some free shopping.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/13/3498415/jurors-resume-deliberations-in.html
GratefulCitizen
07-13-2013, 18:01
Looks like the jury wants a little more info on manslaughter.
Looks like no riots - well, maybe a riot anyway in celebration. Never turn down a chance to do some free shopping.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/13/3498415/jurors-resume-deliberations-in.html
From the article:
The trial has captured worldwide attention, casting scrutiny on U.S. race relations and Florida’s much criticized self-defense law.
Really?
Wouldn't seem that "stand your ground" would apply when someone is sitting on you preventing your retreat.
Never let a crisis go to waste.
17yearoldtrayvonmartin riots are probably a welcome distraction from all the other attention that our dear leaders inside the beltway have been trying to deflect...
...nothing to see here. Hey, look: a hate crime!
THE VERDICT IS IN
STAND BY
Divemaster
07-13-2013, 20:02
Good job ladies of the jury.
Shocked, but I think that that is the only verdict they could have come up with, it was the right verdict.
Divemaster
07-13-2013, 20:08
Waiting for the Federal indictment for civil rights violation. The regime is not pleased.
Peregrino
07-13-2013, 20:14
Waiting for the Federal indictment for civil rights violation. The regime is not pleased.
F*** the regime! Sadly, you're probably spot on.
Divemaster
07-13-2013, 20:18
Top 2 U.S. Twitter trends: #TravyonMartin & #JusticeForTrayvon. #killzimmerman, #riot and #riotfortrayvon also seeing a lot of movement.
F*** the regime! Sadly, you're probably spot on.
Feds can only get involved if, human or civil rights and hate crime. This case doesn't come close to any of those. He is also immune from civil suit.
Divemaster
07-13-2013, 20:27
Feds can only get involved if, human or civil rights and hate crime. This case doesn't come close to any of those. He is also immune from civil suit.
I didn't think it came close to 2nd degree murder either, but he was charged due to political pressure.
Top 2 U.S. Twitter trends: #TravyonMartin & #JusticeForTrayvon. #killzimmerman, #riot and #riotfortrayvon also seeing a lot of movement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g37HT4-EtzE
:munchin
snapped from a cell phone inside a secret briefing room in Washington DC....
Surgicalcric
07-13-2013, 20:42
Shocked, but I think that that is the only verdict they could have come up with, it was the right verdict.
The right verdict indeed.
Hope the president is ready for the shit-storm that is going to ensue as a result of the race baiting his administration pushed.
Ghost_Team
07-13-2013, 20:46
OK, let's see what the backlash to this is....
Unarmed black teenager is shot by a "white" guy who is subsequently acquitted. Should be a good show.
:munchin
The right verdict indeed.
Hope the president is ready for the fantage-storm that is going to ensue as a result of the race baiting his administration pushed.
I truly hope your wrong.
TIMELINE: Media's prosecution of Zimmerman... (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/07/13/Media-Zimmerman-Coverage-Rap-Sheet)
mojaveman
07-13-2013, 20:59
Considering the politics of the entire affair I thought he'd get at least a manslaughter conviction.
I think there's going to be some pissed off people over the verdict.
I got a Winchester and I'm on high ground. ;)
Should be a good show.
:munchin
I don't think you guys are going to see what you think you're going to see.
Disclaimer: I've been wrong before.
snapped from a cell phone inside a secret briefing room in Washington DC....
Absolutely awesome, I think that's funnier than the unfair comparison of the judge to Chris Farley (Chris doesn't deserve that)
Divemaster
07-13-2013, 21:13
I don't think you guys are going to see what you think you're going to see.
Disclaimer: I've been wrong before.
Perhaps social media will be a tool for venting rather than organizing?
Badger52
07-13-2013, 21:49
Considering the politics of the entire affair I thought he'd get at least a manslaughter conviction.
I think there's going to be some pissed off people over the verdict.
I got a Winchester and I'm on high ground. ;)And then there's this...
GratefulCitizen
07-13-2013, 21:55
So is the aftermath going to increase or decrease the number of shootings each week in Chicago?
Doubt that there will be very much "unrest" in Free America.
The_Mentalist
07-14-2013, 05:32
I have read/heard some scuttlebutt about incidents in San Diego and Miami. A few marches have been planned that may get out of hand. Just lock and load, sit back, wait and see what happens.
Snaquebite
07-14-2013, 06:55
Certain individuals and organizations will refuse to let it go.
Justice Department: Open a Civil Rights Case Against George Zimmerman
By Benjamin Todd Jealous (Contact)
To be delivered to: Department of Justice, Attorney General Eric Holder
Petition Statement
Attorney General Eric Holder,
The Department of Justice has closely monitored the State of Florida's prosecution of the case against George Zimmerman in the Trayvon Martin murder since it began. Today, with the acquittal of George Zimmerman, it is time for the Department of Justice to act.
The most fundamental of civil rights — the right to life — was violated the night George Zimmerman stalked and then took the life of Trayvon Martin. We ask that the Department of Justice file civil rights charges against Mr. Zimmerman for this egregious violation.
Please address the travesties of the tragic death of Trayvon Martin by acting today.
Thank you.
http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/open-a-civil-rights-case
94K plus signatures already
The link below offers a very good cross-section of opinion on the verdict across America. I think this one pretty much sums up how many people view the trial and its result.
To me, this verdict isn't about race, American culture, guns, carry and conceal, or even vigilantism; it's about burden of proof.
Our legal system is designed so that the burden of proof is on the prosecution, and charges must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt before a conviction can be made and punishment from judgment carried out. Sometimes this system allows a guilty person to go free, but it is better than the alternative of jailing or killing those who are innocent. The prosecution didn't meet that burden of proof, so the legal system performed as it was designed to.
http://news.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-verdict-reaction-from-sanford--fla---and-across-the-country-021735167.html
And so it goes...
Richard
Team Sergeant
07-14-2013, 07:36
No "MSM driven" riots here.....
Great article (below), the story would not have even made front page news had the racist AP reporter not included the "White" aspect.....
Guilty Until Proven Innocent: How the Press Prosecuted Zimmerman While Stoking Racial Tensions
March 8, 2012 - The AP Falsely Describes Zimmerman as "White"
The story of the grieving parents of Trayvon Martin demanding Zimmerman be arrested first achieves national attention on March 8 when CBS This Morning runs a report.
Later that same day, the Associated Press throws the first log on the racial fire by inaccurately describing Zimmerman as white.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/07/13/Media-Zimmerman-Coverage-Rap-Sheet
And then there's this...
That's why I went to MSNBC for a few minutes last night. They had some woman on there complaining about the makeup of the jury and how Travon was not represented and how convicted criminals and people who have experienced racism should have been on the jury. Like that would have made it a fair and impartial outcome.
Who was the REAL victim here - Truth, Justice, and the American Way?
The link below offers a very good cross-section of opinion on the verdict across America. I think this one pretty much sums up how many people view the trial and its result.
To me, this verdict isn't about race, American culture, guns, carry and conceal, or even vigilantism; it's about burden of proof.
Our legal system is designed so that the burden of proof is on the prosecution, and charges must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt before a conviction can be made and punishment from judgment carried out. Sometimes this system allows a guilty person to go free, but it is better than the alternative of jailing or killing those who are innocent. The prosecution didn't meet that burden of proof, so the legal system performed as it was designed to.
http://news.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-verdict-reaction-from-sanford--fla---and-across-the-country-021735167.html
And so it goes...
Richard
Agreed. The DA overcharged at second degree murder and the evidence didn't support it. I am very glad the jury made the right call. Surprised, but glad. Particularly with the judge being so transparently biased towards the prosecution.
The_Mentalist
07-14-2013, 08:16
That's why I went to MSNBC for a few minutes last night. They had some woman on there complaining about the makeup of the jury and how Travon was not represented and how convicted criminals and people who have experienced racism should have been on the jury. Like that would have made it a fair and impartial outcome.
Yet most of those that throw down the race card these days have no idea what racism actually is. It has been 50 years since the marches and passage of the civil rights act. Racism was rampant then (mostly from democrats) but today if anything does not go the way of reverse discrimination it is called discrimination. Entitlement mentality has made a mockery of the suffering from 50+ years ago and turned the accusation of discrimination into a joke.
One of the local MSN news crews just returned from a briefing at the Sanford Police Department .
They explained, in detail, with a 30 page power-point presentation, their preparations for the Zimmerman Verdict.
This effort was supervised by Holder's personal rep from the DoJ..
Ambush Master
07-14-2013, 09:25
One of the local MSN news crews just returned from a briefing at the Sanford Police Department .
They explained, in detail, with a 30 page power-point presentation, their preparations for the Zimmerman Verdict.
This effort was supervised by Holder's personal rep from the DoJ..
Shit, the DOJ started this WHOLE MESS!!!
Shit, the DOJ started this WHOLE MESS!!!
I thought it was George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin who "started this whole mess."
Richard
Ambush Master
07-14-2013, 10:43
I thought it was George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin who "started this whole mess."
Richard
Didn't you hear about the "Activists" that the DOJ sent down to stir up all of this?!?!?!
If the MSM and the citizens that are outraged would have accepted a Guilty verdict as fair and reasonable from this jury, then they must be willing to accept the Not Guilty verdict as well. :boohoo
Snaquebite
07-14-2013, 10:50
PISSES me off to see all these small kids with their protest signs.
I thought it was George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin who "started this whole mess."
Richard
They started it and the media ran with it. No winners here.
This may be a repost attachment (apologies of so). Rather than any news source looking at the whole picture, they each picked their villain.
Snaquebite
07-14-2013, 13:51
I am almost postive they will.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZKlMYeJE_AM
The Reaper
07-14-2013, 13:59
Hispanic man kills black man in self-defense shooting for which he is found not guilty.
How is this a civil rights crime, other than there are people who don't like the verdict?
Would the resources expended in this case not be better directed at those who are killing at a record pace in Chicago?
Is black on black crime to be ignored?
TR
Snaquebite
07-14-2013, 14:43
Remember the riots and protests after the OJ verdict?
Me neither....
Snaquebite
07-14-2013, 14:52
Jul 14, 4:02 PM EDT
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Justice Department says it is looking into the shooting death of Trayvon Martin to determine whether federal prosecutors should file criminal civil rights charges now that George Zimmerman has been acquitted in the state case.
The department opened an investigation into Martin's death last year but stepped aside to allow the state prosecution to proceed.
