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Dusty
04-30-2013, 16:49
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/29/business/racial-wealth-gap-widened-during-recession.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

WASHINGTON — Millions of Americans suffered a loss of wealth during the recession and the sluggish recovery that followed. But the last half-decade has proved far worse for black and Hispanic families than for white families, starkly widening the already large gulf in wealth between non-Hispanic white Americans and most minority groups, according to a new study from the Urban Institute.

Nice way of saying "since Obama took office"


The Urban Institute study found that the racial wealth gap yawned during the recession, even as the income gap between white Americans and nonwhite Americans remained stable. As of 2010, white families, on average, earned about $2 for every $1 that black and Hispanic families earned, a ratio that has remained roughly constant for the last 30 years. But when it comes to wealth — as measured by assets, like cash savings, homes and retirement accounts, minus debts, like mortgages and credit card balances — white families have far outpaced black and Hispanic ones. Before the recession, non-Hispanic white families, on average, were about four times as wealthy as nonwhite families, according to the Urban Institute’s analysis of Federal Reserve data. By 2010, whites were about six times as wealthy.

The dollar value of that gap has grown, as well. By the most recent data, the average white family had about $632,000 in wealth, versus $98,000 for black families and $110,000 for Hispanic families.

“The racial wealth gap is deeply rooted in our society,” said Caroline Ratcliffe, one of the authors of the Urban Institute study. “It’s here, it’s not going away, and we need to care about it.”

Many experts consider the wealth gap to be more pernicious than the income gap, as it perpetuates from generation to generation and has a powerful effect on economic security and mobility. Young black people are much less likely than young white people to receive a large sum from their parents or other relatives to pay for college, start a business or make a down payment on a home, for instance. That, in turn, makes their wealth-building prospects shakier as they move into adulthood.

Two major factors helped to widen this wealth gap in recent years. The first is that the housing downturn hit black and Hispanic households harder than it hit white households, in aggregate. Many young Hispanic families, for instance, bought homes as the housing bubble was inflating and reaching its peak, leaving them saddled with heavy debt burdens as house prices plunged in places like suburban Phoenix and inland California.

Black families also were hit disproportionately by the housing collapse, because heading into the recession housing constituted a higher proportion of their wealth than for white families, leaving them more exposed when the market crashed. Higher unemployment rates and lower incomes among blacks left them less able to keep paying their mortgages and more likely to lose their homes, experts said.

Discriminatory lending practices were also a factor. “We know that communities of color, their rate of subprime or predatory loans was twice what it is in the overall population,” said Tom Shapiro, the director of the Institute on Assets and Social Policy at Brandeis University.

Black families also suffered bigger hits to their retirement savings, the Urban Institute found. On aggregate, the value of black families’ retirement accounts shrank 35 percent between 2007 and 2010, while white families’ accounts actually gained 9 percent over the same period. With lower earnings and higher unemployment rates leaving them with a thinner safety net to begin with, black families were more likely to take funds out of the market when it was depressed, leaving them out in the cold as the market recovered.

“That reservoir of what you can dig into for emergencies and contingencies is a lot shallower in communities of color,” Professor Shapiro said. “That pushes black families to sling off assets, like I.R.A.’s or stocks, that you might have had another goal in mind for.”

Something similar may be happening as the housing recovery takes hold. “Some people talk about it in terms of a land grab,” said Professor Hamilton of the New School, as mainly white investors are buying foreclosed homes from disproportionately minority owners. “As the housing market starts to appreciate, some of those minority buyers might not be back.”

All in all, Hispanic families lost 44 percent of their wealth between 2007 and 2010, the Urban Institute estimates, and black families lost 31 percent. White families, by comparison, lost 11 percent of their wealth. The economic turbulence worsened a gap that has persisted for as long as social scientists have measured it, and has its roots in institutional racism, they said, which, for instance, prevented black Americans from benefiting fully from the G.I. Bill back in the 1940s and 1950s.

