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UWOA (RIP)
05-22-2013, 11:56
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/22/18418012-man-with-ties-to-boston-bombing-suspect-shot-during-fbi-questioning?lite

Man with ties to Boston bombing suspect shot during FBI questioning

By Richard Esposito, Pete Williams and Matthew DeLuca, NBC News

A man with ties to the Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev was shot and killed after attacking an FBI agent during questioning in Florida, law enforcement officials said on Wednesday.

The man who was shot, Ibragim Todashev, 27, allegedly attacked an agent with a knife. He was not suspected of having played any role in the bombing that killed three people and injured scores more in April, but he did confess to being involved in a brutal Boston-area slaying two years ago, investigators said.

Law enforcement officials said Todashev was being questioned as part of the FBI’s effort to find and talk to anyone who had any contact with Tsarnaev, the older bombing suspect killed in a shootout with police.
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The shooting occurred in the early morning hours on Wednesday, the FBI said in a statement.

“The agent, two Massachusetts State Police troopers, and other law enforcement personnel were interviewing an individual in connection with the Boston Marathon bombing investigation when a violent confrontation was initiated by the individual,” the statement said.

“During the confrontation, the individual was killed and the agent sustained non-life threatening injuries,” according to the statement.

Todashev, they say, had spent some time in the Boston area, where he was a mixed martial arts fighter, and knew Tsarnaev there. Investigators say he confessed to the agent in Florida that he played a role in a triple murder in 2011 in which three men were discovered slain in an apartment in Waltham, Mass.

Brendan Mess, 25; Raphael Teken, 37; and Eric Weissman were found with their throats cut in September of 2011, and their bodies were covered with marijuana. No suspects had been arrested in that case.

A spokesperson for the Middlesex County District Attorney’s office, which is investigating the three deaths, said that the office does not discuss ongoing investigation. Relatives for the three men did not immediately return requests for comment.

Officials say FBI agents were questioning Todashev on Tuesday. He was cooperative at first, they say, but later that night, he attacked the agent with a knife, who shot and killed him. Officials say Todashev became violent as he was about to sign a written statement based on his confession.

The officials say Todashev had some connections with radical Chechen rebels, but they say it's not clear whether he had any role in radicalizing Tsarnaev.

A friend of Todashev told NBC News affiliate WESH that he was being questioned along with the man who was shot due to their connections to the mixed martial arts community in Boston.

“They were talking to us, both of us, right? And they said they need him for a little more, for a couple more hours, and I left, and they told me they’re going to bring him back. They never brought him back,” friend Khusn Taramiv, 27, told WESH.

Todashev was arrested for aggravated battery on May 4, 2013 after getting into a fight over a parking spot with another man at Premium Outlets in Orlando, according to an Orange County Sheriff’s Office arrest affidavit.

Todashev said that he pushed the other man after he “got into his face,” according to the affidavit. The man’s son then “came at him swinging,” Todashev told police. The 5’9”, 160-pound Todashev admitted to police that he was a former mixed martial arts fighter, according to the arrest affidavit.

“This skill puts his fighting ability way above that of a normal person,” the arresting officer wrote in the affidavit.

Todashev was transported to the booking and release center without incident, according to the affidavit. His Miranda warning was read but not invoked, the document says. He was released May 5 on a $3,500 surety bond, according to the Orange County Corrections Department.

The man was born in Russia and had U.S. citizenship, according to the affidavit.

A spokesman for the Orlando Police Department referred all questions regarding the shooting to the FBI.

An FBI incident review team was dispatched from Washington, D.C., and was expected to arrive in Orlando within 24 hours, FBI Special Agent Dave Couvertier said on Wednesday morning.

Team Sergeant
05-22-2013, 12:28
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/22/18418012-man-with-ties-to-boston-bombing-suspect-shot-during-fbi-questioning?lite

Man with ties to Boston bombing suspect shot during FBI questioning

By Richard Esposito, Pete Williams and Matthew DeLuca, NBC News

A man with ties to the Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev was shot and killed after attacking an FBI agent during questioning in Florida, law enforcement officials said on Wednesday.