In a statement Sunday, the Justice Department said the criminal section of the civil rights division, the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's office for the Middle District of Florida are continuing to evaluate the evidence generated during the federal probe, in addition to the evidence and testimony from the state trial.
The statement said that, in the government's words, "experienced federal prosecutors will determine whether the evidence reveals a prosecutable violation."
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEIGHBORHOOD_WATCH_JUSTICE_DEPT_?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-07-14-16-02-34
Meanwhile hundreds of millions of people are not rioting.
Once again the media takes a play from the community agitator's handbook and runs with it. :rolleyes:
I believe, lawdogs correct me if I'm wrong, that the DOJ civil rights section will be reviewing this case. They need to find his civil rights, due to a racially motivated or hate crime scenario, were negated.
I can't imagine them finding standing in that scenario.
OTOH this is the Holder DOJ and since Z man is a creepy ass cracker it could come to pass.
I can't imagine them finding standing in that scenario.
I adamantly disagree. It is pretty clear to me that George Zimmermans civil rights were violated in a trial by media and kangaroo court.
The_Mentalist
07-14-2013, 19:47
I adamantly disagree. It is pretty clear to me that George Zimmermans civil rights were violated in a trial by media and kangaroo court.
I believe that the post you are disagreeing with was in reference to filing charges against Zimmerman and not working on his behalf.
This DOJ is so incredibly corrupt. Holder put out early on that he would not allow any civil rights prosecutions unless it was against blacks. This was after the black panther election crap happened. Holder is showing his true colors. Communist, racist, POS.
I believe that the post you are disagreeing with was in reference to filing charges against Zimmerman and not working on his behalf.
This DOJ is so incredibly corrupt. Holder put out early on that he would not allow any civil rights prosecutions unless it was against blacks. This was after the black panther election crap happened. Holder is showing his true colors. Communist, racist, POS.
MR2 was being a tad sarcastic and I tend to agree with him...the only ind who's racial civil rights were transgressed was Z's.
I refuse to use the sarcastic color type myself.....more interesting that way.
Transparency is the name of the game here.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/07/10/alan_dershowitz_i_would_find_zimmerman_not_guilty. html
http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2013/07/14/harvard-law-professor-alan-dershowitz-says-florida-prosecutor-in-zimmerman-case-should-be-disbarred/
lan Dershowitz, Harvard Law Professor, joined Newsmax host Steve Malzberg to discuss the Zimmerman trial, saying the prosecutor acted in an "utterly unprofessional manner" overcharging as a 2nd degree murder case for political reasons.
"I would say there's reasonable doubt. I would say nobody knows who started the initial fight," Dershowitz told "The Steve Malzberg Show" on Newsmax TV.
"Whether or not Zimmerman was a racist and racially profiled and shouldn’t have been doing it and didn’t listen to police, that's all irrelevant in Florida law," Dershowitz said.
ALAN DERSHOWITZ: Right, it is. She submitted an affidavit that was, if not perjurious, completely misleading. She violated all kinds of rules of the profession, and her conduct bordered on criminal conduct. She, by the way, has a horrible reputation in Florida. She’s known for overcharging, she’s known for being highly political. And in this case, of course she overcharged. Halfway through the trial she realized she wasn’t going to get a second degree murder verdict, so she asked for a compromised verdict, for manslaughter. And then, she went even further and said that she was going to charge him with child abuse and felony murder.
DOJ won't touch this case. In order to prove a civil rights violation you need to show 2 things: 1) a crime occurred and 2) the crime was based on discriminatory animus.
I've noticed that the Feds only take slamdunks. They let the state take the cases where city/county/fdle make arrests or cases where there's difficulty proving cases.
The key difference between state and fed prosecution is the discovery process and trial penalty. Brady violations are the rule in federal court. There's no discovery. However, in federal court usually everyone settles without a safety valve plea. Basically the state offers you 1-2 yrs in fed prison for a guilty plea or they promise charges carrying min mandatories of 10-15 yrs per count, consecutively served.
Holder is a piece of garbage but he doesn't want to lose and there's not any evidence here. At least the state could claim there's a dead 17 yr old and zimm shot him, albeit justified. The feds have literally nothing to show the death was because Tray Tray was black. Maybe if they had him saying the N word or witnesses from his past talking about how racist he was...but they have nothing.
The DOJ already investigated this case and decided not to bring charges. The Reverend JJ has no legal authority and central florida is sick of this case. There may be riots in LA/Oakland but the minorities north of Orlando know that any rioting will be met swiftly with bean bags to the face and robbery/attempted murder charges. That's assuming the good ol' boys don't blast them first in self-defense.
This verdict affirmed that Floridians will ensure a proper verdict and that the fear of riots will not sway them to acquiesce wrongful convictions to make the racial rabble rousers feel appeased.
uspsmark
07-15-2013, 09:18
Talked to a very close friend of mine in Sanford yesterday. He said it was appalling that the New Black Panthers were brought in. He said they were shown on local TV several times and he was hoping he might meet up with some of them trying to intimidate people. He told me that he would walk up to them and say, "You guys sure look bigger on TV" (My buddy is 6'9" and 270 pounds)! :)
Snaquebite
07-15-2013, 09:44
Had not seen nor heard a lot of this....:munchin
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/07/trayvon-martins-involvement-in-local-burglaries-covered-up-by-media-school-police-prosecutors.html
Had not seen nor heard a lot of this...
It was in the "news" - local, national, blogosphere - off and on throughout the entire episode.
Here're a couple:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/07/18832092-jurys-look-into-trayvon-martins-past-has-its-limits?lite
http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/5/13/zimmerman_attorneys_.html
http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?2440493-Prosecutors-Want-Trayvon-Martin-s-Violence-Drug-Use-Etc-Excluded-from-Trial
Richard
Ret10Echo
07-15-2013, 12:51
As recently as this morning, MSM was using the pre-teen Iimage of T.M. :mad:
TacOfficer
07-15-2013, 13:23
One case of self defense involving two minorities, has national consequences where the President of the The United States weights in publicly before any evidence has been heard. Yet a major breach of National Security occurs (Snowden) and POTUS tells the world, "I'm not going to have one case of a suspect who we're trying to extradite suddenly being elevated to the point where I've got to start doing wheeling and dealing".
I can't help but think that this whole scenario is being kept afloat by those that benefit from racial tensions. Whether it is the MSM, NAACP, ACLU or the local reverends seeking the lime light at the expense of those that would be injured, or arrested as a consequence of these provocations.
There are so many deaths in this city, (http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40295&highlight=chicago+gun), that results from far more egregious behavior, yet no moral public outcry. The hypocrisy is painful.
Predictions of riots and social upheaval have not come to fruition and the disappointment of the above is perceptible. Now the wait for the DOJ to rekindle the racist element is upon us and another chapter is hoped for.
I can't help but think that this whole scenario is being kept afloat by those that benefit from racial tensions.Yep.
I have not heard anything like, "he's wrong" or "that's not right", typical thug venting. I believe even the savages know what Travon was up to and got the wrong end of the barrel.
Now, don't misunderstand me, they wouldn't let a opportunity to [wreak] havoc on the community go to waste, I just don't see a huge ground swell developing.
:munchin
The benefit of the doubt always went to the savage.
I know of a couple of neighborhoods you are well equipped to deliver to.
So many sour grapes because they didn't get the verdict they wanted. If the verdict had been guilty, the MSM and Zimmerman haters would have been spouting off at how well the jury did in reaching a verdict.
"They" are determined to get their pound of flesh. Hope Zimmerman wins the civil suits that will be coming.
Looking at the current political climate and the way things are done with the NSA and other gov't entities, especially in regard to the Constitution, I think that the current administration has only one choice.
To counter the soon to be nation wide race riots, martial law must be declared and the executive branch must use emergency war-time power to omit the fifth amendment (and possibly all others) from the Constitution. Since we no longer need certain "rights", to move forward and make progress, this would allow a jury of peers (a.k.a. lynch mob) to try Mr. Zimmerman like a witch. If he's hung, shot, set on fire, or any combination of these and dies, he must be guilty.
Only by ensuring that we eliminate the laws and regulations that criminals hide behind, calling them inalienable rights can we ensure that travesties of justice and racial equality such as this never happen again.
Just a note... I cannot stand the idea of that much pink text, it makes my eyes hurt. Though I believe there are people who would follow these ideas all too gladly...:(
He will not win even if found in his favor. The cost of the civil suit even when you win is very expensive. Add to that the Feds looking at filing a civil rights case against him and he is screwd no matter what.
Yes, I am thinking more because of the principal of the thing.
With all the talk about the prosecution's handling of this case, is there any chance that Zimmerman could sue the state of Florida? I have no idea, but if I were Zimmerman, I might be calling Derschowitz to have a chat about it.
Looking at the current political climate and the way things are done with the NSA and other gov't entities, especially in regard to the Constitution, I think that the current administration has only one choice.
To counter the soon to be nation wide race riots, martial law must be declared and the executive branch must use emergency war-time power to omit the fifth amendment (and possibly all others) from the Constitution. Since we no longer need certain "rights", to move forward and make progress, this would allow a jury of peers (a.k.a. lynch mob) to try Mr. Zimmerman like a witch. If he's hung, shot, set on fire, or any combination of these and dies, he must be guilty.
Only by ensuring that we eliminate the laws and regulations that criminals hide behind, calling them inalienable rights can we ensure that travesties of justice and racial equality such as this never happen again.
Just a note... I cannot stand the idea of that much pink text, it makes my eyes hurt. Though I believe there are people who would follow these ideas all too gladly...:(
Yep. People don't realize all of us have the responsibility to remain vigilant that our rights are not trampled on. If we don't, the government we get will be the government we deserve.
The Reaper
07-15-2013, 21:43
Why not dedicate some of this energy and resources to solving the murder of a dozen people, from age six and up, who are largely black and are killed (by other blacks) pretty much every week in Chicago?
The Zimmerman shooting was lawful IAW Florida law. Assailant engaged with deadly force. No racism proven. End of story.
TR
TacOfficer
07-15-2013, 23:25
Why not dedicate some of this energy and resources to solving the murder of a dozen people, from age six and up, who are largely black and are killed (by other blacks) pretty much every week in Chicago?
The Zimmerman shooting was lawful IAW Florida law. Assailant engaged with deadly force. No racism proven. End of story.
TR
TR,
I'd be glad to see them "dedicate some of this energy and resources to solving the murder of a dozen people," from age six and under
TO
He will not win even if found in his favor. The cost of the civil suit even when you win is very expensive. Add to that the Feds looking at filing a civil rights case against him and he is screwd no matter what.