(That's it! We'll blame it on the GI Bill from 60-70 years ago! It just happened to kick in circa '08)
The Urban Institute study looked at mean wealth figures, where a small number of high-net-worth families skews the averages upward. Median wealth figures — where half of households have more wealth and half less — produces lower numbers, but the trends are the same, the Urban Institute researchers said.

Even if blacks and Hispanics make progress in the years ahead as the economy improves, the persistence of the wealth gap has pushed many public policy scholars to recommend the adoption of more ambitious programs to help reduce worsening inequality.

The Urban Institute suggests reforming government policies that encourage savings but disproportionately benefit the already wealthy and families with high incomes, like the home mortgage interest deduction. Automatic savings vehicles also might help lower-income and lower-wealth families start saving, it said.

Professor Hamilton has proposed “baby bonds,” granting savings accounts to infants, seeded with funds that allocate greater sums to families with less wealth.

(WTF!?)

(Such accounts would be race-blind, Professor Hamilton emphasized.) Accountholders could tap that money as young adults, to pay for college or start a business. “That’s really going to break the link of intergenerational poverty, and the intergenerational wealth gap,” Professor Hamilton argued.

But in the absence of such far-reaching measures, scholars and advocates remain generally pessimistic that the wealth gap will narrow even as members of minority groups increase their share of the American work force.

“The growth in the wealth divide is going to be very hard to close,” said Dedrick Muhammad, the senior director of the economic department at the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, the civil rights organization. “I don’t have a positive feeling about racial wealth inequality resolving itself with the recovery.”

Snip


Socialism is the only answer.

(This is how the government and the media work together to brainwash people into taking from the haves and giving to the have-nots.)

Pete
04-30-2013, 17:12
In about three days I make the last car payment on the last car I owe money on.

That will give me four titles in my home safe.

1912 - don't bug me - I have a little more work to do.

SF18C
04-30-2013, 17:15
So does that mean I am winning?

PRB
04-30-2013, 17:35
The article's author(s) seems to conclude that people of color cannot help themselves....so we should do it for them.
That is simply the Dem party mantra on race and has led to the basic destruction of the black family unit....the real root cause as that influences evertything.
Many recent Hispanic arrivals were economically and educationally chellenged upon their arrival....that takes some generational change to fix IF the focus exists in the right areas. Most emigre cultures experienced the same but worked their way out of it....worked...studied....saved....like some are doing now if the Libs would get out of their way.

Basenshukai
04-30-2013, 17:52
The article's author(s) seems to conclude that people of color cannot help themselves....so we should do it for them.
That is simply the Dem party mantra on race and has led to the basic destruction of the black family unit....the real root cause as that influences evertything.
Many recent Hispanic arrivals were economically and educationally chellenged upon their arrival....that takes some generational change to fix IF the focus exists in the right areas. Most emigre cultures experienced the same but worked their way out of it....worked...studied....saved....like some are doing now if the Libs would get out of their way.

My dad - an orphan by the age of 8 - put it to me this way: "If you fail at your goals, it is because you are weak. It is no one else's fault." BTW, I am Latino.

Dusty
04-30-2013, 17:53
The article's author(s) seems to conclude that people of color cannot help themselves....so we should do it for them.
Many recent Hispanic arrivals were economically and educationally chellenged upon their arrival....that takes some generational change to fix IF the focus exists in the right areas. Most emigre cultures experienced the same but worked their way out of it....worked...studied....saved....like some are doing now if the Libs would get out of their way.

The "Gang of Ate Up" immigration bill puts the aliens on welfare right off the bat.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-viewpoint/042413-653226-immigration-reform-a-ticking-welfare-time-bomb.htm

PSM
04-30-2013, 17:58
The "Gang of Ate Up" immigration bill puts the aliens on welfare right off the bat.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-viewpoint/042413-653226-immigration-reform-a-ticking-welfare-time-bomb.htm

When are we going to get "The Gang of Fed up"? :(

Pat

Peregrino
04-30-2013, 18:47
When are we going to get "The Gang of Fed up"? :(

Pat

Sorry, you missed the boat. I've been a member for years. Every since I realized the govt gimme game was rigged to penalize WASPs who sought to better themselves through individual initiative and personal responsibility. The sad thing is, the "minorities" I've known over the years who adhered to the same principles always seemed to do just fine despite being villified for their success/principles by their own communities.