The man who was shot, Ibragim Todashev, 27, allegedly attacked an agent with a knife. He was not suspected of having played any role in the bombing that killed three people and injured scores more in April, but he did confess to being involved in a brutal Boston-area slaying two years ago, investigators said.

Law enforcement officials said Todashev was being questioned as part of the FBI’s effort to find and talk to anyone who had any contact with Tsarnaev, the older bombing suspect killed in a shootout with police.
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The shooting occurred in the early morning hours on Wednesday, the FBI said in a statement.

“The agent, two Massachusetts State Police troopers, and other law enforcement personnel were interviewing an individual in connection with the Boston Marathon bombing investigation when a violent confrontation was initiated by the individual,” the statement said.

“During the confrontation, the individual was killed and the agent sustained non-life threatening injuries,” according to the statement.

Todashev, they say, had spent some time in the Boston area, where he was a mixed martial arts fighter, and knew Tsarnaev there. Investigators say he confessed to the agent in Florida that he played a role in a triple murder in 2011 in which three men were discovered slain in an apartment in Waltham, Mass.

Brendan Mess, 25; Raphael Teken, 37; and Eric Weissman were found with their throats cut in September of 2011, and their bodies were covered with marijuana. No suspects had been arrested in that case.

A spokesperson for the Middlesex County District Attorney’s office, which is investigating the three deaths, said that the office does not discuss ongoing investigation. Relatives for the three men did not immediately return requests for comment.

Officials say FBI agents were questioning Todashev on Tuesday. He was cooperative at first, they say, but later that night, he attacked the agent with a knife, who shot and killed him. Officials say Todashev became violent as he was about to sign a written statement based on his confession.

The officials say Todashev had some connections with radical Chechen rebels, but they say it's not clear whether he had any role in radicalizing Tsarnaev.

A friend of Todashev told NBC News affiliate WESH that he was being questioned along with the man who was shot due to their connections to the mixed martial arts community in Boston.

“They were talking to us, both of us, right? And they said they need him for a little more, for a couple more hours, and I left, and they told me they’re going to bring him back. They never brought him back,” friend Khusn Taramiv, 27, told WESH.

Todashev was arrested for aggravated battery on May 4, 2013 after getting into a fight over a parking spot with another man at Premium Outlets in Orlando, according to an Orange County Sheriff’s Office arrest affidavit.

Todashev said that he pushed the other man after he “got into his face,” according to the affidavit. The man’s son then “came at him swinging,” Todashev told police. The 5’9”, 160-pound Todashev admitted to police that he was a former mixed martial arts fighter, according to the arrest affidavit.

“This skill puts his fighting ability way above that of a normal person,” the arresting officer wrote in the affidavit.

Todashev was transported to the booking and release center without incident, according to the affidavit. His Miranda warning was read but not invoked, the document says. He was released May 5 on a $3,500 surety bond, according to the Orange County Corrections Department.

The man was born in Russia and had U.S. citizenship, according to the affidavit.

A spokesman for the Orlando Police Department referred all questions regarding the shooting to the FBI.

An FBI incident review team was dispatched from Washington, D.C., and was expected to arrive in Orlando within 24 hours, FBI Special Agent Dave Couvertier said on Wednesday morning.

So what, you're telling me 8-14 LEO's (armed with tazers, pepper spray,batons etc) could not stop a guy with a pocket knife so he was shot?

I just peed my pants laughing........

ddoering
05-22-2013, 14:43
Stabbing your way out of an interview is one method, just not a good one.

Joker
05-22-2013, 15:13
So what, you're telling me 8-14 LEO's (armed with tazers, pepper spray,batons etc) could not stop a guy with a pocket knife so he was shot?

I just peed my pants laughing........

I'm saying good riddance and nice shot. Admitted being involved in a triple murder and friends of the BM bombers, good riddance and nice shot.