Lose lose lose.....blah blah blah.
Whatever happened to the possibility of GZ WINNING a civil suit? I personally think he could win a civil judgement, and win BIG. :munchin
bassbuckeye
07-16-2013, 05:40
I had this discussion/argument with neighbors....why doesn't anyone ever bring up the differences with in the white community?....We have had some issues in our neighborhood with minor break ins and a supposed van driving around scoping the area. (I decided to start a neighborhood watch and no shit some were scared because of the Zimmerman/Martin case). I can tell who does not belong n the neighborhood (mainly because its a small subdivision) and that includes white people. I have the same amount of suspicion of a creepy ass white guy with tats on his neck and a chin strap beard as I do of a black male with his pants around his ass and gold fronts. On the flip side we have several black families in the neighborhood and their kids (some young teen males) do not draw this type of suspicion. Its more than just a hoody.
Would Zimmerman have tailed a white guy with a dustache, a can of mountain dew, neck tats, and dirty fingernails? I believe he would have and if not he is stupid.
Point?: No one is crying for the meth head white trash
From my seat in the stadium, Zimmerman is nothing more than a 'Walter Mitty" law man...
...his delusional persona as a adjunct lawman got him into a bind that could have cost hi his life and resulted in the untimely death of another human being.
That being said, it seems that this modern day Walter Mitty would have traveled down that path with no regard to race, creed, color, religion, height, weight, or sexual orientation. He was out keepin' the wild west safe from the evil horde of burglars, rapists, car thieves, drug dealers and jewelry thieves.
Michael Jackson doesn't fuck little boys, OJ Simpson didnt kill his wife, and Rodney King was minding his own business but suddenly when the media can't steer the verdict through a stilted public opinion everyone is up in arms about our "broken" justice system.
...this sounds like a good reason for reasonable Americans on the other side of the continent to stop traffic, break car windows, and maybe even stage a raid on a WalMart to show what happens when the legal system fails.
dollarbill
07-16-2013, 07:14
Found this article where Goverment promoted protesting against Zimmerman. To me this sounds unconstitutional and illegal
http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/10/doj-provided-security-for-anti-zimmerman-protests/
The Reaper
07-16-2013, 10:21
I meant if martins family took him to court in a civil suit. The cost of defending himself in court would be very expensive and take years.
As for him taking the DA to court he could come out on top with milions.
Florida law provides immunity from civil suit for a legal shooting under the Stand your Ground Law.
TR
uspsmark
07-16-2013, 10:51
Florida law provides immunity from civil suit for a legal shooting under the Stand your Ground Law.
TR
My understanding was that his lawyers didn't invoke the "Stand Your Ground" law, just claimed self defense. My personal belief is, if you are aquitted in criminal court that should be the end of it. Seems like double jeapordy, even though the law says it isn't. The guy can't work or even leave the house without fear of retribution. I think he's been through way more than enough.
Here were the instructions to the jury...so I stand corrected, it does appear that the judge used the words "stand his ground"...
"At issue in this case is whether or not George Zimmerman in fact acted in self-defense. It is a defense to a crime of second degree murder or the lesser included offensive manslaughter if the death of Trayvon Martin resulted from the justifiable use of deadly force. Deadly force means, force likely to cause death or great bodily harm. A person is justified in using deadly force if he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm. If George Zimmerman was not engaged in unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."
Zimmerman's lawyer did say this on a television interview as well...
O'MARA: "Here are the most critical words, if you reasonably believe that you're about to suffer great bodily injury, you can react with deadly force. We all have that right. Stand your ground law doesn't matter. Every self-defense case allows you to react to great bodily injury with deadly force"
Interesting take...
'Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. would not wear a hoodie'
The niece of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. says she is not a fan of the viral image of her uncle wearing a hoodie in support of Trayvon Martin. The image, created by artist Nikkolas Smith and spread widely by activist Van Jones on Twitter, shows a contemplative King wearing the garment, which has become a symbol of support for the slain 17-year-old.
“I can almost promise you Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. would not wear a hoodie,” said Alveda King on the Andrea Tantaros radio show Tuesday when asked about the image. Alveda King is a former state representative in Georgia and a right-wing anti-abortion activist and minister.
King said she and two of her cousins are calling on Americans not to “fight or debate” about the case, which she thinks did not raise any significant racial issues. The 29-year-old neighborhood watchman who shot the unarmed Martin, George Zimmerman, was acquitted of all charges against him on Saturday. Zimmerman is half Hispanic, Martin was black. “You've got two grieving and hurting families,” King said, before quoting her uncle. “We all need to live together as brothers.”
Tantaros asked King if she had seen the hoodie photo. “What do you think of this image? And what would your uncle think?” she asked.
“Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. would very likely not wear a hoodie,” she said. “I can assure you he would not wear sagging pants. I don't even think I’ve ever even seen his sons with sagging pants.” King then said the verdict had been reached and that Americans must accept it, before adding again, seemingly agitated, “I can almost promise you Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. would not wear a hoodie.“
From Yahoo news... http://news.yahoo.com/mlk-s-niece-on-viral-hoodie-image---dr--martin-luther-king-jr--would-not-wear-a-hoodie--164608597.html
CNN: Zimmerman Prosecutor Excused Potential Black Juror for Being a Fox News Watcher
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/07/16/cnn-zimmerman-prosecutor-excused-potential-black-juror-being-fox-news#ixzz2ZEVhxF00
One of the details of the trial I didn't catch until now.
"....COSTELLO: Although if I remember correctly one of the prosecutors struck a black, a potential black juror from the jury.
MICHAEL SKOLNICK, POLITICAL DIRECTOR TO RUSSELL SIMMONS, CO-PRESIDENT GLOBALGRIND.COM: Yeah, he was also, I was just, he was also a Fox News watcher. So that was, you know, problematic for the prosecution......."
Ivy league professor claims God is a racist (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/16/upenn-professor-goes-on-blog-rant-over-zimmerman-verdict-claims-god-is-white/) (Fox link)
Snip:
An Ivy League professor blogged after George Zimmerman was found not guilty of murdering Trayvon Martin that the verdict shows God is a “white racist” who stalks “young black men.”
C'mon, really? These people "teach" others? Is this jagaloon the type of human a place of "higher education" hires? My sons are 11 and 2m, and I am very worried about what the future holds for them when they get to college. Maybe trade school is a better option :(
Ret10Echo
07-17-2013, 05:25
I am happy to see the leaders of the community stepping up to create divisiveness and instill anger and hatred.
It's what we need right now. Dr King would be proud.
For those with children approaching college-age. You had best pay attention to the "culture" of the institution you are going to pay for.
Trapper John
07-17-2013, 05:47
I have tried to refrain from forming an opinion on the Trayvon Martin - George Zimmerman case and just watch and listen until now. A few thoughts:
1. At the core, this is not about race. Interchange the principals and the outcome would be the same.
2. It has been made a race issue by (a) the media pandering to sensationalism and (b) the POTUS opining "Trayvon could have been my son".
3. "Never let a good crisis go to waste". Now the AG is being trotted out to attack Stand Your Ground Laws. Convenient distraction for the Administration mired in controversy and a back door way to effect Gun Control.
IMO this is an indictment of Neighborhood Watch programs. Take an untrained, LEO wannabe, arm him, and tell him to protect the neighborhood - voila, a disaster in the making.
Protection of our person and property is a personal responsibility. If we decide to delegate that responsibility, then it is incumbent upon us to properly select and train a Neighborhood Watch participant. IMO, the operative word here is "watch" not confront. Properly handled this never would have happened. IMO, this is negligence on the part of the Neighborhood Watch Committee and the city of Sanford, FL.
Now I see the Admin and the MSM stirring the pot. To what purpose, to what end? Makes me wonder...Hmmmm?
miclo18d
07-17-2013, 06:42
Protection of our person and property is a personal responsibility. If we decide to delegate that responsibility, then it is incumbent upon us to properly select and train a Neighborhood Watch participant. IMO, the operative word here is "watch" not confront. Properly handled this never would have happened. IMO, this is negligence on the part of the Neighborhood Watch Committee and the city of Sanford, FL.
Seems to me that Mr. GZ was trained enough. It was the State's DA that wasn't trained in the self-defense laws of Florida enough to reject political pressure to press charges against a man that just defended his life against a thug (just like his potential father, Dear Leader).
Protection of person and property IS a personal responsibility that I wish everyone in this country would understand however, in Florida you CAN use deadly force in protection of others and in some cases their property. This a State of Florida case that has been subjected to other states laws.
As far a rioting goes....the place that rioting is NOT happening is where this all took place!
My black neighbors were "rioting" by cutting their yard and waving at me yesterday! I almost shot them for it, being the racist that I am... to spite them, I just waved back!
Yep.
Well played. Too easy. :munchin
No riots here - in fact no national story here - doesn't fit the template.
"Jury Finds Roderick Scott Not Guilty"
http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/
"...............Scott says he acted in self defense when he confronted Cervini and two others saying they were stealing from neighbors cars. He told them he had a gun and ordered them to freeze and wait for police.
Scott says he shot Cervini twice when the victim charged toward him yelling he was going to get Scott...................."
At least we don't have to read about Cervini's parents telling about how he had just turned his life around and was going to be a Rap Star.
This is a dated story from 2009 but it was never covered the way Z man's trial was.
Didn't you hear about the "Activists" that the DOJ sent down to stir up all of this?!?!?!
No - but I heard about the DOJ sending some ffolkes from its CRS division to Sanford and their being labeled as "activists" sent to stir things up by the blogosphere.
Community Relations Service
The Community Relations Service (CRS) serves as “America's Peacemaker” for the U.S. Department of Justice. CRS helps local communities address community conflicts and tensions arising from differences of race, color, and national origin. CRS also helps communities develop strategies to prevent and respond to violent hate crimes committed on the basis of actual or perceived race, color, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, religion, or disability. CRS does not take sides in a dispute, and it does not investigate, prosecute, impose solutions, assign blame, or assess fault. By providing mediation, facilitation, training, and consulting services, CRS helps communities enhance their ability to independently prevent and resolve future conflicts.
http://www.justice.gov/crs/index.html
Richard
........No - but I heard about the DOJ sending some ffolkes from its CRS division to Sanford and their being labeled as "activists" sent to stir things up by the blogosphere........Richard[/COLOR]
DoJ? The DoJ calming the waters of racial tension?
Forgive me, I was laughing so hard I fell out of my chair.