Roguish Lawyer
04-30-2013, 19:46
My dad - an orphan by the age of 8 - put it to me this way: "If you fail at your goals, it is because you are weak. It is no one else's fault." BTW, I am Latino.

I like your dad.

ddoering
05-01-2013, 09:32
“The growth in the wealth divide is going to be very hard to close,” said Dedrick Muhammad, the senior director of the economic department at the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, the civil rights organization. “I don’t have a positive feeling about racial wealth inequality resolving itself with the recovery.”



They could start by going out and getting a job.:munchin

Trapper John
05-01-2013, 09:44
They could start by going out and getting a job.:munchin

No incentive! :(

ECUPirate09
05-01-2013, 16:04
No incentive! :(

How about no income taxes?

plato
05-01-2013, 17:58
“The growth in the wealth divide is going to be very hard to close,” said Dedrick Muhammad, the senior director of the economic department at the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, the civil rights organization. “I don’t have a positive feeling about racial wealth inequality resolving itself with the recovery.”

They could start by going out and getting a job.:munchin

That's part of the solution, but not the big part.

"While married couples with children enjoy an average income of $80,000, single mothers average only $24,000."

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/the-number-of-children-living-in-single-parent-homes-has-nearly-doubled-in/

I can't find the article from about 2 years ago, but a study of Detroit auto workers over the years where THE wage was the union wage, found about the same "accumulation of wealth" disparity we're talking about now.

The disparity is not a matter of race, it's a matter of crappy choices and poor character.

PSM
05-01-2013, 18:05
For some reason, my brain keeps reading the thread title as "Raquel Welch...." :eek:

Pat

Requiem
05-01-2013, 19:33
As Kayne West's rap lyrics go:

"You know white people get money, don't spend it
Or maybe they get money, buy a business
I rather buy 80 gold chains and go ign'ant"


Cos and Effect

Bill Cosby may be right about African-Americans spending a lot on expensive sneakers—but he's wrong about why.

By Ray Fisman|Posted Friday, Jan. 11, 2008, at 7:44 AM

A few years ago, Bill Cosby set off a firestorm with a speech excoriating his fellow African-Americans for, among other things, buying $500 sneakers instead of educational toys for their children. In a recent book, Come On People, he repeats his argument that black Americans spend too much money on designer clothes and fancy cars, and don't invest sufficiently in their futures.

Many in the black community have been critical of Cosby for blaming poor people rather than poor public policies. Others have defended Cosby's comments as an honest expression of uncomfortable truths. But notably absent from the Cosby affair have been the underlying economic facts. Do blacks actually spend more on consumerist indulgences than whites? And if so, what, exactly, makes black Americans more vulnerable to the allure of these luxury goods?

Economists Kerwin Charles, Erik Hurst, and Nikolai Roussanov have taken up this rather sensitive question in a recent unpublished study, "Conspicuous Consumption and Race." Using data from the Consumer Expenditure Survey for 1986-2002, they find that blacks and Hispanics indeed spend more than whites with comparable incomes on what the authors classify as "visible goods" (clothes, cars, and jewelry). A lot more, in fact—up to an additional 30 percent. The authors provide evidence, however, that this is not because of some inherent weakness on the part of blacks and Hispanics. The disparity, they suggest, is related to the way that all people—black, Hispanic, and white—strive for social status within their respective communities.

Every society has had its equivalent of the $150 Zoom LeBron IV basketball sneaker, and thanks to Thorstein Veblen, we have a pretty good idea why. As the Gilded Age economist famously put it, "conspicuous consumption of valuable goods is a means of reputability to the gentleman of leisure," and "failure to consume a mark of demerit." To consume is to flaunt our financial success; it's how we keep score in life.