UWOA (RIP)
05-22-2013, 17:44
I'm saying good riddance and nice shot. Admitted being involved in a triple murder and friends of the BM bombers, good riddance and nice shot.

Second that ... which brings up the point that for all the right reasons he can't take another stab at it.

The Reaper
05-22-2013, 19:56
I'm saying good riddance and nice shot. Admitted being involved in a triple murder and friends of the BM bombers, good riddance and nice shot.

Concur.

A knife can do a lot of damage up close.

TR

miclo18d
05-22-2013, 20:09
Concur.

A knife can do a lot of damage up close.

TR
Yep just ask that soldier in England that was beheaded. (Cross-thread pts please) :eek::eek::eek:

Utah Bob
05-23-2013, 15:58
So what, you're telling me 8-14 LEO's (armed with tazers, pepper spray,batons etc) could not stop a guy with a pocket knife so he was shot?

I just peed my pants laughing........

Au contraire. They stopped him very effectively.:D

Team Sergeant
05-30-2013, 09:21
So 10 Law enforcement personnel have the guy surrounded and the FBI killed the UNARMED individual, can you say "Gross Incompetence" and the FBI are making what $100k a year? It's time to disarm the accountants with guns.




Man who knew Boston bombing suspect was reportedly unarmed when shot
Published May 30, 2013
FoxNews.com

A Chechen man who was fatally shot by an FBI agent last week during questioning about one of the Boston bombing suspects was reportedly unarmed.

One law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity told the Washington Post on Wednesday that Ibragim Todashev, 27, lunged at an agent and overturned a table prior to being shot. The official said Todashev did not have a gun or a knife, echoing a second law enforcement official with knowledge of the ongoing investigation.

At the time of the May 22 shooting, Todashev was being interviewed about his possible connection to a triple murder in Waltham, Mass., on Sept. 11, 2011. Law enforcement officials said he had acknowledged involvement in the murders and had implicated Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Todashev, a former Boston resident who knew Tsarnaev, was not suspected of involvement in the April 15 Boston bombing.

Todashev’s father, who lives in Chechnya, told the Daily Beast website following the shooting that he didn’t believe the FBI’s account of the incident.

“My son could never commit a crime, I know my son too well,” Abdul-Baki Todashev told the website. “He worked helping disabled people in America and did sports, coached other sportsmen. The FBI made up their accusations.”

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Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/30/muslim-advocacy-group-wants-justice-dept-civil-rights-probe-into-boston-bomber/?test=latestnews#ixzz2Un0eu6Ik

Sacamuelas
05-30-2013, 09:35
I agree.... quick clean justice for a well deserved dit nap. Saved a lot of attorney fees and court costs.

Team Sergeant
05-30-2013, 15:56
I agree.... quick clean justice for a well deserved dit nap. Saved a lot of attorney fees and court costs.

What most don't understand in fighting terrorism many times it's better to take them alive and then get information.

Killing an unarmed individual is beyond stupid. I'm sure the "Special" Agent will soon become head of the FBI.....:munchin

PSM
05-30-2013, 16:28
And then there is this:

Woman with knife fatally shot by deputy at Costco


A Loudoun County sheriff’s deputy shot and killed a woman who came at him with a knife at a busy Costco in Sterling on Wednesday afternoon, authorities said, causing confused and frightened shoppers and employees to duck behind cash registers and rush out of the store.

Two deputies went to the store to check a report of a disorderly person and used a Taser to try to subdue the woman, Loudoun Sheriff Michael Chapman said. But the woman kept advancing, so one of the deputies fired at her and killed her, the sheriff said. The second deputy was wounded, possibly when a bullet ricocheted and hit his leg. He is expected to recover.

Sheriff’s officials identified the woman as Mhai Scott, 38, who lived near Dulles Town Center and worked for Club Demonstration Services, which provides services to Costco.

Link. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/deputy-woman-shot-at-costco-in-loudoun-county/2013/05/29/e5c4656a-c897-11e2-9245-773c0123c027_story.html?tid=pm_pop)

Pat