TacOfficer
07-17-2013, 18:17
Well played. Too easy. :munchin
I feel used. :)
Trapper John
07-17-2013, 19:10
At least we don't have to read about Cervini's parents telling about how he had just turned his life around and was going to be a Rap Star.
This is a dated story from 2009 but it was never covered the way Z man's trial was.
But then again the POTUS didn't opine that Cervini could have been his son. ;)
Interesting take I didn't think about.
Here is something interesting that was discussed on CNN's Headline News the night of Saturday, July 13, 2013 (Still trying to locate video scrubbed by Google and CNN):
There really WAS a guilty verdict... Trayvon Martin is GUILTY of Aggravated Assault... As self-defense IS justifiable homicide. I wonder IF Trayvon Martin would have been brought to JUSTICE for his actions that night.
So, let's break this down:
There were actually two verdicts in the courtroom - 1 direct, and 1 implicitly implied.
#1 - George Zimmerman not guilty.
#2 - Trayvon Martin guilty of aggravated assault & battery with intent to kill or maim.
When the jury found George Zimmerman not guilty of second degree murder and manslaughter, they simultaneously found Trayvon Martin guilty of aggravated assault. CNN's Headline News stated that not only was the not guilty verdict read, but Trayvon was also convicted of aggravated assault due to Zimmerman proving his "self defense" case.
Zimmerman's acquittal indicates that he was justified in fearing for his life and using deadly force, and the obvious implication is that Trayvon Martin gave George Zimmerman reason to fear for his life.
The lawyer on the Legal Panel said Trayvon was convicted of aggravated assault and if he had survived he would have been sentenced for that. She added that that was going to help Zimmerman in his immunity options should there be a civil suit.
http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/media-blackout-trayvon-martin-was-found-guilty-of-aggravated-assault
I'm not worried (where me and mine are concerned) about race riots, but I'm fairly certain the framework of the Nation will collapse if the Democrats take the Senate in '14.
The current leadership has set a precedent of "sitting out" the mid-terms; possibly they may use the same strategem, and go for broke when it's Hillary comes out of the bullpen. Whether they win both sides, I look for them to pump her up like a blimp for 24 months.
The worst case is a Senate win, no lame duck, and all the stops removed for the two years leading up to the next election.
In that case, racial strife won't even be close to the big problem.
Time for the fenceriders to drop off on one side or the other and help us build a grassroots opposition. Our entire future as free men is at stake, big time.
The Reaper
07-18-2013, 16:59
Hard to do when people like Boehner, McCain, Graham, Rubio, and Company act more like Dims than Republicans.
Kind of like asking if you want to be hanged or shot to death.
Not much choice, and the outcome is the same, either way.
You want people to get off the fence, find candidates who can appeal to conservatives and independents alike. Not just Establishment Repubs.
TR
Hard to do when people like Boehner, McCain, Graham, Rubio, and Company act more like Dims than Republicans.
Kind of like asking if you want to be hanged or shot to death.
Not much choice, and the outcome is the same, either way.
You want people to get off the fence, find candidates who can appeal to conservatives and independents alike. Not just Establishment Repubs.
TR
Back to "lesser of two weevils".
We can't cut off our noses to spite our faces when we only have two choices. a la McCain-Romney vs. socialism.
People just stayed home during the election. What good does that do anybody?
People just stayed home during the election. What good does that do anybody?
Sitting it out only helped Obama and hurt the country.
Back to "lesser of two weevils".
We can't cut off our noses to spite our faces when we only have two choices. a la McCain-Romney vs. socialism.
People just stayed home during the election. What good does that do anybody?
Exactly. Sad that is what ist has come to when we don't have a good choice, just a less bad choice. I am hoping that the Repubs figure that out. I would even vote for a Dem if it was the "right" candidate. I don't think that will happen though, as I am a fiscal conservative, and a slightly more to the left social Dem, but still pretty far right.
Reagan's dead, sadly, and there's probably not another like him handy, right now.
We've got to stop the bleeding.
I'm honestly tired of spinning my wheels extolling Conservatism and the Constitution; I'm just about to the point with moderates to where I'm thinking, "Chump ain't wont na hep, chump ain't get na." (Ole school jive-Wiki will translate.)
Reagan's dead, sadly, and there's probably not another like him handy, right now.
We've got to start the bleeding.
I'm honestly tired of spinning my wheels extolling Conservatism and the Constitution; I'm just about to the point with moderates to where I'm thinking, "Chump ain't wont na hep, chump ain't get na." (Ole school jive-Wiki will translate.)
Fixed that for ya...
Back to "lesser of two weevils".
We can't cut off our noses to spite our faces when we only have two choices. a la McCain-Romney vs. socialism.
People just stayed home during the election. What good does that do anybody?
Yeah but....
McCain, Romney, Rubio, Graham, Bohner, McConnell and the rest of the lot......You gotta vote them to find out what their true intent is which up to this point is torturous pain and suffering. These worthless clowns can't even get to the bottom of Fast & Furious or Benghazi.
At least with Obama I know I am getting a shit sandwich and a quick death if the status quo is maintained.
There is no chance of escape and your choices are a quick bullet to the head or living a little longer under the supervision of a sadist with a dentist kit. Or maybe a better analogy is you are going to get ass raped no matter what, your only choice is whether it is with lube or without lube.
Or maybe a better analogy is you are going to get ass raped no matter what, your only choice is whether it is with lube or without lube.
Lol, and there is sand in the Vaseline.
Lol, and there is sand in the Vaseline.
LMAO!
There is no chance of escape.
Then why formuate and execute E&E plans?
May take a while to set things right, but, in accordance with what you, The Reaper and others are driving at, it would be simpler if we had a herd of reps who weren't afraid to stand up armored with the truth.
The Reaper
07-19-2013, 09:52
Then why formuate and execute E&E plans?
May take a while to set things right, but, in accordance with what you, The Reaper and others are driving at, it would be simpler if we had a herd of reps who weren't afraid to stand up armored with the truth.
Every time one steps forward, they turn in their balls and the Dims roll them.
Look at Rubio selling out. Bye-bye, integrity.
Who's next?
TR
Every time one steps forward, they turn in their balls and the Dims roll them.
Look at Rubio selling out. Bye-bye, integrity.
Who's next?
TR
Ideally, a whole new Tea Party-flavored crop will be ushered in.
Barring IRS or some other 3-letter interference...
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/19/Obama-Trayvon-could-be-me
Speaking at the White House on Friday, President Obama addressed the verdict in the George Zimmerman trial for the killing of Trayvon Martin for the first time since 2012, when he declared that if he had a son, he’d look like Martin. This time, Obama said, “Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago.”
Obama also said, “Reasonable doubt was relevant, and they rendered a verdict. Once the jury's spoken, that's how our system works.”
Obama said he was "bouncing around" ideas with his staff on how to respond to the Zimmerman verdict, adding, "I think it is going to be important for us to do some soul searching." Pushing against Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law, Obama stated, "If Trayvon Martin was of his age and armed, could he have stood his ground on that sidewalk?"
Finally, Obama went into the racial complexities of the Martin situation: "If a white male teen was involved in the same kind of scenario, both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different." He did say, "As difficult and as challenging as this whole episode has been, I don't want us to lose sight that things are getting better...We're becoming a more perfect union, not a perfect union, but a more perfect union."
PedOncoDoc
07-19-2013, 12:48
Finally, Obama went into the racial complexities of the Martin situation: "If a white male teen was involved in the same kind of scenario, both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different." He did say, "As difficult and as challenging as this whole episode has been, I don't want us to lose sight that things are getting better...We're becoming a more perfect union, not a perfect union, but a more perfect union."
We need a "throwing the BS flag" emoticon.
To the highlighted text, I give you the case of Roderick Scott (http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/), a black man, who killed a 17 year old white teen who charged him after he confronted the teen and his friends who were stealing from/vandalzing cars. Verdict: Not guilty; self defense.
uspsmark
07-19-2013, 12:52
We need a "throwing the BS flag" emoticon.
To the highlighted text, I give you the case of Roderick Scott (http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/), a black man, who killed a 17 year old white teen who charged him after he confronted the teen and his friends who were stealing from/vandalzing cars. Verdict: Not guilty; self defense.
But...the white teen was stealing and vandalizing, poor little Tray Tray was just eating Skittles and minding his own business...
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/19/Obama-Trayvon-could-be-me
I was thinking about why he decided to inject himself into the Friday news cycle. What news story is the Administration trying to bury. They must have Susan Rice lined up for the Sunday talk shows. Is it the push towards the a Select Committee on Benghazi? or the revelation that the IRS scandal reaches the Special Counsels office? or is it...
Nope, they are afraid that the mullahs will nuke us and in order to appease Iran, he had to speak up. Iran's mullahs demand justice for Trayvon... (http://freebeacon.com/irans-mullahs-demand-justice-for-trayvon/)
We need a "throwing the BS flag" emoticon.
To the highlighted text, I give you the case of Roderick Scott (http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/), a black man, who killed a 17 year old white teen who charged him after he confronted the teen and his friends who were stealing from/vandalzing cars. Verdict: Not guilty; self defense.
Many Afro-Americans, apparently, are still stinging from slavery, Jim Crow and other atrocities.
Apart from electing an Afro-American to rule the Country, I'm at a loss as to what else whites could do to assuage that hatred.
It's a hatred that regular Americans who happen to be black don't appear to share.
It has always seemed contradictory/hypocritical to me; especially in the instance of hatred for Conservative blacks by liberal Afro-Americans such as those in the NAACP, the Right Reverends of Some Church Somewhere Jackson and Sharpton and white liberals.
Hypocrisy must be OK, new school.
"The fact that a lot of African American boys are painted with a broad brush and the excuses given 'well, there are these statistics out there that show that African American boys are more violent,' using that as an excuse to then see sons treated different causes pain."
To combat these larger social issues, President Obama offered three broad suggestions:
1. Get the Justice Department involved with training local governments to reduce mistrust in the legal system. (It's worth remembering that this episode started over an outcry that Zimmerman wasn't arrested at all after the incident.)- (In other words, the cops acted stupidly again?)
2. Examine local laws -- such as "Stand Your Ground" -- and see if they "may encourage the kinds of altercations and confrontations and tragedies that we saw in the Florida case rather than diffuse potential altercations." (In other words, abolish common-sense 2d Ammendment laws)
3. Think about ways to bolster and reinforce African American boys so they do not get caught up in the legal system (as the statistics indicate they are more likely to be). (Try getting them off welfare and out looking for a job instead of hanging around the choom club, flashmobbing Nike stores or thinking that educating themselves is a "white" thing to do. Teach them right from wrong and that the world doesn't owe them a living. Teach them that if you want to have a baby, make sure you're married and have a job to support the child first, so that society doesn't have to raise it.)