Economists refer to items that we purchase in order to reveal our prosperity to others as wealth signals. But why use sneakers, as opposed to phonics toys, as a wealth signal? First off, for a signal to be effective, it needs to be easily observed by the people we're trying to impress. This includes not just those near and dear to us, but also the person we pass on the street, who sees our sneakers but would have a harder time inferring how much we're spending teaching our kids to read. For a wealth signal to be credible, it also needs to be hard to imitate—if everyone in your community can afford $150 sneakers, those Zoom Lebron IVs would lose their signal value.

In general, the poorest people in any group are forced to opt out of the conspicuous consumption arms race—if you can't afford the signal, even by stretching your finances, you can't play the game. I, a humble economics professor, don't try to compete in a wealth-signaling game with the Wall Street traders whom I see on the streets of Manhattan. But this still leaves us with the question of why a black person would spend so much more in trying to signal wealth than a white person. The Cosby explanation—that there is simply a culture of consumption among black Americans—doesn't quite cut it for economists. We prefer to account for differences in behavior by looking to see if there are differing incentives.

Why would otherwise-similar black and white households have different incentives to signal their wealth? Charles, Hurst, and Roussanov argue that it's because blacks and whites are seeking status in different communities. In the racially divided society we live in, whites are trying to impress other whites, and blacks are trying to impress other blacks. But because poor blacks are more likely to live among other poor blacks than poor whites are to live among other poor whites, poor black families are more susceptible to being pulled into a signaling game with their neighbors.

Consider, for example, a black family and a white family each earning $42,500 a year, the median income for a black household during the 1990s. This black family sees that other black families are buying cars, clothes, and other wealth signals that, while stretching this black family's financial resources thin, are technically affordable for a family making $42,500. So, this family decides to buy them, too, in order to keep up with the conspicuous consumers that they compare themselves with.

Now take the white family making $42,500. The average household income among whites in the 1990s was much higher—$66,800. This white family looks around the neighborhood and is more likely to see white families spending on luxuries that are simply beyond their financial reach. The white family making $42,500 is thus too poor to participate in a signaling game with its neighbors, so they don't. As a result, they're spared the cost of competing, just as I am spared the expense of trying to compete with the Wall Street traders I see driving around Manhattan in their Mercedes sedans.

To test their theory, the authors look at how much a white family spends on conspicuous consumption when it is surrounded by white families making a similar amount of money. They find that this white family spends the same portion of its income on visible goods as a black family surrounded by other black families with similar incomes. They also find that the further a family of either race slips behind the average income of nearby households of the same race (becoming too poor to compete in the signaling game), the less it spends on these visible goods.

Once these effects are accounted for, racial disparities in visible consumption disappear. It's not that black Americans are more inclined to signal wealth; rather, poor blacks are more likely than poor whites to be a part of communities where they are relatively rich enough to participate in the signaling game.

If signaling is just part of a deeper human impulse to seek status in our communities, what's wrong with that, anyway? If a household chooses to spend a lot on visible consumption because it gets happiness from achieving high standing among its neighbors, why should we care? To return to Cosby's concerns, if blacks are spending more on shoes and cars and jewelry, they must be spending less on something else. And that something else turns out to be mostly health and education. According to the study, black households spend more than 50 percent less on health care than whites of comparable incomes and 20 percent less on education. Unfortunately, these are exactly the investments that the black families need to make in order to close the black-white income gap.

In his controversial speech, Bill Cosby appealed to the African-American community to start investing in their futures. What's troubling about the message of this study is that Cosby and others may not be battling against a black culture of consumption, but a more deeply seated human pursuit of status. In this sense, Cosby's critics may be right—only when black incomes catch up to white incomes will the apparent black-white gap in spending on visible goods disappear. Source. (http://www.slate.com/articles/business/the_dismal_science/2008/01/cos_and_effect.single.html)

Sdiver
05-01-2013, 21:50
For some reason, my brain keeps reading the thread title as "Raquel Welch...." :eek:

Pat

Whew ... same here. :D
So to that end ...... :cool:

PSM
05-01-2013, 23:58
Whew ... same here. :D

Could be because we are both named Shawn. ;) :D

Cross-thread points?