Despite the discriminatory experiences Obama described, African Americans perceive less discrimination in some areas today than they did ten and twenty years ago, according to the results of a new Gallup survey. A shrinking share of blacks blame discrimination for black-white disparities in jobs, income and housing.
(That's because entitlement has reached a saturation point. Nobody HAS to work-black or white- to get income, housing, health care, a cellphone, blah.)
Stargazer
07-19-2013, 13:35
I find this troubling at best. With all the important matters facing our nation, the issues that bring the POTUS to the pulpit are startling. His ineptitude as President becomes clearer to me every day.
I was thinking about why he decided to inject himself into the Friday news cycle. What news story is the Administration trying to bury. They must have Susan Rice lined up for the Sunday talk shows. Is it the push towards the a Select Committee on Benghazi? or the revelation that the IRS scandal reaches the Special Counsels office? or is it...
Nope, they are afraid that the mullahs will nuke us and in order to appease Iran, he had to speak up. Iran's mullahs demand justice for Trayvon... (http://freebeacon.com/irans-mullahs-demand-justice-for-trayvon/)
Outstanding point.
The media is hoping all the useful idiots have forgotten the scandals that in a Conservative administration would have been screaming headline news day in and day out since Benghazi, F&F, IRS, DOJ, AP and other brouhahas leaked.
In a non-prejudiced and non-propagandized news environment we would hear more about real political misdeeds than MiCy's short shorts.
Ret10Echo
07-19-2013, 13:43
I find this troubling at best. With all the important matters facing our nation, the issues that bring the POTUS to the pulpit are startling. His ineptitude as President becomes clearer to me every day.
The community organizer.... nothing substantive... a little bit of show...a distraction or two. Moving on.
I'm wondering if the professional Left are thinking that they can manipulate this "Trayvon" thing into a form of an 'American Spring'?
Using the 'never let a crisis' philosophy to mobilize Progressives and still guilty whites, the media drumbeat lie of persistent racism to mobilize blacks, coupled with the record heat wave - we may be looking at another 1968.
The thing is, when a 'movement' starts roiling on it's own - it is impossible to direct, let alone stop. Riots (real or created) could just be an unintended (planned for) possibility to take advantage of too.
The thing is, when a 'movement' starts roiling on it's own - it is impossible to direct, let alone stop.
You know, if you think about it, the majority of black Americans don't have any desire to cause trouble. They make up, what, 13% of the population as a whole? Probably most of the males between 17 and 30 are incarcerated in the cities where there would be problems. I don't see how anything big could come of it, even with the huge portion of the white population (liberals) "acting up". What are they gonna do-boycott the judicial system?
There was a trial, Zimmerman was acquitted, and he's Hispanic.
No matter how hard they try to spin this into a black/white conflict, they'd have an uphill climb.
I think they're just popping smoke on the serious scandals.
I'm wondering if the professional Left are thinking that they can manipulate this "Trayvon" thing into a form of an 'American Spring'?
Using the 'never let a crisis' philosophy to mobilize Progressives and still guilty whites, the media drumbeat lie of persistent racism to mobilize blacks, coupled with the record heat wave - we may be looking at another 1968.
The thing is, when a 'movement' starts roiling on it's own - it is impossible to direct, let alone stop. Riots (real or created) could just be an unintended (planned for) possibility to take advantage of too.
I think it is exactly what Dusty and in another thread Trapper John already mentioned -- while everyone keeps this alive, we don't talk about Benghazi, IRS, etc. What are the actual et cetera we are missing?
Getting DOJ involved keeps fanning the flames and attention away from .... :confused:
I think it is exactly what Dusty and in another thread Trapper John already mentioned -- while everyone keeps this alive, we don't talk about Benghazi, IRS, etc. What are the actual et cetera we are missing?
Getting DOJ involved keeps fanning the flames and attention away from .... :confused:
...while simultaneously connecting with his base, who are probably mostly anti-Zimmerman, by appearing to side with them against the antagonists while not actually assuming command and control of anything.
That's his MO.
...while simultaneously connecting with his base, who are probably mostly anti-Zimmerman, by appearing to side with them against the antagonists while not actually assuming command and control of anything.
That's his MO.
I agree that makes sense, but his base has no where else to go. So throwing them a bone doesn't do too much. He does more by trying to appeal to the middle and this is driving the middle /independents to the right.... in the fast lane. No moderate or business person wants this in the news everyday.
Of course, he may dislike HRC more than he likes Democrats winning. He may be not only the NRA's best recruiter, he may be the Republican's best one as well.
I agree that makes sense, but his base has no where else to go. So throwing them a bone doesn't do too much. He does more by trying to appeal to the middle and this is driving the middle /independents to the right.... in the fast lane.
It took him nearly a week to make a statement. IMO it was one that was researched via focus polling to the nth degree, then hashed over and rehashed until his handlers distilled it into those words.
In other words, they felt more voters were disappointed by the verdict than agreed with it, and that votes he needs next year will come from that segment.
GratefulCitizen
07-19-2013, 21:18
35 years ago it could've been him?!?
Ummm... no.
If it were him jumping the neighborhood watch guy 35 years ago, the outcome would've been much different.
The neighborhood watch guy would eat the first punch, laugh, and respond with a bitch-slap.
The president sure does think highly of his martial prowess.
One thing that sets it for me is, I may have even read it here in a post. "A brown man kills a black (Afro-Amer) man, and the white man gets the blame....WTF?!?!
Yup, never let a crisis go to waste...
And what's this "Social Engineer" thing that the lawyer stated (was on the Blaze coupla days ago). Are they trying to "engineer" the social state of America to mold people into their way of thinking???
The POTUS has no cause (personal opinion) to inject his personal "feelings/thoughts" to agitate and clearly support one side of the issue. He should have stood for the justice that was served by the FL court..
Way to support a state bro...or NOT
I am so confused. First, POTUS says Trayvon could have been his son, then later he says HE could have been Trayvon. Which is it??? So POTUS, as a teen, was a wannabe gangsta, juvenile delinquent who was willing to kill a man by bashing his head in?
This witch hunt against Zimmerman really sickens me. As our legal system is set up to do so, and has worked successfully (for the most part) for the last couple of hundred years plus, accept the jury's verdict and move on. Let it go.
But it seems POTUS and Holder have locked on to this story to further their anti-gun agenda, and are willing to push for riots and mayhem, and possibly more people dying, just to further said agenda.
I saw on Facebook that Zimmerman should change his name to Ben Ghazi, and then the press, POTUS, et al would leave him alone. Brilliant.
Trapper John
07-20-2013, 05:54
We have a consulate attacked, an Ambassador and 2 former SEALs killed, a Jihadi glamorized on the cover of Rolling Stone - and we have our tits in the wringer over this kerfuffle?
Speaks volumes as to the state of our society today IMO.:mad:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEIGHBORHOOD_WATCH_RALLIES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-07-20-08-31-03
ATLANTA (AP) -- One week after a Florida jury found George Zimmerman not guilty in the death of unarmed teen Trayvon Martin, rallies are scheduled in 100 cities to press for civil rights charges against the former neighborhood watch leader.
Zimmerman claimed self-defense after shooting Martin during an altercation. The case has become a flashpoint in national debates over guns, race relations and self-defense laws. Zimmerman identifies as Hispanic. Martin was black.
The Rev. Al Sharpton's National Action Network has organized the "Justice for Trayvon" rallies and vigils outside federal buildings from New York and Los Angeles to Des Moines, Iowa, and Little Rock, Ark. He wants the Justice Department to pursue a case.
The group says Martin's mother and brother will attend the New York event. His father will appear in Miami.
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medic&commo
07-20-2013, 07:44
We have a consulate attacked, an Ambassador and 2 former SEALs killed, a Jihadi glamorized on the cover of Rolling Stone - and we have our tits in the wringer over this kerfuffle?
Speaks volumes as to the state of our society today IMO.:mad:
Yes it does.
Add to that such actions as Chris Matthews apologizing for all white people.
Stop. Just as Jackson or Sharpton don't speak for all black people.
I am prejudice, against stupid people - of any color, race, sex, age, religion.
m&c
This is Florida for heavens sake, where nonwhites make up almost half the population - or more - depending on the time of year. It is not a stretch to suggest that Blacks and Whites and Hispanics, etc., etc., peacefully interact and coexist throughout Florida on a daily basis.
Obama, Holder and the propaganda arm of the Democrats have inexcusably allowed the race baiters and hucksters to lead the way and Obama and Holder have personally fanned the flames of racial divide in this country.
The bash mobs and the meyhem that ensues...
Well, it is on their hands.
In this age of seemingly no government accountability that probably does not mean very much.
We newskool.
I am so confused. First, POTUS says Trayvon could have been his son, then later he says HE could have been Trayvon. Which is it??? So POTUS, as a teen, was a wannabe gangsta, juvenile delinquent who was willing to kill a man by bashing his head in?
This witch hunt against Zimmerman really sickens me. As our legal system is set up to do so, and has worked successfully (for the most part) for the last couple of hundred years plus, accept the jury's verdict and move on. Let it go.
But it seems POTUS and Holder have locked on to this story to further their anti-gun agenda, and are willing to push for riots and mayhem, and possibly more people dying, just to further said agenda.
I saw on Facebook that Zimmerman should change his name to Ben Ghazi, and then the press, POTUS, et al would leave him alone. Brilliant.
He is a man for all occasions, a pitch man, one that will lock on to any story to get some face time to push an agenda......but those agendas are just a means of achieving his agenda.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEIGHBORHOOD_WATCH_RALLIES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-07-20-08-31-03
ATLANTA (AP) -- One week after a Florida jury found George Zimmerman not guilty in the death of unarmed teen Trayvon Martin, rallies are scheduled in 100 cities to press for civil rights charges against the former neighborhood watch leader.
Zimmerman claimed self-defense after shooting Martin during an altercation. The case has become a flashpoint in national debates over guns, race relations and self-defense laws. Zimmerman identifies as Hispanic. Martin was black.
The Rev. Al Sharpton's National Action Network has organized the "Justice for Trayvon" rallies and vigils outside federal buildings from New York and Los Angeles to Des Moines, Iowa, and Little Rock, Ark. He wants the Justice Department to pursue a case.
The group says Martin's mother and brother will attend the New York event. His father will appear in Miami.
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A potential 100 Tahrir Squares, thousands of people in the midst of which are agent provocateurs, the scene gets rowdy, Law Enforcement reacts and we have can ourselves a Trayvon Spring.
If Sharpton and Holder were get there way, Blacks can run around with impunity performing ethnic cleansing........the far extreme of Affirmative Action and the EEOC.
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It's days (and Threads) like this that I miss Teddy the most. :(
It's days (and Threads) like this that I miss Teddy the most. :(
Very true.
Then why formuate and execute E&E plans?
May take a while to set things right, but, in accordance with what you, The Reaper and others are driving at, it would be simpler if we had a herd of reps who weren't afraid to stand up armored with the truth.
Then why formuate and execute E&E plans?
May take a while to set things right, but, in accordance with what you, The Reaper and others are driving at, it would be simpler if we had a herd of reps who weren't afraid to stand up armored with the truth.
Well the situation is grave and the circumstances are not likely to change as long as the game is allowed to play on. We are stuck in this process of campaigns, promises we'll be there and then once elected they are nowhere to be found.
The US is like one huge Battered Womens Shelter and the citizens have two abusive Pimp Daddy's the DNC and RNC to choose from. They both have a long history of bitch slapping us, yet we continually run from one to the other for the answers.
All we have to hear is Oh that was last time, I have changed and it will never happen again....I am here for you :rolleyes:
The current political environment is one of serial abuse. If you have any sense of self respect you will grow tired of the neglect and you quit participating in the game.....that is the only way to end the cycle of abuse.
I think you have 2 legal choices:
1. Continue trying to work on the relationship, but with the history we have there are 99.9999% odds of relapse and continued abuse.
2. Walk away, terminate the relationship and work on finding something that doesn't abuse you.
And number 3, the Non-Legal, Do unto others as they have done unto you....but worse route.
It's days (and Threads) like this that I miss Teddy the most. :(
RIP, Teddy. Here's one for you. :D
The binary code messages are great - the first refers to the article's author, the second refers to the GWOT, and the third refers to a USMC joke that's been passing around the Corps since it began Dec 2005 at FOB Hit in Iraq.
Richard
Reaper Drone Found Not Guilty In Death Of American Teenager
DB, 15 July 2013
A U.S. federal jury has found an MQ-9 Reaper drone not guilty of second degree murder and manslaughter in the aerial bombing death of a young American teenager, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, who was killed in Yemen in October 2011.
As the verdict was read, the defendant YIPPEEKIYAY-88 sat motionless in the courtroom with a blank expression, its onboard camera swiveling back and forth between the jury and its operator, Capt. Ted Slaughter, who would have faced charges as an accessory to murder had there been a conviction.
Outside, dozens of supportive Reaper and Predator drones, waving signs like “01010000 01100001 01110101 01101100″ and “01100111 00101101 01101000 01100001 01100100″, flew back and forth over the courthouse.
Awlaki family attorney Gul Haji Rachman gave a tearful speech to reporters, in which he vowed the fight was not over.
“Today, we are all Abdulrahman al-Awlaki,” Rachman said, as he donned traditional Yemeni garb of a zenneh, jambiya, and RPG-7. “This Reaper was clearly targeting this young boy, just walking around the neighborhood, minding his business with a bushel of khat,” he added, shortly before he himself was killed in a drone strike.
While the drone strike was originally written off by investigators as just another routine bombing, it gained traction following a massive public backlash. At one point U.S. President Barack Obama gave a televised address, vowing “to get to the bottom of this” and exclaiming, “If I had a son, he’d look like Abdulrahman al-Awlaki.”
During court proceedings, YIPPEEKIYAY-88 maintained its innocence, saying that Awlaki had attacked it first, and displaying pictures of its cracked camera as proof that it was acting in self-defense.
“01010111 01100001 01100111 01101110 01100101 01110010 00100000 01101100 01101111 01110110 01100101 01110011 00100000 01100011 01101111 01100011 01101011,” it said while being cross-examined, prompting prosecuting attorney Maria Markovic to demand, “And how exactly is that relevant?”
The prosecution called the drone a “wannabe vigilante,” arguing that it had no business flying over another country with its own army and police force. They also played tapes of YIPPEEKIYAY-88′s operator calling Langley, Va. to report his suspicions of al-Awlaki — at one point muttering, “fucking terrorists” — which some see as a clear case of profiling.
“We see a lot of suspicious activity patrolling over Yemen, sure,” Capt. Slaughter said in an interview with police, “but this kid was acting really strange. He was peering into mud huts, walking around aimlessly, and appeared to be speaking in Arabic: clearly up to no good.”
“When YIPPEEKIYAY-88 told me it was going out of his flight path to pursue him, I told it, ‘you don’t need to do that.’ We can always hit him on the way back to base.”
The trial itself was relatively brief: just three weeks of testimony. Legal experts also believe the prosecution’s case fell apart after a key witness was tragically incinerated by a 500 lb bomb while sitting in her bathtub.
At press time, the father of Awlaki could not be reached for comment.
http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/07/reaper-drone-acquitted-in-death-of-american-teenager/#ixzz2Zmb3j5JO
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-rescue/storynew?id=19735432
George Zimmerman, who has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin, emerged to help rescue someone who was trapped in an overturned truck, police said today.
Sanford Police Department Capt. Jim McAuliffe told ABC News that Zimmerman "pulled an individual from a truck that had rolled over" at the intersection of a Florida highway last week. Florida Highway Patrol is now handling the case, McAuliffe said.
The crash occurred at the intersection of I-4 and route 417, police said. The crash site is less than a mile from where he shot Martin.
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You think we'll be seeing a Presidential Medal of Freedom for this outstanding citizen anytime soon?
Anyone remember the old Twilight Zone episode - The Obsolete Man (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734667/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1)?
Folks had fun all day on twitter with the GZ rescue story. Using the hashtag #MSNBCTonight, they tweeted out hilarious guesses as to how MSNBC would attempt to re-spin GZ heroics in their nighttime programs.
Twitchy wrote about it: http://tinyurl.com/mz593my
Some favorites:
Obama and Holder now urging legislators to make sure Zimmerman can never rescue people again.
If only Florida had repealed its "Good Samaritan" law we could have skipped covering Zimmerman's truck heroics.
BREAKING: George Zimmerman makes second appearance after acquittal and delivers the #RoyalBaby.
I was always taught if a creepy cracka approaches you & asks you to fake a car accident for him for money, you just say no.
Would truck have overturned if Zimmerman had not been following it?
What really gets me is that the same people that believe the media's portrayal of Zimmerman as a racist now won't believe the same media.
On #MSNBCTonight Obama talks about his truck accident 35 years ago.
Zimmerman acts out crazed fireman fantasy in broad daylight. Maddow asks if he can be stopped.
Al Sharpton asks "What was that racist cracker doing running that truck off the road in the first place."
Car Rescues: Zimmerman 1, Kennedy 0
No evidence that Zimmerman is a racist, but solid evidence he is a genuinely good guy. Obama, Sharpton, Jackson, CNN, MSNBC hardest hit.
A provocative and passionate message from Bill O'Reilly to President Obama - I don't always agree with O'Reilly but IMO he makes some solid points regarding this complicated issue in his brief monologue at link below.
July 22, 2013
President Obama and the race problem
Talking Points 7/22
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/index.html
A provocative and passionate message from Bill O'Reilly to President Obama - I don't always agree with O'Reilly but IMO he makes some solid points regarding this complicated issue in his brief monologue at link below.
July 22, 2013
President Obama and the race problem
Talking Points 7/22
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/index.html
I agree with you. I like Bill O'Reilly, don't always agree with him and think he is sometimes over the top, but I think he was spot on in this message. This commentary was fair and balanced. It is also the same thing Bill Cosby has been saying about his own race for years. Jackson, Sharpton, and POTUS should listen and take heed.
You won't see this on the mainstream media:
6:22
Trayvon, with his hoodie up, grabs two items from the shelves of 7-11. One is the Skittles. The other is Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail. The media avoid the name of the real drink -- possibly because of the racial implications of the word "watermelon," but possibly to avoid probing the real reason for Trayon's trip.
Trayvon, in fact, had become a devotee of the druggy concoction known as "Lean," also known in southern hip-hop culture as "Sizzurp" and "Purple Drank." Lean consists of three basic ingredients -- codeine, a soft drink, and candy. If his Facebook postings are to be believed, Trayvon had been using Lean since at least June 2011.
On June 27, 2011, Trayvon asks a friend online, "unow a connect for codien?" He tells the friend that "robitussin nd soda" could make "some fire ass lean." He says, "I had it before" and that he wants "to make some more." On the night of February 26, if Brandy had some Robitussin at home, Trayvon had just bought the mixings for one "fire ass lean" cocktail.
Trapper John
07-23-2013, 14:22
You won't see this on the mainstream media:
6:22
Trayvon, with his hoodie up, grabs two items from the shelves of 7-11. One is the Skittles. The other is Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail. The media avoid the name of the real drink -- possibly because of the racial implications of the word "watermelon," but possibly to avoid probing the real reason for Trayon's trip.
Trayvon, in fact, had become a devotee of the druggy concoction known as "Lean," also known in southern hip-hop culture as "Sizzurp" and "Purple Drank." Lean consists of three basic ingredients -- codeine, a soft drink, and candy. If his Facebook postings are to be believed, Trayvon had been using Lean since at least June 2011.
On June 27, 2011, Trayvon asks a friend online, "unow a connect for codien?" He tells the friend that "robitussin nd soda" could make "some fire ass lean." He says, "I had it before" and that he wants "to make some more." On the night of February 26, if Brandy had some Robitussin at home, Trayvon had just bought the mixings for one "fire ass lean" cocktail.
Your sense of smell really has improved now hasn't it Bro? :D
TrapLine
07-24-2013, 12:16
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-rescue/storynew?id=19735432
George Zimmerman, who has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin, emerged to help rescue someone who was trapped in an overturned truck, police said today.
Sanford Police Department Capt. Jim McAuliffe told ABC News that Zimmerman "pulled an individual from a truck that had rolled over" at the intersection of a Florida highway last week. Florida Highway Patrol is now handling the case, McAuliffe said.
Snip
It seems some important couple in the UK took note and honored Mr. Zimmerman with the name of their new son:eek:
Your sense of smell really has improved now hasn't it Bro? :D
Yea, I could smell BS from a mile away before, now I can smell it from anywhere in the world. Splints come out tomorrow! :lifter
He is a man for all occasions, a pitch man, one that will lock on to any story to get some face time to push an agenda......but those agendas are just a means of achieving his agenda.