Patrick Shawn

cat in the hat
05-02-2013, 00:43
Consider, for example, a black family and a white family each earning $42,500 a year, the median income for a black household during the 1990s. This black family sees that other black families are buying cars, clothes, and other wealth signals that, while stretching this black family's financial resources thin, are technically affordable for a family making $42,500. So, this family decides to buy them, too, in order to keep up with the conspicuous consumers that they compare themselves with.

Now take the white family making $42,500. The average household income among whites in the 1990s was much higher—$66,800. This white family looks around the neighborhood and is more likely to see white families spending on luxuries that are simply beyond their financial reach. The white family making $42,500 is thus too poor to participate in a signaling game with its neighbors, so they don't. As a result, they're spared the cost of competing, just as I am spared the expense of trying to compete with the Wall Street traders I see driving around Manhattan in their Mercedes sedans.

The problem today is that people everywhere, of all colors creeds and backgrounds are trying to compete with the images they see everywhere.
People complain that they are poor and cannot 'get ahead' or break even or get out of debt. These poor downtrodden souls do not see the self imposed problems of spending every penny every month instead of saving some. They have the coolest and newest phone every few months with all the cool apps but no health insurance. They cannot be bothered to get up ten minutes earlier to make lunch (a healthier option as well as less expensive) so they buy a combo meal at Happy Burger. $3 coffee? no problem.
I would truly enjoy sending every self entitled American who says that they are "poor" to some of the places I have worked. Let them live in a mud hut with a straw roof, an oil lamp for light and wood fire to cook their two daily meals.

Guymullins
05-02-2013, 05:54
Consider, for example, a black family and a white family each earning $42,500 a year, the median income for a black household during the 1990s. This black family sees that other black families are buying cars, clothes, and other wealth signals that, while stretching this black family's financial resources thin, are technically affordable for a family making $42,500. So, this family decides to buy them, too, in order to keep up with the conspicuous consumers that they compare themselves with.

Now take the white family making $42,500. The average household income among whites in the 1990s was much higher—$66,800. This white family looks around the neighborhood and is more likely to see white families spending on luxuries that are simply beyond their financial reach. The white family making $42,500 is thus too poor to participate in a signaling game with its neighbors, so they don't. As a result, they're spared the cost of competing, just as I am spared the expense of trying to compete with the Wall Street traders I see driving around Manhattan in their Mercedes sedans.

The problem today is that people everywhere, of all colors creeds and backgrounds are trying to compete with the images they see everywhere.
People complain that they are poor and cannot 'get ahead' or break even or get out of debt. These poor downtrodden souls do not see the self imposed problems of spending every penny every month instead of saving some. They have the coolest and newest phone every few months with all the cool apps but no health insurance. They cannot be bothered to get up ten minutes earlier to make lunch (a healthier option as well as less expensive) so they buy a combo meal at Happy Burger. $3 coffee? no problem.
I would truly enjoy sending every self entitled American who says that they are "poor" to some of the places I have worked. Let them live in a mud hut with a straw roof, an oil lamp for light and wood fire to cook their two daily meals.
We have tons of space and clement weather. Come to Africa and self-determination, without racist white policies will ensure a wonderful standard of living. Just as it did in Liberia when the first great homecoming occurred.

Dusty
05-02-2013, 05:56
We have tons of space and clement weather. Come to Africa and self-determination, without racist white policies will ensure a wonderful standard of living. Just as it did in Liberia when the first great homecoming occurred.

Do you work for ICRC? ;)

Guymullins
05-02-2013, 10:14
Do you work for ICRC? ;)

Dream Destinations Travel actually.