Here's a different view of the POTUS' actions on this.
The President took a political risk because the spiritual and moral risk of not speaking to black pain was too great.
Richard
Viewpoint: The Bravery of Obama’s Trayvon Speech
Toure', Time, 23 July 2013
The political risks in the President speaking at length about Trayvon Martin and his feelings about the continuing challenges of being a black man in modern America were innumerable.
This is radioactive stuff. It doesn’t matter that he’ll never again be up for election. Obama still has years left in office and a hyperpartisan political environment to navigate. He’s become something of an invisible-hand President, often working back channels, because if he sticks a flag in the ground and demands action, congressional Republicans will then see greater incentive in defeating it. There was no policy proposal attached, but race remains such a key part of American political life that speaking about it so bluntly and at the same time with great nuance could widen the already vast political chasm. Validating black pain, asserting that profiling is real and saying that history is not an excuse but an honest part of why we are in the place we’re in are dangerous stuff when one party depends on a multiracial coalition and the other is almost entirely white and the demographic trends of America show whites becoming a minority within a few decades.
It was a treacherous speech politically because for one part of the divide the answer to black pain is: get over it, as Representative Andy Harris recently said. Racism is in the past, white privilege is a myth, profiling is a ghost: Doesn’t Obama’s election prove we’re beyond all that? The President knows better. He asked, in his 19-minute address, that black pain be acknowledged, that internalized bias be taken seriously, that history be understood as not done with us yet.
The assertion that blacks are hallucinating or making excuses or lying when we talk about the many very real ways white privilege and racial bias and the lingering impact of history effect our lives is painful. It adds insult to injury to attack all assertions of racism and deny its continued impact or existence. The right acts as though decades of rejection of the vast majority of the black electorate is evidence of some sort of plantation thinking rather than the inevitable response to the southern strategy and policies and rhetoric blacks find insulting. What do you mean “Stand your ground” or voter ID or immigration reform or the entitlement debate has racial tones? You’re injecting race! Playing the race card! It is like signal jamming: attack the transmission because you cannot win an argument that admits its existence. To these folks, George Zimmerman is a victim (several essays have spoken of all this as the lynching of Zimmerman). To them, race had nothing to do with this trial and now Obama has become the Race Baiter in Chief. Now he can be attacked on entirely new ground: as an apologist for black victimhood or a shameless stoker of racial division or maybe a neo–Black Panther.
Politically speaking, Obama took that risk because the spiritual or moral risk of saying nothing was too great. To have the microphone and the intellect and the personal experience and a community of citizens in pain — to have all that and say nothing would be a dereliction of duty. It would mean that the black President had somehow been cowed into not speaking deeply about blackness at a moment of national strife because it was, what, too controversial? Perhaps Zimmerman’s acquittal was the only verdict possible given the paucity of evidence and the jury instructions shaped by “Stand your ground” which give so much leeway to self-defenders who feel afraid even if, as the judge instructed, “the danger is not real.”
But Obama knew we cannot understand the pain many feel around this verdict by narrowing the lens and seeing this as an isolated incident, isolated from American history, isolated from American racial norms. We are in pain now because once again we’ve been told black bodies are worth less and we are not full Americans, and fear of black bodies is reasonable and it’s our problem to manage. Obama delicately touched on all that so there’s deep, cathartic power in the President reaching down for his perch to say, I could have been Trayvon, any of us could. And perhaps unsaid though, not unheard, is this: He could’ve been me. No one would’ve thought Barry from the Choom Gang would become President. Who’s to know what Trayvon would’ve become? I am optimistic about the brother’s imaginary future even as I admit that institutional racism would’ve been an anchor weighing him down. But I’m growing more cynical about my country. Even as a boy lies dead and a President says, I too have been profiled, part of the nation still speaks of race as a flimsy playing card they rebuke. Forgive me for wondering if Obama was right when he said we’re moving forward.
http://ideas.time.com/2013/07/22/viewpoint-the-bravery-of-obamas-trayvon-speech/#ixzz2aLOzcDql
Here's a different view of the POTUS' actions on this.
So says Touré, one of the New Grand Wizards of MSNBC writing in Time Online. :rolleyes:
Some observations that may differ slightly from MSNBC's Touré.
Excerpts below - complete article at link.
Facing Facts about Race
Posted on July 23, 2013
From VDH - Private Papers
Young black males are at greater risk from their peers than from the police or white civilians.
by Victor Davis Hanson // National Review Online
Last week President Obama weighed in again on the Trayvon Martin episode. Sadly, most of what he said was wrong, both literally and ethically.
Pace the president, the Zimmerman case was not about Stand Your Ground laws. It was not a white-on-black episode. The shooting involved a Latino of mixed heritage in a violent altercation with a black youth.
Is it ethical for the president to weigh in on a civil-rights case apparently being examined by his own Justice Department? The president knows that if it is true that African-American males are viewed suspiciously, it is probably because statistically they commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime. If that were not true, they might well be given no more attention as supposed suspects than is accorded to white, Asian, or Latino youths. Had George Zimmerman been black, he would have been, statistically at least, more likely to have shot Trayvon Martin — and statistically likewise less likely to have been tried.
Barack Obama knows that if non-African-Americans were to cease all inordinate scrutiny of young African-American males, the latters’ inordinate crime rates would probably not be affected — given other causation for disproportionate incidences of criminality. Yet should their statistical crime profiles suddenly resemble those of other racial and ethnic groups, the so-called profiling would likely cease.
The president, I think, spoke out for three reasons: 1) He is an unbound, lame-duck president, with a ruined agenda, facing mounting ethical scandals; from now on, he will say things more consonant with being a community organizer than with being a nation’s president; 2) he knows the federal civil-rights case has little merit and cannot be pursued, and thus wanted to shore up his bona fides with an aggrieved black community; and 3) as with the ginned-up “assault-weapons ban” and the claim that Republicans are waging a “war on women,” Obama knows, as a community activist, that tension can mask culpability — in his case, the utter failure to address soaring unemployment in the inner city, epidemic black murder rates, the bankruptcy of Detroit, and the ways his failed economic policies disproportionately affect inner-city youth.
Attorney General Eric Holder earlier gave an address to the NAACP on the Zimmerman trial. His oration was likewise not aimed at binding wounds. Apparently he wanted to remind his anguished audience that because of the acquittal of Zimmerman, there still is not racial justice in America.
Holder noted in lamentation that he had to repeat to his own son the lecture that his father long ago gave him. The sermon was about the dangers of police stereotyping of young black males. Apparently, Holder believes that the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Yet I fear that for every lecture of the sort that Holder is forced to give his son, millions of non-African-Americans are offering their own versions of ensuring safety to their progeny.
In my case, the sermon — aside from constant reminders to judge a man on his merits, not on his class or race — was very precise.
First, let me say that my father was a lifelong Democrat. He had helped to establish a local junior college aimed at providing vocational education for at-risk minorities, and as a hands-on administrator he found himself on some occasions in a physical altercation with a disaffected student. In middle age, he and my mother once were parking their car on a visit to San Francisco when they were suddenly surrounded by several African-American teens. When confronted with their demands, he offered to give the thieves all his cash if they would leave him and my mother alone. Thankfully they took his cash and left.
I think that experience — and others — is why he once advised me, “When you go to San Francisco, be careful if a group of black youths approaches you.” Note what he did not say to me. He did not employ language like “typical black person.” He did not advise extra caution about black women, the elderly, or the very young — or about young Asian Punjabi, or Native American males. In other words, the advice was not about race per se, but instead about the tendency of males of one particular age and race to commit an inordinate amount of violent crime.
It was after some first-hand episodes with young African-American males that I offered a similar lecture to my own son. The advice was born out of experience rather than subjective stereotyping. When I was a graduate student living in East Palo Alto, two adult black males once tried to break through the door of my apartment — while I was in it. On a second occasion, four black males attempted to steal my bicycle — while I was on it. I could cite three more examples that more or less conform to the same apprehensions once expressed by a younger Jesse Jackson. Regrettably, I expect that my son already has his own warnings prepared to pass on to his own future children.
Holder, of course, knows that there are two narratives about race in America, and increasingly they have nothing to do with each other. In one, African-Americans understandably cite racism and its baleful legacy to explain vast present-day disparities in income, education, and rates of criminality. Others often counter by instead emphasizing the wages of an inner-city culture of single-parent families and government dependence, and the glorification of violence in the popular media.
In the old days of the Great Society, we once dreamed of splitting the difference — the government would invest more in the inner city, while black leadership in turn would emphasize more self-help and self-critique.
Not now. Both sides have almost given up on persuading the other. Eric Holder’s speech to the NAACP might as well have been given on Mars. It will convince zero Americans that stereotyping of young African-American males and Stand Your Ground laws are the two key racial problems facing America.
Again, Holder may offer his 15-year-old son the same warning that his father gave him about the dangers of racist, stereotyping police. Yet I suspect — and statistics would again support such supposition — that Holder privately is more worried that his son is in greater danger of being attacked by other black youths than by either the police or a nation of white-Hispanic George Zimmermans on the loose.
Besides, two developments over recent decades have made Holder’s reactionary argument about black/white relations mostly irrelevant. First, America is now a multiracial nation. The divide is not white versus black. And as the Zimmerman trial reminds us, it is no longer a nation where most of the authority figures are white males. We saw a female judge, a female jury, and an Hispanic in confrontation with an African-American; today those of various racial pedigrees and different genders interact in ways that transcend the supposed culpability of white males.
Second, the attitude of the so-called white community toward racial challenges is not so much political as class driven. White liberals have largely won the argument that massive government expenditure must be infused into the black community. Yet they have probably lost the argument that such vast government investments have done much to alleviate the plight of urban black youth.
Stranger still, there is no evidence in our increasingly self-segregated society that white liberals stand out as integrationists. The latter increasingly have the capital to school their children far from the inner city, to live largely apart from inner-city blacks, and in general to avoid the black underclass in the concrete as much as they profess liberal nostrums for it in the abstract.
No one seems to care that the children of our liberal elite, black and white, go to places like Sidwell Friends rather than to Washington public schools, where the consequences of 50 years of liberal social policy are all too real. If Chris Matthews wishes to apologize collectively for whites, then he should have long ago moved to an integrated neighborhood, put his children in integrated schools, and walked to work through a black neighborhood to get to know local residents. Anything else, and his apology remains what it is: cheap psychological recompense for his own elite apartheid.
Just as Eric Holder preferred anecdote to statistics, so too I end with an unscientific vignette of my own. Last week I was driving in northern California with the attorney general’s speech playing on the car radio. North of San Francisco I stopped to buy coffee and two local newspapers.
VDH article continued from above:
In one, there was a gruesome story of a young African-American male charged with ransacking a San Francisco jewelry store and murdering two employees, Khin Min, 35, of San Francisco, and Lina Lim, 51, of Daly City. The owner of the shop, Vic Hung, fought back and survived, despite receiving gunshot and stab wounds in the attack.
The suspected attacker had a prior record of violent assault. The victims were all of Asian ancestry. I don’t think their families would agree with Eric Holder that self-defense laws were the cause of such interracial violence. Nor would the six policemen who were fired upon by the suspect agree that stereotyping prompted this sort of mayhem.
Barack Obama will never suggest that the suspected killer physically resembles himself some three decades ago — and there would be no point in doing so. Nor will he admit that if Barack Obama owned an urban jewelry store and needed its profits to send his daughters to Sidwell Friends, he too might have become apprehensive when a young black male entered his store.
In the other paper, there was a strangely similar tale. Not far away, in Santa Rosa, at about the same time, two African-American youths in hoodies attacked another jewelry store, also had a shoot-out with the owner, and also failed to evade the police — though in this case none of the employees or customers was injured.
In such cases, too many Americans find there is a sort of tired sameness. The victims were white or Asian. The murder and robbery suspects were young African-American males. The violence was aimed not at acquiring food or clothing, but at stealing luxury goods. The armed small-business owners tried to defend themselves by firing back at their attackers. Had they been unarmed, both would have probably perished. In one case, the police were fired upon. The suspects had prior arrests.
And on and on and on across America each day, this same tragedy is played out of a small percentage of Americans committing violent crimes at rates far exceeding their proportion of the general population.
The world will long remember Trayvon Martin, but few people — and certainly not Barack Obama or Eric Holder, who have a bad habit, in an increasingly multiracial country, of claiming solidarity on the basis of race — will care that Khin Min and Lina Lim were torn to pieces by bullets and a knife.
And so the tragedy continues.
http://victorhanson.com/wordpress/?p=6245
NRO contributor Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution.
Trapper John
07-28-2013, 09:15
Richard and TonyZ - thanks for the point-counterpoint posts here. Very good and illustrates the issue very well IMO.
I am outraged that Obama, Holder, Jackson, Sharpton, et al. and their syocphants like Mathews are pandering to the emotional lowest common denominator. I understand why and I see the strategy in their tactics. The problem is that there is no organized counter at the moment. This is the Curley Effect plain and simple and has been in play for nearly 40 years now.
I still say it's time for a COIN :lifter I seem to recall that a very dedicated minority were able to bring about the formation of the greatest nation in history against similar odds with little or no resources - all through the power of an idea. An idea that rings true in the heart of people everywhere.
I know that can be done again. De Oppresso Liber!
Peregrino
07-28-2013, 10:01
I had to look up Toure'; never heard of him before. Given his politics and medium of expression that's not surprising. Interesting how one's "race" dictates outlook but whites are the only racists. Interesting how reverse discrimination has been a fact of life since at least the 70's but blacks are still the victims and the rest of us need to be chastised for our prejudice and insensitivity. Interesting how black on black and black on white violence is the norm but the president has to inject himself into the debate when the black thug gets killed by the "white latino" (nice of the MSM to create a new category of oppressor to keep the manufactured racism front and center) victim in the act of committing aggravated assault. Toure' is beating a broken drum. He is just another cheerleader for the most divisive, least positive or productive "president" in generations. His lame-duck, socialist idol is dragging this country down in flames, trying to distract the people with his manufactured issues while labeling the real problems as "phony" and Toure' is lauding his emperor's choice of tailors.
Mr. Hanson's article (thanks tonyz) has a lot more reality and a lot less aggrieved racist than Mr. Toure's.
I had to look up Toure'; never heard of him before. Given his politics and medium of expression that's not surprising. Interesting how one's "race" dictates outlook but whites are the only racists. Interesting how reverse discrimination has been a fact of life since at least the 70's but blacks are still the victims and the rest of us need to be chastised for our prejudice and insensitivity. Interesting how black on black and black on white violence is the norm but the president has to inject himself into the debate when the black thug gets killed by the "white latino" (nice of the MSM to create a new category of oppressor to keep the manufactured racism front and center) victim in the act of committing aggravated assault. Toure' is beating a broken drum. He is just another cheerleader for the most divisive, least positive or productive "president" in generations. His lame-duck, socialist idol is dragging this country down in flames, trying to distract the people with his manufactured issues while labeling the real problems as "phony" and Toure' is lauding his emperor's choice of tailors.
Mr. Hanson's article (thanks tonyz) has a lot more reality and a lot less aggrieved racist than Mr. Toure's.
Fuck Toure and his campaign of racial division...
You don't recall Toure's nugget from August of last year during the campaign?
On Thursday’s edition of MSNBC’s The Cycle the group discussed Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney‘s assertion that President Obama should “take [his] campaign of division and anger and hate back to Chicago.” Co-host Touré saw what he believes to be explicit racial connotations beneath what Romney was saying, calling it the “niggerization” of the campaign.
“That really bothered me,” he said. “You notice he said anger twice. He’s really trying to use racial coding and access some really deep stereotypes about the angry black man. This is part of the playbook against Obama, the ‘otherization,’ he’s not like us.”
“I know it’s a heavy thing, I don’t say it lightly, but this is ‘niggerization,’” Touré said to the apparent shock of his co-panelists. “You are not one of us, you are like the scary black man who we’ve been trained to fear.”
Naturally this led to a battle between Touré and conservative co-host S.E. Cupp. She took particular issue with the fact that Touré admitted that VP Joe Biden‘s “chains” comments were divisive, but is now calling Romney a “racist” for saying the Obama campaign is “angry.”
“Do you see how dishonest that is?” she asked.
- RELATED: Biden’s Staff Tried To Influence Reporting On His Virginia Trip, According To Report
Touré denied calling anyone a racist, which prompted Cupp to say, “Certainly you were implying that Mitt Romney and the base will respond to this dog-whistle, racially-charged coding, and hate Obama, the angry black man?”
“Absolutely,” he replied.
“That’s so irresponsible,” Cupp answered back.
“This is not a revolutionary comment,” Touré later said. “This is a constituency all-white party that rejects the black vote.”
“You have two white guys in Joe Biden and Mitt Romney,” Cupp clarified. “Joe Biden made the overtly racial comment and has a history of making bigoted remarks. Mitt Romney was responding to the comment. Yet he is the one responsible for the whole Republican history of racism in politics?”
“That’s not what Touré is saying,” co-host Krystal Ball interjected. “You’re twisting his words.”
“No, he can speak for himself,” Cupp shot back.
“He’s using the playbook Republicans have been using for decades now,” Touré concluded.
Fuck that race baiting hypocrite...the only reason that MSNBC puts him on the air is because he is black and he has shown no compunction about spewing divisive drivel out of his pie hole at the drop of a hat, like some autistic child afflicted with Tourette's Syndrome...coincidence that his name is contained in that malady? I think not...
Trapper John
07-28-2013, 18:18
I had to look up Toure'; never heard of him before. Given his politics and medium of expression that's not surprising. Interesting how one's "race" dictates outlook but whites are the only racists. Interesting how reverse discrimination has been a fact of life since at least the 70's but blacks are still the victims and the rest of us need to be chastised for our prejudice and insensitivity. Interesting how black on black and black on white violence is the norm but the president has to inject himself into the debate when the black thug gets killed by the "white latino" (nice of the MSM to create a new category of oppressor to keep the manufactured racism front and center) victim in the act of committing aggravated assault. Toure' is beating a broken drum. He is just another cheerleader for the most divisive, least positive or productive "president" in generations. His lame-duck, socialist idol is dragging this country down in flames, trying to distract the people with his manufactured issues while labeling the real problems as "phony" and Toure' is lauding his emperor's choice of tailors.
Mr. Hanson's article (thanks tonyz) has a lot more reality and a lot less aggrieved racist than Mr. Toure's.
Very well argued and articulated. That should be published Brother. No kidding, really, really well said. :lifter
Team Sergeant
07-29-2013, 11:28
ABC News Misrepresented Zimmerman Juror (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/07/did_george_zimmerman_get_away_with_murder_no_juror _b29_is_being_framed.html)
These people (the media) continue to sink to new lows.
The mass media is taking notes from the Jerry Springer or Howard Stern Show and they pander to the uneducated low IQ crowd to make money.
I can't wait until the left-wing media ignites the flame that starts the "American Spring". Then again the NYT,'s MSNBC, CNN et al are headed down the same path as Detroit....... (Chicago's next....)
Trapper John
07-29-2013, 11:53
.........I can't wait until the left-wing media ignites the flame that starts the "American Spring"........
I sense that smoldering just beneath the surface. Won't take much IMO.
We can get out in front of this with an inspirational/aspirational message. SF is still a beacon on these rocky shoals, it really is and we have more sway than we realize. :lifter
Ret10Echo
07-29-2013, 16:26
I lack the words to express my disdain for the "band-wagon" entitlement crowd.
Just an observation. Note the dates. Follow the links to make your own assessment of the parties involved...the similarities and dissimilarities.
Local teens to AG Holder: We want to live without fear
Sunday - 7/28/2013, 1:21pm ET
UPPER MARLBORO, Md. - George Zimmerman's acquittal in the killing of 17-year- old Florida teen Trayvon Martin made him a free man. But, teens in the D.C. area say there's still justice to be done in the case
"How do I know that if somebody was to shoot me, or one of my friends, that they won't be found not guilty?" said XXXXXXX, reading her letter to the crowd of about 100 people.
WTOP (http://wtop.com/58/3402960/Local-teens-to-AG-Holder-We-want-to-live-without-fear)
I'm sure there are many who would like to live without fear. Statistically, the group they have to fear is painfully obvious. I suggest some honest soul searching within their community and determine what they want their legacy to be.
Mob Of Teens Brutally Attack Man In Heart Of Little Italy
July 26, 2013 6:38 PM
BALTIMORE (WJZ) - A man is brutally attacked by a group of teens in Little Italy. Police say four of the attackers are in custody. Three of them are juveniles
WJZTV CBS (http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2013/07/26/mob-of-teens-brutally-attack-man-in-heart-of-little-italy/)